The Rock's first WWE title win | Survivor Series 1998 | Bryan & Vinny Show

[@centurionMAC]

The "something happened and Vince held up the title" was the famous Zamboni attack. Austin interrupted the ceremony and neither Kane nor Undertaker helped him, so he flipped them both off. That led to them breaking Vince's leg and the famous Austin in the hospital scene

[@50_shadesof_green88]

The Attitude Era might have been overbooked and often the match quality wasn’t always great but man it was entertaining

[@Thenoble1j]

You’re using hindsight! You’re not looking at it from a 1998 perspective when this was SUPER HOT! Overbooked? Sure, but it was over!!! You can’t look at it from a modern view

[@todpolk]

lol these guys ignoring the NUCLEAR heat Shane had with the crowd after his betrayal. Overbooked? Sure but IT WORKED.

[@Oheao]

When they're saying that someone forgot something in the Mankind - Austin match, what happened is Boss Man was supposed to come and screw Austin but there was a miscue and he didn't show up in the match so they had to improvise a new finish.

[@FamooWahVe]

People Forget that the Attitude Era overbooked like a mf 😂

[@MTLoveridge]

The Russo effect

[@MrRyanlennie2005]

This was Russo and Ferrara’s finest hour. A truly epic turn.

[@rentoptional1524]

I remember when Vince "fired" Steve Austin, people legitimately called the WWF corporate offices to complain lol.

[@rentoptional1524]

I remember watching this live and loving it. Good angle at the time.

[@Schadenfreude47]

Have to disagree with them here, the wrestling on the show sucked tremendously but it was very well booked. In a rare event for Russo, the storyline made complete sense, and it is to date the only planned Montreal screwjob to ever be good.

[@omegaman6494]

Agree, the storyline on the show was well done

[@IRApaddymccourt]

Agreed better than any AEW PPV

[@omegaman6494]

@@IRApaddymccourt I 'm an AEW fan and this show was much better than World's End!

[@danielruski5694]

@@IRApaddymccourt Laughable comment.

[@andrewcameron1556]

​@@IRApaddymccourt🇬🇧

[@stevemccullagh36]

Russo lived off this and the Over the Edge 98 "restart the match and change the rules on the fly" deal for pretty much the rest of his career.

[@brycemcneil4404]

Very true. What made the Rock's heel turn work so well was that he'd never really formally turned face to begin with. So when they pulled the turn off, it simultaneously had the "shock" value but then immediately also made sense in the moment ('oh wait.....of course, why *wouldn't* Rock be a heel working for the McMahons?!?'). Russo never understood that what made it work was that second part.

[@RTBiz]

You guys were riding some serious sack here, this ppv was AWESOME in the moment in 98, kinda unfair to look at it with 25+years of hindsight and holding it to today's standard

[@quentinkaasa47]

What standard? Pro wrestling is almost worse than ever now.

[@RTBiz]

@@quentinkaasa47 nah no way, 2009-2020 was WWE's worst period in my opinion, with few highlights in between

[@Simouno]

A long term booking masterpieces that culminated in one of the best swerves ever. The Rock is always been a natural heel so he was the perfect corporate guy since he fit a prototype in terms of look and mainstream appeal that Austin or Mick Foley could never reach

[@rustybuquet4145]

I don't always agree with Bryan but when he said "________" I couldn't help but nod along

[@TMPS93]

Might be an unpopular opinion but i like that they did all the nonsense to Stone Cold. Someone of that status being pinned after only one interference spot feels wrong. Can't do it to every wrestler obviously it is reasonable that your top guys have a little more in the tank.

[@bigkrutherford]

"All these matches are the same." Just like AEW.

[@matt92550]

Talk about rent free iyh

[@RonJP-pm7jp]

Undertaker and Kane beat up Vince after Vince flipped them off behind their back. That’s the reason Vince held up the belt. I remember it like it just happened.

[@quentinkaasa47]

Yeah, these guys rewatched all of this around 2017 for their Retro RAW reviews, how is this difficult for them to remember? I haven't seen most of those segments in full and I remember exactly how it all played out.

[@423chart]

Alvarez - “what is the job of pro wrestling/a promoter? That is to put something together to lead to something later that is going to draw a lot of money” Also Alvarez - endlessly praises Tony Khan booking. 🤦

[@bfunderb5899]

Come on mark, don’t be stingy

[@realrobrose]

They actually did the thing where Rock catches a nightstick instead of the other guy another time and it looked as good

[@quentinkaasa47]

That was his match with Shamrock earlier that night. Since The Rock was aligned with the Corporation it also made sense that Shamrock would be taking a dive in that match, same with The Rock's match with Boss Man even earlier that night, when Rocky got the pin after a quick roll-up. People really don't realize just how amazingly booked this was.

[@saint0wen]

"It was a heel turn, apparently." Come on how do you not remember this! Shane was on commentary for months and months putting over all the people Vince hated. Vince demoted him to referee for always siding with the babyfaces and how he related to the audience. So yeah, that was a HUGE heel turn because it was completely believable that Shane was going to shaft Vince.

[@ministryofdarkness8179]

I actually enjoyed survivor series 1998 and to me it's the best Survivor Series. 👍

[@jacklee5807]

As an 11 year old, this show was great

[@jonjohnson1978.]

Talking absolute drivel, in 98 the finish was great. Its only percieved as horrible due to the montreal screwjob fatigue.

[@soup8786]

Exactly is was great at the time as it was 1 year later.

[@silveredgrunion7196]

Hey dude, i literally just squeezed out a chicken wing that still had bone in it. I had spinach too so I guess it just helped slide it all down and through. It didn't make a sound or anything it was like toothpaste almost. But then, pop, this chicken wings and bone just shot right out almost entirely intact! I gotta start chewing my food alittle more, rock was super over here as a heel.

[@davidnaumann2931]

Hater marks

[@matttibos2562]

I love an overbooked mess

[@soup8786]

This is one of the best booked ppvs ever. Bryan is aids

[@platinumpagoda3079]

You know you're not supposed to mix alcohol with adderall, right?

[@soup8786]

@@platinumpagoda3079 try telling that to Bryan

[@CedricHandy-uc1lh]

They are way off here. This show was very well done. How do they trash this but say all the aew acrobatics with no storyline is great?

[@timothygalvin3021]

Ah yes. The only thing that Vince Russo booked that anyone ever liked.

[@TheJSexton24]

Austin Zamboni Austin vs. McMahon McMahons interview after the screw job Undertaker vs Kane Nation vs DX Should I go on?

[@timothygalvin3021]

@@TheJSexton24 please don't. It all really was terrible.

[@TheJSexton24]

I guess everything in wrestling is terrible because that was the best time in Wrestling across the board, good luck with the ranking systems though

[@timothygalvin3021]

@TheJSexton24 the best in wwe =/= the best in wrestling

[@TheJSexton24]

@@timothygalvin3021 to you, you’re minuscule you’re not really accounted for and your opinion don’t matter. There is more of us than you and WWE is way better now than anything outside of it ever has been.

[@gregamania1327]

Bryan loves his cookie cutter booking. Everything needs to be very simple and very predictable.

[@matt92550]

That's the whole point numbnuts, less is more. Don't complicate wrestling.

[@mjuzumaki]

This was Vince Russo at "his best". But just because they made a Shit Sundae out of the shit, doesn't stop it from being shit. 😬

[@MrKGHunter]

I think you guys are missing something called Context. This was maybe the first time they played up the screw job thing after Montreal. In the context of the time, it was a great ending. Yes, after that, it has become a lame trope.....God....Alvarez is a real bonehead.

[@PierceTravels]

WWE

[@JoeMastronardo]

Looking back at Austin, especially after returning from the neck injury in 00.... doesn't really hold up over time. Certainly was no Hogan. 96-98 Austin was next level however

[@quentinkaasa47]

Austin was having his best matches and doing some of his best overall work in 2001. It really makes sense why Austin turned heel at WrestleMania X-Seven. A broken down man wrestling on borrowed time, doing whatever it takes to be champion and remain at the top.

[@BradAaronTaylor]

Absolute, complete drivel. Austin was better than Hogan ever was, and nuked every record he ever had. His post-surgery work blows the Hulkster away as well.