The Sad Truth About The Rings of Power 1 Year Later

It has been 1 year since the infamous billion dollar Lord of the Rings show debuted on Amazon and has the series held up at all or is it still a mediocre slog? Lets talk about it.
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House of the Dragon is an American fantasy drama television series created by George R. R. Martin and Ryan J. Condal for HBO. It is a prequel to the television series Game of Thrones and is based on Martin's 2018 novel Fire & Blood. Set two hundred years before the events of Game of Thrones, the series chronicles the beginning of the end of House Targaryen, the events leading up to the Targaryen civil war, known as the "Dance of the Dragons", and the war itself. The main contenders are Houses Targaryen, Hightower, Stark, Baratheon, Arryn and Velaryon.
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is an American fantasy television series developed by J. D. Payne and Patrick McKay for the streaming service Amazon Prime Video. Based on the novel The Lord of the Rings and its appendices by J. R. R. Tolkien, the series is set thousands of years before Tolkien's The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings and depicts the major events of Middle-earth's Second Age. It is produced by Amazon Studios in association with New Line Cinema and in consultation with the Tolkien Estate.
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[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

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[@ValentineCorp]

Rings of power sucked so fucking hard

[@kennyhudson9201]

Galadriel randomly ran into Sauron in the middle of AN OCEAN. Rings of Power was too stupid to be remembered.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

that was not a great plot point

[@pronner1991]

But that is the sort of coinscdence that happens in Tolkiens work

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@pronner1991 also true, coincidence happens often but that is an insane one though

[@meel6053]

Galadriel randomly ran into Sauron AND Elendil in the middle of ocean :(

[@patrickreilly2026]

​@@pronner1991not really.

[@ericl2473]

Preston is way too forgiving about how bad ROP is. I’m not someone who cares about the casting of POC as elves or dwarves. I care more about plot and character development. The series was just awful at developing character and story arcs. When it comes to GOT, Preston is overly critical of the most minor dialogue, character motivations. It’s the same as his take on WOT. Not sure why he is so lenient on other shows but not GOT or HOTD.

[@kennyhudson9201]

The Phantom Menace was better than Rings of Power.

[@viniciusvyller9458]

I will never understand the choice to mess with the Second Age and already heavily estabilished characters by both the books and movies instead of having the creative freedom to condense the Kin-strife of Gondor, the Wars of Dragons and Dwarves, the Fall of Arnor and the origin of the rohirrim into more or less simultaneous events happening in smaller span of time. These are all events of an earlier Third Age with links to the dark age in Middle Earth presented by the PJ movies with plenty of space to fill in the gaps left by the author. Apart from the Akallabeth, the forging of the rings and the wars of Eregion and the Last Alliance, the Second Age is pretty boring and as hardcore fan, a bad choice of adaptation into a multi season show.

[@DrDetfink]

Rings of Power is a lesson in basic story telling. Peter Jackson’s films actually build to something while Rings of Power does a lot of talking that goes absolutely nowhere. I feel bad for the actors because they’re trying really hard but the material is not there.

[@marcneef795]

I remember being quite hyped for RoP until the Super Bowl Trailer came out. KZbinr Quinn's Ideas had a Livestream and he just was speechless. Nobody expected it to be that bad. And yes, it was actually just "mid" , but for 2 billion in the Lord of the Rings universe "mid" is the worst result imaginable.

[@poppag8281]

Really I heard it was worse than mid?

[@marcneef795]

@@poppag8281 It depends on your point of view. If you compare it to the average content, that is produced at the moment, it is mid. If you expect it to be of the quality of Tolkien's work, it is terrible.

[@squaeman_2644]

I knew it was gonna be shit since they first started releasing marketing for the show... from the shows ,"superfans" to the annoying actresses like Disa's...

[@kristijan8518]

No one is talking about rings of power because it's so bad people don't even want to remember it. It's like a traumatizing experience.

[@joshhoffman5233]

“It was mediocre” for a billion dollars and spending that money to carry the Tolkien torch is bad. Not mediocre Yes the show itself it just a whatever forgettable show elf show, true enough. But it’s a Tolkien show. Just like the new Star Wars trilogy is a bunch of whatever it sucks no big deal except it’s Star Wars.

[@joshkellemen5931]

It was a mid fantasy show it wasn't a Lord of the rings show. Don't care about the race of actor swaps, but the problem for many fans who hated it was how SO far afield it went from what actually happened in the second age that it boggles the mind. This should have been a show about elrond and his more and more distant great-nephews who were kings of numenor. And a meditation on immortality vs mortality.

[@OkaniJMCA]

The race swapping characters was silly but they could have got away with it if the show was any good.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Hmm

[@MilanKell]

I agree! Villeneuve's Dune and House of the Dragon are perfect examples of how it can work well.

[@squaeman_2644]

People might just be tired of race swapping in general. Look at Snow White and the Little Mermaid. It also only seems to happen to white male characters. It's also sad that we need to change a person's skin color or sex in order for people to have a connection with them and feel "represented" 😅 as if these representations arent sometimes offensive aswell...

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

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[@squaeman_2644]

​@@OfficialRedTeamReviewSure thing!

[@that.canadian.vaper.guyTCVG]

*EDIT:* OH, man! I didn't realize I wrote as much as I did. Sorry, I was just writing my thoughts as I was listening. Long comment lol. 'Rings of Power' wasn't necessarily bad, it was just a divergent interpretation of what we expected from a 'Lord of the Rings' adaptation. There are positive and negatives about the show, the setpieces and props were underwhelming and had a cosplay-esque feel about them. The dialogue wasn't horrible, the delivery of the dialogue was awkward enough to make you cringe at times, not often. But it was there. The actors were good yet some felt miscast, performances were unremarkable at times and Galadriel was just boring yet amusing at the same time, due to Morfydd Clark over emoting at times and forcing the 'female empowerment' in Galadriel when it isn't appropriate. The actor that played Sauron was probably the best actor on the set, he just understood he needed to be a charismatic, misunderstood yet tortured soul that was hiding a malicious aspect to him. Going back and rewatching the show, it's completely obvious that he is Sauron, yet you second guess yourself because it almost seemed too obvious and that's due to the dialogue and *how he portrayed* his character. Yet, he would have done so much better had he been cast as Isildur, because *all of those traits I mentioned* tell the tale of Isildur. Isildur was reluctant to do his duty, he was a tortured soul yet he rose to the occasion and he became a king in spite of this. All of which eventually became his undoing when he came into contact with the One Ring, and Charlie Vickers embodied that spirit with his performance. Not to mention that Sauron looked like he could have been Aragorn' younger brother. This is coming from someone that didn't hate the show, mind you. Once I realized that we weren't getting an accurate adaptation of the Second Age, I kind of turned off my criticisms, at least in terms of viewing 'Rings of Power' as a faithful Tolkien show. It was just different, in a boring way. I'm a proponent of enjoying any form of content, as long as it's done justice. 'Rings of Power' simply did not do the Tolkien Estate justice, and it sucked. The cinematography was absolutely stunning at times, my favorite scene was the slow motion, low angle to a close up profile transition of Galadriel riding a horse and smiling like an idiot. It was just such a stupid and completely unnecessary scene to throw in there lmfao. If you wanted to show that Galadriel is at her happiest when riding, free in a field without a care in the world, there was a dozen different ways to go about that lmfao. Back to my thoughts, the show was just boring and left you feeling unfulfilled. Which was exactly the opposite of what Tolkien wanted you to feel when reading his books. He wanted you to dive into this gigantic and wonderful world, almost like you're part of the journey yourself. But I guess that's what happens when Amazon decided to jump into the show with only a blip of the story that they wanted to tell. This is both on Amazon and The Tolkien Estate, if the T.E feels like Amazon hadn't delivered a show worthy of Tolkien, they should have sold the rights to more than just the Appendices. It is what it is.

[@korakys]

I thought the orcs storyline in Rings of Power was really good, especially when they begin the assault on the village. _Nampat!_ But then they got destroyed by a deus ex machina. Like a Greek tragedy. (What, you're telling me I wasn't supposed to sympathise with the orcs? Oops.)

[@alanpennie8013]

I think we sympathise with orcs more than we're meant to. At least the show had that guy who was fond of orcs.

[@AlexGordonMusic]

Completely agree. Adar was pretty gnarly.

[@gunkulator1]

@@AlexGordonMusic Adar is seeking a homeland for his people who are perpetually tortured by the sun - a noble undertaking. Galadriel promises to commit genocide on all of them - pure evil.

[@smith3696]

Bad movies take risks, rings of power was worse than a bad movie, it was a cynical movie. It was manufactured to be as dull as possible, stripping away any character or story since these are unpredictable elements. Instead it pumped the controllable elements; the aesthetics and marketing, up to 11. This way they guaranteed engagement. Rather than trying to make a good film they just pushed out a husk of a beloved work, it's desecrated name recognition, for cynical profit.

[@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506]

Beautyful take. It was content, not art

[@gunkulator1]

Good point. Say what you will about The Hobbit movies but they took risks. For the most part they don't work and overall the movies are bad but at least they tried.

[@MrPhbahia]

gotta love Preston, but his societal takes are 100% just his perspective but he speaks as if they’re universal facts…

[@CactusJack60]

Lol so true 😅

[@postpunk6947]

Totally. I can't agree with him on many ways, but still love his content.

[@Ivan-qi2du]

Rings of power is not just bad, it's amateurish and cheap. It's like it was written and directed by kids who have never seen a movie before in their entire life or by people with an IQ less then 70. It's an insult to the audience.

[@pyradragon]

If it wasnt for this video- I would have gone the rest of my days not remembering Rings of power released .... and i watched it

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

fair and point proven by preston

[@Barbossa778]

A great example of a forgotten movie is Shakespeare in Love, which beat out Saving Private Ryan for best picture in 1998

[@phil7121]

1:44 the way i remember it was that everyone hated Jar Jar & that it was clearly not as good as Episodes IV-VI, but still a fun movie... me and a lot of people I knew watched it multiple times in theaters... it was only a later that it became cool to hate on Episode 1 and so everyone started bashing it Rings of Power on the other hand was NEVER embraced by anyone for a second... and i say this as someone who liked it way more than anyone else I knew

[@kennyhudson9201]

Exactly, I remember it only became cool to hate on it years later. Yes, Jar Jar was not liked, but I remember people liking the movie overall, and like you said I remember people including myself seeing it multiple times in theatres.

[@Biostasis5x7]

​@kennyhudson9201 I watched it high on acid. Looked great. Still a silly movie.

[@kennyhudson9201]

@@Biostasis5x7 All Star Wars movies are silly though. Lest we forget the Ewoks.

[@goatmc]

@@kennyhudson9201the empire strikes lacked silliness, which is why it’s the best in many fans eyes.

[@Biostasis5x7]

@kennyhudson9201 Oh, they don't get a pass just because they are cute. A bunch of stone age furlings would never have won vs. a battalion of storm Troopers. George Lucas was just starting his Fat Old Man stage at that point. This is the same Fat Old Man that brought us Dexter Jexter's 50's style diner and episodes 1-3 where half the movie was people walking slowly and talking. Or sitting...and talking. Then massive CGI battles that didn't really mean shit. Then lightsaber battles. Only 1 of which was truly amazing.

[@baswar]

I mean for a billion dollars its bad. The writing was terrible and a lot of the world building was lazy and lame. Like one elf accidentally lands on an island and literally begs to leave, yet these protects from people concerned elves will take their jobs. Its just a lazy like anti-populist take. I mean there was excessive complaining about a black elf but that was over blown. Although i think the actor was one of the best parts of it, i think its sometime that does seem a bit random and therefore a bit tokenish. Like why is there just one black elf in the area. It would have made more sense if they made all the elves in that region black, actually all the people in the village should have been non-white. Its something that would be very easy to explain lore wish ... its a southern and eastern region and we've never seen natives of the region of mordor before. But no its just randomly scattered none white characters. Like look at house of the dragon, people complained about black actors and then they watched it and liked them. The fact they were black added to the story and was believable- its house with foreign roots and interest in international trade, its diversity done well. Rings of power is just lazy

[@baswar]

Like don't get me wrong i don't think it was bad as such. But for a billion dollars i would expect smarter writing and a show that is more than mediocre

[@gunkulator1]

Skin tone is a major plot point in HOTD so it was not a side detail and they had to be accurate. Also, everyone is human. Skin tone does not matter in Tolkien and there are a lot non-humans so it's far less important. There's so much else that is non-sensical in ROP that there's no need to speculate on dwarf or hobbit genetics - if they even have genetics.

[@baswar]

@@gunkulator1 your missing my point. im not talking about the hobbits and dwarves, that i don't care about because as you say it never mentions it. I also don't even care their non-white its that it needs to feel like a living world. It needs to be consistent. The world doesn't look like California most regions one ethnicity dominates. If they have one black elf they should have all of his unit be black too. Like in HoD that whole family is black and that family is linked to international trade that makes it fit into the world. While in Tolkien people are generally described as similar to the peoples from their group. Rohim being blonde for example the way RoP did it was just lazy and just looks like tokenism. If they really cared they should have had not just more but more consistent non-white southern village like the humans and elves in the Southern village should have been non-white too

[@gunkulator1]

@@baswar It's a fictional world and there's no reason at all it can't look like California other than you not wanting it to. Why should all elves in one group be black? Maybe elven genetics randomize skin tone, maybe they don't even have genetics, but a better question is: why do you care about this so much? Hobbits are described as having small, "nimble" feet, not big hairy ones but you never see people write angry screeds about Hobbit feet. Why is skin tone the hill you want to die on? Perhaps try seeing the actors as just actors, not black actors or white actors. Yes, our world still tends to have people who look like each other being together but this trend is lessening as the world grows closer. And besides, there's no reason we need to impose our current world situation on a fictional time and place. Different skin tones is really just mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.

[@thedragondemands5186]

Thing is, I was expecting a dumpster fire since it was announced in like 2019, so I was actually surprised at how “presentable” it was

[@JohnRStrachan]

Same, I was somewhat impressed but the characters and story were really not there, although the time-condensation was the real issue in my opinion.

[@thedragondemands5186]

@@JohnRStrachan yes, Numenor arc was weakest of the 4 main arcs, despite good actors

[@anthonyvasquez7050]

@@thedragondemands5186itvwas total ass but yeah

[@alanpennie8013]

I think they did pretty well with recalcitrant material. Foundation is doing a better job, but it's adapting actual books not appendices.

[@fernandocorona5411]

It was complete shit. Saying anything else implies it could be fixed.

[@Funaru]

I can't get Galadriel's "There is a tempest in me" out of my memory.

[@Shanesawendsley]

Scarface gets remembered because it's memeable

[@cheangizzz]

I think Boba Fett shouldn't get away with being mediocre it's so bad to the point of being evil I hate it like a kid who believed in santa and one night he realized that santa exists, but he's the ugliest and most vile human being that makes everything bad, gives coal to everyone and eats dirty socks.

[@kahlbutomacfarland]

Regarding what makes some movies stick in the public consciousness over others: rewatchability, memeability, cult classic status. It’s like why tweens nowadays walk around in Nirvana shirts and nobody is in soundgarden shirts. You need knowledge of the memes to be cool.

[@PhilHibbs]

You can't compare the SW and LOTR prequel reactions. The Star Wars prequels were George Lucas, so you can't dismiss them as non-canonical franchise-mining by a faceless corporation. As a SW superfan you have no choice other than to love them or hate them, there is no "meh" option.

[@goatmc]

I liked the Phanton Menace. I think the hate for that movie is greatly exaggerated.

[@CATDHD]

As a CIS citizen, I familiarized myself with Star Wars with prequel movies. Then I watched the originals . For me, prequels are exceptionally great sff adventure movies. No way was I fanatic about it and I can absolutely see shrines on Star wars original movies.

[@ghostwolf1435]

I’m with you liked the entire Prequel saga

[@davidshakarisaz6364]

Agreed, loved TPM since day one. This guy is off.

[@ThePalkiaxdialga]

​@@davidshakarisaz6364he really isn't lol George sold off his legacy bcs he realized he fkd it up so bad. Little kids that watched it then love it now for sure

[@davidshakarisaz6364]

@@ThePalkiaxdialga I and many other people who saw it at the movie theaters loved it then, and still love it now :). I find the majority of people who hated it are just going with the narrative and have no substantiattive opinion of their own. If you thought it was terrible, then you need to watch it again. It's okay if its not your favorite, but to call it abysmal is ridiculous, if you feel that way just know that you are wrong ;).

[@Graun]

It was horrible!

[@dailylog4344]

Carmine staying quiet when sopranos was mentioned haha the man has learned!

[@pwnzer33]

"the night was moist..."

[@pwnzer33]

im so glad somebody got that

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

This is such an absurd premise imo. People do indeed forget about bad art. There are levels to bad though. Is this series as bad as The Room? No, but it's still bad.

[@Joasoze]

It was horrible, my daughter managed 40 minutes and gave up. The Phanthom Menace is also horrible. What are you on about???

[@genx7006]

I was expecting Voldemort to return, but he never did. 😔

[@deignt923]

Damn, spoilers

[@elijahbrown9738]

Edit: I was corrected, see below. Brings up fatal attraction mentioning scenes and doesn't mention the Sharon Stone leg cross? Literally the only reason anyone remembers that movie. Edit: for anyone that doesn't know, I think it was the first reveal of a vagina in an R-rated movie .

[@jordanfoos9190]

You're thinking of basic instinct

[@elijahbrown9738]

@@jordanfoos9190 yes. Yes I am. Thanks. I thought about deleting my whole comment, but I'll leave it up so you get the credit you deserve.

[@tracyranger]

Yeah, Fatal Attraction had the famous bunny cooking scene... 🐰 😅

[@DeeCee84]

I thought I was the only one who liked Carlito's Way wayyy more than Scarface. I get it, Scarface is memorable. But, Carlito's Way is just better!

[@PhilHibbs]

17:42 “I can say ‘Enrico Montoya’ and everyone…” ENRICO Montoya??????

[@encantarebelde]

You killed my padre prepare to die!

[@joshhoffman5233]

The boat jumó def stuck with me. Not in a good way. Best scenes imo were the Elrond flip hairdo with the dwarves and not-Gandalf no talking

[@Nordy941]

Platoon is pretty good in my opinion. Definitely remember that one.

[@psevdhome]

EDIT: I listened and the discussion about what gets remembered and it was really interesting. It makes me think: people who love Tolkien's work do think that RoP was bad and still remember it. I give you this analogy: if a catholic person sees when someone walks into St. Peter's basilica in Rome and takes a shit on the altar while the pope is saying mass, you as a catholic will remember such an outrageous insult to something you consider holy. But if you aren't catholic, then that moment is one moment among the shocking moments of the year. But if you aren't then other shocking moments will overtake that, as it's just someone taking a shit. But as a catholic you will find such sacrilege memorable. I am coming back to this after a few months. If you guys had a cursory knowledge of the material that they had the licence to adapt, and the endresult, you would know that as an adaptation of Tolkien's work, this show was awful. I am not accepting contradictions on this point. In the appendices of the Lord of the Rings, which they have the rights to, there is enough material to understand what is going on in the second age, and a story where Sauron is gone for most of the second age does not take place in the book and it is a bafflingly stupid way to adapt the material. As a story it's pretty incoherent and boring, and built around the mystery box of "Where's Sauron, who is he, and what's his plan" instead of being an interesting coherent story about the Rings of Power, you know, the show's title. But it's pretty mediocre. The hobbit plot goes no where and it's an endless cycle of the phrases: "No adventures for us Hobbits" "What about me" "I said no." That's all there is to it. The visuals are really interesting and the beginning credits music plays in my head still, it's really great. Also, in spite of being cringe at times, the relationship of Elrond and Durin is very heartfelt and actually an interesting take on how Elves live so long they forget that they can miss an entire lifestage of another non immortal person. That was some clever writing to be sure. But mostly it is an incoherent mess, with an unlikable protagonist that cannot be saved.

[@psevdhome]

It was worse than the Hobbit movies and misunderstood the source material worse than "The battle of five armies" which replaced story and character moments with empty unbelievable spectacle and *forgot to show what happened to the Arkenstone and the Mountain, the central premise of the whole movie*

[@ZoomReverseFlash]

Hobbit 3 really dropped the ball that was barely held on in the first place. After that I wasn't surprised with "soulless" products.

[@tomstubbs19]

This will just be remembered as a cheap knock off, if anything it’s only propelled the film’s popularity even more. The books are a national treasure and have been accessible for decades, this series existence will have no effect on Tolkiens world and leave it untarnished.

[@kennyhudson9201]

Notoriety is better than not being remembered at all. We all know John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald. We even know their middle names. Yet so many non murderers will never be known or remembered.

[@panzequest-1226]

It had great potential with númenor stuff and Isildur, Arondir, Nori, Adar but never actually delivered. Instead they chose to focus on this whole new petty mean girl galadriel and other characters like theo & bronwyn which was not needed at all

[@gunkulator1]

The hobbit stuff was awful and completely unnecessary

[@YoutubeStandardLicense]

It will never be the thrash fire that was season 8 GOT

[@Galvatronover]

Yep because got was actually good at first then crashed

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

Rings of Power is Water World: It's a generic story made disappointing by how much money they sunk into it.

[@kibamasta]

Yeah, thats the only criticism those "grifters" have, "is bad because black elf and dorf", yall are really smart. Pretending other criticisms don't exist, doesn't make them not exist.

[@lathanandrews417]

Right-Wing Grifters? Conservatives are mad about a black elf? Lol ok It’s simply the story sucked. That’s it. You don’t need to make a strawman argument that it’s due to racism/sexism from the right for the reason the show is criticized. I actually really liked Ismael Cruz Cordova who played Arondir. It’s too bad they didn’t show his story more. I really don’t appreciate anyone trying to somehow use politics to somehow credit/blame the fandom.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

If *you* don't like it because the story sucks that does not make you a grifter. Conservatives, by far, are the ones who complain about this specific topic. The grifters, on the other hand, who do espouse their political beliefs and are almost always right wing, occasionally have reasonable takes but I'm sure we can agree that the diversity, often time ridiculous, is not a major issue to hone in and sit on for a long time. An actual criticism of any media doesn't just focus on ONE issue when there are many others to focus on. Story sucked, characters were boring, music sucked, pacing was bad, cinematography was shite, etc etc....these guys focused, specifically, on the ethnicity of fictional characters. Come on now...

[@squaeman_2644]

​​​​​@@OfficialRedTeamReviewIf Tolkien was alive today he'd be a conservative and you'd probably not like him as a person... This definitely influenced his work but then you have propagandists coming in and changing the soul and spirit of middle earth with lines such as "the past is dead" and throwing in their own woke propaganda. Such as Galadriel and Numenor Queen needing to be a girl boss, or having a male elf named Ryan, which really means "Queen" in elven... so you tell me who really started this whole political side of the argument when RoP literally came out swinging in their superfans video talking about every single damn woke or progressive thing about the show.... ofc these Hollywood weirdos are gonna add their own politics to the show and conservatives will backlash, the actors themselves couldn't stop talking about gender or skin color... so the only grifter here is you...

[@keinlanz]

​@@OfficialRedTeamReview characterizing people who disagree with you on this topic as "right wingers" as though they are some evil tribal "other" makes you part of the problem. There are, in fact, legitimate reasons to have concerns about race swapping and real-world political ideologies being used to change historical works of fiction and it does not automatically make someone right-wing or racist. Those two words are so overused that they don't even mean anything anymore.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

​@@keinlanz Looks like you don't know how to read. Should've stayed in school

[@keinlanz]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview More like you don't know how to think - you have succumbed to ideology and are behaving like a woke simpleton. You can't even handle criticism from people posting on your channel and resort instead to attacking and being generally rude to people going out of their way to watch your videos - super juvenile behavior. Good luck, dude.

[@octapusxft]

Apathy is worse than hate. RoP is in the apathy section. If anyone ever wants to mess with Tolkien canon, they better at least make it very entertaining (like in, the OG movie trilogy, Battle for Middle Earth 2 and Shadow of Mordor/War). RoP seems to have been made by people who hate the sources they have and try to "fix it" like with Witcher. There is also the saying "so bad it is good" but this does not fit RoP

[@ivanalekseev2628]

It wasnt horrible? Man what is your bar for writting and dialog

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Halo (the television show), Picard Season 2, The Room, Battlefield Earth, Mortal Kombat 2: Annihilation.

[@dicknijmegen]

Throw Momma from the Train is an endless parade of Hitchcock Easter eggs (done really well). But it makes its appeal over time kind of tied to the concurrent popularity of Hitchcock movies.

[@CactusJack60]

Waldreg.. the freaking Tavern bar keep.. created mordor.. like wtf 😅

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

you ever hear of Sauron, lad?.....cuz i'm legit his best guy"

[@poppabig31]

I watched the first 15 minutes of the 1st episode and....it broke my heart. Tolkien fans were disappointed because we know the source material and how endearing it is and all we got was some made up bullshit! Im 43 years old! I read the Silmarrilion when I was 18....I had BEEN waiting for this and....This bullshit.....😮‍💨😡🤬Let it die...it's not Tolkien anyway.....

[@tomstubbs19]

The Rings of Power is a disaster it’s soley using Tolkiens world as a foundation to write their own stories and shoehorn in identity politics. Jackson created the films to ensure they put Tolkiens message in to the films, this is why they are so successful because they respect the books.

[@chrisfoye1574]

I didn't mind it. It was definitely a show

[@panzequest-1226]

Definitely one of the shows of all time

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@panzequest-1226 you beat me to it haha

[@thedanielhicks]

Who would win in a fight: The Three Eyed Raven or Sauron?

[@eversor10]

Alexander with Colin Farell is my remembered movie that everyone forgets

[@pl2584]

Scarface is popular because of rap.

[@Galvatronover]

And because of Al Pacino

[@robbypodobinski824]

It was extremely forgettable because it was god awful. It was lotr made by wish

[@andrescalderonsanchez6515]

And that's why I keep telling you to drop ahsoka and review one piece episode by episode because there is nun

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I did discuss one piece, actually. i;ll upload it soon

[@th3ace561]

​@OfficialRedTeamReview 🐐

[@fox2569]

@@OfficialRedTeamReviewOne Piece is peak fiction

[@mgm3649]

The difference between rings of power and phantom menance is thay phantom menace was supposed to be good and rings of power everybody knew it would be a piece of shit. That's why everybody doesn't talk about it. Not even enought people saw it.

[@BruhMoment-mn9kn]

I came across this video on a random autoplay. Frankly I'm glad that Rings of Power is getting forgotten. Good riddance. Also, I am thinking about that dumpster fire again thanks to this video. Damn it!

[@ofrund]

Only point where I disagree is about TPM being bad.

[@mbumtaia8822]

I wouldn’t say three men and a baby is forgotten

[@XarkoCZ]

Give us the meat and give it to us raw.

[@matthew66306]

17:50 You're starting to say 'like' just as much as Preston.

[@FieryReborn]

I liked it. Never knew how many racists were in the lotr fandom until this dropped. They could've criticized anything else but the skin color

[@JulieMoran1832]

The objection of black actors in this show was not due to racism. Tolkien, after all, described Harfoots as ‘brown of skin’ and the Southrons (Haradrim) were darker also. This made perfect sense, considering that the Harfoots were nomadic and lived outside, and the Southrons came from latitudes with more sunlight. That’s how you get darker skin, after all. What people objected to was casting decisions that were made solely for a social agenda (inclusivity) rather than to serve the story. A single black Elf makes no sense. Where did he come from? Is there an entire race of black elves that we don’t know about? How did they get dark skin when Elves were born under the starlight, and they are virtually immortal, meaning that their skin would not develop more melanin to protect them from the sunlight? Nor does it make sense for this adaptation to have occurred among dwarves, who lived most of their lives underground. Again, no sunlight. Sure, this is Fantasy, not science fiction, so it doesn’t have to be 100% scientifically accurate. However, Tolkien went to great pains to ground his fantasy into some realism as some realism grounds fantasy in the viewers (or readers) mind. And when the casting choices undermined this realism for purely social reasons, it is like breaking the fourth wall. It’s just bad storytelling, period. The characters might as well be holding up PETA signs. Middle earth should not be a canvas for you to broadcast your personal politics.

[@fredchung9300]

It was boring. I couldn’t finish episode 3

[@StockpileThomas1]

I've had Baby Yoda ice the other day. It was okay,

[@CATDHD]

There were some things that worked. Things like that bro dwarv-elf relationship, music was fine (but, it felt more star warsy than lotr some times), the whole epicness was visible in settings, camera work and set design . But , it borrowed so much from Jackson movies, copied and stolen lines too. I actually couldn't finish the series , it was so childish to me. The showrunner boys might learn from s1 and s2 be much better.

[@keikun145]

Its still trash. The writing and lines were just lame. it just proves it doesn't matter if you have an industry with billions of dollars. you still cant get it right if the materials are in the wrong hands.

[@samuraioj]

Angry Joe are not right wing and even they hated Rings of Power...Rings of power was very bad.

[@AlexGordonMusic]

I liked Adar, actually. Might be benjen nostalgia.

[@melodymondlicht8905]

once-a-year-lotr-trilogy-reader here (no i'm not grrm). rop didnt stick with me and im not looping back to how bad/good it was bc i quit after seeing ep1. Lotr had its phantom menace with the hobbit movies bc every fan went to see at least the first. tv shows just work differently than movies in that way, bc ppl rarely get out of a movie after the first 15 minutes. as for things that did stick: first scene blessed-realm-bullying and arondir saying that he's been stationed near the village for 70y bc that meant he groomed milf (and her milf possibly) since infancy

[@mitchyG90210]

Baaaaaaad so bad. The brand name is the only thing bringing audiences. Poor writing, boring stories, bland forgettable characters. Good thing because this show will be forgotten and cancelled. Doubt itll survive its second season

[@maiqedekthorellan9745]

Throw mama from the train . Love that movie got my first teenage handy at that movie in theater ahh childhood memories lol.

[@DavidTMSN]

So many missed opportunities.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯💯

[@panzequest-1226]

True

[@berzerkbankie1342]

Phantom Menace might be my favorite SW movie.

[@JacobTemplar]

Tokyo vice is a good show no one is really talking about. Same with what we do in the shadows

[@wisdommanari6701]

This just your patreon carmine

[@ferdinanddolle6358]

dont you talk about bad seasons/episodes of shows you liked at some point? Whats the point in talking about a bad show that was always bad. I disagree with the idea that because people are not talking about Rings its not bad but only mid.

[@everit6682]

And youactually thought it wasnt that bad xd

[@leonardoastros]

People is still talking about it

[@youngmaddogg5230]

Scarface is what it is because of gangsta rap. Listen to any Jay-Z album.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I'm sure thats part of it

[@youngmaddogg5230]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview not part of it, that IS the reason. NWA, Nas, Biggie the list goes on.

[@lathanandrews417]

Look at I Know What You Did Last Summer. There are a ton of better teen slasher films. Yet somehow (with the exception of the Scream franchise), IKWYDLS sticks in the cultural zeitgeist. It had 2 sequels, a tv show, and an upcoming reboot/remake with Jennifer Love Hewitt and Freddie Prince Jr. reprising their roles.

[@richardmaccarthy101]

Foundation season 2 has been great, and season one was quite meh - maybe even more problematic than rings of power too. So there's hope!

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Foundation is a great sci-fi show that most people aren't watching

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@OfficialRedTeamReview It's sad. Season 1 had its problems but 2 has been firing on all cylinders. Even Gaal is pretty solid now.

[@kitkat6959]

I thought he was kidding when he said right wing grifters... you know that's what people say about you guys too, right?

[@maesterdrew8606]

What kinds of stuff are you guys watching that’s worse than Rings of Power?? 🤣 ROP was some of the worst tv I’ve ever watched and not because it was “woke”. Every aspect of it was terrible aside from a few nice CGI shots

[@King_Mac80]

It's better to be bad and remembered than to be average and forgotten. Batman Forever was a decent movie and Val Kilmer was a good Batman but the movie was mid so no one speaks about it but EVERYONE talks about George Clooney and Batman and Robin. Also Preston is insane Scarface is amazing.

[@fateagle4life]

Rings of Power was not something you went to the theater and saw. It wasn’t a destination situation like the SW Prequals. It was easy to view which makes it seem less important. Star Wars is a much bigger franchise than Middle Earth.

[@Hochspitz]

I haven't watched a single episode of Rings of Power and not because of the bad reviews, rather just because my thinking was, "Eh? How do you this?" I also thought pretty much the same of HOTD, yet I did watch and mostly enjoyed. All the Star Wars stuff, well, yeah.... I can understand why you chaps talk about American stuff. There is so much more out there.

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

i barely see anyone complaining about black actors. I also don’t get why someone is right wing because they don’t like a show. The main issue with that show has nothing to do with black dwarves.

[@mostlytoasty801]

First!!! Also talk about krakens actually being giant bloodthirsty weirwood roots!!!

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

wat

[@cstevenross]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[@Alexxandalu010]

I still have not got an engaging experience from the lotr as a whole franchise. The story is too predictable. Good vs bad . Good is entirely good . Bad is entirely bad.

[@Galvatronover]

Wow that’s like 80% of media Gonna tell me you don’t like anything with that trope

[@nullakjg767]

All the big fans of LOTR died during covid. Its a boomer series.

[@Galvatronover]

Wow COVID killed that many people because to my understanding I’m still seeing tons of people online talking about it and people are still among reaction vids to the triolgy

[@nullakjg767]

@@Galvatronover Look, LOTR was popular because it was basically the first fantasy series. Its way outdated and been replaced by countless more. Obviously there are a still a few fans, but you have no idea how big LOTR used to be compared to how utterly insignificant it is now. Starwars at least made an effort to get a new generation of fans and it paid off even if its terrible in quality. Truth is LOTR doesnt generate nearly the same amount of buzz. Even if the show was a great adaption, I cant imagine it would appeal to many new fans.

[@dresdun]

its so popular to hate on rings of power. listen, i thought it would suck. but it was great. and a lot better than HOTD imo

[@Rakonax]

True, and tbh. i litereally forgot HotD existed

[@MrNordicnicklas]

Like What? LMAO 😂

[@panzequest-1226]

Bro what you smoking

[@Rakonax]

@@panzequest-1226 he's tellin the truth, even as a bug GoT fan i literally forgot HotD exsted for several months

[@SteveOnTheEastCoast]

Criticism equals Right-wing views... Yawn 🥱 C'mon Carmine. Rant at 3:20 Tokenism is pandering. If it's done at the cost of adequate story beats and character development it delves into the realm of 'liberal racism'. I.e. Representation within a creative medium that is out of context and/or misleading to the point of actual racist paternalism of the 'other' (or out-group)

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Because they are grifters. You can criticize something without being a racist piece of trash. They know their audience are right wing incels and they cater to it. Nothing wrong with calling it out

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

I normally don't like to feed the trolls, but this comment is just hilariously delusional. "At the cost of adequate story beats and character development." I'm imagining these writers being like "Fuck! I have to switch the dwarf to being black?!?! Oh my god, that'll take forever! How on earth will I ever write that?!?!? We have a deadline! Now I wont be able to find the time to write a good story! Damnit! If only the dwarf were white! IF ONLY THE DWARF WERE WHITE!"

[@skog4437]

They could have made it work much more smoothly though, when you have a small Very insular group it makes sense that most of them would be recognisable, like the people of Rohan are different to the people of Gondor, they're all Human, but they are distinct. Disa was a good character by most accounts, but without a beard, was she really a dwarf? There were bearded dwarf ladies as extras, but not a main character, they could have done more with the numenorians without as much controversy as they're not as visually established as the elves or the dwarves or hobbits, but all of this is superficial, when the writing was mid at best and weak at worst, not even Bad, just forgettable. And Tokenism is still bigotry, I wouldn't want to get a job just because I'm disabled, to tick a box for someone else

[@panzequest-1226]

​@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin😂

[@DoubleO88]

@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Ya'll are just as bad as the 'grifters' you complain about, a fan wanting a character to resemble how they look in the source material doesn't make them racist I saw someone upset Galadriel wasn't the right height she's supposed to be, ya'll gonna say he's heightest? What? I'm black, I like things being adapted to be AUTHENTIC and yes that includes visual aesthetics as well as character and story. People are allowed to be upset if a character or race in a story doesn't have the right skin tone just like they would be if they don't have the right hair colour or even eye colour. It doesn't automatically mean they are racist. Especially when you know the race swap casting decisions are done for just as much of a grift, if not more, as the people on youtube are complaining about it. For representation purposes put some work in, for Game of Thrones show the actual CULTURE, use summer islanders, show the actual characters who actually have to LIVE being black and are not just aesthetically black, that's not representation of us, that's just a white person created from an historically white perspective doing white european things but has darker skin, that does not represent black people, that represents a white person painted black. Tired of this lazy ass virtue signalling feigning as progressive representation, borderline ACTUALLY racist and ignorant. Black Panther is black representation, Blade an original black character is black representation, a black Hobbit that was created to be based on white British people that lives in medieval fantasy England is not. It takes me out of it just as much as a Game of Thrones character suddenly having a strong American accent, why is this concept so hard to comprehend is it because when black/minorities are involved its easier to throw racism accusations rather than addressing the genuine criticisms? I truly believe part of why a lot of these projects are failing recently is because Hollywood today is more concerned with how their projects are perceived politically than if they are telling a compelling, believable, immersive and interesting story that makes us think, instead their priority has become telling us what think and wanting to tick boxes that fit current day trends. Strong female character: check POC 50 to 60% representation without any rhyme or reason or effort: check LGBT representation without any rhyme or reason or effort: check in the 90's and 2000's It was cool to be edgy and rage against the machine, so most entertainment reflected that for better or worse today, it's to have a soap box and be political now, just without most of the talent or effort to make it work.