Could the Phillipine submission for an extended EEZ kill the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea?

Is the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea on the brink of collapse? Is conflict in the South China Sea possible? ‪@dr.ilangokaruppannan‬
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Discover how the Philippines, in responding to its conflicts with China in the Second Thomas Shoal (Ayungin Shoal) has made a tactical error seeking an extended EEZ.
By using the Sabah baseline, it revives a dispute over Sabah claim, a move that will strain bilateral relations with Malaysia. The submission has also introduced new problems in the overlapping claims in the South China Sea dispute. These developments risk creating distrust among the ASEAN claimant states which could cause the negotiations on the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea to break down.
By welcoming discussions with Malaysia and Vietnam over its EEZ submission but not China, the Philippines appears to be betting that this move would push Malaysia and Vietnam into negotiating separate codes of conduct with it. However, this move is very risky as it could erode trust and confidence among the claimant states and could cause the ASEAN claimants to go their own ways and deal with China. If that were to happen it would mean the end of the Code of Conduct and leave South China Sea /West Philliine Sea vulnerable to conflict. Ultimately this would spell disaster for regional peace, security and stability and ASEAN unity.
CHAPTERS
0.00 - Intro
0.16 - What is the Extended Continental Shalef Claim?
0.52 - Background to the Phillipines-China clashes in the Second Thomas Shoal
3.56 - The Implications of the Phillipines' submision
5.19 - What is the Phillipines strategy?
6.44 - Conclusion
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[@louisbaui9887]

Malaysia may never side with the Philippines in asserting its rights over the West Philippine Sea. Even when the Philipines won the 2016 arbitration which actually benefits other claimant states, was there any word of support from Malaysia? It is heavily dependent on china .. Asean is divided and will implode as a political group because its member states stand idle while its other members are bullied by china whose claim has been rendered illegal under Unclos.

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Everyone accepts the ruling of the court of arbitration. Only China objected. Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam did not object.

[@kalamiadventures7210]

​@@dr.ilangokaruppannanDid not object. . But, what they do??? nothing. Playing safe.

[@joelvalenzuela981]

@@louisbaui9887 I agree

[@joelvalenzuela981]

@@dr.ilangokaruppannan Because it benefits them too

[@joelvalenzuela981]

@@louisbaui9887 I agree with you. That is why there is no such thing as ASEAN CENTRALITY. No strong commitment for the group. This group is hollow.

[@donhuang9855]

PH's strategy is the SCS with respect to its claim on the disputed reefs with China is to goad the other SCS claimants entwined with its dispute with China. By invoking the Sabah issue, PH has effectively recanted an earlier political settlement with Malaysia, an obvious tactic to complicate matters on the SCS with China. Perhaps, the PH is doing so on behalf of the USA in order to justify the US naval presence in the PH, and by extension the US involvement in the SCS.

[@asrafnazem4853]

This video has provided good technical and historical backdrop, leading up to the current posturing; understanding this complex manipulation amongst the claimant states are not for the faint of heart; diplomats are born it seems;

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Many thanks for you valued comments and support

[@rockyjohn2919]

We live in a world governed by laws. If we have a problem and cannot agree let us settle it court. Let the court decide it.

[@abnerpioquid9798]

The problem is when a country becomes a superpower, they defy any kind of laws.

[@hopelope1703]

Agree that the world is governed by the law. But in the case of Sabah, does PH abide by the court? There are 2 instances that these issues were raised in court. Firstly, there is a court case recorded in 2001 by ICJ (International Court of Justice, The Hague) about the Philippines' claims on North Borneo. It is a special 37-page report by ICJ that was published in 2001 and is easily accessible from the ICJ official website. It was a trial within a trial in the main court case between Malaysia and Indonesia over the ownership of the islands of Sipadan and Ligitan in Sabah. Philippines which is not a party to the trial requested permission to intervene. To comply with Article 62 of the Statute of the Court, the Philippines stated the objectives for the intervention (Section 7 & 84) namely, to safeguard and preserve the Philippines' historical and legal rights (only found in the 1973 PH Constitution) over North Borneo and to inform the court of the effect or effect of the court outcomes of the trial on its claim to the territories. In that trial, Philippines lawyers explained their case especially the Sulu-Ovenbeck 1878 agreement (primal reference) and related information to the court (Section 44 & 83). The same 15 main court judges were sitting at the bench and Malaysian and Indonesian lawyers too were present. On 23 October 2001, by a 14 to 1 vote, the court rejected the Philippine's request on the ground that there is “no interest of legal nature” (Section 93). (Meaning Sulu/PH claim on Sabah is null and void) Type the statement below and go to the official ICJ website (a 37-page report): INTIZRNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE REPORTS OF JUDGMENTS, ADVISORY OPINIONS AND ORDERS CASE CONCERNING SOVEREIGNTY OVER PULAU LIGITAN AND PULAU SIPADAN APPLICATION BY THE PHILIPPINES FOR PERMISSION TO INTERVENE JUDGMENT OF 23 OCTOBER 2001 Notice the PH objectives in the intervention, its primal reference, and the verdict by the court. Secondly, Sulu lost all its arbitration court cases in Europe in 2023. The news has been published internationally as well as in PH itself. Check the latest in June 2023. These are a few. The Manila Times: Dutch court rules against sultan's heirs AlJazeera: Malaysia hails ‘victory’ in row with Sulu sultan’s Filipino heirs Philippine Star: French court upholds Malaysia’s challenge vs $15-B award to Sulu heirs Reuters: Spain charges arbitrator who awarded $15 billion to sultan's heirs in Malaysia dispute Reuters: Malaysia says Luxembourg court sets aside request to enforce $15 bln arbitration award Bloomberg: Malaysia Wins Court Fight Over Sulu Heirs’ $15 Billion Award

[@loriemadronio2037]

During my elementary scholing my teacher thought us Sabah is a part of philippine island

[@hopelope1703]

Probably because Sabah not mentioned in the 1936 (PH Commonwealth), 1946 and 1987 PH Constitution. Only mentioned once in 1973 PH Constitution indirectly stating its claim based on historical and legal rights. Playing hide and seek. 😂😂😂

[@joelvalenzuela981]

Resolve the issue at the International Tribune for the Law of the Sea, a challenge for a peaceful settlement, to end this issue.

[@migspeculates]

Sabah should be a non-issue. Philippines should not be overextending its diplomatic prowess in reclaiming territories when the country has more pressing concerns elsewhere. I totally agree with you in alienating other ASEAN countries considering the last 8 years or more the country has been riding a pendulum swing with regards to its stance towards the China and the South China Sea

[@aganivloger3132]

Sabah is ours not Malaysia ,study the history 1st before you comment

[@totzinfo]

why Sabah is not a non-issue? Sabah is part of Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu before the Spanish colonized Philippine archipelago. Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu is the original Philippine territories compose of Palawan islands, Tawi-Tawi islands, Sulu islands and Northern Borneo called Sabah, most of the people in Sabah, Borneo speaks Tagalog the national dialect of the Philippines

[@natsumidesu8019]

@@migspeculates Malaysia should surrender and concieve on regards of it’s expection that Sabah is part of Malaysia and the WORLD would admire them.

[@hopelope1703]

@@aganivloger3132 The ownership of Sabah by Sulu can be disputable. Because Brunei Sultanate (original owner) granted North Borneo (Sabah) to BNBC dated 29/12/1877. Much earlier than the 1878 agreement. How can it belong to Sulu if Brunei can give it away? Sulu Sultanate relinquished its territories to the Spanish under the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement on 22/7/1878. Sulu has nothing left. Thus the 1878 Sulu-BNBC Agreement dated 22/1/1878 is null and void. The cession of Sabah from Sulu to PH in 1962 is invalid.

[@hopelope1703]

Sulu/PH needs to resolve 3 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia. Firstly, Sulu needs to show undisputable proof that earlier, the Brunei Sultanate (original owner) gave North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of the 29/12/1877 agreement (consisting of 4 agreements) signed by the Brunei Sultanate that grants the whole of North Borneo to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and are kept at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” has been used, and it has never been challenged or protested by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into a British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946), and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia. Secondly, let's assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. The Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and the Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and the US relinquished North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol of 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. In the end, Sulu has nothing. Thirdly, PH claims North Borneo (Sabah) is null and void. For any colonized colony that seeks independence, the territory (sovereignty) is based on what has been given by their colonizer. In this regard, the principle of uti posseditis juris is applicable, acceptable, and recognized internationally. PH got their independence from the US in 1946 and under this principle, there is NO North Borneo. Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay. The UN has recognized Sabah in Malaysia since 1963.

[@edwardjules5012]

A Good Analogy on UNCLOS

[@jbtejada]

Sir you have missed important on you history. The conflict start when China cease control from the Philippine of mischief reef , which china made artificial island and military base, thats why sheira madre was send in 2nd thomas shoal. About sabah, its long time dispute cease by malaysia to sulu sultanate ( sultan on Philippines) by renting the land now they dont want to return back to Philippines.

[@Missy_potato]

True

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Yes. I did mention that. I agree too that ASEAN members should be united and help one another.

[@liesterminator153]

Sabahans do not want to belong to a country ssonsofmaids

[@jbtejada]

@@dr.ilangokaruppannan But Sir, sheira madre was send because of mischief reef forcefully took from philippine marine by china and build military base artificial island. By the way, West Philippine Sea only with in EEZ not all south China sea. Yes, Philippine,Malaysia at Vietnam, Brunei should coordinate and talk about part in sout china sea. Vietnam take action to return vietnam EEZ and return control on part of paracel island ( now control by china)

[@totzinfo]

Philippines is the only U.S. PUPPET of the group

[@jasonjabonet4099]

Now?? How long did the code of conduct sleep..

[@jonzkiecopy4267]

did it sleep? i guess they long forget

[@ObetReyes]

Common fishing ground

[@timawa22]

I think thats kinda smart move, than just sit there and wait something happen

[@petergohtek5842]

UNITED NATI9N PRACTICE DOUBLE STANDARDS AS CONTROL BY THE US AND THE WEST

[@pinoyako978]

When was the time that Malaysia was united with Asean? This was just a personal question on WPS.

[@cherubimcherubim9515]

Malaysia to buy stealth fights over threat from Philippines on Sabah and south china sea. The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is to select a squadron of 18 Sukhoi Su-57E Felon fifth-generation stealth fighter as its next Multirole Combat Aircraft (MRCA). Malaysia and KAI finalized a nearly 4 billion deal for 18 FA-50 Block 20 aircraft and another 18 after the delivery of the first batch of fighters.

[@joelvalenzuela981]

Resolve the issue at the International Tribune for the Law of the Sea, a challenge and an intelligent step for a peaceful settlement, to end this issue. Do you agree ?

[@cherubimcherubim9515]

@@joelvalenzuela981 Philippines should stop giving blind obedience to your master usa. Help your hardcore poor people, save your streets children etc. Even Mindanao is calling for independence from Philippines.

[@joelvalenzuela981]

@@cherubimcherubim9515 Resolve the issue at the International Tribune for the Law of the Sea, a challenge and an INTELLIGENT step for a peaceful settlement, to end this issue. Your reply is unsatisfactory and out of the topic.

[@acuantjahyadi7393]

Inilah yang di inginkan Amerika , dapat menjual senjata. Buat masalah melalui budak , akan ada respon , lalu tawarkan senjata , sesudah itu biarkan mereka berkelahi , semakin besar semakin banyak senjata di jual. Selebihnya persetan... 😂😂

[@ramongabutina8015]

Am a Filipino,good to hear of Malaysia's airplane deal w KAI,you may need that as China's dash line includes parts of EEZ sea of Malaysia.To most Filipinos,Sabah is a dead issue & likely heirs of Sultanate of Sulu would be only ones interested.I think Phil govt may have other reason including Sabah in its requested extended shoreline as opined by podcast speaker.

[@totzinfo]

researchers have discovered that the Ayta Magbukon in the Philippines have the highest level of Denisovan ancestry in the world. In fact, they carry considerably more Denisovan DNA than the Papuan Highlanders, who were previously known as the present-day population with the highest level of Denisovan ancestry. Also Igorots, Panayans and Maguindanaoans in the Philippines have the highest level of Chinese (orientals) ancestry,

[@joshuamarklopiba1398]

As for me the issue of Sabah does not matter and should not be an issue because we are one people who have the same ancestral parents. The sea of Philippines is the sea of Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei and Singapore and their seas are also the seas of these countries. I think these should create a law that allow our people access one another and inform our people that we are one people. Tell the people that we are the Indo-malay people and we are not different from one another.

[@vister6757]

It matters

[@senioritovictorioofficial4317]

The real owner of Sabah is Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia is paying rent to Heirs of Sultanate of Sulu so many many years

[@liesterminator153]

Have stopped paying since 2013

[@totzinfo]

@@liesterminator153 stopped paying is not a bases that Sultanate of Jolo give-up Sabah

[@liesterminator153]

@@totzinfo loool come and get it...u poor ssonsofmaids hahaha

[@liesterminator153]

@@totzinfo go eat ur pag2

[@hopelope1703]

What is the evidence? Regarding the payment, where is the agreement?

[@aseanaut]

Excellent video. ASEAN claimant countries must reset and begin working together before its too late.

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Absolutely

[@hopelope1703]

Sulu/PH needs to resolve 3 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia. Firstly, Sulu needs to show undisputable proof that earlier, the Brunei Sultanate (original owner) gave North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of the 29/12/1877 agreement (consisting of 4 agreements) signed by the Brunei Sultanate that grants the whole of North Borneo to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and are kept at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” has been used, and it has never been challenged or protested by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into a British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946), and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia. Secondly, let's assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. The Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and the Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and the US relinquished North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol of 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. In the end, Sulu has nothing. Thirdly, PH claims North Borneo (Sabah) is null and void. For any colonized colony that seeks independence, the territory (sovereignty) is based on what has been given by their colonizer. In this regard, the principle of uti posseditis juris is applicable, acceptable, and recognized internationally. PH got their independence from the US in 1946 and under this principle, there is NO North Borneo. Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay. The UN has recognized Sabah in Malaysia since 1963.

[@fkoff7649]

MALAYSIA HAS BEEN PAYING MONTHLY RENT FOR DECADES TO THE SULTANATE OF SULU, WHY WOULD MALAYSIA DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? THAT ITSELF IS ALREADY ONE BIG FACT. SECOND, HISTORICAL FACTS, TOO. THE FACT THAT MALAYSIA ONLY BECAME AN OFFICIAL COUNTRY SOMETIME IN THE 1960S, SHOW THAT IT WAS NEVER A MALAYSIAN STATE.

[@hopelope1703]

@@fkoff7649 If you called it rent, where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia? Why in the 1878 agreement, was Malaysia not mentioned as one of the parties? Is there any clause in the 1878 agreement that Malaysia has the responsibility to continue paying Sulu? Why do the receipts in Sulu's possession not mention the money is for the rent? Why is the amount so small in value and not what has been stipulated in the agreement? Why did Malaysia give the money from 1963 until 2013? But the agreement was dated 22/1/1878. When Sulu relinquished its territories and dependencies to Spain on 22/7/1878, it left Sulu with nothing. That 1878 Sulu-BNBC agreement automatically became invalid as Sulu lost its ownership. Why must we pay when Sulu is no longer the owner? Why did Sulu never complain about Malaysia not adhering to the above agreement? In 2013, when Malaysia stopped giving the money, why did Sulu never bring the matter to court? Giving away money is not an offense. Can give or stop giving any time Just to tell you that there should be a financial contract for payment and be paid annually. Then only it is binding.

[@fkoff7649]

@@hopelope1703 MALAYSIA WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE 1878 AGREEMENT BEC MALAYSIA WAS NOT EVEN A COUNTRY AT THAT TIME, ONLY IN THE 1960S DUH! ANG YOU WERE UNDER BRITISH RULE. ANOTHER DUH. THE RENT HAS BEEN STARTED IN THE 1960S WHEN MALAYSIA BECAME A COUNTRY, A THIRD DUH! YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY???? A 4TH DUH!!!!

[@hopelope1703]

@@fkoff7649 If Malaysia is not mentioned, why do you make the claim to Malaysia? In that agreement, even nothing mentioned the successor state would continue paying Sulu. Anyway, that 1878 agreement is null and void. If there is a rent, where is the agreement? Only the deal is binding and acceptable internationally. You do not know legal matters.

[@fkoff7649]

@@hopelope1703 AGAIN, MALAYSIA ONLY BECAME A COUNTRY IN THE 1960S NOT IN THE LATE 1800S DUH.!!!! IT IS BINDING. THAT IS WHY MALAYSIA'S ASSETS ABROAD WERE ONCE FROZEN.

[@totzinfo]

before the Malays and Indonesians came to PH archipelago we are populate by DENISOVAN from mainland China and Siberia and Jose Rizal has a Chinese blood origin according to his blood line history, otherwise Jose Rizal has a big monument in Fujian China

[@ramongabutina8015]

Very good unbiased narration of events, w a likely possible surprising yet risky reason for the Phils' asked extended shoreline w Sabah in it.Ever since Filipinos are nonchalant about Sabah issue & the heirs of Sultanate of Sulu are probably only ones keen about it nowt..Phils,Malaysia & Vietnam have partly of their EEZ sea encroached by China's dash line,same w Indonesia & Brunei. Phils & Malaysia's conflict over Sabah was not as highly adversarial as the Phils/China row now.Phils & Vietnam have common at times serious respective clashes w China's intrusions in their EEZ seas, & Indonesia too w China in Natunas area.Posture of the Phils seems it does feel as threatened when Vietnam partly occupied Spratly compared to strongly when China also partly occupied Spratly ...The 2nd Thomas Shoal is within EEZ waters of the Phils under UNCLOS to which China signed as signatory. Also 2nd Thomas shoal as well Spratly,Sabina Shoal , Mischief reef & others claimed by China are parts of Phil Territory embodied in Treaties of Paris & Washington (mentioned by P Marcos in Singapore speech) ceding Phils to US by Spain which treaties China said it accepts recognizes formally conveyed to the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration, yet will not participate in proceedings... Sizable damaged marine & coral life in Phils' EEZ waters due to China's heavy dredging, massive fishing w detrimental methods,harrassments to Filipino fishing & naval boats tolerated by admin of frmr P Duterte, prompted now P Marcos to take a strong stand ( agreed to by 80% of Filipinos in credible polls) to protect & defend Phils' territorial & EEZ sea.

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Thank you for this thoughtful reply. ASEAN must work together to make sure that the livelihood of all its citizens is NOT damaged by these claims and activities.

[@hopelope1703]

I like to refer to your statement "Also 2nd Thomas shoal as well Spratly,Sabina Shoal , Mischief reef & others claimed by China are parts of Phil Territory embodied in Treaties of Paris & Washington (mentioned by P Marcos in Singapore speech)" and would like to give my comment. "Others" means I believe you are referring to all the outcrops in the South China Sea. PH was colonized by the Spanish and later by the US before she gained its independence in 1946. Therefore, applying the principle of uti posseditis juris is justified as it is an internationally accepted and recognized approach by ICJ in resolving any sovereignty dispute. PH got what was given by the US under the 1946 Treaty of Manila. Historical evidence is no longer valid. The South China Sea outcrops were not stated in the territories under the Treaty of Manila 1946 and the Treaty of Paris 1898. However, the Treaty of Washington 1900 stated that all “islands” beyond the 1898 Treaty particularly the 3 islands namely Cagayan, Sibutu, and Sulu belong to the US and later claimed by PH. But those outcrops in the Spratly’ are defined as “rocks” (not islands) by PCA in 2016 and eligible for the territorial sea. Thus, the claim by PH is ambiguous and cannot apply to all the “rocks” in the South China Sea. In this context, the statement regarding the Treaty of Washington in the Treaty of Manila 1946 served no purpose. Furthermore, if those outcrops are truly under PH, it should have been clearly stated in 1935 (PH Commonwealth), 1946, and 1973 PH Constitution where it has sovereignty and jurisdiction. Surprisingly, it was only established in the 1987 PH Constitution and the details are in the 2009 Baseline Law (RA 9522). What is your response?

[@ramongabutina8015]

You have a valid point.Hopefully yours & others seemingly valid points raised in media which do not align or contravene to the Treaty of Paris amplified by the Treaty of Washington submitted by the Phils' in its contention to the UN Permanent Court before, will also be taken up now too in a likely UN meeting to discuss Phils' request for extension of its shoreline.

[@ramongabutina8015]

correction: I meant Permanent Court of Arbitration

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

​@@ramongabutina8015. Yes UNCLOS will take up the Phils submission in its meeting from Jan-Mar 2025

[@cherubimcherubim9515]

Even Mindanao is calling for independence from Philippines. Why would Sabah want to join Philippines.

[@totzinfo]

Sabah is part of Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu before the Spanish colonized Philippine archipelago. Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu is the original Philippine territories compose of Palawan islands, Tawi-Tawi islands, Sulu islands and Northern Borneo called Sabah, most of the people in Sabah, Borneo speaks Tagalog the national dialect of the Philippines

[@hopelope1703]

@@totzinfo Show evidence Sabah belongs to Sulu

[@vister6757]

​​​@@totzinfothey give up their rights of that portion of the land in exchange for money from the British North Borneo comp. There is an agreement signed by sulu and British North Borneo Company stating that they give up their rights. Later the British North Borneo was replaced by the British government then Malaysia was formed from independence gained from the British government. The rights of the sulu to the land were given up a long time ago. They also signed agreements to give up their rights to Manila

[@louisbaui9887]

​@@hopelope1703 you don't pay rent for a property if you own it, right? Grave injustice to your fellow muslim, the Sultanate of Sulu.

[@hopelope1703]

@@louisbaui9887 You pay to whom the rightful owner of the land. Just show undisputable evidence it is yours. Not hearsay. That is justice.

[@jjjkurt84]

not strategy but under law and let big nation expansionist out

[@byron8657]

Yah China is sowing discord amongst us the MAPHILINDO we are one people one race the Malays and Indonesian race one DNA flowing in our blood. One family. Our ancestors heroes on the Philippines specially our National hero Dr Jose Rizal researched and claimed that most of the Filipinos came from Malay and Indonesian descendants k!

[@liesterminator153]

Talk kok ... there is 30% chinese malaysian and we don't have any relationship or bloodline with u ssonsofmaids

[@totzinfo]

nop you are wrong, before the Malays and Indonesians came to PH archipelago we are populate by DENISOVAN from mainland China and Siberia and Jose Rizal has a Chinese blood origin according to his blood line history, otherwise Jose Rizal has a big monument in Fujian China

[@totzinfo]

researchers have discovered that the Ayta Magbukon in the Philippines have the highest level of Denisovan ancestry in the world. In fact, they carry considerably more Denisovan DNA than the Papuan Highlanders, who were previously known as the present-day population with the highest level of Denisovan ancestry. Also Igorots, Panayans and Maguindanaoans in the Philippines have the highest level of Chinese (orientals) ancestry,

[@heavenheaven6312]

Then hightime china claimed ph.... 😊

[@mariolamaslig3776]

ASEAN member states must stand against China in one unison voice, Asean fragmented diplomatic approach is not strong in the face of Chinese incursion. Resist the Chinese bullying, aggression and intimadation against Asean states, with one united voice, china will think twice. With out unity, China will still persuade to continue to assert their illegal activity and bullying tactics against ASEAN states.

[@cherubimcherubim9515]

@@mariolamaslig3776 most of ASEAN stand with China accept for Philippines. ASEAN is against threats or sanctions by imperial america which have military bases in Philippines.

[@mariolamaslig3776]

@@cherubimcherubim9515 other Asian states are just playing Safe. But to side with China is not true, they just want Chinese investment and tourists because of their economic survival. Who likes Chinese greediness and bullying? Who likes Chinese false claims and intimidation.

[@benignobandalanagbayani5255]

JUST LET THE U.N. DO ITS MANDATE RESOLVING CLAIMS OF STATES PEACEFULLY, NOT BIASED AGAINST THE RIGHT OF THE PHIL.

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Hi..The UN is not involved resolving the overlapping claims because it must be resolved by the claimant states.

[@samtat5873]

Sabah is already belong to Malaysia many many years ago. No one allow to take Malaysia land or Island ok.

[@dionemontepio5439]

Philippines is not yet surrendering the sovereignty of that Sabah issue just wait

[@natsumidesu8019]

NOT OK

[@natsumidesu8019]

The WEST Phklippine sea and the SABAH claim are two DIFFERENT issue.

[@samtat5873]

@@natsumidesu8019 Yea the world all sea is your West Philippines sea right 🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@natsumidesu8019]

@@samtat5873 what is rightfully and legally belongs to the Philippine not like greedy china who wants everything because in our BIBLE the teachings are right.

[@jopedz6454]

the filipinos view asean as weak and weve been asking for the code of conduct since the late president pnoy aquino time it only so happen duterte became president so there is pause in our battle for the wps china is claiming the south china sea all asean are silent thats why an arbitration in the hague must be in force !

[@Salasaur]

Most ASEAN members view Philippines as just a Pitbull. No matter how aggressive the Pitbull is, it's still a dog. The Chinese eat dogs.

[@TechiesiJuan]

Sabah Claim Historical Context: The Sabah claim involves the territorial dispute between Malaysia and the Philippines over the region of Sabah in northern Borneo. Historically, the Sultanate of Sulu, a Muslim state that once ruled parts of the Philippines and North Borneo, ceded the region of Sabah to the British North Borneo Company in the late 19th century under a lease agreement. When Malaysia was formed in 1963, Sabah chose to join the federation through a referendum. However, the Philippines contests the legitimacy of this, arguing that the lease was not a transfer of sovereignty and that Sabah still belongs to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu. Current Status: Malaysia asserts its sovereignty over Sabah, emphasizing the results of the 1963 referendum and subsequent international recognition. The Philippines maintains its claim, occasionally bringing up the issue in diplomatic discussions. Extended Continental Shelves (ECS) Definition: The ECS refers to the seabed and subsoil beyond the 200 nautical miles (nm) exclusive economic zone (EEZ) that extend to the outer edge of the continental margin, up to a maximum of 350 nm from the baseline. Relevance to Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam: These countries have overlapping claims in the South China Sea, which is rich in resources such as oil and gas, and strategically significant. They have all submitted claims to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) for extensions of their continental shelves beyond the standard 200 nm EEZ. Implications: These claims are based on geological and geomorphological data that demonstrate the natural prolongation of their land territories. Overlapping claims lead to the need for diplomatic negotiations and potential joint development agreements to exploit resources in disputed areas. Exclusion of China Reason for Exclusion: China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea are primarily based on the so-called "nine-dash line," which does not adhere to the principles of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) regarding EEZ and continental shelf limits. The nine-dash line encompasses most of the South China Sea, overlapping significantly with the EEZs and ECS claims of Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam, and other Southeast Asian countries. The international arbitration ruling in 2016 (Philippines vs. China) found no legal basis for China’s historical claims within the nine-dash line, emphasizing the importance of adhering to UNCLOS. Impact: China's expansive claims and activities in the region, such as island-building and militarization, have led to increased tensions and disputes with Southeast Asian nations. China's exclusion from discussions on ECS claims is primarily due to its reliance on historical claims rather than the geological and legal criteria set by UNCLOS. The maritime disputes involving Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam over their respective ECS claims are complex and require adherence to international law and diplomatic negotiations. China's exclusion from these discussions stems from its reliance on the nine-dash line, which lacks legal standing under UNCLOS, creating significant geopolitical friction in the South China Sea.

[@hopelope1703]

The ownership of Sabah by Sulu can be disputable. Because Brunei Sultanate (original owner) granted North Borneo (Sabah) to BNBC dated 29/12/1877. Much earlier than the 1878 agreement. How can it belong to Sulu if Brunei can give it away? Sulu Sultanate relinquished its territories to the Spanish under the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement on 22/7/1878. Sulu has nothing left. Thus the 1878 Sulu-BNBC Agreement dated 22/1/1878 is null and void. The cession of Sabah from Sulu to PH in 1962 is invalid.

[@hopelope1703]

Show evidence Sulu got Sabah from the Brunei Sultanate as a gift.

[@johnnyairplane2896]

Philippines is trying to involve Malaysia in the dispute since it has been disappointingly neutral in this issue. Unfortunately, ASEAN is not united against China.

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Agreed. ASEAN should take heed and work together.

[@joelvalenzuela981]

The Philippines stand for its right of Sovereignty. There is none such so called "ASEAN CENTRALITY". They don't work together as one group to protect each other's member's safety, security and rights. as for Malaysia, lucky for you, you are not experiencing aggression. WE DON'T NEED MALAYSIA for the Philippines to uphold its territorial rights.

[@Missy_potato]

​@@joelvalenzuela981true because they are control by chins

[@totzinfo]

why Sabah is not a non-issue? Sabah is part of Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu before the Spanish colonized Philippine archipelago. Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu is the original Philippine territories compose of Palawan islands, Tawi-Tawi islands, Sulu islands and Northern Borneo called Sabah, most of the people in Sabah, Borneo speaks Tagalog the national dialect of the Philippines

[@Missy_potato]

@@totzinfo true

[@joshuamarklopiba1398]

I think Malaysia should not worry about this because Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei, Singapore and Malaysia have the same ancestors or ancestral parents. In fact, it is possible that 100 or 200 years from now these countries will become one as these countries attempted before to form one country known as MAPHILINDO which stands for Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia. Indonesia really wants to unite us as one. If these countries will become one then the leaders or the Prime.Minister or President could be from Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Brunei or Singapore.. Everyone knows that the name Philippines has nothing to do with their bloods and ancestors because Philippines are Indo-malays just like Brunei and Singapore. We rather help one another to ward off China from the Indo-malay territories. Remember we have the same ancestral parents. Look at Indonesia, Brunei and Philippines they look up each other as brothers with strong close relationships. Philippines and Malaysian politicians should set aside their personal interest and rather think for the good of all Indo-malay people because we are great people...

[@joelvalenzuela981]

I agree

[@liesterminator153]

Long essay of crap

[@totzinfo]

Philippines is the only US PUPPET of the group

[@vister6757]

Don't down play this. People can be greedy and once allowed they will step on your tail and next thing you know they are right at your door step.

[@hajiabdulrahman3105]

yes , like creating a hot spot in a peaceful region Phillipene is becoming radical of dream of expansion,the former Marcos ambitios dream to take Sabah is being resurrected .US should play a role to stop its former colony for being too agressive with claim based on an old tale.

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Its unhelpful for ASEAN unity to keep resurrecting the Sabah issue

[@FernandoDeguzman-fe5un]

wPS. No China sea

[@Salasaur]

Check the world map, and maps of your former colonizer, and the maps of your current boss. It's South China Sea

[@amando350]

Agree that Philippine should not open new window of possible misunderstanding but if feels being taken advantage by other asean due to China problem why not take this path after all most asean chose appeasement with china

[@dr.ilangokaruppannan]

Actually the issue is not black or white. Claimant states are not trying to appease China. All of them have protested against the 9-dash map. All of them do not recognise it. But China is prepared to talk. Why not take that route. The UN adjudication path is not going to produce tangible benefits.