The Rogue Army Everyone Avoids

[@tharunjayaratne3342]

this is my save file. again. firstly, hats off to legend for saving this. I tried microing infantry to waste enemy ammo which was working until outriders blew everyone up. Then hugging the walls and ambushing them as they came thru the breach but outriders started lobbing shots even though crossbows could not. then I tried making barricades everywhere(without putting units) and wasting their ammo on them which they ignored. Finally I tried hiding in a relatively closed space so they cannot use much ammo but steam tanks started terror routing everyone. after that I was all out of ideas and sent it to legend. I'm still learning the ropes of legendary difficulty👶. hope everyone enjoys the vid and never encounter them👍

[@probablythedm1669]

Thanks for sending it in, it was a cool scenario! Not often we see Legend use the walls and constructed defenses like this.

[@thecursed01]

even after watching the video, i still coudn't win that battle on normal. i think basically legend is in total war what Neo is in the matrix. ... or a witch.

[@andrewgoehring9108]

I feel like the great cannon and even the mortars could have done more work there, I think I could also beat it, but this is a battle to cheese the AI. It might take a few attempts to make sure the steam takes stay outside like they did in this video. Waste the hellstorm ammo and try to trade with the outriders. I'd have either tried to push the outriders in a corner or sandwich them with melee or let melee units get shot while crossbows shot them. Will admit, I don't understand AI ranged targeting as well as he does.

[@Fire_Summoner]

"We need to play like the AI" You were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the AI not join them.

[@mikethebarbarian7473]

bro took my line

[@Coeurebene1]

The empire when it skips faith and steel day.

[@JB-xl2jc]

Normal Empire: Gunpowder This Empire: GUNPOWDEST

[@rangerriggs5066]

“I do not have 9ft tall galvanized coffin nails”

[@MrYellow893]

Great video. You should do an updated 'Units you should always recruit' and 'units you should never recruit' video for WH3

[@settratheimperishable793]

100%

[@bohemond7426]

You mean everything except for carrion? Legend has stated his opinion multiple times on the viability of different units (he gets asked that like every stream and the answer is almost always the same), the challenge in WH3 is sorely lacking compared to WH2 and at the same time there's no real reason to doomstack anymore thanks to lower supply lines. It's much more important how you use said units, not what said units are. Most of them bring some sort of tactical use, some are better, some are worse, but anything other than carrion can work unless the odds are really stacked against you. Even the 2 meme stacks in his recent HE streams with white lions of chrace and tiranoc chariots worked surprisingly well when paired up together

[@settratheimperishable793]

@@bohemond7426 theres more units than just carrion which underperform and theres units in most newer factions that overperform,the extremes arent there like in wh2,but still those kind of videos would be helpfull because i dont think most people really watch livestreams and would use some tips on which units to prioritize

[@srbPasulj93]

this

[@Scriptures_K]

This please, I'd be very interested in it too.

[@DeadlyNightshadeZ]

I had a totalwarhammer 2 campaign where the college of pyrotechnics had colonized wiped out Malekith and colonized Nagarond. It was quite frightening

[@oscarstaszky1960]

Holy crap I bet the Dawi were holding a massive afterparty after learning about that news lmao

[@steeliuscup4803]

​@@oscarstaszky1960 they would probably hold a grudge for them not getting the win

[@kushjindal2939]

Guns are dangerous hence proved

[@ScamallDorcha]

@@oscarstaszky1960 forget the dawi, Alith Anar likely went partying with the other high elves when they heard the news.

[@47ravenlord]

@@ScamallDorcha You don't know Alith very well, lol. He would tell everyone involved to gtfo of his land and threaten to wipe them out if they didn't leave quickly. The Phoenix king led a massive coalition of ALL remaining good high elves/dragons against Malekith into Nagarythe and directly after the battle, when they were shredded, seeing to their wounded, and trying to breathe for a minute after the most vicious battle ever, Alith showed up, surrounded them with his warriors, and told them to gtfo or he would wipe them out, and that he would take care of finishing Malekith himself, and if they didn't like it, they wouldn't be alive long enough to whine about it, lol. It turned out to be a HUGE mistake and gave Malekith and Morathi time to open a path for Chaos to sweep through Ulthuan and turned Nagarythe into the shadowlands/wastelands it is now....but that is how Alith acted towards the good guys he was on relatively good terms with/had fought with before.

[@olafthemoose9413]

You vs the rogue army she tells you not to worry about.

[@rhystaylor851]

Props to the enemy General for still trying to cap the point while the great cannon was setting up (then getting obliterated)

[@michaelbeasley9401]

Sir, we've defeated an army of 8 steam tanks, 5 hellstorm rockets, and 6 grenadier cavalry using some halberdiers, greatswords, crossbows, a couple handgunners, and a cannon battery, and we lost half the men. Commander: Pathetically Pyrrhic...

[@Mile2357]

I see the thumbnail - oh that’s not a problem, I always recruit a lot of single entity units that have no problem with these types of armies. See that’s it’s a siege battle as empire- oh.

[@eilailmatarjuutilainen672]

I just imagine the sponsorship guy playing the disaster battles on his own and checking out the doomstacks he gets sent in

[@AverageSol]

I thought it would be Vashnaar but this army is also insane

[@Meyna86]

I think Legend did a Vashnaar video a few months ago.

[@MartynWilkinson45]

Vashnaar is a run ender in the early game, but the Pyros are a threat even in the late game. I usually try to gang up on them when they turn up rather than wait for them to attack.

[@danpitzer765]

Vashnaar is bad, but unless you're running a single entity army, College is deadly, and with all the steamtanks, even single entities are threatened. But infantry and cavalry mostly just get shredded. I hate the College SO MUCH.

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

Lol that's the one I came to say. Kinda hard to deal with monster spam at some of the hilariously inopportune moments that guy chooses to show up.

[@mikeoakman6708]

i love how legend trusts us and encourages to spam a replay we find exceptional, a truly mature move(hopefully it works and not backfires)

[@connerair3520]

Its definitely going to backfire let's be real lmao

[@mackenzieobrien7579]

You fighting these guys in marienberg in wh2 was my first video of yours I saw. Also happened to be as a nervously waited for my wedding day. 1.5 years later still enjoying. Thanks legend! 😊

[@JeffCaplan313]

Still enjoying being married, tho? 🤨

[@mackenzieobrien7579]

@@JeffCaplan313 absolutely :)

[@inductivegrunt94]

This has to be the most American Rogue Army I've ever seen and I love it. The Empire's greatest strength, tried and true engineering, incredible intellect, and heaps of gunpowder.

[@keipfar]

Murica!!!

[@Prushinthespirit]

Exclude everything you just mentioned except for "heaps of gunpowder" and you're gonna be right.

[@inductivegrunt94]

@Prushinthespirit The Empire's greatest strength was those three. America's is just heaps of gunpowder like you said.

[@booradley6832]

Not quite, there would have been a vanguard army of gyrobombers that struck first. And all the infantry would have been replaced by more artillery and outriders. It is cute when the little people try to spit at America though.

[@yermom014]

College of Raytheon Ballistics Systems™️

[@daniellison9182]

O boy the gunpowder enjoyers again

[@sweatilaa5325]

No pyro no party!

[@12SickOne34]

*sniiiiiff* "By Sigmar! That's the stuff!"

[@kylepassey7813]

That Handgunner squad near the end is how it feels to use ranged units 90% of the time in this game.

[@kommentier9884]

Great to see that these issues are still in the game after 2 years. Sadly CA is too busy making "premium" DLCs and just can't be bothered to fix them

[@Nadz203]

@@kommentier9884 2 years??? the same issues were present in WH1 8 years ago. "CA don't fix bugs!" It basically their mantra at this point.

[@InahaFrost]

@@Nadz203 Patch 5.1 was supposed to fix this so let's see

[@soldier22881]

loved this battle, most of the map was used, very frantic pockets of troops fighting off the invaders, losing some ground but retaking it in the end. it was intense, cinematic and epic. well played legend living up to your name good sir

[@ComfortingColourlessLight]

I remember fighting a siege against them with the dwarfs, ended up hiding from the hellstorm rockets behind buildings that can't be destroyed (still ended up losing).

[@danielathayde]

In WH2 there was a faction unlock mod that allowed you to play as any faction in the game including rogue armies. The College of Pyrotechnics was definitely one of my many favourites. I hope Juggernaut999 makes it for WH3 but I'm not holding my breath.

[@KGAnims]

That army is what actual player in Empire campaign might employ.

[@CupcakeConjuror]

Normal Warhammer Lore: Steam Tanks are so rare, we built 13 and promptly forgot how to build anymore. Each one we lose is lost for ever. Warhammer Total War Lore: "Sir this crazy fireworks guy built 8 steam tanks... again. Also Nuln wants to know if you want another upgraded steam tank. In addition our 12 engineering acadamies have each produced another 4 steam tanks... each. Also that one crqzy steam tank that got destroyed five times already is back, its crew still intact." Table Top Lore: A: "How many steam tanks do you have?" B: "36. Wbu?" A: "18 But mine are all Choas ones." C: "Ooh nice, my skaven have 14 steam tanks." D: "My orcs and goblins have 9." E: "I... have painted 66, I also have 44 unpainted... and 90 in my pile of shame... I'm about to buy 50 more."

[@Krethak]

Total X-Com, better get in that Full Cover to avoid getting shot at :D

[@DIEGhostfish]

When Warhammer 2 first launched there was a bug where the general of this army would spawn as a *Treeman.* A very *Flamable* Treeman. Seeing it hanging around the bottom of Lustria always gave me a giggle.

[@JustSome462]

Kinda weird to hear Chaos music when fighting a rogue army entirely composed of Empire units

[@adriankoch964]

So the ~one time we shouldn't do the "meatgrinder at last cap point" strategy at a walled settlement is when the enemy brings an army that is good at bombarding and their units can't just pull out a ladder out of their rectums.

[@teosandev6116]

Chaotic bowels are a ladder...a very slippery one if it was chinese or mexican...

[@BlizzardAcolyte]

I love watching when the right race gets their hands on Sartosa: a nice steady economic Port…whose province seems to also be a common spawning point for Rouge Armies and have two sets of Rouge Pirates constantly roaming nearby, unfortunately (fortunately for me though)

[@Samuel034]

Gotta give Legend due credit. I’ve always liked the idea of the total war series but the learning curve and my limited gaming time meant I usually ignored it. Tried TWH2 and got about 20 turns into a Tyrion tutorial run before the AI on normal just flattened me - especially sea battles. Been watching Legends videos for a few months. Got Rome Total War, and just got a heroic victory against Britons using 3 town watch, 3 maimed velites and a war dog against war bands, head hurlers, and druids. Did I cheese it? Sort of? Dogs were perfect for chomping on head hurlers while Town Watch held out agains melee and Velites running out of ammo. Lost about half of my force, but killed a force twice my size and power. I’m not ever going to get to Legends skill, but I’ve been conquering the shit out of Europe and having a blast instead of cursing that my Hastati don’t throw pila fast enough

[@ubert6585]

Hell yeah, my boyfriend got me TWW3 a few months ago, and I've been hooked since! I prefer playing multiplayer with him and some other friends, but still enjoy playing it on my own (even though I don't feel nearly as confident microing a full army 😅)

[@KhursandHassan]

@@ubert6585 women playing these types of game damn your bf is lucky send him good regards he got once in a blue moon girl

[@FearMastaZ]

Refreshing to see a settlement defender play it the way it's intended and still win!

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

To be honest it looks like hot garbage, as in fighting from the walls is all messed up and you're playing tower defence in a game that allows you to simulate entire armies. CA really aren't trying hard enough.

[@FearMastaZ]

​@ivanlagrossemoule that's a fair take. If the AI had any brain this wouldn't be much of a fight, after all. But you can tell this is how they wanted settlement battles to play out - checkpoint to checkpoint. It's just rarely the optimal way to play which is unfortunate

[@Williamxstephens]

That’s an rogue army that even khorne fears

[@TideUltra13-ex3xl]

I love the idea that while the empire fights for its survival, there's a bunch of guys so obsessed with fireworks that they tour the world to find armies to blow up. The leader should be a fire wizard named Tim, the enchanter 😂 That would be the cherry on top.

[@SigmarWarhammer]

I am glad to see more WH3 videos recently. Thank you Legend for the great content!

[@dmitriyk.2890]

Damn, I sometimes miss the Med 2 sieges where you can actually put missle units on the walls that they can effectiely shoot not just troops on the ground but the ones approaching them on the same wall.

[@47ravenlord]

The email problem you mentioned is hilarious. You mean to tell me that people that can't follow basic instructions or notice any details and insist on doing something the wrong way are sending you files of game situations where they.....have done the same exact things? Noooooo....what a coincidence, lol.

[@leshiq4214]

I've had similar situation, but I played high elves. I had some infantry thin and close to the wall, so that grenadiers couldn't just walk through efficiently. Also a lot of them tried to shout through the wall britches, which obviously didn't work.

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I have no idea wby I haven't found your channel until now. These videos are amazing.

[@cp1cupcake]

Reminder that there were only 12 steam tanks made, and only 8 of them are still intact according to lore.

[@leodiusd4858]

And it seems they have them all

[@sweatilaa5325]

And this pyrotechnics enjoyer has all of them

[@booradley6832]

That's easily explained away by the official lore being how the cannon universe chose to run the empire, this is an alternate universe where the actual principle of total war is in effect- all economics, research and industry are in service of the war effort. Because even in a fantasy universe, when the money is put up to do it, humans will fill the contract.

[@Dejawolfs]

@@booradley6832 well, then why are dread saurians capped...

[@levse]

So, under extremely specific condition sieges ARE fun!

[@Timoruz]

Because of the mortar’s high firing arc, I wonder if you could have taken out the artillery with them by hiding them close behind the walls.

[@mackenzieobrien7579]

You fighting these guys in marienberg in wh2 was my first video of yours I saw. Also happened to be as a nervously waited for my wedding day. 1.5 years later still enjoying. Thanks legend! 😊 Oh side note: ive noticed if you manually select tower targets then fire as soon as the battle starts where as the auto target has a delay.

[@moinda7059]

0:33 min and I knew what Legends was about to say, yes I played alot of total war games but with a little bit of logical thinking u pretty much beat every army in the new total war games As always thumb up, good video

[@Law-w2m]

When I see video fighting pyrotech academy , I upvote

[@Mjauarin]

"An excellent and sophisticated youtube video" - me

[@AntiTheory]

I still remember my first encounter with these guys on my first High Elves campaign. Holy shit they stomped me into the mud. I assumed all rogue armies were as strong as they were and just started paying them to leave me alone.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

He saved the battle, but... Watching him try to have those handgunners shoot down at the Steam Tank whilst he had a set of Halberdiers right nearby that could've solved the entire situation MUCH sooner was... Pain. Just pain.

[@doktarr]

I was today years old when I discovered that you can stretch the formation of units you put on the walls.

[@wpsp2010]

ngl ive never seen how the placements work on the warhammer games because they never attack my major settlements, and only starve them out. That and minor settlements dont have their own battles because the small indie dev team of 0.5 people can't be bothered to make them over the course of 3 $70 games

[@theShermanator]

rip your inbox 2:40 lmao

[@N1ckturnal-pk1mv]

Legend is about to get all the bumps.

[@stormrunner4081]

I mean nobody wants to fight them but damm do they give one hell of a fireworks show

[@torontokid2727]

If you're not fighting at least some siege battles as intended you're missing a very fun aspect of the game. I love the changes they made to siege battles with the higher health for everything. Some siege battles are a little boring depending on the faction you're fighting or the settlement it's in but a lot of the time I have a blast with them. I try to auto resolve as many as I can in my vampire counts campaign because it's a damn slog but a lot of factions make them very thematic and fun with ranged/artillery units.

[@wile123456]

First time the capture points and siege mechanics has ever been used in this game where it wasnt a multiplayer battle lmao

[@lemih4449]

Everyone envy to have such army.

[@DigiAth]

I think its second time i watch College of Pyrotechnics fight done by you. Both fights was great! Cannot remember any Force of Nature battles.

[@RikRiorik]

I had myself a fight against them in TWW2. I had done numerous battles in very short order with Belegar and was starting to move towards the Badlands and Karak Eight Peaks. Some Warriors but mostly Rangers. I engaged them around Matorca thinking I’d get some easy kille along the way. Initiated battle and only moved my rangers up to pick off units one by one. It ended up almost being a rout because I hadn’t realized how much hurt those Outriders could churn out nor how durable the Steam Tanks were. Very memorable battle though.

[@jannovy7229]

25:50 For me it is always worth putting guys on the walls. At least 1-2 units on each flank to get the towers smacking. I don't care about losing them because it is usually garrison and usually, they just retreat out of there with 20 entities anyway. I don't understand how you meant that. Tower does 2-8 units worth of damage. If their AI breaks as it usually does, and they just stand in the field, it is on the higher end

[@andrewgoehring9108]

Agreed, trying to hold the walls is pretty dumb but at least cap them until the(normally) melee units get to the wall.

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

I feel like the College of Pyrotechnics might be like based on a in-joke at CA based on armies Empire players will spam. Like when it shows up in the early game you just pray it leaves you alone because it looks like something you would make.

[@Barb0nius]

I had that guy take over an entire section of the map once, he had like 3 stacks of hellstorm rocket batteries and obliterated everything in autoreselive

[@tsveeblemett9068]

Easiest way for the last tank may have been to just use the mortars, since they are not as picky with the line of sight. Tank was stuck anyways, and fiddling around with the infantry/cannons looked like a hassle a lazy guy like me would try to avoid.

[@luxzhoori]

Lmao the College of Pyrotechnics has enlisted all 8 of the steam tanks to destroy Sartosa

[@HonshuHigamori]

This fight actually made WH3 sieges look fun

[@booradley6832]

>stands unit of handgunners on ledge where steam tank kills almost 40 and they wont fire back >Halberdiers come and actually do damage "Lets get them down, even one volley could save some lives" Absolutely golden moment.

[@booradley6832]

fwiw im not being critical of your play, just your singular moment of humanism lol.

[@steveh.7664]

This rouge army scares the crap out of me. I was able to defeat it once by rushing out of my minor settlement as quickly as possible to overwhelm them.

[@TheTickler]

Not sure exactly what you’d do at this point, besides redoing faction unit tier lists. But I’d love some more tierlists.

[@keilanl1784]

Honestly, if random rogue armies were removed from the game, WH3 would be more enjoyable. Spawn scripted, campaign-enabled rogue armies for Books of Nagash, Oxyotl's missions, Wood Elf incursions, Kislev invasions, and the Pieces of Eight/Sea Shanty. Otherwise, take em out. They bring more annoyance and frustration than fun.

[@Arkancide]

Sartosa looks really neat. I haven't seen any of the settlements in 3 since my PC can't run it. Might have to go look up a settlement showcase if such a thing exists.

[@devilsmessanger]

Legend ,when are you gonna stream again ? I have bunch of stupid questions i need to ask you !

[@jiripodivin7139]

It would be nice to get some official lore for these guys. In older days it could be in White Dwarf, Games Workshop did that with 40k Blood Ravens, but those days are probably over.

[@carlosignacio6735]

those guys once attacked me while playing dwarves. The dwarven armor did not help IN THE LEAST

[@ranusmagnus656]

Last time I just drowned it in bones and could auto resolve it for 4 units of skeleton warriors. 😁

[@aeth4190]

I once faced the same army. Except it was more hellstorm rocket batteries instead of horses. I had like only 3 horses, 5 Tanks, and the rest hellstorm rockets

[@benibro4255]

Hey legend! Next time when you shoot from the walls to a close single unit try to spread your shooting units out cause I'm thinking only your front row did that cause of the line of sight

[@emilysmite9356]

I remember that army. The first time I saw it I fought it. Can't remember if I won the first time

[@bazirancovek]

I love Legends email ranting at the start. He is being work aggresive lol

[@LegendofTotalWar]

That was not a rant. I was just reminding people to follow the instructions because it makes managing the disasters easier. Hundreds of disasters are being sent to an email address I don't manage.

[@zigmar2]

Yea, you probably shouldn't have said to bump. Now some people are going to abuse it even if the battle isn't interesting.

[@dresnovagniou7706]

Legend, what's your take on CosmicConqueror's Medieval 2 World Record using the Diplo exploit?

[@jessetessier5524]

I'd love to see a campaign roleplaying as the college

[@syrusalder7795]

I just love that the college of pyrotechnics is a nod towards how some TW players are just obsessed with excessive amounts of firepower.

[@jamesmayes4351]

Hey Legend did you see the video on how to steal non legendary lords through the alliance mechanic? Tried it out and it works brilliantly.

[@Garret007]

Question for everyone: is it still possible to see how much range a tower has? Since it shows the "stalk spotting" range instead now.

[@PerennialSash]

Sometimes rogue armies are pushovers, but sometimes they are hilarious!

[@michaelbjrklund9304]

Another instance o the swish/swashing of the mouse is at 1401 here... I wonder why..?

[@redelephantsdotnl]

I *always* play these battles as they're intended. I play this for my amusement, not because I must win-by-cheese. I only cheese it if I *need* a win for my amusement.

[@michaelbjrklund9304]

Why do you want to wait at the final VP? You do not usually need to nter the besieged city at all.

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

Why do steam tanks perform so well in melee with such bad stats?

[@katrinapaton5283]

Obviously Im wierd cause I always use the walls. Mind you, now everyone just walks thru the walls like theyre not there I might have to reconsider this approach.

[@dakkenblah1450]

That army is terrifying.

[@martinlysy]

I had already high number of epic and hard battles that were extremely hard to win or when i simply did not manage it, but unfortanely, those are all heavily modded games.

[@trixyjinx6764]

nearing thee end, finishing off that last steam tank, the mortar could've been set to target it even if it's accuracy is dog water..

[@FuelDropforthewin]

Legend manning the walls? Will the wonders never cease?!?

[@jecsquire9508]

Lol, 2 mins old and 26 likes: that's how you know you make amazing content, thanks as always legend :)

[@deni140492deni]

Fucking hell, I hate them. I once pulled a miracle of defending a city (exiles of khorne) with just the garrison (no walls) a lord and 3 units. All that was left was 3 teared to pieces warriors of khorne units and 1 unit of war hounds that ate all of the grenade launchers. Took all the 60 minutes to a draw, the entire city was with tier 4 towers and barricades. All that was left was 1 single tank that I kept going between the last two capture points by constantly recapturing it with the hounds. There was so much cheese and bug abuse on that battle that even legend would be proud.

[@iain-duncan]

This army has destroyed many a lazily moved army of mine through the channel outside of barak varr

[@monkeydust100]

Where ever I fight in a city defence the towers I build don't seem to shoot?

[@kieranmahoney7027]

Crazy how wh3 siege battles are what I expected/wanted when buying WH1. Might consider getting wh3 after this

[@MalleBable]

Rip your inbox after this intro

[@VenatorStellorum]

I have tried to do the click and drag units out on walls thing but haven't gotten it to work in Warhammer 3, is it shift click and drag or control click and drag or am I completely wrong?

[@LunetoHa]

A real siege? GLORIOUS!!

[@ComicalConqueror]

I really Sartosa wasnt hit as hard with the vampire theming and was more of a pirate town.

[@aaron9777]

I sent an ogre battle a while back that I tried like 10 times but eventually got it so no need for video. However I would’ve like to have seen him do it

[@crassiewassie8354]

Wish you could tell a unit to just not move especially artillery and ranged units. So frustrating to see your cannons making their great journey down to the steam tanks to fist fight with them