The SCIENCE of Recruiting in College Football 25 Dynasty

[@bpnation37]

A/B Testing for a video game. Dope idea

[@maxplayscfb]

EXACTLY ahahaha if analytics is becoming a huge factor in sports, let’s bring it to sports video games too

[@redbulloo7]

🙌🏾

[@matthewseverino5196]

@@maxplayscfb You got my subscription! In future videos like these can you fully fill graphics like the one at 2:27. I know that I like to screenshot graphics In videos like these so I can use them when I play and I’m sure other people do as well. Now I have to go into my notes app and write out the conversions for each letter grade. It’s not the biggest deal in the world but something that could’ve been “a nice touch” is now “a slight annoyance” Thanks for the tip, look forward to seeing more of your content in the future!

[@ekalB210]

​@@maxplayscfblove it

[@elhajjmatthews4060]

IVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THIS FOR WEEKS, I first seen this on TT and it may have been you I can’t recall but I need this explanation thanks

[@thered6496]

I was waiting for a 3 minute introduction, 2 minute advertisement, and a 30 second segment of the actual video. Guy proved me wrong. Definitely hitting that like and subscribe button.

[@Ziptie258]

Yeah I was waiting for the degenerate gambling plug

[@David-bl2si]

still a long ah intro

[@Nobody-kg8md]

@@David-bl2sinot to be a jerk or anything, but how’s 5 minutes too long of a video for you?

[@grimeythree4294]

@@David-bl2siwhen you’re 6 years old sure

[@neilwatts8751]

Same

[@hemvp9532]

Love that this video was only five minutes. Tired of coming across 45 min tutorials. Thanks for keeping it simple!

[@clay_utter]

lol the next video recommended was a 45 minute “step by step recruiting tutorial”

[@k6r659]

Bigger youtubers will steal this

[@lilkloud]

Somebody already did 😂

[@k6r659]

@@lilkloud who lmao

[@tabascoGP]

Just be sure to tag him and call them out. Let’s be sure to give Max the credit.

[@S.General]

Like me! I’m hard I mean huge! Hahaha

[@Ryliejay3]

Love it!

[@jno2k]

For anyone that wants the full point list A+ (13) A (12) A- (11) B+ (10) B (9) B- (8) C+ (7) C (6) C- (5) D+ (4) D (3) D- (2) F (1)

[@Skillzrat]

We did not need this

[@Mc.Nuggetz]

@@Skillzratspeak for yourself.

[@Skillzrat]

@@Mc.Nuggetz can you not count

[@Mc.Nuggetz]

@@Skillzrat Nope I don’t have fingers.

[@Skillzrat]

@@Mc.Nuggetz unlucky

[@chadraybon4822]

Thank goodness for the shirt, your A$AP Rocky impersonation is uncanny. Sick video and that’s a nice readable graph.

[@maxplayscfb]

Thanks on the graph and yeah, I think it’s bc him and I have a similar smile

[@bigebron1165]

This is crazy and definitely deserves some recognition

[@maxplayscfb]

Thank you!! Took all day to make but man I think it’s so sick

[@buhtcheeks]

It worked...had a 4-star recruit and was in 3rd place on his list. Did a hard sell, Didn't think it was gonna work, because his like for my school kept going down. On the 3rd week he commited to my school and i was 3rd on the list...

[@F1NKST3R]

Fantastic breakdown man! EVERYONE is posting these CFB recruiting tips that are like 30 minutes long with a ton of extra talking and BS. You were straight to the point and ACTUALLY showed proof with a numbers breakdown! Love it! Instantly subbed to the channel! Looking forward to more videos like this. Would be interested to see the difference in Hard Sell and non pitching

[@manvites]

The only one I really cared to watch was Bordeaux's recruiting vid when the game first came out. Watched a couple of others and they said some helpful stuff but I tuned most of it out cause it was just yapping. And I agree, in this 5 min video, it was more informative than like 3 other people's 35 min - 1 hour videos

[@Sploooshen]

"If this video does good I might do more" It's already by far his most popular video. GGS man

[@maxplayscfb]

Yeah I suppose this is what we are gonna be doin now🤣🤣

[@Tellingss]

This is awesome. No clickbait. No long extended video to get to the point. Definitely subscribing now, good stuff appreciate it

[@gabeeckstein1964]

only dude out here making useful content

[@maxplayscfb]

Thank you!!

[@buddhastl7120]

Seriously almost every channel I come across gives obvious information that I waste my time watching

[@mattconrad3589]

for those struggling with the numbers concept, the players just need to average better than a C (technically between a C and C+ is the threshhold) to hard/soft sell. Meaning A-, B-, C- = sell, while B-, C-, D- = no sell

[@shanemoran9]

Sick video brother. No fluff, actual data, 10/10 thanks for doing this. Unfortunately nobody in my online league can ever find out about this hahaha

[@maxplayscfb]

ahahaha hopefully you can implement this before they find it!

[@corneliuspraeda6452]

Next, test out when to "hard sell", "soft sell", and "sway". Nice, concise video. Thanks.

[@BabyWilt]

easily hard sell when the recruit is close to committing to your team

[@manofstele]

Probably the same formula. If the recruits 3 favorites total less than 19, but you can sway to 3 that are more than 19, go for it.

[@noahthomas4341]

same things aply... its all about the #'s

[@babybellTV]

@@manofsteleI’m confused break it down more

[@DexterLiveYT]

Soon as you in top 5

[@ericglover7773]

Im an engineer. This is the best recruiting guide video ive seen yet! MOAR MATH!!

[@collinalongi5733]

I'm an engineer too and that has nothing to do with this video.

[@WorkshootPhoto]

So glad the algorithm gave me this. Short, to the point and useful. Good shit A$AP.

[@lordrhino8298]

I've been looking at quite a few videos about dynasty but they were all unclear and non detailed. This video was simple, straight to the point and I came away with some useful, please keep making more videos like this.

[@TommyLowry]

Amazing video, you’re the first person I think to point out hard selling isn’t always the right move WITH the math behind it… You get a sub my man, love putting math and logic into this game

[@TideV2]

Nice video! Heres another thing probably worth testing - Soft selling the non-ideal pitch but has 2 motivations with good grades and a third that is not a motivation but also has a good grade appears to outperform friends and family as well by a decent margin.

[@benjmonce8198]

Could be the case if the 2 motivations add up to over 19

[@jeffjernigan3661]

I'd like to see this.

[@TideV2]

@@benjmonce8198 good observation this is always the case for me as if I dont have 2 greens (usually around A) then I wont pitch at all.

[@TheAvm5208]

This! Would be very curious to see what happens with this

[@Mjensen16]

That is what the swat mechanic is for. You can "Sway" the recruit to value something you are strong in, to then sell them that pitch instead

[@Potus_313]

Bro this is amazing. I just be hard selling everybody when I get the ideal pitch and sometimes it doesn’t work and I’ve always wondered why. This makes total sense

[@nysom3356]

This actually makes alot of sense and is probably one of those most helpful videos out right now

[@jondaboss47]

Jesus Christ it’s insane how simple this but it took you to do the work to get the data. I commend you. This is great stuff

[@colebaker2163]

Massive help, thank you for taking the time to research and present unique data without any clickbait!

[@jakewolfe7397]

Scientific testing data for the unknown/nebulous things in this game is a 100% good idea, subbed. Looking forward to more!

[@Hajji-408]

This was super helpful. The clearest explanation backed by math that’s easy to follow.

[@2Real2Rell]

This makes such a difference. This season for me is pretty much done but will definitely use this in the next years crop of recruits. What a gem find my guy!!!!👌🏾

[@maxplayscfb]

Heck yeah thank you!

[@BH02377]

Did it work?

[@2Real2Rell]

@ hell yeah. Get way more recruits to commit after 1-3 weeks. Just make sure they are in the top 3 recruiting phase. As long as the gap between you and 1,2 schools aren’t too bad then you can steal the prospect

[@calvinemery6585]

Finally a video that isn’t 50mins long

[@trentondipace5163]

This is the best video I have seen about this game period. Short, simple, and to the point. I will be subscribing

[@maxplayscfb]

Sorry for the delay but thank you!! Means a lot

[@chrisburke453]

Max love your videos. This is the most valuable one you have ever done. Thanks. There was a patch today tweaking hard sell and soft sells. Could you please do more research and a new video on the changes and if you still need a 17+ etc. thanks.

[@maxplayscfb]

Working on it this weekend!!

[@chrisburke453]

@@maxplayscfb you are the man. Thanks

[@helikaon5]

This is an unreal amount of effort, and very appreciated. I honestly had no idea if my sells were doing anything more than a regular amount of hours sent, so this is really cool, especially for lower ranked schools to know. Keep it up, man. From what I've seen, I'll watch whatever.

[@SlickRicWhite]

I think this was a great breakdown. For some reason, the letters weren’t clicking for me in terms of how much interest they would accrue. But converting them to numbers makes it quite easy to analyze which move to perform. Great work, and happy playing. 💪🏼

[@corneliuspraeda6452]

I kept thinking that, if the grades weren't A or B, don't even pitch.

[@t_coms7921]

Please keep doing these. The Cod community has a couple guys that do the math on things and I think it’s very interesting and helpful. You the man!

[@grantschurman2558]

Incredibly informative on your process! Wondering if you’ll be looking into the “sway” recruiting mechanism, haven’t used it much but I’m interested to see a breakdown similar to your “soft sell/hard sell” video. Great content, great quality, eagerly awaiting the next upload.

[@kahlibbustos8523]

I’ve been trying to figure this out for myself because all these KZbinrs before this never gave the answer I was looking for. Thank you!!!! Loved the vid

[@braxtonfriday8713]

I've been trying to figure this out in a coop dynasty that I'm in. My buddies keep beating me in recruiting. Will definitely try these tips when the next season kicks off. 100% subscribing

[@badsabre5917]

And I love these videos using the maths to figure these things out. You got a new sub.

[@maxplayscfb]

Thank you!! I’ll keep it up

[@gerardthompson196]

This is the content we need! Yes, please give us more breakdowns with data and logic. Thank you.

[@user-pc7xq6dz2i]

It’s worth noting that the 5 hour activity is pretty crappy. It’s good to know how the soft sell + 5 hr compares head to head to the 25 hr, but in many cases it’s just as useful to just know that a sell with B and above grades is going to outperform the 25. Soft sell with good grades along with DM is the most efficient use of hours. I stick those two on any guy that doesnt have any recruiting competition and I just want to progress the recruiting bar efficiently. Meanwhile hard sell costs double the soft sell without being twice as good, however when you pair it with the hyper efficient DM, you’re getting a very efficient use of 50 points. I use hard sell whenever I feel any pressure from another school on a recruit, knowing that this 50 hour combo is a decently efficient use of time while also generating a lot of progress.

[@greggmorris5104]

This is great content and makes me interested in further A/B testing. 1) At what letter grade point totals of a hard sell result in more gained influence than sending the house? 2) At what letter grade point totals of a hard sell is it more resource efficient than sending the house? 3) Same thing as 1 & 2, but with soft sell & contact friends and family.

[@GalacticAnderson]

I've been looking for this... I'd love to see one on scheduling visits, specifically scheduling on bye weeks, one green arrow visits, three, etc.

[@cjorges]

Yes! Great idea

[@DZ_Sparty]

You been able to schedule on bye weeks? I only had 4 home games this season and that was the only weeks it let me schedule. Had so many guys unable to do visits

[@Christopher-dd1ph]

I’ve never had the option to visit a bye.

[@MrChrisK41]

Top notch content! Watched this one video and immediately subscribed - have watched a ton of CFB 25 content and this is actually different. Please keep this up - this is great. Also kudos for very clear delivery and explanations - you're a natural presenter. Absolutely love this!

[@BaldyLocks4218]

My brother, you just changed recruiting for me. No 3 minute intro... straight science. Nah man. Jesus came again and he came in the form of you.

[@FrodoFromTheShire]

This is 🔥🔥🔥

[@mikewilliams1084]

This is the perfect video for this topic. Concise, clear and 5 minutes. I'm coming back for more. Great job.

[@maxplayscfb]

Thank you!

[@bori1986]

U just explained this to me like Oscar explained to Michael what a surplus was

[@SportsTruthwithJordanHarris]

Good ol Michael Scott!

[@aldon47]

Now if only he could explain what a rundown is.

[@wahrercat0.459]

i dont write comments much but this video is exactly what i need and how i think a lot of videos should be made. thats exactly my kind of video, instant sub

[@SimFootballFanatic]

Hard sell + DM is more effective than Send The House. I made a post about this a few days because I had the same idea. The bonus for guessing the correct pitch is probably why it's SLIGHTLY more effective.

[@maxplayscfb]

In every single case when you had good enough grades during this experiment, it actually wasn’t the case! That’s why it’s important to look at the grades of their ideal pitch. If you’re averaging A’s and B’s in their 3 ideal categories, it’s wayyyy better to pitch - the data backs it up too

[@badsabre5917]

@@maxplayscfbso if your ideal pitch is below 19 you just leave them on Send the house? Or you just give up on them?

[@SimFootballFanatic]

@@maxplayscfb in the test that I ran, my recruit had two D's and a b for his interest grades. I thought for certain it would be better to just send the house. I was wrong. He had a small extra sliver of interest after I did a hard sell plus DM. I tagged you in a post so you can see for yourself. I believe the explanation is in the description. It's based on correct, ideal pitch. I'm sure you're correct when it comes to a soft sale though. It's probably purely based off of your grade relative to their targeted interests.

[@pikachugomes]

⁠@@badsabre5917 I think you could probably sway to increase the grade to above 19 which will make the sell effective

[@user-pc7xq6dz2i]

@@SimFootballFanatic you can’t compare a STH vs. hard/DM experiment to a f&f vs. soft/sm experiment. The numbers of the higher-cost actions are not double those of the lower cost so that would require an entirely separate experiment. STH is much worse per hour than F&F whereas hard/dm is actually pretty close to soft/sm. So yes, the 50 point sell combo is a much easier choice and it presumably doesn’t require the same grades as the 25 point sell combo to break even. Pretty much any correct-guess hard sell that doesn’t have all failing grades is going to beat STH.

[@kirkhilles523]

Beautiful! Finally, somebody willing to spend the time and do ACTUAL TESTING. I've subscribed. Look forward to more like this.

[@DoinBizz]

Could be skewed by asst coaches abilities. Should’ve just used same exact team on 2 different save files, then it’s apple to apples

[@Christopher-dd1ph]

Nope. Won’t be the exact same recruits genius. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@ge4874]

Instant subscribe. Now time to scroll.the rest of the content. Have a feeling its just as good and just as concise. Big props

[@rudyyo2760]

Easy u wait till u the final 3 then u hard sell...works every time

[@BlueBeretFirearms]

Very interesting. I will certainly apply this to my recruiting going forward. I have subscribed and interested in your future videos about the game.

[@jonathanboyd6209]

No bs. Straight to the point. No ads. Insta subscribe my brother. Love this.

[@Thestoryofcarson]

Best part is this is less than 6 minutes. Great video, you deserve to go viral

[@Wolf1225X]

I got the jist of the recruiting strategy the more I played it, but this video definitely helped out with the rest. Great stuff man!

[@austynrose2286]

The amount of work that went into this DESERVES a like and a subscribe.

[@maxplayscfb]

Thank you!!

[@austynrose2286]

@@maxplayscfb thank you my friend, keep up the good work, it’s a shame how little information is out there for recruiting and using this formula had me getting way more commits from 4-5 star recruits.

[@Rick3_dot]

Super helpful, actually makes sense, 19 threshold... You're a real one for this.

[@shaneobryan6114]

I really appreciate what you’re doing with this game! Breaking it down like this has always been super interesting to me.

[@maxplayscfb]

Thanks for watching!! Super sick to know people enjoy this

[@michaelhooper8951]

Great video. Appreciate you working to quantify the influence of each choice. Would love to see a follow up where you further expanding this work by expanding the sample size or including consideraion for hard sell + 10 vs send the house for a comparison on 50 hours instead of the 25 from this test.

[@Waggs06]

Love these 5-10 minute videos explaining stuff in the game, thanks!

[@maxplayscfb]

thanks for watching them!! I should have some more dope ones throughout the rest of august!

[@Beautifulconversation]

Absolute dawg of a youtuber. Clear , concise, we love it

[@nathanpridmore8906]

Awesome! I appreciate this! I’m gonna apply this in my current season. I’ve been losing recruits and it’s frustrating so maybe this will help. I’ll let you know!

[@maxplayscfb]

awesome! hopefully it helps!

[@halljoshr]

That's some good shit right there! Now you need to show us the difference for the level of pipeline on another axis. I love that you are doing some real data analysis. Keep it up.

[@nathank34]

Thank you SO MUCH for this! I've been wondering about this question since release day, and you made it really simple to figure out.

[@carlosalbertoponcedeleonch2799]

Great video!! Managed to compress hours of research into MINUTES of super valuable info! Thank you so much!

[@jnis17]

Numbers always make things clear and as exact as possible. I am definitely adding your advice to my recruiting strategy.

[@zdacoz5499]

Enjoyed the video, figured I’d leave a comment. I’m gonna try this out later. Well done sir!

[@maxplayscfb]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@LTJG80]

I can tell you love cfb, but this is such a good concept for any video game related video. Would love to see you do experiments in other games you play!

[@maxplayscfb]

I used to love nba 2k, maybe I run it back this year!!

[@Rigel560]

Finally, numbers. Thank you. Don’t know if this will work, gonna try it tonight, but this felt like the strongest reasoning I’ve seen so far. Gg!

[@mateusluiz023]

That was a world class video, my friend! Great content, keep going!

[@Mr26630]

I'm so happy someone did this experiment, I always wanted to know which was better. Also the difference between soft sell with other recruiting vs hard sell with recruiting (such as soft sell plus F&F vs hard sell plus Social media) Or the math difference between soft vs hard selling. Good video, happily subscribed

[@XBOXGUYnaPSWORLD]

Not much of a numbers guy, so I thank you for how clearly you conveyed this information. Can’t wait to try this in my online dynasty with my friend!

[@harrisonmccabe6138]

Absolutely amazing stuff. Thank you! Personally it makes more sense to me to invert the grades (e.g A+ = 1 pt, target score less than 20) since its easier to add smaller numbers and I want to go after guys who have higher grades.

[@saevondinkins7142]

You my friend have earned a sub. I’m no math guy by any means but this made total sense. I’d just say if you haven’t already add a full chart of the grades converted to numbers. Overall GREAT video and I am looking forward to your content

[@chickenofdarknes3403]

Congrats buddy you’re blowing up. I appreciate the video. Keep up the good work

[@motownspartan2933]

Dude this is awesome, lean into this consistently and I think you’ll find your niche

[@robo310]

Make those videos bro, this was genius! Very insightful!

[@Gaberoni16]

LOVE this kind of content. I like knowing *why* things work the way they do down to a T. Thank you

[@nn26376]

I hadn't even been paying attention and was just always pitching when I can. It turns out by this math that's been a good decision since rarely if ever would I have had a pitch that low.

[@bradhansen8506]

Dudes, this was fantastic!! Straight to the point. Love you bro

[@perspectivetv_8818]

Great video. Mills said to check you out and this was an elite breakdown

[@maxplayscfb]

heck yeah he rocks, thank you for coming by!

[@maxhill779]

He is the chosen one. Society needs creators like you

[@DreBlackNinja]

Thank you! I’ve been having a really hard time recruiting, I almost never get a 5 star even when I’m 1st all season. I would wait until top 5 then switch to a hard sell…..that method only would land me maybe 14 commitment out of 35. Now I make sure when I make the switch to a hard sell I add the friends and family as well. Got 21 recruits to commit my last try.

[@outclassed_and_angry276]

Amazing video. When the graph first came up I was like what the F...... And then you explained it and it's absolutely genius.

[@zairhale]

Brother, you just got ya self a new subscriber with this one. Keep blossoming

[@m.mensahwebb9491]

Best EA CFB 25 vid I’ve seen! Hats off young man!!! ✊🏾 Subscribed!

[@BetweenTwoFernsWV]

Awesome video! I noticed this mechanic in the second season of my dynasty and was literally talking to my kid about this half an hour ago, trying to work out where the inflection point was.

[@arsenior2390]

This is the best thing I’ve seen. It makes recruiting so much easier

[@CharlesHumphries2010]

This is one of the best videos I've seen on recruitment. Great job!

[@maxplayscfb]

Thank you!

[@dlindy9143]

This is super helpful. Way more helpful than most of the large youtubers

[@tomr1991]

Hey bro. That's one hell of a way to use your free time. I applaud this video.

[@nobodyfavorite215]

I'm an accountant. Math was my favorite subject as a kid and I fell in love with video games at the age of 4.... this video was made for me

[@philly0110]

This is great, glad my algorithm found it, super helpful. Keep doin whatcha doin bro

[@alphawmusic]

Sir, you just got a new subscriber. Keep experimenting!

[@loganeby947]

Something else I'd love to see tested, is I feel like I've had a lot of luck selling in 2 categories my school is good at, as well as one category the player doesn't care about that I have very well, as opposed to a category they do care about I have Cish or lower.

[@maxplayscfb]

Yeah a lot of people have mentioned that, I may look into if I have time - it’s a super interesting question

[@sanii_02]

Thanks to you I finally got the #1 recruiting class in my 5th season at Syracuse🙏🏾

[@maxplayscfb]

Happy to help!!!

[@ejharrell13]

Bro just wanted to say thank you. Since I’ve implemented this system my recruiting has been top 3 every year in my online dynasty

[@maxplayscfb]

heck yeah, glad to help!!

[@alexanderdavis7655]

This is the exact type of content my brain was created for. Thank you for this analysis.

[@iancollins8541]

I watched so many of your TikTok’s when you went to Tennessee, great videos still!

[@alexpittman9509]

First off great video Max! 💯 Also when you use sway you can unlock some of the other pitches that are X’d out thus giving you more options for more pitches and increasing your chances of giving them a better pitch. After each week I would remove the pitch you just did and use sway to run the method just mentioned. And to get to unlock the pitches when first recruiting faster I would just send the house to the players I’m most interested in. Also don’t waste your time scouting unless you’re going position specific. Also would really love to get a big group of people to do a big dynasty lol it’s always been my dream. Reply to my comment if interested! Thanks!

[@samsonpatton3622]

did you make that big dynasty league yet?