The Sad and Pathetic State of Dota 2

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[@DogIsMe]

I played dota e-v-e-r-y-d-a-y during college. Me and 4 other guys played it more than we studied. We were a 2.5kmmr average party. Man those were the best times. Before college ended only 2 of us remained and we reached our peak of 5.3k-5.5k. Then we had to go find jobs... no more time no more energy to practice. Reaction time got really bad. Eventually our MMR reset and we both just played normal matches. 5 years more into the future i play alone now, just turbo matches. I dunno.. i still enjoy it but it's really not the same. Part of life to outgrow activities. And I think majority of the dota audience are pretty damn old at this point.

[@user-nf7im2wv3g]

they need to lure in new generation but the game is not appealing at all.

[@jmard3101]

I love Dota and Dota 2 with all my heart. But damn, this fckinh game gave me carpal tunnel and extended my stay in college for 5 yrs. Now, maybe it is slowly dying because my generation of players(late millenial/early zoomers) also moved on from the game. They have families and jobs to tend to. Great times but sometimes we gotta move on things😔

[@sethholstein1505]

I am too old for micro

[@Mexaze_]

​@@user-nf7im2wv3g for a veteran it's easy too understand this gameplay but for a newbie it's kinda hard, like they had atleast 50 content for tutorial...

[@BlackJackIs21]

Dude, I'm in a pretty same boat (except my dota buddies from college still played once or twice a week while joking around on discord). And that's fucking okay dude. You know those beer belly gentlemen who gather once a month to have a football watching party with their long time friends? Yeah that's us in the future (IF VALVE GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER!!!)

[@cinder3150]

People think they want a balanced game, but actually they just want the game to keep on having new things and changes

[@garoluis7366]

Exactly, changing some numbers here and there is not that relevant unless you are high rank.

[@greedy3astard270]

Such is the state of human desire

[@drakesacrum8445]

In my opinion this is what LoL does right. People in that community complain about the unbalance champions but they never last more than a month. Every 2 weeks the meta changes and what was broken yesterday, now is useless and that makes the game feel fresh. Dota 2 don't need patches that frequent but 1 or two every so often wouldn't hurt.

[@br0ken_107]

​@@drakesacrum8445 league feels fresh? Wow started playing league 3 years ago, still do sometimes it's exactly the same garbage. Going from dota to league can only be due to 3 reasons 1. Lack of skill 2. Time constraints -- league games are usually shorter 3. Wierd fetishes. I'd rather play HOTS which is incredibly fun despite low player base

[@MattHatter360]

​@@drakesacrum8445 League player here. Not everything is nerfed quickly as soon as it becomes op. Things are only nerfed quickly enough if they are abused in pro play, otherwise they tend to last longer. That being said, I'm sorry DotA is in this state, wish you guys the best :D

[@pahlevymu]

As a former player, i think the issues are much bigger than patches. It’s about the game itself, no newcomer wanna get stomped in every match they play and impossible learning curve because everyone beside me already played for hundred years

[@yummychips_]

Thats kinda the point. The game is not newcomer friend, and wants you to commit. The culture of DOTA is also the same. It just isn't fun to play, unless you have friends to carry and teach you. I know to many who quit DOTA literally after a couple hours. The sad part is that the DOTA commnity just makes fun of quitters, instead of reflect on how to improve new player experience. So yeah, DOTA sinking was always written in the walls.

[@luuji5253]

this game has lots of issues. lots of cheaters 95% of players are toxic Bad patches overpriced skins battle pass is a joke. FREE ARCANA? I feel bad for those who purchased the items at full price (Their loyal players - and that's a disrespectful)

[@g.henriquecosta983]

the same way the MOBA hype killed the MMO hype, now its time for the MOBA to die to the next flavour, may it be fortnite or whatever, no king rules forever

[@luuji5253]

@@g.henriquecosta983 man fortnite is now getting good every patches. It’s fun too and no much toxicity

[@blazearmoru]

I have 10,000 hours in dota and when people ask if the game is any good, I tell them all the good things about it and end with "don't play unless if you want to be abused by literally everyone in the game"

[@delvechiocavalhieri2105]

My feel is that the meta shift and how heroes were redesigned to adapt to it had a huge impact. Since they clearly balanced the game towards the Brawl gameplay, and characters that used to be drafted specifically to win the game by unconventional ways were redesigned to be more brawlish, then the game became very stable and predictable, which turns things boring (plus all the problems you've mentioned). What I really liked from Dota was that you really had different strategies like 4 protect 1, split push, midgame death ball, teamfight. Now even characters that were recognized as splitpushers have lame TF skills. And with this it's easier for the meta to be boring and heroes to become super OP because you don't have a game style counterplay.

[@ousqa]

Yeah I think they've recognized that more and more people are getting into the competitive scene and styling the game for that. While more options are fun having a more even playing field does raise the skill level.

[@syihabbuddin6088]

Yep i totally agree with this statement as meepo and broodmother user. They really make all hero seems to have same play style, even meepo and broodmother are no longer good early game hero to have fast end. Meanwhile, they are still trash after 40 minutes game. So it is 100% not playable hero just because they "delete" the potential of meepo and broodmother

[@mandzph]

The MMR, the competition, the tournaments... it all pushed dota into a very specific direction. There was a time where the international didn't exist, when players could not legitimately make millions of dollars from this thing, and because of that it didn't take itself too seriously. You could pick whatever you want, cause mayhem and chaos, but still style on your opponents and laugh at them because of broken matchups, only for them at laugh back at you when they inevitably do the same, and it will be all in good, clean fun. And then come dota2, they added rankings, and money (for the pros) on the table, and after that things slowly changed. There is now the potential for outrage and drama if shit is too unbalanced, people will shit and meme on the game if a particular changelog has abusable builds (or bugs) within it, and if the unbalanced stuff doesn't get patched out by the time the international arrives, then you risk getting one-sided pro games that aren't engaging for viewers to bother with. Smurfing is viewed as an actual issue, rather than a surprise boss fight - "you're playing a strong player right now", and newbies feel the system screwed them over while they're just starting up the grind and learning the game. They also can't seem to figure out how to sell their dota plus (without it feeling like cheating) and battle pass (so much useless, temporary fluff in the rewards). All this might have attributed to valve making smaller and smaller changes as time went by. They stopped being adventurous, and has now sunk into a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality.

[@yulianmercedes4263]

Agree Techies is the more clear example of this, i love the OG techies that created actual dangerous minefields and could rampage without him being in an acutal fight now it is a weird brawler mage.

[@syihabbuddin6088]

@@yulianmercedes4263 That's right It seems like Icefrog is trying to make all hero balanced in some point but it turn out that they actually remove the unique play style of that hero

[@sillycoin]

I feel like I was very lucky enough to catch up with both DOTA 1 and DOTA 2 prime times.

[@TheSMomin]

me too man ti7 dota 2 was sick , i simply loved it

[@wyvern5400]

true. to me 2015-2017 is such a good time for Dota 2, managed to get so many friends online, having fun with the events and the updates that keeps us engaged to the game like "shit i'm coming back tomorrow".

[@VuMaki]

same, dota 1 will always stay in my heart and nothing can replace it. Tho i got spicy while playing back in the days but yeah...

[@SaintPuppetS]

Played Dota one, always found Dota 2 to be clunky and bad. Went from Dota 1 to League straight.

[@kurrwa]

i played dota since 2008 but later in years it's became toxic show waste of your time and no surrender button

[@Sir.J8]

I play dota like everyday even if I mainly focus on a different comp game like Overwatch or League. I still love dota and I want it to be as the day I fell in love with it, fun, unique and exciting but, sadly Valve doesn't love it as much as they should. I truly hope they start patching and giving it the love that the pro players and the community gives it.

[@travispadour3586]

Right there with you. I still play after 10 years. Not to mention the years I played Dota 1. They are way overdue for a big patch, but it’s nothing keeping me from logging in ever chance I get.

[@verycool2050]

the game only increases in difficulty and likely toxicity. not a refreshing combination. haven't played in 6 months. time for a new version.

[@Delimon007]

The problem I have with it is extremely simple, back in the day there was broken crap but you could play around it. Currently, there is so much broken shit that you have to deal with it makes the game a chore to play. I don't mind mistakes being heavily punished, but the game pace has clearly increased and having things that are absurdly broken just running around and not getting nerfed is a massive turn off.

[@ladderlappen4585]

i miss the times where the own skill actually mattered in the solo matches. my peak was 5.4k a few years ago and i stood there for a while but after they mixed solo mmr with team mmr, i suddenly started losing almost every single game, no matter how much impact i had or which role i played, until i was 2,9k. funny is, when im in a five stack which rarely happens, we win almost every game. the role que is a fine addition but mixing both is just horrendous.

[@randomContentHere93228]

This didn’t really age that well…

[@DerekAQR]

yea dota is so dead i feel bad

[@noswearingacc]

@@DerekAQRnot really

[@TheJamesboink]

@@DerekAQR ? Dead? Look up steamcharts, it is ~420 k players which is nowhere near dead. Yes it did lose ~100k avg players from 2016 but that is: - natural - not really that huge despite being ~20% of population, since number is still high - Revenue is allegedly going up So it didn't age well xd

[@mbricks-zl3zl]

@@DerekAQR lol check steam's stats. Dota2 is number 2 in concurrent players.

[@DanMnt]

@@mbricks-zl3zl no, it's not. It's a lie. 900k + player bla bla and you can barely find a match, I usually wait more than 10 minutes searching for games.

[@Sarnith]

I think six patches a year would be fine if they were large patches that massively overhauled the meta, map changes, etc... though that would mean we'd need minor balance and bug fix patches every other week if not more frequently. At least that's my opinion... I love Dota as a game but as you've said... it just doesnt keep up with other games anymore. Hell, it hasn't for a long time.

[@ferryalias1547]

Yeah they had that appreciation for their works before dunno what happen after cause before they fix things right away and wont let us taking advantage of a bug more than a week hours even when it was event related bug

[@blazearmoru]

I'd much prefer 1 big change every 6 months + lots of small patches that balance out the 1 big patch. :c

[@zennn1434]

It just feels great to be one of the OG's who got to play during the prime of dota 1 and dota 2.. Good old days to always remember

[@Cryptocraze-ic5hp]

I miss the time when Navi. Dendi used to fountain hook method. People lost their shit watching the match. Now i don't even watch matches anymore let alone play Dota 2.

[@anonymoussoumynona8227]

Agreed 😢

[@vilxxblack2472]

An OG for a shit game that got completely mopped by its competitor on every front. LOLOLOOLOLOL

[@cy5282]

@@vilxxblack2472 mopped? Lmao. LOL’s only con is that it’s beginner friendly. Everything is better with Dota but that which eventually led to its downfall. I play both games and lol is nowhere near dota in terms of game technicality, gameplay, even with its visuals.

[@vilxxblack2472]

@@cy5282 Is that why no one plays it besides weird Russians? The game is literally on life support, and it was even diffed on the TV show front. Dota is just the poor mans LOL, and that is a fact.

[@errata]

Quitting Dota back in 2016 was one of the best decisions of my life.

[@Hammadisteachingchemistry]

Why

[@errata]

@@Hammadisteachingchemistry Because it makesa you depressed, angry and is a gigantic time sink to even be average and if you want to be at the top you have to dedicate your entire existence to it, if you also don't make it as a pro (the 0.001%) you are putting all of your emotional power, time and happiness to it and it destroys your soul. It just has an insane amount of depressed people in the game and I'm not sure if they flock to the game or it drains them into the depressed husks they are. Probably both. It's just not worth it. I also had well over 10k hours in the game and played a shitload of Dota 1. If I ever came back to it, I would play casually or bots only. This is not a joke post, I'm happy if you can play it without all of this, but the sheer amount of people like this I saw in game reminds me never to start it up again.

[@Hammadisteachingchemistry]

You're right too much time to invest to become a pro player, however Its fun to play with friends. I sometimes play dota with my brother. Dota is a way for us to connect. I agree with you becoming a dota player is almost impossible. I myself have played 3000 hours and still arcon. Still there are many things in life you do without expecting a return

[@andreipopescu5342]

If you have friends, this game will never die. The problem is you can't really catch up with old good players...

[@Sushii132]

We can but its hard . Either way just play it for fun wether youre herald or immortal

[@andreipopescu5342]

@@Sushii132 that's exactly how we do it every fiday night, bro! we even get together like 20 years ago LAN parties :D pizza, cussing, explaining to each and every single one of us at a time how stupid he is, then moving on to the next game. Good times! and I'm not even sure what herald or immortal are :D

[@doccavs723]

Dota 2 gave away arcanas for free but that wasn't enough to persuade me to downloading that game. I will always treasure the good time I had in dota with my friends but ever since I uninstalled the game, I never looked back. And seeing this types of videos, I guess I'm not missing anything at all.

[@noobgod3216]

help how do i escape from this hell

[@brokenboy351]

bro same, i clocked around 4k hours back in the day.. but when it moved to that crap reborn patch i was out.. havent played since. It was fun while it lasted though.

[@aikuch8371]

​@@noobgod3216 just uninstall it,

[@theone9408]

Wait i have seen this before

[@sacredbanana1683]

same ive been clean for 5years and will continue to not look back

[@leoem4nuel]

Hear, hear! Preach it, Blitz! On a side note, thank you for providing us with amazing dota content all these years. It was 6 years ago that I discovered your channel, and it has been a blast. I stopped playing dota many years ago, but I still want to have at least one finger on the scene, and your contents help me to do just that.

[@tiefblau2780]

Remember CS go?

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

​@Jon Christopher the game is 10 years old there's nothing left to discover unless it gets changes

[@kingdomofthesaintful]

@@jonchristopher7967 I would rather have a stable, "dead" but fun game than a game that gets frequent horrible patches. That's one of the reasons I still play very old arcade fighting games in Fightcade, and so so many others do.

[@kingdomofthesaintful]

@@darkomihajlovski3135 Then that's the fault of the devs making a game that is ankle-high in skill ceiling. Even games that are much much older have active, competitive scenes.

[@magic4694]

@Jon Christopher wow I agree I still love playing the game

[@invoker619]

This obviously didn’t age well. There have been 2 major patches since this video has released 5 months ago, with 5+ total patches. And 7.33 basically reworked the entire game with twin gates, spell/debuff immunity, big hero changes, etc.

[@supershid464]

yep, aged incredibly poorly. Sure the international and the compendium aren't getting as much money, but that's a result of completely letting go of the battle pass, which is the best decision made for any game. Dota strives, and is become a lot more fun to play

[@invoker619]

@@supershid464 yeah. But because of letting that go, they charged us $880 for TI finals tickets, and for the first time there is excess inventory. And people are reselling tickets for half the price (I myself bought a half price ticket)

[@notme3422]

​@@invoker619why would someone pay for a ticket and sell it for half price

[@invoker619]

@@notme3422 My theory is that a lot of people bought multiple tickets with the intention of reselling. That's what happened for all of the past TI's - people end up reselling for 2-3x the original price. And tickets sell out instantly. However, this year, tickets did NOT sell out. Those who bought multiple instead had trouble reselling for a higher price, or even the listed price. Eventually, people were forced to sell them for half the price or less to recoup even a bit of money.

[@idkwatlol4456]

Man, it's okay we are already there, Dota has already made its mark in history, for me there is nothing more I could wish for. I've enjoyed it and maybe will enjoy it for a few more years and probably get on with my life and just cherish my memories about Dota.

[@ousqa]

Dota isn't going anywhere don't worry

[@quachaihiep3251]

Too true, nothing last forever

[@Lx_otto]

Maybe try other Moba/games as cusual player, personnaly I've spent so much time playing wow growing and now i'm just moving on, trying cuasually other mmo's and goin just for the fun parts (no tryhard)

[@billyadaw7022]

He doesn't cry about TA... This is when i know this is a real problem

[@playerhs7572]

I agree templar assasin needs a significant buff

[@tiefblau2780]

Remember CS go?

[@scienceteam9254]

@@tiefblau2780 it's cs2 now lmao

[@sonitgorla4125]

I really do agree that valve is not working at all towards Dota. I love dota and want it to be saved. But i think the pro scene is one of the major reasons dota is not dead and should not die as quick as you mentioned. Valve needs to learn a lesson and pro players need to get in on this to save the game , not sure how though. The easiest way is valve develops braincells but i guess that's a bit too optimistic. Here's to inhaling more copium , the end of april patch will be everything we need )

[@schadenfreude7812]

7.33 will be the last chance Im going to give this game.

[@somethingsomething2541]

@@schadenfreude7812 same that will be the last chance that i give the game too

[@progalion4647]

@@schadenfreude7812 Yeah me too , I'm tired of waiting for this game to become good , if they mess up at 7.33... I'm done

[@b.temvvlen11.28]

Yea if 7.33 patch will be like this, i'll sell my 6k lifetime games account and quit this shitty game

[@schadenfreude7812]

@@b.temvvlen11.28 I would sell my account too but sadly its my main steam account too

[@Gaswafers]

Playerbase decline is rough because the dominating voices in the community will always be the people who haven't left yet; the ones who still think the game is fine. A game will die amid seemingly overwhelming approval.

[@richardmarin2538]

Yeah you're being ridiculous. The dominating discourse in the community ever since ti4 (when the game was still growing, and fast) was that the game was dead. Same with League. People that think the game is fine don't typically write a long ass steam thread to tell you that they like it.

[@Kitten_Genocide]

1:40 "could you just imagine playing the same game on the same patch revolved around the same meta?" *tetris enters the chat* also chess.

[@lukecalumlyonwrath7723]

Ain't that the truth!🙌

[@RB-mm7ce]

also any sports

[@acidmana6141]

Chess is pretty much dead. It had its bump due to streamer shillers but it's kinda dead compared to like 40 years ago. Even Carlsen doesn't want to play the Worlds anymore and just want to play poker.

[@DiegoCaceresAE]

i have a legit question. how are you supposed to get good at a patch if it gets reworked every 2 weeks? how are teams supposed to get strats down if everything changes every 2 weeks?

[@TehcaruS_Bright]

You don't, Leagues patches are mostly not noticeable. Think of them like a b c patches of Dota, just a bunch of really small changes here and there. Blitz here just think grass over there is greener but it's not much different

[@oreroundpvp896]

Doesn't change too much every 2 weeks unless it's a new champion releasing. Pros are also always a few patches behind in order to not have drastic changes right before a tournament

[@EldritchBladesgaming]

You are right this dude doesnt know what tf he saying he being edgy for clicks.

[@theninjabay]

Definitely agree with you.

[@ferryalias1547]

I think the point is valve is slow at picking up problems within their update that require rebalancing i still remember how quick they re at the begining they wont even allowed we take advantage of bug for more than a weeks hell they fix it on 2 days even ... people need time to explore the new mechanics but no one patience enough to play when things is bugged and the developer just let it sit for months

[@lukapitkanen3333]

There’s literally no chance of dota dying in a year. I’ll give the game 5 years til people start actually quitting (unless something major happens). Personally I’m still having fun with the game but the lack of patches is certainly worrying.

[@oscarbruins8420]

True, the daily playerbase has been pretty stable the last few years.

[@pomegarnet1618]

yeah dota is like abusive relationship, you know it's bad but you hate to quit it

[@skychen5476]

People been crying that dota is ded game for the past 10 years, no surprise this video is another clickbait It's easy to see that TI always brings back players Lack of updates is likely due to icefrog's absence working on Neon Prime and most of the dota team working on CS2 which is already released now Unless Valve fucks up the next TI I won't be surprised to see the player count surge again towards next TI

[@lukapitkanen3333]

@@skychen5476 as long as you are able to find a match, the game is not dead. He’s clearly just not having fun with the game and is projecting his feelings. It doesn’t matter if League is pushing out million patches a year and Dota just a couple. Long time League players seem to be more dissatisfied with the direction of their game than Dota players are in general. League will always be the more popular game but Dota will always have its niche in the genre too (even if they take forever with the patches).

[@longlivingdaemon]

I started playing in 2020. I agree with all of this. I really did like the aghs lab stuff though and the dire tide. But haven't been back to the game in a few months since things were all the same for extended periods of time.

[@wowvoelva4530]

I think the complexity of Dota 2 would mean that a major gameplay changing patch happening every 2 weeks would completely destroy anyone that doesn't dedicate ungodly amounts of time to the game, as they wouldn't have a chance to learn how to play with the changes before new ones arrive. Meta changing patches to Dota 2 every 2 weeks I think would kill the game MUCH faster than what we have currently, as it would exponentially punish anybody that plays even semi-casually.

[@everydaybacksbroken2886]

Very true, the complexity is too much to attract new players. Any crazy changes will ruin it, the current ageing Playerbase will not be happy.

[@Jokervision744]

Dota 2 has its place in my memories, and it would be sad sorry if it fell. I think that maybe one day I could come back to at least watch some games, and get crazy about those, because I don't really have it to play it. It would be nice to see this game get its place solid.

[@mypriusisfaster]

Played way back in the first patches in beta. Addicted for 3 years, but eventually stopped after it turning into a rage fest for me every session. Stopped and haven't had desire to comeback to it. Now I occasionally watch streamers play and that's it.

[@hanneshaanpaa8446]

I will share my own take about the matter. So a little background about my experience in competitive Esport titles: I have thousands of hours in CSGO and probably a bit under two thousand in Dota. I'm playing since about an decade ago, when I started secondary school. In those days I used to main one of the games heavily for months, and then switch to the other game again. Even back then I noticed that moving back to cs from Dota is way easier than other way around. Sure, your mechanics feel out of touch but honestly if you play like 2 hours of deathmatch, you can play CS almost like you had not taken a break for two months. This does not apply to Dota, and it's not about the basic mechanics of the game. It feels like every time you decide to start playing dota again, you have to learn a different game all again. Nowadays I don't have time to play games all day everyday and therefore Dota does not feel appealing, since they constantly make changes to the maps, they nerf your favorite heroes from last patch to obsolete and add new items and heroes occasionally. For a person that does not have as much time to waste as a secondary school kid, this isn't very appealing. The beauty of CS in comparison is that it's still basically the same game it was a decade ago. Sure, they have added some maps and stuff, but the thing is that the mechanics are the same, they rarely touch the weapon balance, and the things that make you good at the game stay. I do acknowledge that game balance is harder to maintain with 123 heroes and 208 items in game. Anyways, here is some propositions, feel free to share how you feel about them! 1. Stop adding heroes and items. every hero and item added makes game balance harder to maintain, which is already proven to be very difficult since everything you change about something affects synergies and counters between items and heroes. Also the argument of getting bored with same old heroes is not very valid as there are already too many heroes for anyone to master. Even to master thee is an achievement and the best players in the world have at most a dozen in their hero pool at any given time. The problem of dota is not that there is only one thing to play or build, it's quite the opposite. 2. Minor balance patch weekly instead of major patch twice a year. In these patches only the strongest and the weakest should be adjusted, only as much is necessary. Valve has a dataset of over 3 million games weekly, and constant feedback from players available. This is enough data to show, which heroes and items are the most OP/UP and to make educates guesses about how to fix those. This way we don't need to play against some bullshit hero for 6 months straight, and even if the mark is missed, new patch is coming next week. 3. Stop making major changes to the map. In my opinion the best map we ever had was the one pre reborn and the decision to make changes to something that was not broken was not the wisest thing to do. I have never heard anyone saying that they like when valve changes the map which says something at least. It's gruesome to learn wards, stack timings etc. all again every time that valve decides to change the map. The map pre reborn was basically the same for ages and no one ever complained about a thing. Realistically I don't see valve changing back to pre reborn map, so what I propose is that they hone the current layout to perfection, and never make major changes to the map again.

[@wowomah6194]

I stopped playing probably like 6 months ago, BUT I will say that the way I turned Nyx Assassin into a CORE style hero was just about unbeatable. It was my bulwark and my battering ram because it was almost impervious to anyone's stupid OP "meta" build. Constantly had enemy teams trying to mock me and tilt me because of how much trauma I was causing their brains just by refusing to allow their META bullshit to work. Essentially, I would build Nyx into this brutal tank where he could take hit after hit and come in and out of combat almost like a Tidehunter or Timbersaw built for tanking could. But at the same time, I would be draining mana, popping blademail, throwing Impales, destroying channeling and reflecting dmg and stunning with Spiked Carrapace. It was just a beauty to behold. It worked in every rank I reached and I was just gaining more and more ranks. This is why the "meta" is such a boring and uncreative strategy. Sure, if people don't know to outwit their opponents, then sure, build META. But if you have a brain, if you know how to play very crafty and witty and use your opponents expectations against them, then you can do incredible things in multiplayer games. Most people just try to win via brute force and merely outfarming and out clicking. Fuck that. My Nyx Assassin build would ROUTINELY wreck a pos 1 or 2 on the enemy team as a pos 3 when I would have HALF the gold that they would because I would get Shard, Vendetta in at super sonic bug speeds VROOM, and then pull off Nyx's combo while right clicking them down. If they tried to respond, which, of course they would, because they'd be cocky carries who thought that I was their average shitty Nyx player and would think they could two shot me with their carry. But when I popped the blademail and hood of defiance and my nukes started coming back up after the initial combo (if they weren't already DEAD from that) then they'd run so hard trying to escape. A good player doesn't need the META. Now, that isn't gonna stop OP heroes from doing bullshit you can't stop, like when Marci was first released (fuck that hero eternally, and fuck Valve for creating some stupid POS waifu anime hero in DOTA). That said though, in 98 percent of cases, my build would absolutely demolish the enemy team, I could run in to a 5 man, take a key enemy OUT instantly with Nyx's nukes, pull out of combat while they all threw their nukes and stuns at me, survive it all because I built very tanky and had a blademail that dissuaded chasing and by then, if my team was halfway decent they would descend on the survivors with my pos 1 and 2 cleaning up the stealth bombing I just did. I really do miss those days and that gameplay, but the reason I left is precisely because of how toxic the community is/was. It just became zero fun to jump into a game where the META was so RIGIDLY defined that if you chose a hero someone didn't like they'd just insta throw or come and grief your lane on the laning phase or feed or whatever. It was miserable. Like many who will read this, if you've read this far into my rant, you'll probably also be like "Psssh, Nyx pos 3? Bullshit. Fucking noob." And that is precisely the issue with DOTA2 as a game. They see a hero, assume it does ONE thing and ONE thing only and never take creativity into their own hands. They just follow stupid "mathematically correct" builds on websites and assume that's the only way the game can be played. But realistically, what is mathematically correct or what is "meta" is only meta in cases where actions are predictable, where enemies are also "meta". If I'm not playing the meta, then I'm essentially playing 4D Chess because think about it: when is the last time you saw a POS3 Nyx Assassin? It's only funny til I'm insta killing you and walking away unscathed or tanking for my team in teamfights while reflecting dmg back at enemies. DOTA2 is a game with incredible strategic possibilities, but one instead people have turned into a game MORE predictable than Chess and it has lead to mind numbing (and dumbing) toxicity and boredom. People do not CHERISH creativity and new ideas in DOTA2. DOTA2 players are, by and large, just like the Borg from Star Trek. Booooring. That's why I play games where creativity IS possible to be rewarded, like Path of Exile for instance where you can come up with your own build that no one has thought of yet and then absolutely wreck. Or even Magic the Gathering where you can create a deck of cards that is totally your own, never before done quite the same way and which is actually PRAISED for its ingenuity and clever strategy. DOTA2 is the fast food of the competitive videogame industry where the recipe for a burger is just placed on a fucking screen and all the ingredients aren't allowed to be changed.

[@Avalangard]

Tldr

[@wowomah6194]

Too short, don't care.@@Avalangard

[@capt0range162]

Man I remember how fucking hype TI8 was and how awesome it felt to play the game back then. It's just sad to see something I used to play all the time start dying off like this.

[@thehomiesrule123]

When I first played Dota 2 in 2014 I thought it was a story game and accidentally queue'd a mutpliayer game and I was hooked. I forced 3 of my friends into it and damn as 13 -15 year olds we had insane amounts of fun. But we outgrew the game. Some went to cs, some went to League. Either way none of us have touched Dota 2 in like 5 years.

[@playerhs7572]

I was also hooked by pudge a few times in my first game, sad memories :c

[@marshmallowmann20]

"outgrowing" dota to play league is the weirdest thing i've ever heard.

[@kafkaesque3709]

​@@marshmallowmann20 moving from dota 2 to league is a skill issue.

[@dustbinsavesyou8283]

@@kafkaesque3709 moving from dota 2 to league is a quality of life improvement

[@DezZzO_YT]

@@dustbinsavesyou8283 I mean, generally speaking Dota has one of the best quality of life features, UI and general polish, so I don't get your point. Going from Dota to League was ALWAYS due to people just seeking a more casual, relaxing experience. Period. I've seen people trying to cope with different reasons, but it's just always about people not being able to handle Dota.

[@threshold1]

that last part hit me so hard because i used to play a lot of tf2 and witnessed how valve just stopped caring, I mean, like you said that game was a treasure with amazing mechanics and charachters that valve just decided to forget. the same is going to happen to dota, in a slow rate, maybe dota just need a bot problem and ourselves stop playing that game to get the message.

[@franciscoOrellana29]

they really make very good solo games but when they make multiplayer games they don't know how to maintain them well

[@ArvySan]

I missed the event back then, dungeon crawling stuff, or classic gameplay with that huge lion thingy, or tower defense and sliding with penguins

[@metaljessmax18]

I've been a Dota2 enthusiast since 2014. Before that, I only played WC3 and Starcraft campaings like there was no tomorrow. Then one day, my cousin showed me the Dota All Starts game mode and I instantly fell in love. Then, I heard about Dota2 and the rest's history. I love Dota2. It was an important piece of my teenage years and a key component in my life. I simply can't express enough how much this game means to me. However, not all good things last forever and last year my focus on the game started to wither. Many reasons for this, mostly me growing up and wanting to experience new things and how the game just felt like it didn't do it for me like it used to. Now, I mostly play League with my friends, good people, and we chill and laugh. We have a good time. I admit I had some reservations over playing League at first. It felt like I was cheating a longtime relantionship GF. Weird stuff. But over the course of weeks, I slowly started feeling better. There was no more guilt. Then I really got into the game. And I started to notice how Riot treats it's IP. I felt rage. An amazing animated series, multiple events, lore expanding spin offs, collaborations with talented artists, etc. Sure the League players are stupid and toxic af, never satisfied with anything Riot gives em. But I'd be damned if I say that Dota is better that League because God strike me if I lie, Valve has done nothing for Dota in the past 5 years. Artifact and Underlords were poor excuses of game spin offs that tried to suck money more than being an actual game to help expand it's lore. Dota is cursed to be under the hands of Valve. Valve hasn't made any real games excepting HF:Alix (A VR game over all things, because a VR is something we all possess in our homes) and it's doesn't look like they want to make any at all. I'm sorry but Dota is destined to be forgotten, if it's not already on that path. I'm heartbrokren, but I have to move on. We all have to. Edit: typos

[@cozinoda]

Same.. I played dota for about 3 years and then got into League when arcane came out. Dota now just seems so.. dull

[@pa5838]

Same here. Had 2k hours in DotA, switched because of friends and ended up never coming back. Now I've been playing League for the past 4 years. But still we have to police the devs or else people get lazy. Also even though riot does a good job, they still seriously lack in some aspects, like the lame ass Events and Battlepasses.

[@gravelor78]

@@pa5838 I miss the days when Riot vomits all these very fun events and gamemodes..

[@ousqa]

Dota's not leaving it's just changing directions y'all are delusional. When's the last time chess got a patch? And it's still around lol.

[@paulcallaghan2876]

@@ousqa This is a bad opinion and you should feel bad for spouting this nonsense. Try use all five of your brain cells next time please

[@salmon101]

This is weird to watch lmao, us Counter-Strike players just got CS2 like a couple of days ago with massive changes to the game 😂😅

[@luuji5253]

I have 5k hours play time on this game. I uninstalled this after the TI 11. man patches are only meant to drain your money with their overpriced skins. 1. Battlepass are so expensive that the items only cost cents to a dollar after a year. Good items are not tradable nor marketable. 2. There are lots of cheaters in Turbo 3. 95% OF PLAYERS ARE TOXIC like every match are full of toxic players that are supposed to receive penalties. Report option is a joke. THOSE WHO READ THIS COMMENT, SPEND YOUR TIME ON IMPORTANT STUFF OR SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP YOU TO BE MENTALLY RELAXED AND HAVE FUN. DOTA 2 IS A VERY TOXIC PLACE.

[@casmsfrought9956]

The TF2 analogy at the end really struck a chord in me, like goddamn a game I've played ever since wc3 frozen throne days, turning into a slowly fading light like TF2 is just haunting, Dota 2 deserves more than this, not to mention the lack of advertising for this game, it's like they want it to fade, I truly hope one day valve sees this shit, but they probably won't.

[@paulcallaghan2876]

Valve doesn't care and we truly could change this if it weren't for THE MOST TOXIC online community. For example Reddit used to be a place where you could organise social action; now it's a corporate shill board where every other commenter just insults and uses Straw Man Arguments any time you try to bring up problems with the game. The demise of Dota will be because of Valve but it will be the fault of the community

[@Gabrielbarsch]

i love watching these kind of videos

[@SalveASMR]

I love seeing you in dota 2 videos.

[@Aryues]

2 is a cursed number for valve i think. Dota 4 when?

[@mrsamuel5572]

3 is just straight FORBIDDEN

[@manoyal]

​@@mrsamuel5572 more than 2, less than 4

[@daghetto101]

CS2 BOUT TO BE CURSED???????? HMMMMM

[@Aryues]

@@daghetto101 thats what they said when dota 2 1st come out 🤔

[@delphii105]

i left this game 2018, i cry seeing friends list and average last match 4 years ago, i play this game everyday when dota at this prime time 2015 -2016, last year i try play again and totally different and then i decided to never play dota again

[@enteaty]

I enter dota 2 in 2013 and quit not long after they add Skill Tree, my expectation on this game was really high back then, especially to adding more new heroes, more events (like diretide) and arcana, i remember when some courier and immortal items price is sooo expensive, its sad that this game got pretty low maintenance and ignorant dev until nowadays

[@outlawdota]

Totally agree, also forgot to mention the atrocious state of high rank pubs

[@julesvetter3326]

It's not just high ranks, the problems start at 4k MMR already

[@yangdu7767]

No, dota2 doesn’t need frequent updates.

[@Vincenzo_Santorini]

I remember my first time discovering Dota, it was just a beta with a not yet developed menu interface, a lot of people sharing early access keys, my first time playing a Dota Match when I was 13, it was a razor, and we won that match 🙂, and I remember buying a lot of items on a market and after trying to sell it, I remember spending a lot of money of battlepasses and compendium, that was very unnecessary lost of money on a pixels on screen, but I for some reason I liked it🤔, I remember raging all the time when my teammates would make stupid things that later will ruin my game and lost of rank and points afterwards, every year watching the international and root for whoever makes to finals, trying hard to win game when there's no hope in winning, damn, that was a good old times to remember.

[@shido2880]

We're all getting older and have to focus on priorities. But one thing is for sure. Dota is always be my favorite game.

[@LLNG]

The problem is Valve needs IceFrog's confirmation for the update, it is not just Valve updating it, it's always Icefrog behind the scene but icefrog has been inactive for the past 2 years and looking forward to return this year.

[@Bizoooka]

Did Icefrog say this? or you were just daydreaming?

[@LLNG]

@@Bizoooka Did you do your research before commenting? Sounds like a you problem

[@Bizoooka]

@@LLNG Sounds like hearsay is your source of research. More power to your EGO bubble I guess. May it grow forever.

[@LLNG]

@@Bizoooka I can't argue with someone who uses the word. "hearsay" in a comment section like this is a court case. It all depends on you, and I've mentioned couple of things since you didn't specify which one is it, and some of them are already confirmed by IceFrog, but it is pointless to argue to a skinwalker. If you're going to ask me where did IceFrog post it, then do your own research Mr. attorney.

[@Bizoooka]

@@LLNG Ofcourse its okay to use 'research' when the only person to mention Icefrog's break from Dota 2 used the word 'Rumor'. But what would a skinwalker who is not in court, know about hearsay.

[@valerkobalerko]

I actually love dota, maybe because im not an og player or so but from my hours in the game for the past 6 months im pretty satisfied...i started bot game practice and afterwards i did casual games, omw to ranked, so im excited. Idk why people complain so much but somewhere i get it. It also matters how much you play, if you play 2/3 hours every day for a long period you gonna get bored faster than a normal 5/6 hrs a week player i think. I just love dota for now, and i think it will remain so for some time...

[@obilic93]

The sole thing i left dota is cosmetics locked behind limited paywall. After learning that wr arcana will never be avaible for purchase and when it was avaible i was jobless student.... That opened my eyes.

[@nycblast]

as a casual player i never noticed all that, i just mainly play rank to try and gain mmr. i have noticed however how boring it's been to play from 2022 to now but i couldn't put my finger on it. i didn't notice how stale the meta has been till this video

[@TheGrifhinx]

Speaking of the Netflix series, what got into Valve's head thinking they can shape up a lore so solid and structured it can pass for a media franchise they can bank on for a very long time? I've never sensed that in IceFrog (and I seriously doubt anyone manages to) to place stock in lore when all he does throughout his tenure from DOTA 1 and 2 is just fiddle with the minute mechanics of the game. He can't really zoom out to the biggest of big pictures of a game's design to ever think about ingame economies, sound, backstory, and only manages to obsess over his little plusses and minuses in "balancing" his roster of heroes. And nothing else.

[@cattysplat]

Arcane getting huge numbers of viewers compared doesn't help either.

[@shadowpriest2574]

I can imagine playing the same heroes again and again for years. That is what Dota 1 is.

[@connorm4145]

It’s also what high end league was for like a decade

[@Azihayya]

I tried playing DotA again recently, and I was turned away when I had to wait forever and ever to find a normal game and when I encountered a bug in the interface.

[@brianbristofer-woods6788]

Another major issue unaddressed is how shitty they handle the toxicity in the community, most pro players only play ranked in 5 man teams because there is no punishment besides muting for being toxic in game, the behavior score system is broken and no one wants to play in a gamemode if people constantly give up and say “let them end, try again next game” everytime

[@PBXD01]

5:45 - 5:59 As someone who loves and plays TF2 for 9 years now, this fucking hurts.....

[@AzraMaximus]

This video did not age well.

[@DeezyCS]

Still 700,000+ strong😂

[@tanawatkrubb]

You are on-point, I quit this game 6 months ago. never have a thought of going back, even they give free arcana sets. you can deny the truth all you want, but when the game is giving out the most valuable assets for free, that's the sign that the game is dying. If the most valuable objects become free, they lost its value. It is the last trick that could lure the people to stay with the platform.

[@vanderlin4966]

Well. I'm looking forward to seeing the patch at the end of April! Hopefully it'll get some life injected into it 👍🏻

[@hideyoshi9636]

Been with dota since dota 1 era. I was there as one of the dota 2 beta version gamer. Sadly, I left the game when the giant Patch 7.0 was released due to personal commitments. Although I still pay attention to major dota 2 tournaments like all The International, it hurts to see Dota 2, my used to favourite game is dying.

[@abdullah0277]

when i was college around 2014 to 2018 almost everyday i played dota 2 with friends but now i just like to watch dota tourney rather than playing.

[@hardytoddler2082]

I played dota on and off (mostly on) for over 10 years but I quit several years ago and I got no urge to ever go back. It is what it is.

[@welath7440]

Yeah, i totally agree to this. 4-5 years ago i wasn't able to skip even one day without playing at least 1 match of my favorite dota, but now i am playing 1-2 games in 6 months and even that way i can't escape that rotten smell of stagnation that comes out of this game. Last time i played in November, but i still feel a strong disgust, this game now is literally disgusting to play. Like a rotten meat.

[@solitude6568]

I agree

[@madman10340]

After I stopped playing Dota 2 I got a house, a new job, I’m closer with my friends, and I also have a loving girlfriend. Idk if it was just Dota 2, or the fact I stopped playing video games almost all together.

[@richinoya_]

Congrats man, my life also improved significantly after I stopped playing... I think I realized the game is just not worth the time anymore, games are so long and you waste so much time being miserable and dealing with toxic kids before you get that one game that's 'worth it', but it's absolutely not worth it at all. I guess the same can be said about LoL or other games too, but it seems especially bad with Dota due to stale content and the fact that most of my friends don't play anymore either. The pro scene may still be going but to me it might as well be a completely dead game

[@joevenespineli6389]

Opposite for me minus the job bit, lost our old house moved to a crappier one, lost friends, and dumped badly.

[@perochialjoe]

It doesn't help that the new player experience for Dota is one of the worst I've ever seen so nobody wants to even try getting into it. I used to play it quite a bit 5 years ago and even I don't want to get back into it because of how shitty it is to be new / returning.

[@tales8855]

I guessed right it felt like there were only 2 patches. I only come back to DotA once every year to watch Ti and play like a month before I hop off and come back next year. Been doing that for the past 5 years actually.

[@kilcanolpal3738]

I do agree on you on this. I stopped being excited for dota because of how little there is done in developing the game and when we do get a patch its VERY disappointing. Valve needs to wake up because this game better not end up like tf2, another title that i love but stopped playing because valve has pretty much abandoned that game, with the community starving to death for any content updates. I would not be surprised if Dota ended up like tf2 where there is no new game play content anymore (or rather, there would be minor balance changes and a few tweaks in some numbers) and a major portion of the updates are just going to be sets (just like how tf2 is being treated). Honestly, a part of me wants Dota to fail so that valve can finally be AWARE of their lack of involvement in their games, a wake up call to get them to take action. But seeing as to how people are still pumping a lot of their money into the game, why would they need to update it anyways? It might just be a case of how history is repeating itself with tf2 and Dota might just be abandoned in development. Only difference here is the player base wont be as bad as tf2's because the e-sport scene is keeping this game alive. To me it seems that valve is putting their attention to expanding their company to be more that just a game company, examples are the Steam Deck, Steam VR Hardware, and hey even the anime. Valve may be succeeding as a company, with Steam being the largest game distributor in the gaming industry and expanding themselves broader with hardware, but as game developers, Valve has failed themselves.

[@MAMAJUGO]

I don't recall the amount of times we've been in "the year DotA will die"

[@yellowbones]

it's already dead. we're still playing but it's a shell of what it used to be

[@kakochi1002]

@@yellowbones literally every valve games. specifically tf2 updates

[@pupper5580]

Why I stopped playing (in no particular order). 1. They change the game all the time. I don't have the time to keep researching things out and re-learning everything all the time. 2. They reset the ladders all the time. I don't have time to grind myself out of the ELO-hell all the time. 3. The match making system was not enjoyable. It felt like I was given forced losses. I felt like they gave me teams that I absolutely could not win with. I felt like they did this in purpose, because in gambling related neuroscience they know that it's not winning that makes you addicted (it makes u feel calm and satiated and for me winning makes me feel like I can stop playing and go take a nap) but it's losing that makes you addicted. This was probably the main thing that killed the game for me. 4. Too much fighting over who gets to play pos 1 and who plays support. If you play pos 1 your supports often are absolutely horrendous. 5. MMR. Low mmr is elo hell. If you want to get out of elo hell, you need to grind a lot of games. I don't have time for elo-grinding.

[@Trevan2412]

I'm a Heroes of the Storm veteran, you could say. Never played Dota, but still felt this

[@arthar8435]

Rip hots man 😔😢

[@PnoyBoi4Ever]

Sometimes too many patches is a bad thing too. It just means developers are constantly fixing things. But I do agree dota gets stale with the same meta for months on end until the next patch.

[@JifuChan]

When u asked how many patches this year i immediately thought of 2. It felt like 2 and i was actually right.

[@consumer9279]

want a cookie?

[@potatomatop9326]

I've been playing since the day Rikimaru had Deathwards... It's time to say goodbye my good old friend...

[@clownhipp7066]

I play from 2007 dota 1 Till 2013 Good time And life happen ... Sad to hear this man

[@bazeeg]

I couldn't agree more. This video was right on point with the current Dota 2 problems. I hope Valve sees this video.

[@lyannWin]

same problem with TF2 2000 + days since the last update same 9 characters no update to MVM and no incentive to play other than to get better. Dota has had like 5 heroes in the last 4 years since TI-9 and nothing has topped that I think they used COVID as an excuse and simply just let themselves go since the pandemic absolves them of any responsibility.

[@GAMMA47]

Valve is run by a capitALIST PIG who only cares about the cha ching on the bank account. All these TRIPLE AAAAAAAAaaaaa Companies are like this. They only care about the bottom line

[@neeladrirao9055]

I think that icefrog is back so the game will change (inhales copium) but i think the updates should come with atleast once a month. But i feel that dota is a much more balanced game than league and also lol does release skins very often but it ends up being for the same characters like ornn and a few characters have no skins i dont want dota to turn into that i like the way the community chooses the sets rather than they just decide. but yh we need more updates and more cache like events.

[@iddqd339]

yeah I've also heard rumors that icefrog fucked off for a while, so the team was leaderless

[@gold9994]

Dota pro scene is quite stale. The DPC is not good.

[@Sp1NNN023]

The main reason Dota 2 isnt as big as LoL today is that Dota games are way tooooo long, as an adult i dont have a time as i used to. And thats where the passion disappeared, from 4-5hrs of playing came to 1-2 games a day until i stopped playing completely. Turbo just isn't interesting to me, so now i barely only plat TFT of single player games.

[@masonsnyder8975]

I doubt it'll be dead by the end of the year. Hell I come back to it every other year.

[@Trinket430]

I quit league specifically because of constant dumb patches. Glad to see those with too much free time still whine about people not patching enough to keep their dopamine addictions fresh.

[@chazz319]

Blitz is brainwashed by Riot games to think that someone really likes modern League

[@theguy8412]

@@chazz319 As much as I dislike league, as a dota player from 2004 I wouldn't go back to Valve's patch cycle, especially them delaying patches for pro play up to like 6 months.

[@chazz319]

@@user-cl8cl6qc5t believe me, playerbase count actually doesn't mean nothing in question of game quality, as I said League has also lost a great amount of it's own player base. Believe me, League community also live complaining about it's game EVERY day, and I know this bcs I was a league player in the past, and believe me, it's the same shit. The same amount of problems, the same toxicity community, the same amount of broken heroes and the list goes on. Even though League has patches every 2 weeks they just change the numbers, they never add nothing to the game besides new heros, Riot just cares about Valorant and TFT, look at League cinematic this year, doesn't even exists.

[@chazz319]

@@theguy8412 I'm a casual player, so for me it doesn't change much the patch since I play turbo most of the time, playing mobas competitively is like asking to have a bad time. But you are right, if you can't handle just a few patches in the year is better quiting the game ngl.

[@NEDMKitten]

This aged not so well.

[@Hopefulmedikos]

Why is that?

[@DeafDefiler]

In its then-current state of 7.32b Blitz was absolutely correct.

[@DeleLang]

Simple answer. Valve is not getting new young players but rather relied on the original dota 1 players who has fairly aged by now and has different set of priorities.

[@kuroki4151]

The game literally has in game lag on purpose some people say. Like no matter how much agility items i bought, theres always that slight but noticeable delay when hitting creeps.

[@robbierotten2024]

I don’t think the game needs constant patches to feel fresh, under one condition. The game is properly balanced. This is the first time I’ve seen a single item warp the entire meta and be a must buy on every hero no matter the team. I know things like Pipe and such are always going to be good as long as their buffs aren’t run into the ground, but it’s hardly the same as seeing a meme hammer in every single game. If Valve properly patches Dota and can do so in a small amount of patches, I don’t feel like it needs constant updates honestly. Dota is a game that’s deep enough to keep on giving, like TF2. I can keep playing the game because I love the game at its core. Attempting to copy League for the sake of Copying League because they got big player base is something valve would do, and we would all hate because League has serious issues none of us want infecting dota. But if Dota NEEDS this update amount they should do it (instead of feeling obligated to update on a schedule). I just don’t want it to end up like league where the end goal isn’t actually to balance the game but to push the balance somewhere else so they can go “ooooo look there, another patch! Come back and play because your favorite hero is dominating the meta this time!” I felt like dota didn’t get many updates before and was still balanced and fun (though more than it does now), the issue now is like you said they’re so out of touch and care so little that the updates they DO put out suck and take a dump on the game.

[@bloood9]

Balance is boring. Not sure how you typed all that out and don't realize that. A perfectly balanced game can never change or grow without ruining the balance. The meta changing is what pushes people to get better and devise new and fun strategies.

[@tehonlynoobs5556]

Yeah update too fast make newer player harder to catch up or someone who going back to the game like my self Im almost 3/4 year not touching dota and im scared my self with how many i need to learn in latest game that i still didnt touch the game cuz relearning sucks and make mistake in this game are unforgiving with how toxic my region is

[@user-vz3yh9gi1l]

@@bloood9 "new and fun strategies" becomes old and annoying just after few matches. Hello-hello!

[@unowno123]

I fully agree with this, I think adding more maps would be great (as they used to rework the map often) and ofcourse doing some aghs/shard reworks, as some heroes have really wierd and boring upgrades (drow) perhaps adding some new items to the game could also work

[@CatPlayer]

What?? The drow aghs and shard are amazing as they are.

[@silvercomet3737]

remove shards in general and everyone gets it on a 15 min mark or something

[@unowno123]

@@CatPlayer you mean to tell me a bit of split shot and a weak aoe effect on kills is something you're going to design a build around? the aghs is super late game when you have all the dps items in the world, and the shard has no place in dota

[@Br0n5t3r]

Dooms shard has to be the worst upgrade in the entire game. It only works depending on the level of the enemy. Meanwhile, characters like Dawn get a mini bkb every time you press Q. Game is a joke.

[@CatPlayer]

@@unowno123 tell me youre 2k without telling me youre 2k

[@neuromancer6969]

I think the developers do not abandon the game but they were moved to CS 2 engine port. The same thing happened with CS GO when Dota 2 received Source 2

[@CTIA3]

I used to play last for some pro teams back in dota 1, well at least that happened once in pick league againt MYM back when they had a line up with a very young miracle in it. I got into dota 2 3 years late after a stint in starcraft 2. got placed at 5K1 mmr, had some good times there too. I think my biggest pro memorie is ESWC 2008 the first time chinese team like EHOME and LGD got to duke it out againt european team and absolutely stomp them with a trilane meta with medusa / am supported by 2 lane sup a la vengeful spirit / lich / crystal maiden. They absolutely stomped that tournament

[@Stranglethorn]

I used to play Dota 1 to Dota 2 and always thought other MOBAs are for kids, then my friends forced me to play League, and I thought "wait a minute, 0 turn speed, reactive controls, fast paced games as well as updates, good character lore, and easily distinugishable terrain and champions, maybe League is not so bad after all". I played both dota and league up until I completely left dota. Now I am so addicted to league I cant stop....pls help

[@tanura5830]

for me leage was boring but fun for some time I am still playing dota mostly. Leuge too simple to be fun for long time

[@angelollibato2190]

​@@tanura5830league is so mich better

[@romancisar7593]

Major patches once every half a year are good for the pro scene.

[@MrRafagigapr]

Fuck the pro scene they dont even play the same game we do. Why balance for them when you blind pick on both teams and cant even get a guaranteed ban on heroes,

[@lillyie]

but boring for the average player, which is like 99% of the playerbase. eventually all the metas will be found and every game will play the same as pro players are meta slaves

[@romancisar7593]

@@lillyie It takes ages for meta to kinda settle. Also look at broodwar, meta changes there and people are figuring new stuff after like 15 years with no patch.

[@RA1KU]

As a former TF2 player, and now almost a decade into CSGO. I don't want this to come across as too rude but welcome to the club. I was always under the impression Dota was valve's golden child, and I think for a good chunk of time it was. I don't play dota but I have watched every TI and for a game that has The International, I'm a little stunned they've not had more people on the game. I remember when I used to play TF2, a group of people representing the community(casters, players) went to the Valve office to make a case for how to improve the game for a competitive setting. Now they did add a competitive mode into the game but I it was years too late and by that time the people that spearheaded these changes were effectively gone. They also didn't get a positive view of valve's work structure, people seemed to work on games willy-nilly and unfortunately that doesn't seem to have changed in supporting their games.

[@yoshikagekira1807]

I quit the game really after the current college 1st semester in the Philippines no updates and was just a waste of time however I comeback for events just for the skins and leave again

[@rockybalboa1929]

i stop playing this game years ago, but love watching the tournament and vid about it. pls dont die Dota 😢

[@consumer9279]

you will die before dota dies

[@drchops]

Heard the "dead by end of 2023" line and missed the rest of the vid cause i was laughing too hard

[@thesoundofsilence77]

He's completely out of touch lmao. Regardless of your feelings on Valve, Dota still rakes in millions of players every month. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. There's a reason he didn't show the numbers and just talked hypotheticals.

[@MrRafagigapr]

If we played this shit patch for a year we can play next one for another one

[@huyphung802]

​@@MrRafagigapr you guy are quite the masochist 😂😂😂

[@lewdex]

@@thesoundofsilence77 Well, you said that he didn't show numbers... And you just said "Dota still rakes in millions of player every month". So where are your numbers to back it up?

[@braindeadspy9840]

Millions of players?? i doubt it. Dota's average player count isn't even one million, much less having millions of NEW players. unless you're talking about millions of DOLLARS then that's something i can believe considering dota 2 rakes in an average 25 million dollars a month.

[@TurKishsoulja]

A good game doesn't need patches. There is a reason why the skill cap in DotA is much higher than LoL since we can dig deeper into the meta and discover much more.

[@mota478]

From what I've learn from other Competitive games. There are two problems in Dota. 1. It has a problem for new player to understand the mechanic to get them hook for the game. unlike its mobile counter part MLBB (mobile legends bang bang) if you know that game. Yes that game is easy, that's the thing it is easy to understand that a child can play it. Unlike Dota, Dota is precise, competitive and have a high skill ceiling for each match you play. Yeah if you ask a new player this do you want to play a game that will take 45min - 3 hours and get bullied or absolutely will get stomp. Yeah they will uninstall that and play other games 2. Smurfs can kill a game on the long run. I learned that from playing rts games. If you are a smurf in any game. I hope your happy that your game that you play is dying. NGL I have a multiple accounts in CS but I used them if a friend wants to play just to have the same skill lobby or just have a chill match on pubs to get exp for cases. Valve have some problem on updates here and there in Dota 2. I will ask you this did you ask a TF2 player how their game is... So yeah don't complain if valve didn't release many updates for you cause only have small update from here and there and no new content since the jungle inferno. Maybe both valve and the dota2 community are the problem. CS have the same kind of problem also, Less content, Smurfing, cheating, a high skill ceiling, same core gameplay as old CS but CS is still getting new players and it still thriving as a competitive game because its easy to understand and easy for a viewer/player to get hook. This video is great.

[@copdatchoppa]

After a 3 year hiatus I thought about returning to Dota, hoping things would've changed, but now that i've watched this video... eh I guess i'd rather spend my energy on something else then.

[@roarrrist]

“🐑 mehehehehheh im a sheep and an idiot” -you

[@thehomiesrule123]

I'm glad you've managed to survive on content creation

[@lDARKH3ARTl]

Haha

[@andreiy3177]

Due to the fact that valve's way of doing work is simply by letting the employee's work on what they want makes it very hard to have a consistent patch schedule like league does. The problem is in the way valve does it's job which is good for single player games but bad for live service games

[@msulthanulhakim1341]

Spend almost 8k hours playing dota 2, my rank was divine last year then I started again at 6 months ago. But I think im going to quit playing for now because the unbalanced matchmaking where I always paired up with bunch of griefer etc unlike the enemy team which has good coordination and teamwork, like I don’t understand i lost my -500 mmr. Man that’s so frustrating as hell I haven’t got so much lose streak in dota more than 3-4. Imagine u got 8 winstreak in a row then system suddenly give u a griefer and ended up losing and losing again more than your winstreak. I hope this game die faster.

[@dedo69]

I actually hate patches. I just want the skills of heroes to stay the same. What I want is events , skins and new Heroes!!

[@josipbuzgo2945]

To be honest all the things you named as bad points are big pluses on my side. If it was up to me there wouldn't be any new heroes ever. Every time Dota 2 makes new hero all I can think about is: am I going to stop playing it because they changed it. If I was a LOL player and after one month pause I find out the game is totally changed it would be a big motivation to stop playing it. I agree some things need to change when players find a bug or something. But why change something every few months? For gamers who do nothing but play games maybe it makes sense but for everyday people that play a game or two every second day after work it doesn't make sense to change it so fast. Every so often I find myself in situation when I finally learn how some new stuff is working, new builds or whatever, it gets changed. Its annoying and disappointing to find out the game has changed right after you started enjoying it... again. Playing it since 2015 but every time new patch come along I think about abandoning it.

[@gravelor78]

I see and understand point. However, it does objectively make any game boring and stale in the long run. The people like you who are mostly casuals and hate change or don't like to adapt would probably, like you said, hate it. But fequent patches have been proven to make games fresh and it works almost every time if executed correctly. So what I'm saying is that you are just in the minority. Take for example, League. You misjudged "change" as a total overhaul to a game. In reality it doesn't. They are just slight buffs or nerfs to champions that will temporarily make them meta, but you still play them just the same as how they were from the very birth of the game, only they would either deal more or less damage, have increased or decreased base health. The players don't need to re-learn a new mechanic, but needs to slightly adjust their strategies to counter said meta. It doesn't even hurt the casuals because the changes are simple, but challenges them to use their brain to adapt and that's why patches makes the game fresh and fun. They are just stat improvements, that's all.

[@josipbuzgo2945]

@@gravelor78 well in general it makes sense but maybe that's just me, I don't like changes. But now after this update I just can't make myself start a game. For me this ne patch is not "slightly adjusting strategies to counter meta" it is changing gameplay and making a 180 turn. Firstly I have to take some time to learn all the new buildings, their roles, their location, their use and how and when to use them. I need to learn new ways on map, new items, and new movements. Map control is now a class for itself. I just don't want to be forced to take classes on how to play it after the patch. Today I wanted to chillex and have a game or two, but that was not possible and it happens way more than it should. I don't mind new updeits that keep game fresh and deny it getting stale and boring but this is not it. This is changing the game big time and making me play arcade rather than actual game. I am maybe not invested as much as I should so I just refuse to take time and learn new things. I wish patches were optional, make few versions of Dota (alpha, beta, gamma) and than improve one little by little , make second change every month, and go crazy with the third but let me have my Dota and let me play it, when bug gets reported give it a new twist to change the meta but keep the same game. I get your opinion and I might be a minority but I strongly believe this new patch will make me and few other people love this game less and maybe even quit playing.

[@sanjeevasamarawira6895]

Is this video still valid after the huge gameplay changes and patch updates?

[@KRterrorKR123]

I think your completely right Blitz. I haven't played dota in god knows how many months and when I saw the battlepass I felt like the writing was on the wall for this game. Valve's love and care for dota has really taken a downward spiral with it being the lack of patches, themed events, map skins/reworks and dead custom game modes. I wouldn't be surprised if dota gets the hots treatment in about 1.5 - 2 years if Valve continues with what they're doing right now. It's so frustrating seeing Valve butcher a game you've loved for years just being cut a thousand times until it slowly fades away.

[@NoobDoesThings777]

How many videos are you going to milk about how Dota sucks and that you are going to quit just to come back a few months later and repeat the same process?