The Sad Truth About Turkesterone

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Turkesterone has been getting a lot of traction lately, largely thanks to its heavily marketing for being potentially the next big supplement rivaling steroids and testosterone. As dandy as that sounds, what does the research actually say about turkesterone (an ecdysteroid) and its impact on muscle growth and strength?
Let's dig a bit further about this interesting supplement, which isn't exactly as new as we believe it is (ecdysterone is a similar popular ecdysteroid). Does turk deserve the hype it has been getting?
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[@PictureFit]

If you disagree, which is totally cool, let me know what you think!

[@gradientO]

I disagree... Wait i haven't watched the video yet

[@PictureFit]

@@gradientO You'll be surprised how often that actually happens!

[@jchong0701]

@@PictureFit Being a channel promoting health and fitness to a large diverse audience, why is your main slogan get your protein? A very small minority of your viewers are and ever will be protein deficient nor will they benefit noticeably from an increase in their current protein intake, especially from a health standpoint- assuming that most of your viewers will get their protein from meat and processed foods/supplements. As a consequence, it becomes a missed opportunity cost to getting something that a vast majority of American is truly deficient in such as fibre and antioxidants. Unless you're targeting a very niche population such as competitive level bodybuilders who need every edge in their nutrition for muscle mass or a burn survivor patient in the hospital with strict nutrient intake for wound healing, how about revising your slogan to something more beneficial for the majority? I also find it quite hypocritical of you to always say it depends when giving recommendations and suggestions, but you're confident in giving this "get your protein" recommendation to your entire audience. When in fact your slogan should definitely not be taken as health advice if your viewers, for example, are in the 15% category of Americans with kidney disease. I hope you won't delete my comment and say "happy holidays" while refusing to provide any relevant counter arguments like you did on your previous video.

[@PictureFit]

@@jchong0701 Jacky, please feel free to reread our previous discussions. Nothing's changed.

[@user-mp2ks8nt2q]

@@jchong0701 I think you are way over thinking things lol

[@Matt-dp7ze]

Wait, you’re telling me that Turkesterone ISN’T testosterone from a turkey?

[@Hoopfan83]

That's not what they're saying. They're saying it is and it works.

[@hulkchicken]

Yeah man, if you're taking Turk. You're technically part turkey. Which makes you a descendant of the mighty Tyrannosaurus Rex. You are a KING.

[@hcildwold1751]

Government wants you to turn into a turkey

[@Hoopfan83]

@@hulkchicken no. Not at all. It turn you into Hedo Turkoglu.

[@esmokems]

I know right. I was way off too.

[@CaptainPIanet]

As someone who went through grad school and learned how to read research, you're doing all the right things and accurately describing what conclusions can be made to what degree of certainty. Great work! The world of fitness media need more people like you.

[@saitammar]

Not gonna lie, being a PhD student and saw those "we need more data and research" make me think if I should try the research in bodybuilding some day, but currently my PhD is in Theoretical Computer Science instead lol.

[@chriscoombs160]

@@saitammar I feel it I just got my PhD in molecular genetics but it's tough to get enough funding for alot of needed research. Since it's basically a loss of money for investors and might hurt the supplement industry so research gets limited. Lol that being said I do eant to do some research involving bodybuilding

[@nathan-498]

How? He didn’t even show a single study testing turkesterones effects. He showed two studies explicating ecdysterone, a different compound than turkesterone.

[@ViSaint]

Totally agreed, as a medical doctor I approve this comment.

[@Michael-pl2kr]

Yeah but did you go to grad school?

[@jesusgonzalez9930]

I took turkesterone for a week and gained 70lbs of muscle dropped down to negative 3% bodyfat and can now bench press a fiat, also i can float 1 ft above the ground

[@johannduplessis3467]

Superman woosh

[@Foxx3K]

How many pills did you take per day?

[@kanyeyeastinfection3613]

@@Foxx3K hi take half a pill, I find them too filling so I save the other half for later

[@daniellovesosrs]

Lies.

[@rayfrazier3188]

I agree with johann...superman b.s.....muscle doesn't synthesize that fast...I've taken everything under the sun..evedn sarms the only thing that I've taken is that come cose is real equipoise..straight from the vet which i gained 16pounds in 1 week..which is probably water weight anyways...I've tried several different brand of turk the most i#from turk was 3 pounds...after 12 weeks..it's a good cleaned susbstance so far..but will see.....

[@tonyrico9335]

I’m 50 years old and have been training since I was 16. I’ve taken everything including gear. The best way I can explain Turkesterone is it’s like a low dose of a steroid such as Anavar or Primobolan. You aren’t going to get huge on it like you would with something like Tren or Anadrol. But you will get good strength, nice lean dry gains, good vascularity, improved cardio and improved recovery. I ran Turkesterone in a caloric deficit. In two months I lost 10 pounds but my strength increased and my shoulders and legs got bigger. No placebo effect those types of results simply don’t happen unless you are taking something like a steroid. This stuff is a godsend for people that don’t want to have the side effects from steroids. I will say unless you are absolutely working your ass off in the gym with intensity and are on point with your nutrition this stuff will do absolutely nothing for you! If you go to the gym and spend 90 percent of your workout on your phone save your fucking money! If you are new to lifting stick with creatine and protein powder. But if you have been training consistently for years give this a shot!

[@mylestails]

How many mg were you taking per day? Also what brand please? Thanks

[@danielmclaren170890]

Im nearly 4 weeks on turk and am also running a caloric deficit and are experiencing exactly what youre saying. Not only my legs and shoulders are growing but everything is. Ive never done steroids though . I feel great and nonsode effects so far

[@danielmclaren170890]

Oh one side effects has been stubborn strong pimples on my face but that could be due to hormonal changes from the calorie deficit but who knows. The body is a crazy thing

[@jdogballer23]

What brand are you running?

[@ryanscanlan9875]

What dose and what brand please. Seemingly they are crucial to the equation.

[@johannduplessis3467]

I don't understand why people keep saying they look similar in structure. A slight change in the structure in an element can have massive effects.

[@magnusspeed8774]

Exactly, it's like when some say that Adderall is crystal meth.

[@uhAmazed]

@@magnusspeed8774 it is

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

@@magnusspeed8774 that's a bad example lol. They are pretty similar

[@nemapauze]

@@uhAmazed it isnt aderall is an amphetamine or speed and meth is methamphetamine they give you differemt experiences

[@nemapauze]

@@somethingginterestingg4275 they are similar in structure but not in effect

[@toob_shoob1324]

😭😭😭 my Turkish friend had to get grinded down and turned into Turkesterone, I still miss him😭.

[@olkid]

I was incredibly sceptical of turkestorone. I was also stuck in multiple plateaus across a variety of lifts - I've trained naturally for around 7 years, implemented consistent progressive overload, had a (mostly) good diet, and optimised sleep etc. So I was at the point where I was just trying to eek out any 0.5% improvement from absolutely anything I could. With keeping other variables the same, turkestorone supplementation has made a noticeable difference in strength across various lifts (I track each set/rep religiously, and have done for some time now). Maybe it's just placebo. But whether it's placebo or the compound itself, the outcome has been favourable.

[@savagesquidy7319]

if you’re a natural lifter i’m sure you’ve tried creatine as well, how would u compare the two ?

[@davidj3799]

@@savagesquidy7319 I saw a report about TURKESTRONE research, which includes that this supplement is really good for who has been sturggling gaining muscles as enough as doing workout even tho with creatin. Thus I think TURKESTRONE is just an another step for who has been stopped currently. I recommand who needs a new step.

[@mielgrasosa9295]

@@savagesquidy7319 i thnik that creatine has more healt benefits and is like a kind of pre-workout in the sence that replenishes the ATP of the muscles faster, and the water retention part makes your muscles harder It seam turkesteron (judging by what the coment section says) acts like a slight esteroid, the result might be more noticable in people that hit their max natural limit

[@aboodhart1399]

@@mielgrasosa9295 if this is true and it does work then its being marketed to the wrong people, i mean no 16 year old with 1 and a half years of experience I.E me or anyone has in that range has reached there max for natural gains so it should be marketed at the experienced lifters but it seems to have only sparked a interest in the younger lifter community my grandfather and my whole mother side of family are body builders who have taken lots of different anabolic the older ones have taken mostly just tren and test and the younger ones are experimenting with sarms so my question is, does having a genetic tree full of people who have taken anabolic have anything to d with my muscle growth? the reason im asking this is cuz i have 4 gym friends that i go with and we have almost the same diet and the exact same workout plan and we started the same time but my growth has been leaps ahead of them my pr is 180kg on deadlifts where there's is 120kg and this is just a trend for everything else like my bench and all my strength plus i am more lean them them with the same weight but more muscle so im starting to wonder if the fact that my father, grandfather and my moms side also taking steroids has effected my genetics in a way

[@bigl260]

@@aboodhart1399 nop just better genetics thats probably also why your parents kept on lifting. By that I mean that people with better genetics for lifting tend to have more fun because of the progress they see and tend to stick to lifting for a longer time.

[@iamjoshl]

The fact that Ecdysterone is on the WADA watchlist makes it more credible to the fact that it would boost performance and lean tissue mass.

[@ossie1129]

Waiting for Greg Doucette commenting: How do you know it doesn't work? Have you tried it yourself?

[@dntfckme]

Only commenting? Man he gonna make a whole video reacting on this and yell his lungs out 😀😀

[@Shape_studioz]

Researching harder than last time

[@ryanrayner610]

He's skeptical on turkesterone too, granted he's selling it, albeit he's also on the gray area on it

[@MaestrodoxUK]

Greg's lost all credibility, the last straw was him coming for vitruvian physique.

[@dwightredwood4586]

Well MPMD has done a ton of research into Turkesterone. I recommend watching his videos on Turk as well. I am about start my Turk cycle this week. So we will see in thenend...

[@ninja1man4u]

*Greg doucette has entered the chat* picture fit spewing more facts than last time!!

[@osuk1]

Greg is a huckster.

[@chimpy_chi]

Not just Greg. There's a whole bunch of our mucsley boys that jumped in and now affiliates, selling the stuff

[@WooBunny]

Seems to work well for plateau'd naturals and old lifters like me. People who don't want to invest and keep the demand/price lower is a good thing because I really enjoy the clarity of mind, setting PRs, and hair growth. Great stuff.

[@texican512]

Or maybe you got a genuine product? You may also be a hyper responder

[@d3adm3a78]

Bro, you are not natural anymore. You just took something exogenously that seems to work on your androgen receptor. There are human variants of turkesterone called testosterone which work quite well and the data on it is very reputable. PS ; sorry for a long pun.😉

[@WooBunny]

@@texican512 I got the cheap stuff off Amazon. But use Bioprene and Ashwagandha too. It’s much less on the wallet

[@Sirkky1]

@@d3adm3a78 turkesterone doesn't bind to the androgen receptor? Idk if I miss read what u have said but If he just took turk he's still natty

[@Sirkky1]

@@d3adm3a78 Didn't read the last bit my bad

[@AmazingReeTclan]

I’ve said it already but it is so refreshing to hear the true scientific research about certain topics instead of just opinions and ‘empirical evidence’ Keep up the fantastic work !

[@PictureFit]

Thank you!

[@MartijnMols]

I think you meant anecdotal evidence.

[@SoulDelSol]

Empirical evidence is scientific research

[@benhall2235]

Empirical evidence is the gold standard. Why wouldn’t you want that?

[@PuppetMasterdaath144]

Smart people remember that the dummies will upvote other dummies.

[@ThisIsGers]

Been taking Turk for about 3 months now and I can definitely tell you I feel a difference when it comes to recovery.

[@urameshi1962]

@@simtelefon Whether or not you’re wrong, you still benefit from placebo effects.

[@268NA_Impreza]

I’m 6 weeks in and I’m down for that placebo 💪🏼

[@Arkhs]

From what it sounds like looking at other comments. Its not that you recover faster, its that you take less damage. Which I'm not entirely sure is a good thing. Sounds like less myonuclei donation to me. However if you take less damage doing the same lift then it explains why you can push harder.

[@suckdickkhan2808]

Nah I been on rad140 for the same amount of time but am on cloud 9 when it comes to motivation and drive to the gym and actually lifting

[@steveharper5368]

thats what increases muscle size

[@austinunraw1954]

Cadence, energy and delivery make it super easy to follow and stay engaged in the video and retain the information being presented. Great content

[@stevengrimes371]

Been taking 500mg of Turkesterone a day and taking 5grams of spinach extract (High in ecdysterone) on training days for about 3months, seems to to work extremely well when taken together in high dosages. Like every week I'm setting a PR in one exercise or another. Took about a week to start kicking in.

[@francescoghezzo98]

Where did you find the spinach extract?

[@stevengrimes371]

@@francescoghezzo98 bulk supplements

[@kenny7209]

Do you monitor your blood work?

[@ryanscanlan9875]

What brand please?

[@xXfunk36Xx]

@@ryanscanlan9875 gorillamind it’s a KZbinrs supplement site but everything he has on there is better than anything you’ll find anywhere else

[@komradenikolai]

Dude. I took Turkesterone and Ecdysterone Beta. I hit Several new PRs. My squat went from a Plateau of 275 for 1 rep to 315 for 3. Deadlift went up from 365 for 2 reps to 405 for 4 reps, and benchpress went from 225 for 2 reps to 235 for 4. I got Powerful, even painful pumps, and I gained 5 pounds of lean tissue without increasing my body fat percentage. I even got sick inbetween my cycle and stopped using it for a week and a half with 0 side effects.

[@BrysonGarcia]

Send the link bro bro

[@BrysonGarcia]

Also how many mg a day?

[@genwarfare]

I use it and have seen faster recovery and strength gain . Thankyou for covering this.

Same better sleep recovery strength ,weight gain a lot fuller before a was suffering in all things so wtf 😒

[@ESKATEUK]

I’m going to give my honest opinion, I took turkesterone for 2 months. Along with creatine and a good diet. I’ve been back into training hard for about 14 months now, but when I was on turkesterone I felt like I had incredibly fast recovery between sets, and was super setting nearly everything because of the energy levels I had. I also progressed fairly quickly on some exercises exercises like chest and shoulders that I have always been a bit weaker on. Now this could be placebo, there is no way to be certain, but I can hand on heart say that in the 9 years of training i have done on and off, I’ve never felt like that in the gym before. It’s interesting really.

[@Propraj]

People won't believe you. Just like fanboys we have haters and they won't listen.

[@ESKATEUK]

@@Propraj yeah well it’s up to them at the end of the day. If they don’t want to believe me that’s fine. I’d have no reason to lie, maybe some will give it a go like I did and also get the same results/benefits. I’ve noticed no negative side effects from taking it, so no reason not to give them another go.

[@SA-is3rs]

@@ESKATEUK did it affect your test level or sex drive?

[@NilsDeMarcus]

no signs of acne?

[@ESKATEUK]

@@NilsDeMarcus nothing more than usual, I’ve always had a few spots on my chest and back

[@peterj-s6421]

I like your focus on "needing more data". The correct conclusion based on poor statistics is still wrong.

[@PictureFit]

The 2019 study methodology was surprisingly thorough, just that the data didn't make much sense when they realized that the supps were pretty trash. Not really the researcher's fault on that one but yep, more data will be awesome.

[@peterj-s6421]

@@Dimitris_Half only wrong in the sense that a definitive conclusion cannot be made based on the available data, correct or not.

[@lecks182]

I saw that dude Greg Doucette promote this thing. Now I get a reliable source.

[@BasedChadman]

* Douchette

[@Dilly_Dil1y]

This stuff does not work.

[@lecks182]

@@Dilly_Dil1y I'm not buying it. I only recently started to take whey protein because of my food intake not being enough.

[@boomerphysics778]

@@Dilly_Dil1y it varies from person, I had good effects where my friend did not

[@aj1379]

Waiting for Greg to make a video on this tomorrow lol

[@Woodehs]

the real question is its been almost 2 years since derek/3dalpha made their videos on this, why has no one decided to do a study on it for all this time

[@thegodhimself9948]

It requires a lot of capital, and takes a long time

[@privard89]

It's because they know it's garbage and they are making a lot of cash buy showing anecdotal evidence or paying guys to take gear and say it was turk.

[@zeppkfw]

@@privard89 Honestly it would make them more cash to fund a research to make ecdy or turk to be amazing. I don’t buy your reasoning it’s pretty dimb

[@jayfountainsm.d.3651]

I’d love to start a study on this, would need a companies support though. Trials aren’t free and few research organizations would fund this😓

[@johncalla2151]

If you read around you'll see that some supplement companies have run studies on this stuff and they never released the results because... well... you guessed it.

[@FlashX212]

Something I've learned is that Protein powder has a lot of good use for substituting sugar in sweet baked dishes

[@ImOriginallyGreen]

Yeah I’m just going to stick protein and creatine. Also multivitamin and fish oil for general health

[@exidrial431]

That's all you'll ever really need

[@jananilcolonoscopu4034]

Multivitamins are generally superfluous and possibly unhelpful in some cases

[@paule.2687]

Protein and caffeine for me, no creatine tho I like my hair

[@RonWonkers]

@@paule.2687 creatine does not cause baldness..

[@paule.2687]

@@RonWonkers there's nothing to correct because I didn't say creatine cause baldness, it does however accelerate the process IF you have genetic background which I do

[@Lazyboijere]

I have been taking Turkesterone for 6 months. I have not had notable strength gains. I have reached my heaviest weight while maintaining visible muscles. However, I have changed my workout split and have been more consistent with it. The one effect I can't really explain is increased facial hair.

[@bayansafi5539]

Hi there please reply .did it really worked for u?i mean i would love if it help with my facial hair.i am training since last 5 years .but i am very hard gainer. I was thinking of TRT

[@hassanabdellatief5290]

It's nice that ur covering this topic

[@kurakuson]

I took Turkesterone, and after 3 months of use, my beard grew over 2 inches and my patches filled in completely. So, I'm on board.

[@bayansafi5539]

Really it helps with beard bro?

[@imberrysandy]

Thank you so much for all your videos! I just passed my Personal Trainer certification exam, and your videos are great supplement material to my textbooks! 🤙🏽❤ excited to see the next topic!

[@adudeontheweb0]

Congratulations dude "we're all gonna make it"

[@gambitxe]

The lack of a mechanism is in my humble opinion the scariest part. At least with anabolics, you can have some idea of what potential feedback loops you're inhibiting. If Turkesterone does act on hormonal feedback loops, I feel like people are just asking for trouble by mindlessly ingesting it

[@PictureFit]

I think it's fair to point out that in terms of toxicity, ecdy at the prescribed totals have seem quite safe. That said, more data of course would be nice :)

[@olkid]

From what I've read, the proposed mechanism of action is agonism of the estrogen beta receptor.

[@PASTORGainzzz]

Possibly mtor activation

[@Primal391]

Through many blood tests at least no issue has been found. Do a search on you tube and people go over the bloods and they see no changes.

[@bayror2929]

We do know the mechanism of action and the bloodwork shows that there’s no hormonal changes

[@kastle1972]

Everyone is different, not everything works for everyone. I have been using Turk & Ecdy since I got off Sarms & I'm loving it.

[@denislabelle3853]

I took 1000mg a day of turkesterone for 5 months. I noticed a increase in sex drive. I blasted through my max lifts,lost weight in fat around my waist which I struggled with since I am genetically prone to put fat on my belly. I had great results.

[@trevorbaker7168]

What's your promo code bro?

[@hanma3291]

nice copypasta

[@denislabelle3853]

I had good results on turkesterone. Just sharing my experience. I'm not selling anything

[@kryptoniterocks8245]

I agree it def makes you more horny.. Also temper span is little more edgy with it I noticed..

[@joelforonda5086]

What brand are you taking?

[@xjet]

Placebo Forte is my supplement of choice!

[@josemaita2019]

Highly effective

[@someguy666]

8:05 what is your daily regiment/supplements? Would love to see a video on that :)

[@NovaCascade]

So, my take away from this is. They ruled out Turk in 2006 then did another study in 2019 which was ambiguous enough, then now we have fitness influencers for about a year give or take shilling for Turkesterone. Too much of a coincidence to be honest.

[@penedrador]

People always chase for the next easy route that brings them further in fitness. Hard and smart training, good eating, enough rest and sleep are the most crucial things in fitness. You can supplement with protein and creatine and some pre workouts but nobody NEEDS that to get fit. All the other snake oil is just that: a marketing push to sell cheap supps for big prices

[@raDIO6931]

anecdotally, it looks like it does help with older lifters, who plateaued. when younger people take it and see improvement you always have to ask if it's just from natural progression. and yeah basically half the people, who take it says it works, half the people say it doesn't. we simply need more evidence. I sure hope and want it to work

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

I bought a bottle to delude myself into training harder lol.

[@Andrea-te9id]

one of the best sources of information in this whole industry - keep it up big man love from uk

[@PictureFit]

Thanks Andrea!

[@CloudCrash]

There definitely needs to be more research done on the subject. I tried turkesterone from MPMD for a month and did find a noticeable increase in strength. It mainly increased my pressing movements and I was able to PR a couple times in the month after a long plateau (4.5 years into lifting at this point btw). It didn’t affect my lower body movements as much but I did feel stronger on them but it could have been a placebo or something else. I also felt more energetic in my striking sport but that could have been a placebo, who knows. So I don’t know if it will work for everyone but it probably will work for most people, just don’t expect a miracle or for it to be as good as androgenic steroids without the sides. If you’re already taking your lifting, dieting, sleep, and supplements seriously, and feel like you want to get over a plateau or to just give it a try then go for it if you have the money. Also be careful where you get it from as yeah a lot of brands are mostly filler. To add on to the mechanism too, there appears to be a big difference in action between ER-alpha and ER-beta, with the former being linked to more traditionally observed estrogenic effects while the latter appears to be mainly linked to the preservation of nervous and muscle tissue and has similar effects in both genders.

[@nifemifatoye]

Did you change up your training when you took the supplements though?

[@cadeclark1]

I also to mpmd turk and trained actually less and increased in strength. By buddy on test got off test and on Greg doucettes, and kept his strength when cycling off

[@ep331]

Same here been lifting around 5 years hit a few plateaus and since taking Turk manage to hit some new PR on pressing movements. Beyond that I didn’t notice any other effects besides a very slight increase in strength.

[@Milstache_Productions]

I’m on week two and I got weaker in Bench, I was hitting RPE 9 way too fast LOL. But that’s probably bc my program is Squat focused

[@tae6225]

@@cadeclark1 maybe u needed the rest and maybe that's why ur strength increased

[@MikeColley]

I'm currently taking 4 of the HTLT caps per day as I got a really good deal on them and will run it for about 6 months and see what I think afterward. No planned changes in diet or workout other than normal small increases in weightload if/when I feel like I can progress up. So far it's been one month and I've had no huge effects from what I can tell (positive or negative). At most I expect it will have as much effect on me as creatine does (minor but noticeable). Anyway, we'll see at the end but the main point is that there absolutely does need to be a lot more true scientific research done, not just folks like me relying on our anecdotal evidence.

[@limitedoak8336]

Whilst anecdotal evidence isn't the best option Mike, the way you're doing it is the best way to gather it imo. The problem with other anecdotal evidence is that usually people's decision to take Turk is part of a larger decision to make a more concentrated effort towards increases size and mass where they eat in a surplus which it in itself will increase their strength and muscle mass

[@arianadonis4099]

@@limitedoak8336 that's still not everyone, as I eat less than 2000 calories a day and about 120g of protein (not even a gram per body weight as im about 185 or so) and I put on muscle using Turk in 4 weeks. But I'm not advertising or telling people to buy it...just saying it works for ME.

[@ggod4185]

Works for me. Def recover faster

[@unlisted9494]

KEEP IN MIND that there's more than just turk in the htlt ones.

[@kaihyem5710]

Currently doing the exact same thing Mike. Bought 5 bottles as an impulse purchase figuring "why not, I'll give it a try". Nothing else has changed about my diet or training. Progressive overload etc. I've almost finished bottle number 2 and there has been strength gains. But I can't be completely certain that's not just purely from progressive overload training. But what I can say is that my recovery has been better to a degree that I've actually noticed. Which I believe also has allowed me to push harder during workouts. So far I'm satisfied with my purchase. I didn't go into this with unreasonable expectations.

[@robertauclair2278]

I've been training for 30 years and remember hearing about turk and ecdysteroids back in the 90's. All these years later and we're still waiting for more research? 🙄 Think it's safe to say this research is never going to come.

[@gregdoucette]

Waiting for derek to make a response video but expecting everyone to say greg this and greg that. Am I right?

[@PictureFit]

I've counted at least 15 Gregs and only a handful of Dereks. The people love you Greg.

[@coreya2566]

Hey I have your back Greg!

[@jananilcolonoscopu4034]

@@PictureFit "love". Don't forget the quotation marks

[@gregdoucette]

@@PictureFit love and hate yes lol. The turk info is 100% True. We don’t have enough scientific evidence yet support saying that it definitely helps the way the creatine does. We mostly have anecdotal evidence. And so people don’t want to use it because there’s not enough evidence yet and that 100% makes sense to me I was 100% sceptical as in I said maybe it works maybe it doesn’t until I tried it myself and it wasn’t until then which only happens late 2021 that I was convinced of its effectiveness

[@twicon87]

On those placebo polls for a week and i see crazy difference on my workouts🤷‍♂️

[@sanchezzz69420]

as a specie we have our DNA be the same by a 99.9% but even the 0.01% that might make us different is a big difference. I tried turkesterone for about 3 weeks and my time running got much better added alot of reps to my sets and recovered very, very fast. That's it for me. I got bigger, leaner muscles for the time being.

[@scottr.looney1774]

as a semi dedicated home fitness enthusiast well over 50 years old, working out 2-3 times a week who has tried a SARM or two, i can say definitively that the Turkesterone definitely moved the needle in a positive direction after a 12 week run. i ramped up to 200mg per day over 12 weeks. i'm not a gym rat and probably never will be - my diet is healthy but not bodybuilder on point, and i take vitamins and a variety of herbal test boosters and supps like Creatine, fenugreek, citrulline, BCAAs etc. but the turk gave me energy and increased strength and improved body definition. most importantly after going off of it now for nearly 6 weeks i continue to see small gains though the definition is beginning to fade a bit. just one example - i was doing roughly 12 body weight pull-ups before turk on a strong day, now i can do 11 reps with 20 pounds strapped to me. that to me is a significant increase in strength. i can now handle 9 reps at 50 lbs dumbbell curls neutral grip where i was managing maybe 4 max previously. if you're on 'gear' this is a very mild gain amount over 12 weeks, but for me it motivated me to keep doing it in a period where my routine was slacking and my strength was falling. so this stuff is a definite win for me. just wanted to have an opinion from a less hardcore bodybuilder to throw in there.

[@foxdogs1st]

I just think something that's been around since 1968 would have some research and some basis for use other then just to remarket it as something groundbreaking. Most supplements do very little to nothing. This is why people turn to drug use to meet unrealistic goals.

[@Stalinshounds]

I first heard this from Team 3D Alpha then MPMD. Based on some anecdotes, it makes ya a little stronger for natty lifters.

[@limitedoak8336]

If it truly had any anabolic effects they wouldn't apply solely to natural lifters. And as good as the majority of Derek's content is usually, his discussions of Turk need to be taken with a large grain of salt given he's selling the stuff

[@jonijokunen3542]

Based on anecdotes, aliens routinely abduct people and Bigfoot and Loch Ness monster are real. That's why anecdotes are essentially worthless, especially when money is involved

[@lucrentrisastolo6862]

@@limitedoak8336 if you’ve actually listened to what he said he never really hyped the product up or anything, he’s actually very real with what the product is gonna be like, as like it’s probably a 3 or 4 out of ten supplement and it’s a really hit or miss of a supplement too.

[@sanchezzz69420]

Gregg and Derek have a leg on this market. Of course they will promote it. Silly goose.

[@atrumluminarium]

Derek doesn't really promote it that much from what I've seen. I think it's only mentioned in 7 videos max(?) and he explicitly says to not expect much. He also sells ecdysterone on his other company's store which he never even promotes and most people don't even know about. Not saying this to defend him, just my observation. Greg on the other hand... Jesus fucking Christ... He's like those sales infomercials from the 2000s after every fucking video. Frankly I hope his company gets sued tbh.

[@sanchezzz69420]

@@atrumluminarium yeah, i agree with you. Derek has a more conservative approach. I support both. Ngl.

[@TogaTig]

I've been taking turkesterone 3 capsules a day for the last two months and my recovery has been amazing, definitely feel the difference.

[@luisguzman6046]

This is the same for me, I think ppl sleep on Turk, some people need this

[@jontoland3491]

I've been talking 2 a day. And it is making a tremendous difference!

[@indianoutlaw799]

Ive been taking 6 capsules a day for weeks and strength has gone up. Will possibly up the dose in future to see what happens

[@longschlongjohnson6470]

Real placebo effect shit going on in this comment section

[@TogaTig]

@@longschlongjohnson6470 it’s not placebo

[@pedrob7374]

I have been working out for 2 years now (I don't count 2020 because....well...stayed home ) and I'm using Turk now, nothing else changed, same work out format that I have been using for months.... I can see the difference and so can other people who have no idea I'm using it (holy shit pete type reactions).... It may be magic, but I'm happy with it

[@bayansafi5539]

Hi mate.can u please tell me where did u buy your stuff from?

[@coreya2566]

Ectysteroids act on estrogen receptor Beta, they don’t mimic testosterone at all. Estrogen receptor beta is linked to the preservation of muscle and nervous tissue, so taking ectysteroids like ecdysterone or turkesterone will help with preventing muscle breakdown, as opposed to testosterone which helps with building new muscle tissue. Different mechanisms of action. When bodybuilding you are building muscle and breaking down muscle all the time, the key to building muscle is to build more then you break down. If you prevent breakdown, you end up with more muscle tissue. This stuff literally does work when complexed with Cyclodextrin, and only a few supplement companies have complexed this supplement this way. When a study is done on ecdysterone or turkesterone that is complexed with Cyclodextrin and ran properly we will find evidence that this works. Mark my words. Also my anecdote: I have been training naturally for 10+ years and have hit my genetic ceiling. I hadn’t made progress for a long time. I Began running Ecdysterone from Intelligent Elephant (Dereks other company) for the last 4 months at 3 caps a day, with a 300 calorie surplus and I have gained 5 pounds while becoming leaner (I am sub 10% bodyfat) and I have made PRs in literally every lift. You can check out my progress on my insta: @Fastedstrength

[@darthsidius9631]

Speculation

[@Markivelli]

High IQ Detected! Thanks for info!

[@olkid]

@@darthsidius9631 I'm pretty sure - although I could be wrong - that this mechanism of action has been shown in vitro studies. Obviously not a perfect extrapolation, however it does definitely lend some credence to turkestorone's feasibility as a muscle preserver.

[@justinwagner1078]

Preventing the break down of muscle tissue does not mean it builds tissue. If you have a certain amount of mass built, that mass will be protected by something like turkestrone or ecty, however it's not anabolic, it' doesn't act on any androgen receptors. There's nothing anabolic about it you will not have an increase in lean mass w the compound.

[@obito1166]

Thanks for the explanation i thought turk helped build muscle initially guess i shoulda actually focused when watching Dereks video

[@howy3333]

YOur videos are the best. Truthful and simple

[@timonraccoon]

I’ve been taking turk for 2 months and I’ve actually gained weight on my lifts. I see my arms a little more fuller but I’d say it’s different on everyone

[@srujanbabu2869]

Did you experience any stomach upset or itching in the body when you took it?

[@timonraccoon]

@@srujanbabu2869 when I first started taking it I did have lots of itchiness on my back. But I don’t think it’s was part of me taking the turk. I think it was just my dry ass skin

[@dylancoulson8656]

Exactly the same bro

[@NilsDeMarcus]

no signs of acne of some sort?

[@timonraccoon]

@@NilsDeMarcus actually my acne calmed down, it might’ve helped or it could’ve been something else

[@javieraragon3768]

Gracias por ser tan riguroso, es un placer ver tus videos

[@jonnull]

Here's one problem that I find with nutritional science. Final interpretations often don't properly address hyper-responders and outliers. You, as an individual, are not the average of 100 people. A certain substance might not work for 95% of people, but if you happen to be one of the 5% who got significant results, it worked for you. However, when a study draws the line, your results will be averaged with non-responders and the average results will be deemed statistically insignificant.

[@nmlss-r9]

I get your point and in some cases thats a big issue. For example if you feel your quads better doing squats don't do lunges just because one study said so. But the statistical significance is needed to get anything useful from any study. Or else how do you differenciate between a random improvent caused by other reasons vs the actual substance you are testing? You can do a blind study on yourself, but to get any substantial information you need to spend a lot of effort and time. In this case there is not enough indications that the substance can even work for some people but not all of them. Are you gonna test every supplement with the effort required to draw conclusions?

[@johncalla2151]

This is why it would be good to do gene sequencing for subjects in fitness / supplement studies and see if any correlations can be found between results and particular genes. One would think with the type of machine learning / AI computing processing power out there that it would be a lot easier to find patterns these days.

[@Meloonikk]

I don`t supply turkesterone itself, but I`m eating 250g of spinache everyday :) It contains turkesterone and even if amount of it or turkesterone itself doesn`t effect my workout, it`s still very healthy

[@soundtorial4567]

popeye was right !!!!

[@mattdagger1480]

I’ve actually been taking it for about a month now 8 caps a day of Greg doucettes Turk builder. And while I’m only one sample size. The things I’ve noticed is weirdly hunger, little to zero soreness and a little weight gain. Now I maintain single digit body fat year around and I’m still in that category after taking this for a month. Even tho I’ve been more hungry vs normal my weight has actually went up only 4lbs. But I’m still just as lean or possibly leaner then When I started. Now idk how much I can attribute this to the Turk or my training and diet but overall I do feel actually better. Before my normal sex drive was actually pretty low for what I’d consider normal ( I’m a 31 year old male with two kiddos). I’ve noticed I’m horny all the time recently 😅 probably tmi but it has been noticeable weirdly enough. This is just what I’ve experienced thus far. I still have another month to go and I’m planing to run it for a full two months until I run out. To this point I haven’t noticed any negative side affects yet. I’m not a doctor just live by the laws of thermo dynamics and your every day single digit body fat dad bod who trains 7 days a week 365 days a year and have for over two years. Hope this helps someone!

[@268NA_Impreza]

I’m on 3 caps of Greg’s a day and I’m on my 3/3 bottle (2 weeks left), and yes to the hunger (more if it) and the soreness, there is barley any, 1 day max and then after it’s just like it’s “fuzzy” the muscle. More horny, random times I just wanna … 😋… I’m 30 but 0 spawn, and the NEGs Iv had are mostly pimples, but just like 3-4 reoccurring at the exact same position. Other than that, I’m as “normal” as I was before taking them. Glad someone else has similar first hand exp.

[@ColonelJohnmatrix1000]

Thanks for your honest input

[@morganteach9105]

Lol just take test legit cheaper and works better

[@268NA_Impreza]

@@morganteach9105 not readily available here (island life)

[@Itiswhatitispartna]

🧢

[@KillaBitz]

Been experimenting with Turk for the past month now, (got enough for a few more months to) I've also started on Tongkat ali and a few other things though so it's difficult to say what is doing what but I'm definitely feeling good and getting stronger at the moment.

[@magne9022]

I've taken Turkesterone and Ecdysterone together. I think that there are two things to note: 1) Young guys still have lots of test, or should, and so may not recognize the benefits as nakedly as an older guy. This is because the benefit is subtle, but it's definitely real. 2) ALL compounds work based on your individual compatability. There are people who take actual roids and don't see the kind of results others do, and this is due to body chemistry. Some individuals have a superior biological response to certain compounds. Also, turk and ecdy have a very brief half life of like 9hrs. If you aren't spacing dosages throughout the day you might not be getting good coverage. Further, it operates by facilitating protein synthesis at a cellular level, specifically leucine. So, if you aren't coupling turk with a high protien diet, or at least bcaa supplementation... you're going to hinder your results. This is not an analogue of testosterone, however similar the name might be... you have to use it in the way it works, and it will help your body do what it does. Turk is great for strength and recovery, for many. Its safe and worth the try.

[@jackaro0343]

will it effect natural test when stopping like a steroid would?

[@doctorowen]

Great quality information as ever! I thought it could have had a little more on the safety studies (or lack thereof), but I appreciate the video wouldn't have been as concise ... So, I made one myself.

[@kyotog777]

as a Turkish person I'm in awe on the name of this supplement

[@damofoluis]

Wow man, every time this channel gets better and better. That’s what I call a good shi+ channel. Keep it up as always. Greetings from Honduras my brother🇭🇳

[@TheDhammaHub]

The real impressive effect of such FOTM supplements is that they reveal how much people crave shortcuts ;D

[@PictureFit]

A very easy aspect of human nature to exploit with good marketing.

[@pokemonbacon1237]

Yea creatine can be considered a short cut , so can multi vitamins

[@ggod4185]

And protein too. Sometimes it's best to stfu

[@jonmiller8695]

It's a supplement not a shortcut. You don't get more muscle because you take something. You get it from extreme hard work. The supplement just provides assistance. You've obviously never lifted seriously.

[@pokemonbacon1237]

@@jonmiller8695 turkesterone can be viewed in the same it assist in muscle building , creatine does allow you to gain more muscles since your able to do a extra rep or two , plus it makes your muscles looks fuller , I don’t see how creatine is different to ecdysterone or turkesteron

[@adnanben]

Yooo hope you're feeling better man ! I was wondering if you would cover the topic of micro-workouts someday? It'd be super cool. Nice video as always !

[@DaniArkadia]

This is the gods honest truth, I went from only being able to do one push-up (I got quite fat) to being able to do 8 within the space of a week at the same weight (I'm 95 kg), and prior to that I had tried to do a push-up in each of my workouts. I am taking 400 mg. I agree that more research is needed and n=1 but it really surprised me and I will carry on eperimenting with it. I acknowledge other factors could be at play like placebo but I wasn't even CLOSE to being able to lift my weight before.

[@lolslols8977]

Sounds like some pretty average gains. If you can’t do 10 push-ups at will it’s just laziness.

[@DaniArkadia]

@@lolslols8977 yeah man, I was lazy with my eating and training. That's why I'm trying to get better.

[@jalengrills6807]

@@DaniArkadia fuck that guy get ur gains bro 💪 we all started somewhere

[@RUOK2000]

@@DaniArkadia go for it my dude

[@martingamer5591]

Within fewer than 8 hours of it being out, I've seen this video's name change 3 times already.

[@jonmiller8695]

Here's your science. I'm on turk. It has provided me the ability to eat more and lose weight. Not to mention a slight gain in strength. Say what you want. It works. I've been working out minimum 5 days per week and am a solid 200 lbs. 20 years in the Marine Corps. I understand physical fitness. I know when something is effecting my body.

[@LifestriderX]

agreed brother

[@zeppkfw]

I recently took ecdysterone a week ago and i’m hungry as hell all the time. I feel and have been stronger in the gym and in day to day activities.

[@mageguy3]

Could be placebo

[@LifestriderX]

@@mageguy3 strength gains are for real, tighter muscles, eating more yet looking leaner, no muscle fatigue. Yeah. It’s no placebo.

[@jonmiller8695]

@@mageguy3 it's wierd to say it's placebo when 95% of people taking it have the same results. 95% is obviously a made up number. I've watched, read, and talked to around 30 people and only 1 has said it didn't work. Like I said before, I know my body. I've taken 7 different sarms and every over the counter supp you could think of. If turk didn't work I'd simply state it. Most the supps out there are garbage.

[@czr5145]

I love your KZbin Channel, very informative and entertaining

[@samueljardine3402]

There was a rat study done where 5mg/kg of bodyweight yielded more growth than tren or d-bol. If the available supplements only have roughly 6mg of turk, it's understandable why that didn't produce results in anyone weighing greater than 1kg.

[@michaeltate14]

Thank u sm for comeing back ❤️

[@Nameless_mixes]

Only two studies and they have practically completely opposite results? Yeah… Definitely need waaay more research to have any sort of conclusive results. And I’m really curious about how the placebo group was losing muscle? Did they not subject all of the participants to the same workout routine? Did they just have them all lay in the sun and see what happens? 😂☀️💛

[@Arkhs]

I think its possible that the workout protocol might have had less intensity, volume etc than what they were doing before the study? Though even then usually it only takes 1/3 to maintain... so the programming would have had to have been really shit.

[@lanceresultay014]

I think they were so convinced that they were taking turk that law of diminishing returns kicked in. lol

[@Hann7657]

The error bars included zero, so you can't really take much away from that

[@evildead2237]

Man I've watched this turk thing evolve from the very beginning, crazy how far it's gone now.

[@eudesgeoffroy8416]

And so, doucette is actually selling snake oil.

[@vincentlee7359]

When you have investments in said manufacturer....yeah

[@atrumluminarium]

Even if we assume that Turkesterone is legit. Greg's product contains a ton of crap in it. Ashwagandha and vitamin E should NEVER EVER be taken on a daily basis especially in the obscene, abusive doses he takes.

[@darkstar4494]

@@atrumluminarium what’s wrong with taking vitamin E every day?

[@darklight6921]

id take dereks

[@Hann7657]

I took it during a recent cut. I'm 6'4,Went from 235 pounds and 23ish% body fat to 205 currently and 16.5ish% body fat. All of my lifts stayed constant and some even improved (though no compounds). Squat: 385 Bench: 305 Deadlift: 485Overhead Press: 205. Obviously didn't make huge gains, but i never had energy or fatigue issues even when training on a deficit every day (this was about an 8 week cut, so the deficit was fairly large)

[@mrrikx]

I’m 6’5, 18 80kg and struggle to gain weight. Do you think it’s worth me trying it?

[@jprp999]

@Jaime Pritchett By 100 pounds...........

[@lukalicina8230]

HEY MAN GREAT VIDEO! One question PictureFit, could you make a video on CreGaatine suplement? its a suplement made in Serbia with some studies behind it with supposed 8x uptake of Creating compared to the regular Monohydrate? Would be nice to see a video on that

[@stevenm732]

Good video and I agree with your analysis even though I am one of those who anecdotally reports positive effects from ectdy’s. What I tell others is that if you have the money, AND all of your foundational basis for fitness are in line with what your lifestyle can accommodate then go ahead and try out an ectdy and see how it affects you. But if you don’t have those foundations in place use your money on that first.

[@painay8989]

Finally another video.

[@mixedotaku2481]

I decided to take 6 capsules a day for 30 days to see any kinda change. From what I can feel, my recovery is faster. I am also looking more full. My weight is going down, but my body is looking stronger. KEEP IN MIND! I have been lifting for YEARS and my diet is good enough.

[@benwagner8993]

Take gear like a man lol

[@blugetsbusy4508]

@@benwagner8993 LMFAOOOOOO

[@benwagner8993]

@@blugetsbusy4508 it honestly frustrates the fuck outta me when these dudes spend more money on this bullshit than they would've a bottle of test 😭

[@Lewis....]

@@benwagner8993 ... This had to be the DUMBEST comment on youtube..

[@gmchitaru]

Great video mate! Thank you!

[@BeastMastery]

If it really worked a certain big pharma would take it as their own and lay restrictions on the suppcomps.

[@Bankroll_DK]

Nah. You ever try kratom? This is the kratom of steroids

[@colin55594]

Helped me quit alcohol

[@EddieLifts]

As someone who actually took it with 10 years of training , I have my own data to prove it worked lol

[@Tryingmybestsince1999]

I’ve been taking water with 3 years of training and I’m sure it’s working too!!

[@Tenkenzu]

@@Tryingmybestsince1999 doubt you’ve been making any real gains

[@SoulDelSol]

Estradiol absolutely does help with muscle gain. When men block too much estrogen with ancillaries they also reduce their gains

[@rigo.acosta]

Jeff Nippard made a video too, but yeah it's definitely s bust, just take creatine guys

[@johncalla2151]

I read a significant portion of the comments on the video here and of those that gave anecdotal feedback, 100% were positive and 0% were negative. 100-0. Now what are we supposed to believe when we see comments like that? Not a single one said "I tried it and it did bupkis." You can't get that kind of lop-sided feedback for even creatine.

[@jamessmith-hq5mr]

I took 6 caps of Gorilla Mind Turk per day for 40 days and it did exactly nothing.

[@ItsNotShakespeare]

The likelihood of people not tr a ining anywhere near hard enough it also strong

[@chi7818]

So 100% anecdotal but I went on a month cycle of ecydesterone and while I did see improvements in my lifts, the thing that stuck out to me most was I felt my recovery time was shorter. I wasn’t as sore the following days and didn’t feel as beaten up as I sometimes do. It might just be a mental thing but I didn’t change my routine in any way and no matter what the reason/cause to me the effects were real. Was it worth $50 for the bottle? For me yes because It just means I go out one night less a month and I feel it is beneficial for my gains. Will I buy it again? I already have and have 2 more bottles in my room. Am I a sucker? Maybe, but if it works for me or at least I think it does and there is no evidence that it doesn’t, why not use it. Background, I’m a 37 year old Asian male and I lift four days and rest one day (push day, pull day, legs, accessory day, then rest day, repeat). Been doing this for a little over a year (been lifting off and on for about a decade) and am pretty happy with my progress.

[@jontoland3491]

I have had very similar results. I'm 38. But I have noticed significant muscle growth, I may be a hyper responder though

[@chi7818]

@@jontoland3491 yeah I’ve seen slight increase in the number of reps I preform with the same weight. On a good day I can do 3 more reps than normal otherwise it’s 1-2 more reps

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

LOL, Greg Doucette is definitely going to make an attack video directed at you! XD

[@trevorbaker7168]

Ecdysteroids have been around for years and haven't been banned by wada yet. I also have yet to hear someone with a respectable physique say good things about it that doesn't have a promo code. Very sus IMO.

[@Daf0ck1]

I take turkestrone but after training for 3 years before is useless to take this stuff. The side effect for me is going constantly to the toilet and do water poo... which sux

[@idonotexist_]

This is basically an animated copy and paste of the video that Jeff Nippard guy made a while back (citing the exact same studies)... But I hate listening to that 3'5" dude's voice, so props!

[@Tusk7]

because those are the only studies on that

[@idonotexist_]

@@Tusk7 I never said there were others not being talked about. I said what I said pretty clearly. The video Jeff made was a while ago, and this is pretty much the exact same video without Jeff's annoying voice and face, so I appreciate it. Knowing I'm definitely not the only one who hates watching Nippard's videos.

[@asperxyz8868]

You seem to very knowledgeable about fitness and diet. How do you learn everything about fitness and diet because I want to everything, but don’t know where to find the info other than just watching yt vids. Also how do you find these studies and evaluate them?

[@chevyblock550]

I started taking Turk 1000mg per day by recommendation of a friend. I've noticed a couple things. 1, my arms filled out immediately and it kind of shocked me. 2, if I take it preworkout, I get a very intense pump. I got bloodwork done and my total testosterone has improved by 100 points! I'm willing to bet it has other satellite interactions we do not know yet to put on mass. I suspect something in the pituitary because if it binds estrogen receptor beta or perhaps is an antagonist, it could tell the HPA to make more testosterone.

[@ryanscanlan9875]

Great results. What brand please?

[@chevyblock550]

@@ryanscanlan9875 Final Boss

[@awemanyfit]

Side effects?????

[@chevyblock550]

@@awemanyfit A few but nothing major. I notice I'm waterier and a cheat meal hangs on me a bit longer. Slight uptick in aggression. Also an increase in hunger but nothing crazy.

[@jackaro0343]

@Chevyblock 550 any experience what happens when you stopped?

[@raymondabrego5621]

So for 8 weeks a human resistance trained and didn't gain or lose anything? No changes? I worked out for 8 weeks with zero supplements and gained muscle and lost body fat. 🤔

[@defaultworkouts]

just get to the point instead of all this rambling and all this history, just get to the point

[@mavcsku8016]

Awesome video my dude!

[@backsfx]

Must say when I tried ecdysterone, I dinit gain any huge amount of mass. But I got way leaner than I expected tbh

[@tylerhowes6257]

Did u take it with turk

[@backsfx]

@@tylerhowes6257 no took ecdysterone alone, but im Currently just started a cycle of turkesterone now. Like today

[@jagergerg9771]

This video told me absolutely nothing besides more research

[@Leven727]

lmao that’s low key fax

[@leogarcia4657]

Testosterone = higher muscle protein synthesis (more muscle buildup) Turkesterone = lowers muscle protein atrophy (less muscle breakdown) Opposites but effective

[@HyBlock]

source: your @ss

[@jananilcolonoscopu4034]

Cool hypothesis bro

[@thedude8526]

Creatine does that, is well understood and costs pennies in comparison. Why not just take that?

[@GucciGoblins]

You should do a video on NAD+ see a bunch of marketing for it.

[@timeban7761]

Greg doucette is sad now

[@jessedickens6481]

Derek needs to do a video on this!

[@Simon-zo2vo]

He sells it.