The rules of casting two spells in a round in D&D - Rules Lawyer

[@VivaLaDirtLeagueDnD]

Let's face it, we all know that person, right? Hopefully the DM sees it coming and gently reminds them that the DM can override any rule. If you guys wanna see us play D&D for real, we have a campaign over on this other channel! ^^^

[@vectrom21]

Pin this comment pls

[@Crazmuss]

Isn't overriding rules remove all fun?

[@Kono_D._Oda]

I know, these folks use the term "RAW" so much you'd think they're Gordon Ramsay.

[@TheArmyofHades]

@@Crazmuss Well it depends...if a DM overrides rules so much that you are no longer playing dnd, you propably should tell them to try a different system. If they make a small modification every now and then for the sake of simplicity and immersion it should be ok.

[@Dargoneth]

I'm like that at every card or board game. Cause if we don't follow rules, we are just savages

[@NsaneWhisper]

Most unbelievable part was Rowan remembering rules

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

Yeah it’s quite unbelievable

[@netfriendly9132]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague Okay AlAn! Okay!

[@versuzzero5335]

He only remembers rules if he wants to mess with people. Lol.

[@winteronice]

Wow! Completely missed that!

[@wjzav1971]

@oky Hey, look. I have nothing against your beliefs, but could you please stop spamming that link which has nothing to do with the comment or the video in all the comment sections? Its very rude and annoying.

[@BlackPrinceGame]

The army of identical brothers would stand a better chance if they fought together

[@evanflynn4680]

One aoe spell and they'd be done for, though.

[@logi3622]

Not if all of them died in a single hit

[@KaptainFalkon]

I'm not sure if you're missing the bit but I think the joke is that the guy keeps dying and the player keeps making an identical character to take his place. This is evidenced by the fact that the 3rd brother does not show up until the second brother died. Ergo, the brothers cannot fight together because they did not exist until they were needed. ~KZbin comments lawyer

[@joaodias7152]

@@KaptainFalkon Yep, that's exactly the joke here. Players that just do an exact copy of the same character when it dies.

[@DegustoDelSol]

Which identical brothers? I see none ;)

[@12HitCombo]

The rules lawyer going over all of that rules nitpicking, and then at the end saying "the GM should have fudged the dice numbers" is the real underrated joke.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

It seems that slipped under a lot of people's radar.

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

A man of good taste here I see

[@Xarath6]

I though that was where this was going from the very beginning hah! #DMBlaming

[@DessieDoyle]

*Ahem* Per the DMG, page 235, "Dice Rolling", Third Bullet Point: "Rolling behind a screen lets you fudge the results if you want to." 😉

[@makathebaka8768]

It was him feigning that he thought the dm should. The only reason he rules lawyered so hard is he wants that player gone. Look at the backstories episode for further context.

[@alasdaircook3030]

Seeing Rowan as the rules lawyer after seeing him in NPC D&D is hilariously ironic and I don’t think it’s a coincidence

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

Absolutely not a coincidence :P

[@AxeMan808]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague No such thing as a coincidence to a GM. That's just another Hook.

[@Liesl_Frank]

​@Viva La Dirt League LOL After having sat through 141 episodes of Bodger / Rowan going "And who are you?" "Why are we doing this?" And if by a slip-up in the space time continuum, Rowan actually does remember somer something - it's hand our to Rob "Inspiration please" I am loving the sheer brilliance of Rowan being pedantic about the rules 😂😂😂

[@Tehom1]

Subtle touch: The way Hargrim pauses to think before saying his name, only to invent another minor variation of Fargrim/Targrim.

[@Dzugashvili]

Still 23 more variations available!

[@Tehom1]

@@Dzugashvili Future plot: Qargrim is mistaken for his late brother Cargrim. "I am not Kargrim either!"

[@iMAB1977]

@@Dzugashvili Just 23? Nay... it starts over again at Fhargrim on death 27...

[@Dzugashvili]

@@iMAB1977 yesssss

[@JS-rv3et]

that dwarf lady needs a new hobby

[@wakahisasensei]

Having worked in courts, the judge is the most realistic character, especially when he said “can you skip to the part you have a problem with?”

[@Chraan]

Stop calling the DM judge!

[@Ceece20]

Having never been in a court before, can I ask for that to be written in stone above every court?

[@TheLeebo1962]

@@Chraan some tables call the DM judge or referee.

[@jjeemmiinn9754]

@@Chraan Robert is a player in VLDL. In NPC DND he's the DM

[@CologneShuffleJester]

I like the consistency of him being respawned as another heroic brother.

[@SchlossRitter]

It's the archetype of the player that refuses to play anything but their "most awesome" build.

[@CultOfAlan]

​@@SchlossRitter See I've done the fun thing in mine where all the re-rolls are related but they're all *completely* different. 1st character self-righteous paladin, 2nd character brother monk who is as annoying as scrappy doo, 3rd- warlock sister who thinks her brothers are idiots, 4th character: evil uncle ranger. and so on. It's curse of strahd so I was expecting many, many rerolls. So I wanted to keep it simple, whilst allowing for variation and better reasons for the appearance of new heroes. Been over a year... haven't had to reroll - meaning that the rich and complex back story as to why all of these people from the same family are being dragged into barovia

[@Hjortkayre]

I love the half a second pause as he throws together another almost identical name.

[@nosajimiki5885]

Our rules lawyer was the opposite kind of problem. Our DM once said, "If you have a backup character already written, you can bring him in on the next turn after you die because I don't want people to have to feel left out" So the smartarsed rules lawyer of the group secretly kept a stack of 10 perfectly identical bards in his binder who all shared the backstory of alternate reality versions of the original character brought to our world through a magical anomaly. The rules lawyer realized that a magically trapped floor was only activated by living things so instead of solving the puzzle the old fashioned way, he ran character after character out onto the floor building a bridge of dead bodies for the party to cross on. After the first couple of suicides, the DM realized what the player was doing and almost put a stop to it until another player chimed in something about how maybe all of the versions of himself were from such similar realities that they all decided to try to charge across the floor at the same time when they all collapsed into the same dimension. After a long pause we got an "I'll... allow it..." That house rule got added to our big book of things that are too broken to allow more than once and, the running gag of the group moving forward when faced with a tricky puzzle was "If only we had a pile of dead bards..."

[@TheDcraft]

@@nosajimiki5885 I would have allowed it. Sounds like a cool idea and it's definitely original.

[@AdezeosClips]

Therefore vis-a-vis hencewith notwithstanding the aforementioned henceforth and so be it, Rowan makes a bloody good lawyer

[@Taccou]

With that he makes a pretty good Architect.

[@donaldderrickii5405]

@@Taccou I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who caught that haha

[@guitarweeklyjournal4099]

Needed to turn subs on. Damn there are so many unknown words to me

[@randomdude4505]

As a lawyer, no he wouldn't. We are taught to avoid legalese. The only people who still like using language like that are politicians. Seriously, try reading executive orders or statutes some time.

[@Nexaes]

@oky Yes the D&D parody Video is totally the right place to convert people to Islam...

[@THEDONKAGE]

I REALLY hope the "identical-dwarf" gag keeps going. It's never going to be not funny to me. The person who plays him is a PHENOMINAL actor for that role - his delivery and cadence are spot-on!

[@KostasTsou94]

I think it's the DM, and he plays more roles too if I'm not mistaken. He's amazing in this series, and the one they play DnD on their seperate channel...To be fair though this whole team is fantastic!

[@choosemyname]

@@KostasTsou94No, it's Byron, plays delivery man in Bored series. DM IRL is Rob, plays here the judge.

[@vijayanand6650]

@@KostasTsou94 Byron plays the brother characters. Rob is the DM and the Fighter. Byron appears more in the Bored series.

[@lordraydens]

my identical brother...(struggles to remember name)...

[@joelarnould7329]

Why not shake it up once with the "Hah I didn't actually die and now I've returned" gag. The dwarfs constantly dying is definitely funny and I think It'd be funny to hear about how one survived. That and the more identical brothers you add to the brood the more you gotta feel sorry for their mother 😆

[@raw6668]

The real reason Rowan was arguing, was not to prove he knows the rules like the back of his hand, it was to kill or get that's guy character killed as many times as possible for annoying him.

[@westenev]

Too bad he now has to deal with an army of identical brothers.

[@buddhapoquan5859]

Yes

@@westenev Well killing those identical brothers one after one is his objective actually. So he has been dealing with it for a while...

[@spinylightgaming]

​@ all it takes is "ONE" bad day

[@Roffron]

The funny thing is that Rowan is playing the rules lawyer? "Rage, frenzied, reckless whatever I'm just gonna attack"

[@DaedalusRaistlin]

Don't forget the quizzical "9 plus **stuff** hits?...ok good" because he often forgets his attack bonus.

[@Aon_Duine]

@@DaedalusRaistlin It's been 5 for a long time now!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@meoff7602]

@@Aon_Duine Like that matters. He can't remember even when it's the next of three hits in a row.

[@siege2928]

In all fairness it's perfect for his barbarian lmfao

[@npaladin2000]

This character seems to be less Bodger and more PlayTech manager

[@OckertvdW]

“The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules." - Hector Barbossa, Pirates of the Caribbean

[@daemir2143]

Captain Teague has entered the chat: The code is the law

[@0That_Guy0]

Sri Sumbhajee proclaims this all to be folly! Hang the Code!

[@OckertvdW]

“Me? I’m dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It’s the honest ones you want to watch out for because you can never predict when they’re going to do something incredibly… stupid.”

[@iamhub2736]

Parley?

[@Dr_Nick_]

Uhh, Joshamee Gibbs?

[@Nazo-kage]

When that character eventually dies and then his twin brother dies, then his younger brother dies, then his oldest brother dies….. and his second oldest brother shows up. Other players: “How do you have so many siblings?” Guy: “Well my dad was a bard…..” Other players: “Ah, ok that explains it.”

[@pbsixgun6]

Excellent reasoning. lol Except they would all be different races most likely.

[@Zanaki113]

Carmons from gears of war be like

[@Med1umentor]

Why are all of them "identical twins" though? I already imagine bbeg who made a factory for producing those "twins" for the sole reason of spying and interfering with PCs. And killing them will not help, because the next would immediately takes his place. Trying to dispose of them with another methods will just make the next one loudly announce how heinous deeds was done to his relative by this party, throwing their reputation into the mud. And the last confrontation would be an army of those.

[@KaptainFalkon]

@@Med1umentor Because the Bard's genetics are clearly superior and overpower those of inferior Non-Bardic descent.

[@therealzahyra]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dess_greenwood1081]

There must be some ancient legend within the ~Argrim’s family that says only a single son may quest whilst seeking vengeance for his fallen brothers.

[@Temp0raryName]

Military rules, in various countries, have been put in place after all the siblings in a family were killed in a single action, to reduce the risks of this. For instance all being onboard the same sinking ship, or being members of a unit which got wiped out (in WW1 a single shell could and did kill entire families serving in the same platoon). So it is not unreasonable that a respected elder might ban members of the family from adventuring together in the same party, for similar reasons. Especially as adventuring is even more high risk than serving in the military!

[@saranpatel1114]

@@Temp0raryName u r so involved man 😂😍

[@ShiningDarknes]

That would be metagaming.

[@GaranNoDou298]

I just imagine Alan as the DM sitting at the end of the table and waiting for Rowan's rant to end.

[@BrBill]

Every DM has been there

[@DavidLee-frost]

And flailing his arm when Rowan push all the blame on him

[@nikogarcia201]

Sometimes I wonder how DM manage to keep their sanity when they deal with that bullshit.

[@adam-bf8li]

I kinda feel bad for Halgrim. Can't imagine how it feels like to have 2 identical twins dead. RIP Falgrim and Talgrim.

[@JoRoq1]

Triplets, not twins, at this point. But I expect they’ll be up to septuplets soon enough.

[@Madboiwastaken]

balgrim is up next

[@blockchaindevelopersunited9720]

Lol

[@JoRoq1]

@@Albtraum_TDDC Now I’m hoping that Rob wrote a script where the DM forces him to make some kind of change to the character sheet, so we get a Schwarzenegger/DeVito style twin.

[@Albtraum_TDDC]

hmm I just remembered in one of the first big RPG campaigns I played, we had a Paladin who died, but was replaced by his brother and the party kept it a secret from the world so we could keep the facade of a prophecy. We were basically playing the plot of the Magician books by Feist. I think it was "A Darkness at Sethanon" I was playing a mage like Pug and he was a knight like Thomas. That was probably the longest campaign we ever had, over a year long, we started level 1 and ended like 12, where we saved the world but party all dead or insane. AD&D 2nd edition was almost new back then in 1995...

[@kaminivah]

"Oh my god they killed Targrim!" "You Bastards!"

[@AndreyKrichevsky]

@yes Wow, this link is so relevant to the video and comment it's unbelievable... (because it's not...)

[@nick_steele9790]

Nice reference haha

[@louisroy4911]

* _argrim

[@isidornimages]

Yeah I'm starting to get the feeling he will be this universe's Kenny.

[@tippyc2]

@@isidornimages I've only seen this one in the series, but i still immediately scrolled down to see who's talking about the who killed Kenny joke.

[@Vermouth_19]

I love the irony of Rowan playing a rules lawyer.

[@TheEGrievous]

KZbin is full of bots these days :/

[@pigpuke]

I can't remember how many game sessions have devolved into exactly this. Especially when Rowan says, "I can't believe he didn't fudge the dice for you!" Classic.

[@TorzyTheJer]

Theses rules are so obscenely specific that you come to realize it's a great way to kill a D&D session from meeting ever again. Speaking from experience.

[@finnthefannibal]

I like how the skeleton has the least expressions but shows the most disbelief

[@blacklight4720]

I wonder if that's Allan.

[@vectrom21]

@@blacklight4720 i was about to type the same thing, lol!

[@DreamWizardMedia]

It's the classic movements of an extra. Throwing your head around, pointing with your open hand, etc. You'll see it All The Time in almost any show or movie. Go watch anything set in a school and watch the background people when there's a scene everyone is looking at the MC. Thankfully, they made it work really well in this. :)

[@AttilaAsztalos]

@Odile Mwaro Living with a disab... sorry, expressively challenged like that you probably end up learning how to compensate for it...

[@GCEXTREMEMN]

@@blacklight4720 either Alan or Adam..those two get mixed up all the time

[@TheCooPeer]

This is so much more entertaining when you watch the VLDL DND videos and Rowan can't remember the simplest spell etc. lmao

[@dragonxswords114]

I had a player like this once. He was a rune knight who became large and was trying to escape. I told him he could end the effect early, but because it wasn't specifically stated that you could do that, he insisted on trying to squeeze through a medium size door and a tiny hallway as a large creature. Wound up not being able to escape the creature they were fighting and wound up dying because of it.

[@evangravell5140]

I love how the zombies who where fighting them just a moment ago just put that aside and join the jury and listen to him and the way at 0:51 one of them scratches his head made me laugh

[@Omega0850]

The amount of admiration and love we all feel for the rigtheous rules lawyers of PnP clearly shows on their faces, when they just sit there in awe, inspired by his just cause, delivered in such a charismatic manner. Excuse me, i´ve gotten something into both of my eyes!

[@SirAlexTheFeedingKnight]

Rowan :Remembers rules Bodger: "Who is that again?"

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

Bodger: Where are we again Bodger: What are we doing again Bodger: How did we get here again Bodger: Why are we here again Bodger: When can I hit something with my axe

[@igorbobryshev2783]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague Bodger: I feel an urge to ruin this goliath mental health

[@MythosMaster1]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague Greg: *Sighs audibly in frustration.*

[@velvetkay]

NPC DnD Rowan: forgets everything about Bodger's abilities five seconds ago DnD Logic Rowan: nitpicks on every word and paragraph in the rule books

[@Aon_Duine]

"9 plus eerrrr whatever"

[@SithLadyLumiya]

To be fair, in NPC DnD Rowan’s character has negative intelligence and plays his character that way, mostly. :)

[@velvetkay]

@@SithLadyLumiya That's right, Bodger isn't the brightest candle on the cake but as a player Rowan doesn't seem to care memorizing his modifiers and...eeerr...stuff xD I think I would have too difficulties to remember all my stats and class and race details when I'm not playing on a regular basis. But that's what I like about NPC DnD, it's not taken too seriously :D

[@Veritas.0]

That's because he hates being reminded about the rules. Either he doesn't enjoy the game and wishes it was more like straight improv without any rules (no shame since he comes from an acting background having never played D&D) or he's too lazy to learn the rules and help the game, his friends, and in this case, the company.

[@velvetkay]

@@Veritas.0 Actually I don't care (read in Rowan xD ) why he does it - it's hilarious and I wouldn't watch comedians, especially the Viva guys, that take the game seriously. That being said, when talking with a friend about it who's an experienced PnP player - he said that forgetting stuff about their characters happens to experienced players and DMs all time

[@jacoberickson2558]

New to D&D: lawyer class! With special abilities like: “conjure courtroom setting” and “know-it-all tomfoolery”

[@WynnCharmer]

I seriously implore everyone to watch this episode with subtitles. the bit where Rowan puts on the wig. it's too good.

[@Ceece20]

Just remember: the best rules lawyers are the ones that aren’t just correct, they are *technically* correct.

[@drafezard7315]

The best kind of correct.

[@jacquelineking5783]

Thr technically game is the best game.

[@12HitCombo]

Well, technically, being only technically correct isn't actually being correct.

[@vieuxdindon135]

@@12HitCombo why care about facts when you're right?

[@Jebu911]

Yeah but there is a rule where DM can override all rules so technically dm is always right. ofcourse doing so a lot makes the game kinda dumb.

[@R4MON]

You know Rowan is in his zone when you want to punch his characters so bad it hurts. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Why? I'd be disappointed with the druid.

[@TurtleDudeProd]

Ughhhh, aghhhhh!!! I wann.. I wanna punch.. I wanna punch you, but I can’t.. cuz you’re a fictional character.. AAUGGHGHHHHHHHH….. 😆😂😂

[@RuralTowner]

That sums up every episode of BORED...except for the brief time he's genuinely nice during those brief periods in that 1 when he gets a concussion.

[@brillopower1492]

This is usually how certain characters end up with an arrow or dagger in their back from an "unforseen" betrayal.

[@Steverogers-s8k]

Bad guys don need to follow rules. That's why D&D rules starting to fail so bad if heroes are trying to do things but cannot happen

[@theladyamalthea]

Can’t wait to see how many identical brothers Targrim has! 😂

[@igorbobryshev2783]

One on each letter of Alphabet.

[@theladyamalthea]

@@igorbobryshev2783 Oh at least! There’s also “Th-“ and “Sh-“ and “Ch-“ prefixes, and he could branch out into other combinations.

[@AxeMan808]

All of them.

[@OnetastyJoe]

They also all are conveniently the right level as the prevously deceased twin brother.

[@TheLeebo1962]

as many as he needs.

[@mattconley2815]

Rowan is best rules lawyer. PLEASE make an ep where you make him distinguish the difference between rage, frenzy, and mindless rage.

[@Ajoh]

Ahhhh rules lawyers. Rob's favourite kinds of people.

[@felagund562]

Ummm actually.......he says that in an ironic sense and I chose to ignore your irony. Soooooo..yeah

[@sneezyfido]

Does Rob carry a bucket of ketchup? In that case, I can imagine!

[@meoff7602]

Rule number one is..... The DM rules.

[@Veritas.0]

@@meoff7602 That's rule zero.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

@@meoff7602 rule zero

[@sisenegellav]

It's so nice to see Phoenix and Britt in the same scene

[@DeadaussieGamer]

Robs first eye roll....No idea where I've seen that before....like a million times

[@andreaandolina7199]

As an Italian I thank you from the bottom of my heart for teaching me the correct pronunciation of shillelagh

[@AlanW]

I submit that a "Bonus Action" is a type of "Action" and therefore allowed.

[@thomashollingshead2861]

"Page 69 of the Viva La Dirt League code of conduct".... They just had to, didn't they?...

[@Pauluzzs]

nice

[@rem8258]

Nice

[@bhaveshladdagiri2675]

never thought rowan would even try to make any reasonable arguments to follow the rules. but I guess rowan would do anything to do what he wants to do😂

[@glorylndeath7384]

He just wanted to make sure Targrim died.

[@Nexaes]

@oky Yes the D&D parody Video is totally the right place to convert people to Islam...

[@Dargoneth]

All just a plan to kill of Targrim, unknowing that yet another identical brother will take his place 😄

[@glorylndeath7384]

@@Dargoneth That's how he has all those titles and accomplishments - "Targrim" isn't a person, it's an army of clones. They are all level one, but overpower all their enemies with infinite numbers. When one Targrim falls, another appears to take its place!

[@andrewclark1645]

I've played games with this guy and yes this is exactly what it looks like.

[@shizuruvita1757]

@oky no one asked, gtfo

[@pbsixgun6]

It's much worse when the rules lawyer is the DM. Been there.

[@It4int0ver]

@oky what bombing shi* is that?

[@houkou1]

I've DMed for that guy before. He'd go on these big rules rants. Then the moment he finished them I'd just chime in with a "I'll allow it" and shut it down. After the 3rd time he learned to just shut his mouth. I know the rules and I enforce them when needed. If I'm not saying something it's because I've chosen to allow it.

[@TheAsmodha]

That's why the DM should intervene and say "But I'll allow it."

[@pdan4]

When you realize this was all because Rowan wanted Targrim to die.

[@TheLeebo1962]

when you realize Rowan wants everyone else to die, so he gets all the loot.

[@coleriedel751]

At my table, as long as 1 is an action and 1 is a bonus action, perfectly fine

[@redt3788]

That's so like Rowan to let his teammates die

[@FaultAndDakranon]

And then complain about it. .. it's rather Manager Rowan.

[@redt3788]

@@FaultAndDakranon that's so true

[@grlmgor]

To be fair Targrim was a bit of a D!ck in the first episode.

[@redt3788]

@@grlmgor so true

[@FaultAndDakranon]

@@grlmgor most of them seem to be in it for their own personal glory?

[@Steverogers-s8k]

Poor talgrim. Its always down with one single blow.

[@Njuregen]

When you lower constitution to minimum and take a low health class.

[@Dargoneth]

The powerful backline mage always dies with one blow

[@Devcon]

(In Stan and Kyle voices) "Oh my God! They killed *argrim!" "You bastards!" (Well, 3 brothers so far, and 23 other letters in the alphabet...)

[@Ruinred]

Only 23 other letters but don't forget you can use sounds like "br" "ch" "sh" at the begining

[@XaadeTheBlade]

@@Ruinred You have a problem with Oolty or something?

[@Tabledar]

I only stand by the spirit of the first rule, not casting two leveled spells as part of the same turn. Mostly to keep Sorcerers from double-fisting chain lightning with quickened spell.

[@dollface9448]

DM:"That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection." Rules Lawyer:"Thank you, your honour" DM:"Overruled"

[@LilacMonarch]

and that is what I call a based DM

[@pathannage5231]

I would watch an entire series of just Rowan being a smug rules lawyer! So good!

[@paigewilllll]

Rowan was probably the most funniest in this video.

[@DrMcFly28]

Objection - "the funniest" is already a superlative, therefore vis-a-vis hencewith notwithstanding the aforementioned henceforth the word "most" is redundant

[@Voller84]

Todal deck

[@BT37GU]

Why do I feel like “Targrim” dying is going to become a bit of a series meme😂😅

[@sneezyfido]

Right up to episode where he wears an orange parka and lives through a streak of natural 20 checks

[@Raida7]

The Many Deaths of Targrim will be a good watch

[@iamhub2736]

Let's see how many "--grim"s they can make

[@Dargoneth]

Umm maybe because of the fact that he DID every D&D video so far?

[@BT37GU]

@@Dargoneth oh bore off you pedant it was obviously rhetorical😅

[@dapperostrich7005]

Omg its the entirety of the D&D subreddit

[@kelvaris1]

This needs to be a whole new series. You need an opposing lawyer too.

[@MokeSumUp]

Although it's role is minor, the zombies presence is by far the highlight of the entire D&D Logic series. You can't change my mind.

[@lionxv]

Rowan as a rules lawyer is such a twist, it would involve him knowing what is actually going on!

[@Jebu911]

he is good at acting a douchebag so obviously it would be him acting the role haha

[@TheFatman2K]

You don't have to know what is going on. You just have to know the rules and pay enough attention to hear when some needs a good rule slap.

[@tranvilap4713]

Rob could just summon "Anti-meta gaming Dragon" and took Bodger the Lawyer to the Dead Forest.

[@ambersather7460]

"WHAT stenographer?!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@garronn]

Funny enough the only "rules lawyering" that Rowan did was the bit at the end with the half orc not being allowed to change her mind on the spell she was going to cast, and the bit with the staff holding.

[@firelordeliteast6750]

No, that’s just normal lawyering. A real rules lawyer lets you start over

[@yurisei6732]

That's not rules lawyering, though, since it's neither a stretching of the rules text nor is it to the advantage of the lawyer.

[@Lordgrayson]

@@yurisei6732 Rules lawyers aren't defined by Stretching the rules it's arguing the rules to get their way instead of how the game is meant to be played, Technically letting go of the staff would end shillelagh when they went to cast Cure Wounds but since they couldn't cast cure wounds they wouldn't have attempted it in the first place, same for not being allowed to cast cure wounds instead of shillelagh since they didn't know how the rules worked but their character should know. And if you have never played with a player who thinks someone changing what they do on their turn after saying they will is against the rules then... I envy you, I've had players get mad when someone redoes their movement when they realize they were gonna get an opportunity attack

[@Flambass]

Rowan being right every step of the way... Must be his identical brother we didn't know about

[@KevinKingofPrussians]

Many of these battles have been fought when I was a child.

[@craigw6557]

Given all of Rob's early issues with Rowan in the other channel and rules, Rob's look was priceless. And then trying to place the death on the DM, outstanding!

[@mrosskne]

what issues?

[@craigw6557]

@mike at the time this episode came out, Rowan could bearly remember how to use rage on his Barbarian on the D&D channel, so him spouting rules was ironic. That that much has changed a year later...

[@colbyhearn822]

Rowan's acting was top notch and the small touches like the green light of the shillelagh glowing on his face were awesome and really helped sell the scene. Love all of your stuff, keep it up!

[@Ziggy_Moonglow]

Tameka did a great job talking over those tusks. And she looks GREAT! Nice job makeup, wardrobe, casting and the whole crew. Thx for these. :-)

[@tyrant-den884]

DM's call, but as her shillelagh has not impacted the world: _I_ would see no issue with taking it back.

[@Ceece20]

Agreed, but the DM was too busy not fudging the dice apparently lol.

[@Kleehv]

Yeah this is how I roll too

[@pattsw]

I was hoping they'd call a retcon

[@caesarmedina8489]

@@pattsw I would have loved to see the tape rewind back to the beginning of her turn, with each argument.

[@orionweiss5418]

Funny thing is also, if you cast the action spell first you can follow with the bonus action spell. Neither need to be a cantrip

[@xliquidflames]

The first few moments if this video, I was thinking, "This makes me want to get the old D&D group together and play a round." And then I modified that with, "Except _that_ guy. He doesn't get to come."

[@Veritas.0]

Yea I much prefer the DMs that make all the rules up as they go and punish the group when they've had a bad day and play favorites by allowing some to break rules and others not. /s

[@afKXzq87lE]

Now I see how Bryan compensate his real life trauma caused by his Playtech colleagues. So much presence

[@Pauluzzs]

Bryon works at Playtech? o0

[@iamhub2736]

Bryan?

[@DownwardOcean]

I love the swell in music at 2:20 as Rules Lawyer gets the win he was looking for. "The prosecution rests, Your Honor." - Rowan, probably

[@EmceeJoseph]

Just gotta sneak this lawyery bit in there: It's opposing "counsel" to the best of my knowledge, not "council". Since a lawyer gives legal counsel to their client.

[@Vermouth_19]

We finally get to see Rob's pet peeve lol

[@graven6102]

We will propably see many brothers and cousins of Talgrim in the future. xD

[@infantilemewling6801]

He makes a very good lawyer, truth be told, very good indeed.

[@hiddentruth1982]

they do such a good job on the makeup and the outfits. truly a pleasure to watch. with that said I have a counter argument for Rowan. the first part of the dnd hand book says that the rules are not set but are more of a guideline so the call would have been left to the dm as to if the half orc could use the spells as first stated.

[@mrosskne]

Right, the players shouldn't be able to actually make meaningful decisions, just change the rules on a whim whenever you feel like it. Why even have players at all?

[@hiddentruth1982]

@@mrosskne That doesn't stop you from making meaningful decisions. It's meant to make you think and come up with your own rules. D&D was intended to be home brew rather than here's a set of rules.

[@simonmayer5495]

The quote isn't quite complete "A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on your turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven't already taken a bonus action this turn. You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action." While i believe they knew u can cast two spells with action surge the shortening of the phrase made it sound like only one leveled spell can be cast in a round.

[@Revazi]

Last Thing I was Expecting was Rowan Explaining Rules to others

[@capp00]

Page 69. Nice. So let it be written, so it is done.

[@LegendTD]

Nice

[@RictusHolloweye]

Unfortunately I was already subscribed, so when I hit the button as per guidelines on page 69 I ended up unsubscribed. Hopefully I'll find a loophole around that.

[@feha92]

wait, rule 69 isn't nice?

[@FBWL-u1r]

Ohno! Targrim is really going to become South Park's "Omg! They killed Kenny" in this series isn't he 😂😂

[@zwojack7285]

I love it

[@distortedsoul27]

He's the new Bob.

[@WelvereinYT]

Technically, that would be Fargrim, Targrim is already a copy... with Hargrim being the next one

[@randyreynolds107]

I was really hoping they'd be going this direction from the first episode. My dreams are coming true!

[@FBWL-u1r]

@@WelvereinYT The brothers Grim 😁

[@The_gaming_gazimon]

houserule suggestion, if you want to cast 2 spells on your turn, that is fine, HOWEVER be aware that by opening this can of worms, the enemies can now do that too

[@yurisei6732]

"Ok but the enemies can do it too" is the single worst way to resolve this sort of issue.

[@someusername9591]

Like the commentor above it, I don’t love that solution because enemies already shouldn’t play by player rules. But also, I think that if you do that then are you also going to house rule buffs for martials? Are monks allowed to use 2 ki points in a turn to do 2 flurry of blows on top of their attack? Can a Paladin spend 2 spell slots on smite for the same attack? Can a Rogue Sneak attack twice per turn? Or at the very least take 2 cunning actions on a turn? Can a Barbarian stack 2 rages on the same combat? And I honestly don’t even know what you could do for the fighter.

[@HunyKyr]

"Therefore, these are the hence-with, notwithstanding the aforementioned, hence forth and so be it" is so beautiful

[@TheBandeleder]

Don't forget vis-a-vis.

[@ruleslawyer4003]

Glad someone is teaching them how to play properly!

[@Albtraum_TDDC]

agreed

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

And its... Rowan?!

[@sherrys2143]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague Not buying it Rowan can barely remember how Rage works!🤣

[@stevenweller9413]

Rob has been trying since the start, LoL.

[@bulsatar1063]

.... And the reason I prefer other, far superior systems, over d&d. The amount of nitpicking ninnies is overwhelming and not fun

[@coreybarber9148]

Who let Rowan the manager get to the table? Was it Alan? It feels like Alan. I bet it was Alan.

[@FaultAndDakranon]

I know! I could almost see his black shirt.

[@Dargoneth]

I think Alan was the skeleton

[@kepp_b]

Fargrim: dead. Targrim: dead. Hargrim: not yet.

[@kukuisland7048]

Should have started alphabetically with Argrim, then Bargrim, and now Cargrim

[@archerclems]

The dying Byron joke is just perfect

[@camwyn256]

The Dungeon Master’s guide states the DM has final say and can override any rules. I believe the Player’s Handbook says this as well. At least it did back in 2nd and 3rd edition

[@Temp0raryName]

True. But he clearly decided that the dwarf needed to die, for his over-acting!

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Not when the DM is... Terrible... It's a bad a omen if an experienced player, who was the former DM, to set things right for the game.

[@amegatron07]

Never played D&D, actually, but doesn't DM have to specify the rules before the game started? Or at least override them only after some precedent.

[@camwyn256]

@@amegatron07 that's entirely up to the discretion of the DM, honestly. Though a good DM will clearly lay out the rules in advance. Players won't put up with bad DM

[@Sdogofdoom]

@@amegatron07 Too many rules and yet not enough to hit literally every situation. For example, trying to leap off a ledge onto your horse waiting below. The handbook can help you find your characters jump distance, but whether you can land on your horse isn't written anywhere. Usually a dm will decide, either its so trivial you get it for free or you have to roll an athletics check based on how difficult it is. Jumping across a chasm that's just a bit beyond your normal jump distance? Roll an acrobatics dc 15.

[@creativedesignation7880]

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Rowan, well, partially. Rules are rules, unless everyone agrees to change them.

[@Raida7]

Yeah, that's why my favourite DM would override rules during gameplay and run through how it should with with the player afterwards so the game didn't grind to a halt, and they got a good turn still. RP more important than paperwork, when it comes to not being familiar with rules.

[@kheldarath]

Totally, but like its one bonus action a round, one free action, one move action, one attack action.. So surely speaking... right... A Bonus action AND an Attack action spell SHOULD be allowed right.... right.... ......RIGHT? :D

[@colby1398]

@@kheldarath for anything other than spells, yeah. The problem with being able to cast 2 spells a turn (ignoring that sorcerers can make any spell a bonus action with quicken), is that full casters are already WAY stronger than the other classes at higher levels. So letting them have even more advantages just isn't fair.

[@Veritas.0]

@@colby1398 Yep, that's the whole point of knowing the rules. So many people are saying just do it how you want! The rules aren't rules just guidelines has never been in a game where the DM keeps making bad calls and one player ends up with the do everything, kill everything, get everything OP character and everyone else at the table gets to watch them be great whilst they can't do anything because all the 'DM calls' made were against them and stole their abilities from them. The rules are there because they were tested to be fair and provide a fun game. If you want 'rule-less' D&D then just join an improv group and enjoy role play without rules... (except even structured improv has rules).

[@jorgewilliam7103]

True, i was on his side until the "you already cast shillellagh" and "shillellagh ends when you drop your weapon" bit. As a DM i'd probably just let the player retcon that they cast shillellagh once they realised they can't do that along with cure wounds.

[@orphen1011]

It’s how Rowan only knows DND rules and the laws of the Street but when it comes to work place rules he makes it up as he goes 😂

[@chriswallace7473]

Well of course. Manager's privilege's, boi.

[@daemiax]

As a DM, in my campaigns, Action Spell + Bonus action Cantrip and Action Cantrip + Bonus action Spell are interchangeable. The rules are there to limit your activity to fit in a 6 seconds timeframe.

[@delroland]

objection!

[@Can-uj5pv]

@@Samueras Aren't cantrips also spells? Regardless, I personally find it dumb that you cannot use a leveled spell after using a bonus action cantrip while you can do the other way around. Seems needlessly limiting.

[@Syagrius91]

@@Can-uj5pv Cantrips and spells in general are often categorized by their casting time. You wouldn't find a healing spell with bonus action for example. So the limitation makes sense, so that not to powerful combos would be possible.

[@Jerzzylo]

@@Syagrius91 healing word? The best healing spell in 5e. :D

[@Jafroboy]

@@Syagrius91 Healing word and mass healing word are bonus action.

[@ruijie1961]

Rowan being insufferable is really good acting. It's not easy portraying a character that you love to hate, but he does it well.

[@zuzu6470]

Oh god, the switching of characters immediately when one is dead is funny asf

[@cohortceaser819]

Showing this to my group what a REAL rules lawyer looks like.

[@Pauluzzs]

If you don't know who is the rules lawyer of your group, then YOU are the rules lawyer.

[@lordwind9745]

My goodness, I’ve never realised this strange interaction from the bonus action cantrips. This would mean that a sorcerer that quickens a cantrip for a bonus action wouldn’t be able to cast a levelled spell, but could quicken the levelled spell and then cast the cantrip.

[@delroland]

exactly correct. most DM's let that one slide but it's a bad habit to get into on the part of the sorcerer player remember the 3 Q's: QUIT QUICKENING QUANTRIPS

[@Ceece20]

@@delroland quickly quicken quality of quilts?

[@jackhammer406]

Rowan:" No, you cant." DM:" I alllow it."

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Ah, proper rules lawyering is a beautiful sight.

[@juiyersh3668]

Pretty sure Gege got inspired from Rowan for Higutuma's domain expension in Jujutsu Kaisen, the court interrupting the battle and all...😂

[@RivalNatty]

These videos never cease to make me laugh 😂

[@muhammadfazlurrahman4929]

In memories of Fagrim and Tagrim, both died by a single hit from normal enemy May they both be remember

[@_Noolan_]

Rowan really shines with this one

[@NevermindThee]

Rules lawyering is one thing, though it is only the tip of the iceberg. Those adversaries of rules lawyering may, given they are of firm mind and warmth of heart, become known and well versed in the art of Rule-Fu. And what a sight it is to behold, seeing an Rule-Fu fighter teaching his fellow players AND the DM in the ways of how to play the fucking game. Majestic creatures, really.

[@LorgarRus]

Rowan don't know rules! Rowan smash things