The Role of the Modern Shotgunner w/

[@trench_grenade]

Is there a place for the Shotgunner in modern combat? Post your comments down here and be chill with each other. Cheers!

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

A situational weapon like a shotgun dominates certain situations. I don't think it should be the gun you take on property patrol, but the dude protecting a static enclosed position will fuck up anyone in a hallway Or a trench. It's the modern "Battle of Thermoplae" solution. If they make it close, they won't go home. Just IMO

[@jupiterjunk]

Any place where expected engagement distances are =/< 100 yards. Trenches... check Breaching... check CQB... check Triple canopy jungles... check Ship boarding... check

[@briankudalis9572]

Just for breaching doors really . Try using your left arm shooting around those left hand corner shots for quicker shots .

[@M81_Shorty]

Based on recent conflicts a shotgun and some birdshot is potentially good for drone control. Edit: they mentioned this in the vid.

[@texasviking1]

Goes without saying 👍🏻

[@stevetalbottofs236]

Shotgun is king in its environment. Keep the beast fed. I think reloading is a vital point of training.

[@kjohnson9967]

1 inch of spread per yard with buck. 25 yards = 25 inches of spread However , when using federals flight control 00 buck it’s the game changer At 25 yards all 32 cal. Pellets will fit on a sheet of paper 8 1/2” X 11” (spread) Fold your paper target in half long ways.(hostage target). Use the federal flight control 00 at 7, 10, 15 yards. It will become your favorite 00. Retired LE Thunder Stick Instructor Loved your videos!

[@shovelhead2155]

Yes

[@michaelblankenship4250]

That's a good point about rifleman not necessarily needing a handgun and a shotgunner definitely needing one with extra mags

[@jtkrpm1]

Trap shooting might be a good skill to have in modern warfare. Drones.

[@conspicuouslyinconspicuous427]

As to the range of a shotgun, my (late) best friend took some classes ran by a former British SF guy that relocated to Texas. Using a smooth bore, non-rifled, non- Vang Comp barrel, the only add on was ghost ring sights, at 100 yards he was making hits in the CVT, and at 200 yards he was still hitting the silhouette- it may have been in the forearm, clipping the shoulder or in the gut, but it was possible with his best patterning slugs. That’s not bad at all. That’s actually really good. The drawback is onboard capacity. The Blackhawk! SAW Pouch is a good pouch for the shotgunner, it holds about 50, and the elastic lid keeps the shells in there while allowing you to jam your hand in there to grab one and top off or do “load one, shoot one”. * Edit- it was a 20” barrel Remington 870, also. Be well.

[@smartfella7914]

buckshot not defeating body armor is ruled out cuz their hands and forearms are infront of their chest because they’re holding their rifle in front of them. getting 00 buck to the hands and forearms is gonna take you out of the fight but won’t kill you

[@Forest_guerilla]

I Miss listening to Risky Chrisky

[@jeremiahking2858]

Chrisky is gone man, I'll be outside. Good luck 😔

[@diablobrian1]

You don't have to penetrate armor to make someone "combat ineffective". All that energy gets transferred into that target wearing armor. Your buddy with a rifle can finish them off as they roll on the ground in pain

[@twiggybones7040]

A 12g slug to the plate and they'd wish they weren't wearing it. It's even better if you got 3" slugs. Internal bleeding, broken ribs, and the fact that all air in the body is now on the ground.

[@stevetalbottofs236]

Rarely armored below the waist. A shattered pelvic girdle is a party ender.

[@CMILL760]

9rnds roughly the same size as a 9mm bullet flying down range with one trigger pull… can’t go wrong with that. 👍🏻

[@PHIllip324]

My dad was a former senior technical advisor for Beretta back in the day, and an avid skeet shooter; he would have LOVED this video, especially Trench Grenade's 1301 (customized by his former coworker, no less).

[@danieldigiuseppe7912]

Im big on the shotgun. Because i live in NY state. U could legally train with a sks or mini 14 and a ny compliant AR. All limited to 10 rounds. So in some states. You dont have many options.

[@kennethrimmer1883]

The general rule is 1 inch per yard of spread. I find most buskshot will do better than that but need to test your shotgun with your load

[@leogolive]

There’s always a place for a shotgun for me. It’s my favorite firearm hands down.

[@jevondismuke5252]

Same

[@damascuscervantes2874]

I have a wild theory, so buckle up. ~$.20 per buckshot shell. 50-60 rounds you can keep on the body. The formula? 2" shells through a mossberg 590s. Buy 2 3/4" primed shell hulls (avoiding the need for reloading tools), cut/sand them down 3/4", put in your powder/wad/buckshot/overshot card, then roll crimp using a $50 roll crimp tool that you can use in a hand drill. The result: carry about 50% more ammo from shorter shells. This ammo is cheap, and easy to make, only requiring components and a fancy drill "bit". This ammo (going off of federal 1 3/4" shells) will have similar results to full size buckshot shotshells. Yes, it requires a little work on your part. Just sounds fun, that's all. Curious to hear your thoughts.

[@gamebred5x]

After my first shotgun course last month..... I've decided to dedicate this year to mainlt shotgun work! Aquired a 590a1 and 1301 and a shit ton of S&B buck!!!!! I've already locked in to 4 shotgun coursed for the beginning of 2025!!!

[@jaganshi5444]

This is also where the pdw shines, shotguns/bolt rifles should be accompanied by a light pdw loadout in situations that may get hairy. When you run out of ammo or if your buddy gets killed chances are you'll ditch the shotgun for the enemy's rifle due to weight vs capabilities, and if your buddy gets wounded it's nice to have a firepower solution for the fireman's carry that carries a few extra atk points than your sidearm

[@luckyomen]

In regards to the plus-up on 12ga, I recommend instructing the logistics guys or whoever is handling ammo to hold onto mre bags or similar and loading shells in them to tape up and mark with shell count. great way to setup an ammo packet with half or full combat load that can be distributed easily and dropped in a dump pouch, sustainment pouch, or pack until needed. When setting up field camp, there should never be too much idle down time (nothing to do? get some sleep with a buddy nearby to keep alert) and this is something that can be squared away in an hour tops.

[@Aztal]

I run a vepr-12, it eats everything I throw at it and magazines are just so much faster to get in than individual shells.

[@vince5494]

I love these videos, these are the kind of conversations I have in my head all the time lol.

[@politicalsheepdog]

Looks like the shotgun is more of a squad support weapon that could be used to gain fire superiority when used in a fire team or squad.

[@jeffreydommer7147]

A 5.7 pairs well for a shotgunner potentially adding range to your sidearm imo. Chrisky made a point about range with your pistol/ red dot and so why not a longer range flatter tragectory pistol cartridge?

[@GOBRAGH2]

Great collaboration! Definitely team up again for more videos!

[@Arbiter55555]

AWESOME collaboration! Already a big Crisky fan, and it was a real treat to see you two run and gun. Hope for more in the future! Keep up the great content, brother!

[@kylejones9173]

These guys are the fucking Step Larpers , this is a fucking great callab

[@samuelkuntz3393]

I definitely believe they have a place, but as a designated role, not everyone having it or it being a one man show. And I completely agree, rifle a sidearm isn't a must. But as a shotgunner it's essential

[@kevinb871]

Keep up the good work my guys. Great videos

[@wickedzayyy]

Shotgunner specifically for drone defense

[@herknorth8691]

That's a sweet range setup there. It's good to push yourself until you fail by going too fast. When it's go-time, you can slow down to about 85% of your "wheels fall off" speed and still be moving rapidly but not so fast that things fall apart.

[@WinterSaeculum]

Both of y'all bring the goods & inspire. Valuable channels. Cheers

[@huntersrauwolf]

Oddly enough, the doughboys HATED the trench shotgun. Not because of the weapon, but because the then cardboard shells would swell up with moisture in the trenches and jam up the magazine tube. That being said, your points are still very much valid because those shotguns did absolute WORK in thick jungle and heavy city fighting in the Pacific during WWII once they had moved to a brass shotshell. Think Guadalcanal and the Battle for Manila. Cool video guys!

[@sterlingd1984]

Those fully brass shotgun shells look badass ngl, but wayy too fkn heavy vs the options nowadays

[@yourex-wife6522]

I think seeing the trench warfare revival has made my benelli m4 develop a crooked smile 🪖♿♿♿

[@sheepdog1911s]

I've shot deer with a 12 slug 80 yards or so and heard it slap into it, Massive 🕳 on the exit hear people shooting 100+ yards with the Hornady rounds. So good all around gun!

[@scaleworksRC]

As a Floridian living with no ac in my car or house currently, I can verify the sun bakes your brain. Good job guys!

[@BlueJayWaters]

What you guys are saying at the end about leaving your base with just a shotgun is exactly why my next purchase will be a rifle. I am competent with my R870. I'm set to hunker down, but if I need to evac, say link back up with my old Navy command which is about a 3 day ruck from where I live, absolutely fuck no do I want to make that trip with a shotgun only. Unfortunately I live in IL, so my rifle choices are limited (indefinitely). If I have to keep a shotgun as a primarily while living here (and God I hope the end doesn't happen while I am still in IL) then I might build a PDW, just so I have something more substantial than a handgun

[@matthewn4896]

Fun fact: C&Rsenal tested the shooting a grenade out of the sky idea in their episode on the Remington Model 10 trench shotgun, and found thst not only is it extremely difficult to shoot skeet with buckshot, the effect on target isn't so great either.

[@johnbailey520]

Trench fighting...madness!

[@ronaldrobertson2332]

I've got an old mossberg 500 type of shotgun, a Coast to Coast "Master-Mag" model CC660. It had a 30-inch ribbed barrel that I cut down to 20 inches. I've got No. 4 low-recoil buckshot loads on board, plus five more on the butt cuff shell holder. It's just me living on the ground floor with two 27-year-olds (my daughter and her cousin) upstairs, so I guess I'm the lone sheepdog here.

[@GModBMXer]

Honestly just came here to get better at shotguns. Now I feel like im entering a school of life

[@DefensiveConcepts]

If you need to extend range, transition to slugs vs going to the handgun.

[@yepyep1013]

Just like with any platform, it requires practice and becoming really familiar with it. The shotgun in particular requires a bit more time due to the constant manipulation that is required to keep it fed and in the fight. I enjoying shooting all different platforms, but the shotgun I really enjoy because it demands you stay alert as to your round count in the tube and reloading what you shoot. In regards if it has a place in a platoon or squad? I would say it depends. If it’s in a MOUT/CQB environment, sure if there are enough rifleman on hand. If not, rifle all the way.

[@JJJ88899q]

Dope collaboration!

[@wastelandgentleman]

Have you considered the possibilityof using #4 bucks with roughly 24-27 .22 cal pellets is almost entire ar22 mag in a shell as a more of a “brush cartridge”

[@The_PotionSeller]

It seems like that would be a better choice if the person is wearing armor, you have more chances it hit where the armor isnt

[@jaganshi5444]

#4 is awesome

[@voraciousblackstn]

The only problem I can see is that each pellet will impart less energy and loose energy faster the smaller you go.

[@wastelandgentleman]

@@voraciousblackstn even to a point 22lr is lethal so I consider this to be more of a directional frag Grenade effective range not lethal range

[@jstud999]

00 buck is the standard for a reason

[@rilesmattix5217]

Shotgun with PDW like a flux brace pistol is perfect.

[@johnketchun2816]

3in Turkey shot with a modified choke do wonders on steel core doors and bad guys at distance

[@sheepdog1911s]

I carry both in the woods, including a 1911 and a 22.handgun for more options out there on hand.

[@seraph045]

Another tip I got from 3 gun: load the shotgun on the move. It’s “free time” during a drill or in competition and a great way to keep her fed.

[@sterlingd1984]

Always Be Reloading

[@largeogres2415]

Damn it trench I still don’t see a ten gauge shotty here !! We need some big bore for the teench

[@totalnewb123]

I like all weapons new and old. I don’t know what type of situation I could end up in so I try to get with familiar with all types from a wooden Bo staff to an AK. Don’t limit yourself.

[@thatothersanecustodian8034]

Me initial guess, a super shorty strapped on a backpack gives a lot of versatility on a small team (ex you can still breach, and birdshot will probably kill small drones)

[@dustyrhodes1655]

All Dogmen were harmed during this filming.

[@Chevydude1982]

I carried a shotgun when i was an assaulter. I was the breacher so i carried a shorty 870 or a semi 1100. The shorty i had set up with a mesa tactical ar stock that was a folder and pistol grip kit with their aluminum side saddle , this was high tech in 08. Also a pic rail with a red dot and folding stock and surefire fore end. Had a short barrel but the thought in cqb was if my carbine went down i could transition to that quick and id rather have that over a pistol. It was a little more weight but it was another weapon system i had to carry anyways so adding a few things to it so i could use it for something other than breaching was my thought. Lots of dudes talked shit on it but thats how it goes when everyones an alpha. Shotgun is the king of trench warfare. Side note, in ww2 Germany was getting fucked up so bad by shotguns they tried to say they were war crimes and any soldier they captured with a shotgun would be immediately executed.

[@pampered_gooner]

ww1 germany but yes

[@seabass7601]

Some of the best informative duo videos, add medical videos from REFUGE MEDICAL and you have the trifecta of solid information applicable to the modern-day minute man

[@trench_grenade]

Thanks

[@keenenhendersonvaldepena815]

I'd love to see these guys and bear

[@tedbrown2583]

There is definitely a need for a shot gunner in our AO!!! Thick underbrush though out thousands of acres! 🕷️

[@The_PotionSeller]

Ive heard the average is 1 inch per yard, after the first yard. So the first 3 feet you get zero spread, then past that you get about 1 inch per every 3 feet after. Unless you use something like flight control

[@jeremiahcorbett2944]

Wish I had a range like that. Looks fun. I’m in VT.

[@trench_grenade]

💪

[@samduffy1636]

Excited to see the minuteman in the trees talk to the buckshot bastard

[@AnimalDogtor]

Buckshot bastard is a great alternative KZbin name lol

[@Bolo2028]

This was really good.

[@simpleman_br]

Shotguns on modern combat, are the perfect tool to take down enemy anti pessoal drones! It's time to think about a new operator on the squad, the "anti air man" using a shotgun!

[@subdawg1331]

in a militia type action definitely there is a place for a shotgun maybe two in a over size section

[@jimhovater8755]

My primary SG is a 20ga Stoeger M3020, a Benelli M2 clone. My primary PERIMETER DEFENSE shotgun is a 20ga mag fed RIA VR82 with 10rd mags loaded with #2 buckshot. 5rd mags are loaded with Brenneke slugs.

[@charliepearson156]

This content slaps! Per usual!!!!

[@itsdarkdownhere]

4:43 Hang on a sec, are you telling me that Halo lied when it said shotgun pellets turn into cotton candy at ten yards?

[@Quazo594]

I’m subscribed to both of your guys channels and love the content. It’s more realistic then what’s the highest riser or the best lvpo.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

Great runs guys, good talk! Doggystyle that algorithm!!!

[@AnimalDogtor]

🐕

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

@@AnimalDogtor 🤣🍻

[@lililililililili8667]

u need that gucci langdon m9 to compliment the langdon shotgun

[@eastcoastflooring4624]

Bro if somebody’s getting upset over the things that you guys talk about this probably isn’t the channel for them hell this probably isn’t the community for them I like the discussions and rant like here in someone else’s perspective on things

[@Ovokor]

Cool run would be Big Will films, Chrisky and Trench run the trench at the same time. This is very much depending on how many people are on your team but I am thinking the team should be comprised of: Designated marksman, drone man, Shotgun, Medic, heavy weapon and rest are rifle. Of course drone and marksman can be the same person mix and match roles.

[@tedbrown2583]

AWSOME content guys! 🕷️

[@Longshot762x51]

So much knowlege. Loving it. Full-sponge mode baby.

[@BryceGarling]

I have mentioned the survival rate of handgun shots and 100 percent of the time im told i have no clue what i am talking about. I have seen many videos where an individual fires at an enemy with rifle or handgun only to miss and have several people shooting back. If you are alone or protecting your family you have to have stopping power.

[@GruntProof]

Good talk gents

[@trench_grenade]

Thanks

[@RackTheMilesWelding]

Budget aside, best side arm in my opinion for a shotgunner is the FNH 5.7 with a comp and white light. Change my mind. Perfect balance between caliber and ammo capacity

[@doug4049]

Aim for the crotch if they have armor

[@PHIllip324]

Classic Clint Smith advice

[@ihatetheantichrist2]

Aim for the head or the head.

[@Impasse413]

Stomach, sides (under armpit, lots of blood loss if done correctly)

[@jar_of_nonalcoholic_gin]

If you're not aiming for the pelvic girdle, you're doing it wrong. Lots of fragile bones and big vessles. He's either out of the fight (1L), or out of the fight (1K)

[@Impasse413]

@@jar_of_nonalcoholic_gin Excellent point☝️

[@walkie870]

Shotguns are niche but extremely effective at what they do.

[@seraph045]

Loving the video! Love the honesty in it, you’re not afraid to show misses. I guess you did have a semi auto. It’s heresy but having a red dot on a shotgun makes aiming even more faster and accurate, and is intuitive if you have a dot on your handgun or rifle.

[@Beardedwristlocker]

I really want to see more people testing the gen12

[@canadianpatriot2498]

I feel like a really good use for a shotgunner is as part of a firebase from a close-in ambush. A couple shotgunners blaster 00 buck into the fray could do alot of damage. Also, to the point of carrying a pistol - would using an ultra compact smg/pcc such as an UZI pro, TP9, or even a stocked pistol/pistol in chasis work better? If slung or carried in a way thats readily accessible it would give you a lot more range/firepower

[@keepinitsk8a516]

I feel I need a sidearm because I live in a commi state and rather quick transition in some situations

[@True_Ronin]

Would love to see a performance comparison with an optic on the shooty.

[@docsue6468]

Not sure why the algorithm chose to play me a commercial about a metal saw during a video about shotguns….I’ve seen that movie…….not today ATF.

[@trench_grenade]

lol

[@MrCashewkitty]

Haha

[@il9861]

Funny lol

[@kongking539]

It’s hot out here guys 🥵

[@GModBMXer]

Risky: shotgun sucks Trench: I just think they're neat : )

[@25centsapop]

Hey Trench! Second time subscribing. Don't know why ScrewTube chooses to pull subs Always prefer training and gym over parts and tools

[@trench_grenade]

It happens

[@dx11101]

awesome

[@kylefranco7990]

You should post a video on how your painting your shot guns. Im not really into it but seeing your 1301 & 870 painted actually looks great & interests me in doing it! Thanks for the awesome content brotha!

[@PracticalReformation]

Throw some tape on the trigger, bolt, feed ramp and then spray some Kryon matte on it, its that easy. I used some twigs and branches on mine to get some silhouettes of shapes, can use leaves and grass too and just lift it off.

[@MrTopflight29]

Chucking nades for days!

[@SpicySnafu]

WAR CRIME STICK VIBES INTENSIFY

[@sluggou812beotch]

When you shoot a man with a 12g you also teach him to fly. IMHO that's what kevlar is for.

[@largeogres2415]

We need to mobilize train a shot gunner squad 🎉

[@bigredwolf6]

Imagine the Mozambique drill with a 12ga

[@trench_grenade]

I’ve done it

[@jonc4050]

Rattles your teeth some... hell yeah

[@fragoout2775]

1” per yard.

[@inOZ8434]

What if you want to stick with and master 12G? Can't you run pump and semi? Buch and slugs?

[@jonwilbeck01]

In my opinion, the speed and accuracy of a red dot make this an unfair test. Put a red dot on the 1301 and watch it zoom.

[@16apec]

I run a P2 on my 1301 and you can burn it down with that thing

[@michaelpro2800]

Have you ever TS12!!! Do it!

[@shaolinzendragon4737]

Risky is talking out of the side of his ass. Shotgun All Day... and Train. Train. Train. Use Slugs for distance and Buckshot for close range and have a real good Sidearm... Combat Knife/ Combat Tomahawk.

[@hardspecialist]

100 % agree.

[@shanewhetstone7977]

Hell yeah Risky!

[@mickmacy6161]

Sub'd and Liked. "Slow is smooth. Smooth is Fast." It's been a while, but my son and I did a similar thing at our (former) membership gun club's Cowboy Town. We would shoot about 100 rds each and used Walmart bulk Federal 8 or 9 shot. We both did some shotgun training at another membership gun range from a Police Trainer. Would love to add something like this to our private range. May do something with 'run & gun' w/o out decking and boardwalks. While LARPing at our property about every other weekend, I'll walk the property several times with the shotgun and/or the A2 Stubby.

[@youtubesucks2369]

Lol got here late but the more i drink the more this makes sense