The Scrubbiest Street Fighter Game(s)

streamed July 14, 2023
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[@rurigokou7624]

every 2 years sajam remakes the same video and its always a banger

[@iframes7]

Sajam has the perfect free content loop.

[@leithaziz2716]

Sajam beating Hollywood at their own game.

[@Doople]

Looking forward to the HD remaster next year too

[@no_nameyouknow]

Yep and before Street fighter 6 came out, a lot of people were like nah man this only happens with bad games... I was just like you just wait you just wait and see.

[@aerchys4779]

With how fighting games have been, Sajam will be getting big views every 6 months.

[@Mene0]

Alright fair enough, but the NEXT SF game will see a return to honest footsies and neutral, mark my words

[@Gardosuro]

Look, next SF won't have ANY Slurms Mackenzie, he WILL NOT be invited again, no green gusher juice allowed in the future, only honest footsies.

[@Gpayne99]

cope

[@Gabrol]

nah bro, SF is dead, capcom killed it

[@AnhDonoi]

@@Gabrolyes, one of the fast selling SF games released is dead.

[@Gabrol]

@@AnhDonoi /s

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

*proceeds to plays the world's dirtyness Blanka*

[@threeo8314]

dirtyness

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

@@shatteredteethofgod Yeah that Dirty

[@VGFightSchool]

The dirt!😂

[@demiurge2501]

Nah that would be me

[@cmysharingan]

I thought, and said the exact same thing in my comments elsewhere. Bro one CEO off cheap Blanka tactics, gtfoh with that neutral/footsies excuse

[@ookookie749]

In my day we had honorable footsie battles and all matches were Ryu mirror matches. There were two stages of the fight. First we threw fireballs at each other until one person slowly started winning the war and made the other person block one. We then engaged in honorable combat involving walking back and forth using c. mk and c. hk only. We then shook hands and enjoyed a fine snifter of brandy.

[@jimjam1556]

"fine fireball trap sir may I have another?"

[@originalscreenname44]

But enough about Street Fighter 1…

[@cellP8]

lol

[@AnhDonoi]

Godlike comment

[@warangelcpgamebreak]

And in my day, whatever a game gives you, you use to win. So n actuallity you sucked at the game becausen all you knew was hadoken. You and your friends physically couldn't do jump ins, tatsus or shoryukens. How boring.

[@gaminglakitu]

Once again, the "new thing bad, old thing good" crowd shows their hypocrisy

[@ganymede4030]

Those people are the fucking worst and they exist in every gaming community.

[@Hillthugsta]

But I dont think anyone is singing the old thing's praises this time around. More like not satisfied with new thing, old thing still bad.

[@DCFHazardRebornChannel]

Which crowd? Idk, for once I feel the crowd loves sf6 so much. Salty pros that make excuses and have actual scrub behaviour always make an excuse for why they lost and also add in there a little of "in previous so and so game I.....", which is not something anyone would even test them on cause "bruh, we now playin the new version bruh", and having won a championship is enough for them to say whatever bs they like For now the crowd loves sf6 is the takeaway. But I fear salt will rise with losses, and they will just parrot what they heard Menarded say...

[@pon3d120]

@@Hillthugsta You kidding? Tons of people are saying SFV was good in the final season and we shouldn't have moved on to a barebones new game.

[@IronKnee963]

@@pon3d120 Nobody is saying that, stop making shit up. lol SFV was trash and SF6 is trash too. Who the hell thinks SF6 is barebones, or did you f up your grammar? Because that just makes no sense whatsoever.

[@juliangabriel]

3:45 footsies is when chun li hits you with her foot a lot

[@shiftyshitter348]

Now I know why people want to play footsies so bad 😳

[@Taha632RMF]

If you enjoy playing against chun li in general you're 100% a masochist

[@1000Tomatoes]

So true bestie

[@malcovich_games]

What's it called when Juri does it, then?

[@brocksteele7475]

@@malcovich_games Femdom.

[@supaonyxian]

This video has so many fantastic lines “atleast you cant move faster while being green” “when project L comes out im going to have to make this video again and tell everyone that old games did infact have mixups”

[@laszlovincze5095]

Dude you're playing Edmund Honda and doing fullscreen headbutt over and over. And they're like "Yeah. This is footsies mothefucker."

[@Kilesfactor]

I am SO hype for all of the toxic bullshit that's going to spew out of League players mouth when they get double perfected by nothing but jab checks.

[@cycy8699]

@@KilesfactorLTG in his element

[@HeirofDacia]

@@cycy8699 There's gonna be so many new LTGs when Project L releases.

[@Gardosuro]

@@cycy8699 I hope we get a LTG and Tyler1 scrub showdown

[@Valon129]

My man Mena is playing Blanka too, the balls on this man

[@maskofacryingclown3]

I see what you did there haha

[@jorge4572]

💀💀💀💀 and dude talking about footsies

[@sasukefaan]

Bro 💀💀💀 someone gift that man some self awareness

[@thenewkalpa]

​@@sasukefaanIs he wrong, tho? If y'all saw your disagree'ers say Blanka was cheap, you'd be saying "skill issue", but since it's your narrative, it's okay to accept Blanka is cheap.

[@givemorexp]

Dude also won his first CC with Birdie, who had safe unreactable EX move into VT and unpunishable sweep if spaced correctly. Dude should just shut up.

[@atsali2]

No matter how many years pass, Tominaga's Makoto getting the Win Condition™ never gets old

[@Imanifestchaos]

Lucky boi~ lucky boi~

[@srirachaflash]

Honest neutral is a myth. Even the game called “Footsies” has a damn raging demon.

[@littlemisseevee2309]

wait it has rd?

[@meathir4921]

@@littlemisseevee2309yeah once per match a player can do classical raging demon input

[@littlemisseevee2309]

@@meathir4921 damn, never knew, is it interruptible?

[@CashKetchum718]

@@littlemisseevee2309 no, its a raging demon

[@meathir4921]

@@littlemisseevee2309 No, it’s a real Demon at close to point blank and invul. It has shorter range than actual demon (as in he only travels like 2 feet) so can have startup if it’s slightly further.

[@janivirtanen5722]

"At least you can't move slightly faster while being green" 😂

[@yummines]

Going to social media while upset and under stress is always a true combo for making yourself look stupid.

[@jimdavis8054]

The funniest time that happened was when some big player ragequit Combobreaker because it was the “shittiest tournament” but when the TOs asked for feedback on how to improve he avoided responding lol.

[@bimbobel3921]

You are right, telling the truth on socials is never a good idea because scrubbies can feel offended.

[@cmysharingan]

It's a straight up FADC into a ridiculous statement 😂

[@thepuppetmaster9284]

This. I swear pros like Mena and Punk needs to fvck off from social media after they lost.

[@malcovich_games]

Or going to the commentator booth!

[@BobardeZanzibar]

Chun-Li playing honest hackeysack while Rose is trying to play street fighter.

[@ReaveIdono]

🤣🤣🤣

[@SingerOfW]

Can't help but notice that Yun fella moving fast while being green, smh doesn't he know he's in an honest fighting game with footsies and parries?

[@Shodan130]

parries and footsies don't co-exist dawg

[@InTheKitchenWristStirFry]

@@Shodan130hm?

[@brettdallman3885]

Time is a flat circle in the FGC. See you all in 8 years for SF7 when I see people say that 6 was a real fighting game

[@mosley3485]

And they'll kind of be right. Half of the scrubby shit in SF6 will have been tweaked to be less scrubby and people will have learned to deal with the rest.

[@brettdallman3885]

@@mosley3485 yeah that’s the thing. It’s scrubby because 1. It’s a new game with new mechanics, and 2. There’s a lot more new players.

[@mosley3485]

@@brettdallman3885 Neither of those things are inherently scrubby. Generally, when someone says something is scrubby, they mean it's a lot easier to do than it is to counter. Stuff like that tends to be really obnoxious when a new game comes out, balance hasn't been adjusted and everyone is still learning.

[@Talking_Ed]

​@mosley3485 So inherently new games are less scrubby than old games? Nice!

[@mosley3485]

@@Talking_Ed You might want to try reading what I wrote again, chief.

[@triforceofpie]

This phenomenon is always so funny to me because it always happens and people act like Tokido wasn’t flying around the rafters with claw in sf2 and like Tominaga isn’t going full crackhead whiffing nine jump hps in a row before doing double dash kurakusa into ToD. Just missing those old street fightin’ footsies, hope they fix this in SF7.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Another thing is that the issues from those examples are present in the definitive versions of the respective games (ST, 3S, A3...), a product of successive refinements over 3-5 years (depending on the game). And the first versions of games are much worse, like SF2 WW, SFA1, SF3 NG, SF4 Vanilla... So besides the matter of the absurd og false statements, there's the matter that people bash a new game as if it needed to have the refinement level of that "definitive" version of the game he was playing earlier. They refuse to give the new game the "new game pass" and tolerate some issues that are natural for early versions will need time to be refined. (And in this case of "1 month old SF6", much less problematic issues than those of SF4 Vanilla, SF3 NG, etc)

[@burkshomemadememes]

People just have selective memory tbh. Tokido was notorious for picking cheap characters too, he’s just a scientist so he was a big part like vortex, other setups, etc... I still remember when people shat on xiao hai for picking top tiers. It’s almost like there’s money on the line or something. People still think daigo is a ryu player when he did the “evo moment 37” with Ken.

[@takohma1056]

I think it’s a combination of bad memory but also the new kids ok the block who wasn’t around at that time. I mean, some of these kids wasn’t even born when 3 rd strike was out 🤣

[@Valon129]

Tokido is one of the funniest player for me, people consider him like pretty much a SF god, the game of honest footsies, and he plays the cheapest shit possible as much as he can.

[@ExeErdna]

@@carlosaugusto9821 People forget how wild vanilla SF4 was

[@joshthefunkdoc]

As someone who's been around for well over 20 years, i've been saying for a long time that Honest Footsies Games are largely a myth and most people don't even really want that. How do I know? In my early days we did have the closest thing to an Honest Footsies Game i've seen: Soul Calibur II. A game that gets praised to high heaven these days as the best in that series, and a game whose most broken exploit (being able to block while sidestepping) actually strengthened that kind of "fundamental" play. And you know how competitive players felt about it at the time? They *constantly* bitched about how defensive it was and how boring top-level play was! And as someone who was in the crowd for finals at both Evo 2003 & 04, i can tell you the crowd did not give a fuck about that game unless something wacky happened (e.g. Aris going wild with Voldo stances or Yoshimitsu winning a match with the suicide). Another example of this from the Capcom side of things was CvS2, specifically in the period before Roll Cancel was discovered. At that point the game was heavily centered around strong buttons, and a lot of the same discourse re: turtling happened there. Hell, Roll Cancel is usually crediting with *saving* that game in the US!

[@Nooctae]

To illustrate your point Sajam, after I finished this video, youtube recommended me a video of you, from 2 years ago " The Older games were BS too", which use the same Dandai clip. I seriously think we're in a timeloop sometimes in the FGC.

[@TheNobleFive]

In 2017 people were saying GG Xrd Rev 2 and SFV would "save the FGC"

[@leithaziz2716]

@@TheNobleFive People talked about Guilty Gear in 2017? I don't believe you.

[@thmiojin2118]

​@@leithaziz2716it's true the 3 loyal gg players were really hyped

[@lucaswibisono1316]

​@@TheNobleFiveI thought it's the reverse. It's GG Xrd who save the FGC, and FighterZ not SFV. And also Granblue VS saves the FGC at that time?

[@steviewylde]

I'm from the future and Mena really hates Street Fighter 7. Said Alex makes him want to break his PS7.

[@Hillthugsta]

As if Alex will ever be that good

[@Shiratto]

First gotta remember to put any 3 characters in the game

[@Merlin_tk]

Damn the PS6 had no SF? Tekken wins again.

[@steviewylde]

@@Merlin_tk PS6 had MVC4.

[@randombystander4819]

@@steviewyldedoes it have injustice 3?

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I'm glad that Mena made this tweet because I feel like this time the cycle can be undone,, cuz NO ONE is believing you when you say SFV is better than 6

[@JoeRahl]

Well, he did make a million $ playing SFV so he may be the only one who actually feels that way. Seeing through Rose-tinted glasses and all that, but I definitely get and agree with your point.

[@millerwrightt]

​@@JoeRahlmena didn't make anywhere near a million from winning his 2 capcups

[@JoeRahl]

@@millerwrightt when you exchange it for cost and what it's worth in the DR he was a multimillionaire.

[@Talking_Ed]

​@@JoeRahlHe didn't even play Rose smh

[@JoeRahl]

@@Talking_Ed Never said he did. Rose-tinted glasses is a saying. Reading comprehension? SMH

[@Blargel]

Man, I love the "new game bad, old game good" part of a new game release. This shit is always so funny to me.

[@AspynDotZip]

It's as inevitable as death or taxes lol

[@leithaziz2716]

The FGC discourse talk has been stuck in a loop for years, huh. I thought we would move away from the "propping X game to make Y game look better" mentality at some point. You know you can judge a game or express your love for it on its own merits, right?

[@jonpro9637]

​@leithaziz2716 human nature doesn't change

[@aerchys4779]

@@leithaziz2716As long as new people join the fgc, people will say this shit, until they too become wise.

[@cesarfigueroa6119]

idk sf5 is still shit

[@Lipidman0]

"Imagine if DR cost 0 drive gauge you just hit forward forward with Makoto" lmao it's actually wild to go back and see how BALLISTIC her dash is. For reference the fastest forward dash in SF6 currently is 18 frames (Cammy). In Third Strike Makoto's forward dash is 11 frames

[@Shodan130]

people realising that 3s is trash. nature is healing

[@Jfrost9101]

​@@Shodan130 FGC the only community where you can give someone the most broken fucked up game ever and then they'll get mad at you for dialling it back because "the jank is part of the charm" and shit like that, I know I didn't grow up with them but fuck I don't think I could've handled shit like Old Sagat and Vega in ST, Yun and Chun in 3S, Vanilla Sagat, Seth, or Yun and Elena in 4. I'd be absolutely losing my mind as they unleash the most unhinged fucked up shit this side of X-Factor

[@WantSomeWhiskey818]

The disconnect that players have with this shit always blows me away like... we all played SF2, we all fought Claw and Boxer in that game. The footsies NEVER existed lmao

[@RadikAlice]

Lying to yourself is a hell of a drug. Denialism is a dangerous opioid

[@EdgeO419]

now imagine that super turbo with DI, matches would be like 5 seconds long,

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

@@EdgeO419they're already 5 seconds long

[@Rahilda]

Mena just being salty because Du whooped him. Hold the L.

[@chibinya]

NucleDu is unstoppable! Wonder if he'll talk crap when he eventually loses

[@SeanWashPhoto]

God I love that Damdai clip. It's such a perfect example of gaslighting yourself into a cognative disonance that lots of legacy Street Fighter players do.

[@apizzabreak]

he played like that sometimes too lol. old ryu's air tatsu is unblockable half the time if you hit it on wakeup and i watched him do that plenty.

[@user-ti5rb1mx5x]

It's just when a big fish in a small pond finds its way into the ocean. They might have been good when 300 people where showing up for tournaments but when it's popular and you get millions of people playing and they all start and ground zero, they can't compete at the highest level, so they make up some excuse

[@kurtblacklake]

I see what you mean but consider this: He has a definitive answer to the problem - reversal DP - but he is unable to do. With unblockable OS in 4 you're basically at your opponent's mercy AFAIK.

[@ivaerz4977]

Ok I get it but I believe none of the people in comment section can pull off that makoto combo

[@SeanWashPhoto]

@@kurtblacklake Your working yourself into the same delusion if you believe that Damdai was in any more control against Vega's Wall Dive Oki in ST when compared to some of the worst techniques in SF4. It's basically the same thing, degenerative setplay that circumvents neutral and removes large amounts of gameplay to a shallow execution test.

[@malcovich_games]

Just a reminder to everyone that being a scrub is independent of skill level.

[@FireandIceMage]

“Drive rush is ruining the game its too fast and skips neutral.” Nobody tell them about Makoto players skipping neutral since 99’

[@boostedjizo4380]

Yeah neutral skips in other games are usually character specific. Everyone can skip neutral thanks to drive rush and drive impact.

[@yoshitsune5691]

@@boostedjizo4380imma be that guy, but actually some characters have shit a drive rush, like Manon has a short drive rush, compared to Dj or Juri.

[@EdgeO419]

@@boostedjizo4380 plus Makoto took actual skill, alot of it to do those things in the video, she definitely isn't a character you can pick up and play like that.

[@EdgeO419]

@@yoshitsune5691 lol why would she need it her vortex normals already skip nuetral as it is, she has one of the longest sweep ranges in the game an a screen long double kick.

[@jimjam1556]

@@EdgeO419 iunno bruh Makoto is the most unga character in 3S lol. She does her own thing and you just gotta fight for your life

[@fallonrishiva7841]

The FGC as a person would have the memory of a goldfish.

[@addex1236]

That's because the FGC see like every other videogame fan base is stupid

[@TheLaughingMan42]

That's all competitive communities

[@RadikAlice]

Look, I get the point. But don't slander poor goldfishes like that. Their memory is pretty good actually

[@Koefficient]

When my friends pass me the AUX cord I put on this video... What a banger

[@fra.cassio]

I knew the vitriol about the new game and nostalgia about the old game was inevitable, but it's still wild to see people acting like they miss the Street Fighter with the "oops, we accidentally installed a rootkit on your PC" update and the "someone else fixed our netcode, so we had to break it again" update. SF6 has some weird glitches and some room for improvement, sure, but a least it manages to not be a dumpster fire before any match even starts.

[@gregrogowski4017]

I forgot about the netcode fix. That was capcoms stupidest move ever

[@RadikAlice]

@@gregrogowski4017 Stupid is a genereous way to put it, malicious is more accurate Management couldn't take the hit to their ego it seems, so they did the most Japanese thing. Petty sabotage after having your honor tranished

[@Doople]

Actually every other SF was scrubby and SF6 is the only honest skillful one because I play it

[@tavianfloyd6589]

Calling sf6 scrubbier than sf5 is wild to me. Sf5 had like just 3 mechanics for the longest time. It was way easier to get the fundamentals. Sf6 literally has more things to think about. The stack is literally higher so I don't see how it is actually possible for it to be 'more scrubby than 5'. That isn't me saying sf5 is bad by the way. I actually like 5 but not more than 6 lol

[@tonykirk8295]

I think the idea is that due to the new mechanics players can get far by abusing drive rush/DI instead of having good fundamentals

[@jonpro9637]

​@tonykirk8295 especially since you can go from Thanksgiving dinner to starving on the street in regards to Raw Drive Rush, depending on the character you select

[@malcovich_games]

I don't see how Drive Rush is scrubbier when SF5 has EX Zonk, SF4 has Green Hand and both have a bajillion other safe on block (or even plus lol) neutral skipping tools.

[@YourMasta]

@@tonykirk8295It blows my mind that you watched this video and came to that conclusion.

[@tonykirk8295]

@@YourMasta It's not my conclusion/opinion. I was just saying what people who think SF6 is scrubby think. I was just properly representing the criticism, not agreeing with it.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

And never forget that according to the old tales, in the time of SSF2T, new game changing mechanics like Supers (the debut of Supers in SF) were badly seen by some high level players of the time like Tomo Ohira. That shows this kind of reaction to a new game from part of the community is truly natural and constant from the very beginning.

[@lucaswibisono1316]

Gamers in nutshell for the last part

[@beam5655]

@@lucaswibisono1316 Gamers? This is just human nature.

[@pon3d120]

Sajam said it on the last one of these he did, but people feel "in control" in the older games because they're more familiar with all the options. They know all the lab tech and counters inside and out. Everybody feels just as lost jumping into their game as they do jumping into the newer games.

[@nickkiller-0710]

yeah, I think that deep down a lot of people just don't want to get out of their comfort zone and learn a bunch of new tech from scratch, which honestly is a fair reason to stick to their favorite game and just chill.

[@chriswest6988]

FGC specifics aside, it's crazy how many complaints about seemingly unrelated things boil down to "I worked hard to develop a skill that was valued by society and now because of arbitrary changes outside my control, it is no longer as valued."

[@ExeErdna]

@@nickkiller-0710 Yet they can't do such when often times when a new game comes out they drop the old one like it never existed.

[@nickkiller-0710]

@@ExeErdna SFV still has a bit of a playerbase on Steam which is quite funny, altho I think it's a shame SFIV never got re-released with rollback netcode, I'm not even a huge fan of SFIV, but I really think every SF game should get the rollback treatment to preserve the community around the older titles, atleast ST, Alpha and 3rd Strike are still easy to play online

[@IVISMiLESIVI]

Lmao "ppl can move horizontally across the screen quickly, and I don't like that, they're green and shit."

[@Luunyby]

What we need is a Sajam "How to beat the Twitter random MU" and it's just stuff like that quote about just disengaging when you realize they aren't responding in good faith.

[@Luunyby]

I think an important skill to learn is how to translate the scrubquotes, both the ones you make and the ones others make. And also it's fine to clown and be the clown like it takes literal seconds to fart out the worst of yourself onto twitter.

[@KenshinRyuzaki]

Man, I'm fairly new to the FGC (been playing for the last year), but it's comforting to see that the FGC is just like EVERY other competitive gaming community out there. Complaining about a new patch/game (while praising the last patch/game!), whiplash-inducing levels of knee-jerk reactions, garbage hot-takes, and more! I love it that this happens at the highest levels of play too. It's just a salt-induced Option Select that I'm guilty of doing too whenever I take a bad L.

[@dj_koen1265]

Its human nature

[@decksteroussnail]

"Don't worry about being cheap or honorable, just do what's necessary to win and you'll keep improving." --David Sirlin

[@life-destiny1196]

Thanks, David Sirlin! Now do game dev

[@ckorp666]

"and trademarking a common term used among a community u nominally care about to make sure noone else can use it in their product is what's necessary to win ig" --Dated Sirloin

[@voltekka47]

Thank you for the advice, Chess 2 developer David Sirlin!

[@invincibleloonie]

David Sirlin making the balanced beginner friendly fighting game that will be sure to get all the newcomers invested then adds the character designed to counterhit you for maximum damage by pressing a single button

[@DreBagsGaming]

​@@invinciblelooniethank you! Someone who actually gets it

[@edmundy3952]

As an Abigail main in V, I can confirm my new main Edmond Honda only has honest footsies.

[@gulg5068]

Saying he's having the same experience 4 players had with 5 was clever, it feels like a much more relatable and understandable take

[@fissilewhistle]

Does it? It still looks like retardation to me.

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

When Alpha players played Third Strike. “Tf is this parry sh*t! This ain’t Street Fighter!”

[@nickziegler1904]

I love how ive been following fighting games long enough that even seeing Sajam's talking points are starting to repeat cause yall never stop complaining about the same stupid stuff lmao

[@orpheustelos23]

When SF6 came out I thought, surely we won't have an "old game better new game for babies" for this one since it follows SF5. How wrong I was

[@JoeRahl]

I've said this before, I like Mena, but he's a reactionary/reads player, and SF6 has raw DR which can be hard to react to when done randomly. Every new game is called scrubby by the pros who have their playstyle "nerfed" by a new game's mechanics. I'll just keep playing Blanka and throw out light ball to any green I see, lol.

[@P.Tristan7478]

Pray for Sajam. My man gotta do this shit again 😂

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

He don’t want to. He _has_ to. Cuz it *never* fails. Every release. It’s the same “new game’s for scrubs“ banter.

[@AkibanaZero]

I'm starting to think that footsies were nothing but a conspiracy

[@RadikAlice]

The only footsies are the kicks you don't block

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

They are. If you see ppl use that term, they don’t know much fr. Ppl that do know their sh*t use the term “neutral.” And what you do in neutral changes from game to game. That’s like asking if a fighting game is “balanced.” There is no such thing as a “balanced” fighting game.

[@Cursed_Fruit]

Ground based neutral and footsies is considered honest and good rather than just a game state... like... why THIS aspect the "holy grail"? If we play a grounded game and my character has a longer poke is it a "scrubby" character?

[@ChefDynamic]

cant wait for the tekken 8 version of this video where people magically forget about leroy, fahk, geese, akuma, steve, dvj, julia, jin, lidia, and every other BS character at their strongest

[@Shodan130]

except then it's justified. if i prefer ST or alpha 3. i can just go back and play it with rollback. if you want to play tag 1 or T3 online... good luck lmaoo

[@pretzels7437]

It's crazy funny listening to people defend SFV now especially now when that game had like 0 options when it released. Imagine going back 6 some years back and looking at r mika vs Laura and going "yep, that's real footsies right there" when vshift never existed to save you from VTrigger robbery :)

[@Prodighee]

There is no honest Fighting game

[@jmarx3943]

Footsie is the only honest fighting game.

[@captainharpoon]

​​@@jmarx3943fam they've got raging demon 😂

[@jmarx3943]

@@captainharpoon I forgot all about that lol. You're right.

[@joneyflopay943]

I like how the clips put are in some of the most exaggerated areas of having no footsies 😂 but to be fair, crossover has a point. There is a lot more situations with other characters (and not alpha 3 v-ism) that involve actual neutral. I disagree with him tho that in 6 fundamentals don’t matter as much. I think it matters very much in 6 and probably more in 6 than in 5. (But I wasn’t very good at 5) When I learned 6 with the use of more footsies and fundamental based knowledge, my rank progression went through the roof.

[@EdgeO419]

Like Makoto especially she has to work to get in on most of the cast to do all that stuff

[@Hurtdeer]

they could make a game that spent infinite money on a team of experts and wizards to somehow create the perfect ground based, fair, neutral centric experience of all time, and people would still complain its scrubby compared to the previous game they did well at

[@bug-deal]

wazzaaa

[@chriswest6988]

Or they'd complain it was dead and you could never get any matches. A similar thing happened from time to time with ccgs where people would complain the dominant games were too random and unbalanced and sometimes you didn't even get to play. Then someone would design something that lessened those issues (which were real if overstated), and then it turned out no one wanted to play it, because you never stole any wins from better players, and this meant you needed to be really motivated and stoic to push through the learning curve. And most people didn't actually want that, and the ones who did were still screwed because they wanted more people around to play against (and mostly beat).

[@Hurtdeer]

@@bug-deal waazaaa

[@kerethlewis5280]

Sajam......as a older person who been around fighting game all my life, thank you

[@jamaledwards8118]

This video is gold......pure fucking gold. The high levels of contradiction created and exposed.

[@ice0berg]

Sajam has the take I have. If you lose, your twitter account is disabled for 24 hours. Same shit happens with Mena as with Punk and other people

[@fallonrishiva7841]

Sajam you should should just go ahead and put out your "Are one button inputs for scrubs?" video now so you have it ready for when Project-L is released.

[@TheOxiongarden]

What bothers me is : Mena is a PHENOMENAL player, but given the chance, he'll play in the most "scrubby" way possible. He won Evo with Birdie by never blocking, kept bull horning in every situation when the move used the beat strikes and avoid throws. Kept throwing that unpunishable sweep twice, kept throwing random ex bullheads etc etc. He also won CEO with Blanca by never blocking. He's an amazing player, but always tend to abuse the cheap stuff (which is ok, it's part of the game, and it's a talent). But I don't understand, how out one anyone, he's the one saying this.

[@SomeoneThatIsHappy]

Street Fighter 6 is the scrubbiest Street Fighter ever! I miss the glory days when the OG Street Fighter 5 came out with no content and terrible online

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

No no the OG OG street fighter was the best, I had soooooooo much fun playing vanilla sf4 sagot

[@Zarosguth]

What gets me about stuff like this is that people always make these vague allusions to some sort of idealised vision of what the old/previous games were like. Like, they might as well literally be saying what Sajam said at the beginning with the whole "every time we meet in neutral we take ten steps back" thing; it's equally accurate. It's fine if you like the previous games better. Everyone has their favourite version or iteration of a thing. But let's not pretend the stuff is/was something it really is not.

[@jamesw5713]

Funniest thing ever reading salt from SFV players calling SF6 scrubby LMAO SFV is by far the scrubbiest version of Street Fighter put to code.

[@bii_gii]

the fighting game player arithmetic goes crazy

[@NessOnett8]

This might be my favorite video on KZbin. It's definitely top of the month.

[@SlaineReigns]

Not even halfway the vid and im dying of laughter already lol. Definitely honest street fighter on display at 2:20 onwards 😂

[@usagijojo]

The clips are funny, however, if you do look back at EVO 2015 Grand Finals for USFIV, you'll see that the majority of the set is played at mid to long range with some close-range play / mixups. This is a contrast to 2022 SFV EVO Grand Finals, which was majority close-range with occasional mid to long range play. I think it's the former types of sets that people are longing for when they say these things, even if they know old SF games still had their fair share of BS.

[@icekiller1594]

Honest to god SFV is the only SF game that I've played that I genuinely hate, I bitch about SF6's issues a lot but man it's the most invested I've felt in a fighting game in a LONG time

[@MrTD714]

I agree I bought a ps4 to play 5 and I was disappointed immediately the worst sf game ever

[@lazzygnome4060]

Hot take, these games have been consistently getting better over time, not more scrubby and worse.

[@ParrryHottter]

SF5 sucked (and still sucks)

[@Mewtwo332]

@@ParrryHottter no

[@lazzygnome4060]

@@ParrryHottter good to see the target audience for this video is still here to constantly shout their dog shit opinions 😅

[@bug-deal]

@@Mewtwo332theyre right

[@Mewtwo332]

@@bug-deal SF5 did suck for a long time, but it's been in a very good state since the last season.

[@squiiddpope7679]

Anyone who thinks that SF2 was fair needs to actually go and play that game against other people. The game is so whacked out it’s crazy

[@Shodan130]

outside of claw... i think it is quite fair. the characters killing you off of one touch are not the characters you see at the top of tier lists. the only character who has a feasable TOD and is near top tier is dee jay. the game does have it's bullshit but it's pretty rudamentary to claim that the game is nothing but this bullshit. outside of claw i'll concede to that. source: i'm always on fightcade playing that shit lol

[@jpVari]

I honestly think this might be a good process for the community to go through. there's a shitload of a new players who are going to see 'sf6 is scrubby' in twitch chat, youtube comments, and twitter tthreads, and it's good that they understand where it's coming from and that it's not accurate.

[@matrix3509]

IDK about "good", but it is inevitable, as Sajam demonstrated with that Damdai clip with SFIV. I still remember that if you were an 09'er you were basically treated like a leper by the FGC boomers.

[@aki42]

@@matrix3509 in sf4 I got shit on for playing with a xbox 360 controller and a keyboard. Now I'm just a strong cheater who needs to be nerfed for using the same exact tools.

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

⁠@@aki42maybe you should drop that info again lol *XBOX 360* like that’s another way to spot the new ppl in FGC. They have no idea Xbox were *the* best experience for fighting games. It wasn’t until recently tournaments swapped to PlayStation. Cheers dude 👍🏻 real OG status. Did you get sh*t on by stick players?

[@aki42]

@@OhNoJoshEdits Yeah it was "real og stick players". I actually had an xbox 360 but I only played fighting games on my pc so I wouldn't have to pay for online lol. Initially got inspired to play keyboard after playing vs a really strong chun player. Thought it was quite interesting that controllers were seen as objectively worse before but later became "strong". It seems the community doesn't care what you do as long as you don't win evo/cap cup with it.

[@Talking_Ed]

That chun offscreen combo is like, hokuto no ken levels 🤣

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

BRUH! What I was thinking! Almost expected *FATAL K.O.*

[@umphreak9999]

As usual, most of these sorts of opinions are just thinly veiled covers for either "I can't get away with the same BS as the last game" or "I can't wrap my head around a mechanic or matchup, therefore game bad"

[@matrix3509]

I just want to strap Crossover down to a chair, Clockwork Orange style, and force him to watch 24 hours of Decapre footage.

[@iamsancho443]

People just spam block in SF6 its scrubby.

[@sheikhu1039]

Dee Jay drive rushing into the trash is hilarious 😂

[@Apricator]

Lol, where was that?

[@EarthLordCJ]

@@ApricatorIt’s in the thumbnail.

[@sheikhu1039]

@@Apricator the thumbnail

[@cellP8]

lol

[@Apricator]

@@EarthLordCJ Ah, cheers, completely missed the thumbnail

[@nicksgamingchannel]

I honestly think SF6 has the best neutral game since SF3 because of the universal defensive mechanics. I'm baffled by people complaining about this game with footsies and such as if SFV and SF4 wasn't largely people doing the same type of pokes for openings to pull off their gameplan. I feel like SF6 finally punishes you for just doing the same thing over and over again because there's a way for every character to hard read you with parrying.

[@originalscreenname44]

Gotta love how they try to change history by claiming the older game was better because they played the final version for years when everything was data mined and solved. People keep acting like SF4 was some perfect gem of a game when Vanilla Sagat was murdering everyone and everyone was crying about how much they hated fighting Rufus. This happens every time. The game isn’t even two months old, there’s still lots to figure out.

[@M0HAK0]

Lmao i dont feel bad for any sf 5 player. Hold the drive rush , throw loops and drive impact. Yall said 5 had " footsies" so show us in 6. No more v trigger from wakeup jabs to save you or crush counter fishing.

[@johnm6495]

Sajam’s insight and level-headedness has him like the dad-figure of the FGC, where salty players be throwing their tantrums while he waits patiently, and when they’re done he just says “You get it all out, son?” Of course, the world needs its Leffens and salty Menards, or else we’d have nothing to laugh at. But please, FGC, elevate this man’s presence with more commentary offers. He is actively curing the world of some of its internet-induced brain rot

[@_Digishade_]

Nah, fuck that shit. Street Fighter V was the most boring shit I've ever played. It was boring for years and by the time it was almost kind of not boring, I was beyond over it. New game good, old game shit.

[@AMnotQ]

YOU ARE SPITTING BROTHER!!!!!!!

[@LieseFury]

"this game rewards bad players which is why i'm the second best player"

[@MrBoltstrike]

This is just like playing MTG. When I play my friend, he can beat me and I take it on the chin. GG, that was a cool move. But when **__I__** win, it's bullshit nonsense from a broken ass game with unfair activations and cards. Same shit, different day.

[@ssgcheddar5785]

As a Marisa main in Plat 2 (and climbing 😅), Im having a BLAST both when I lose and when I win! My win rate is like 70% + so yeah Im winning a lil bit but my losses actually mean more to me! I need experience bad against JP, Dhalsim and Chun Li etc... Im 41 and have played in the FGC since arcade days and SF6 feels really good right now to me! Great content as usual Sajam!

[@NEWGREATNESS]

If you can't blame your team, feeders, afkers, or dcs, the only option left is to blame the game itself.

[@theycallmejojo6090]

Clearly the last honest street fighter game is the arcade version of Street Fighter the Movie the game.

[@AnhDonoi]

The day the arcade version of street fighter the movie the game was released was the most important day of your gaming life, but for the arcade version of street fighter the movie the game, it was Tuesday

[@stevenalvarez2924]

Oh thank god someone here is showing the hypocrisy of the "elites". SF6 may not be "their" perfect Street Fighter, but it is the best Street Fighter released in decades. I'm a nooby Mcscrubby when it comes to anything ranked. I have yet to feel "cheated" out of a victory. You see that Drive Gauge and their super bar and know they can do dmg if both are full. Why are both bars full? The reason for that is because you didn't push the opponent hard enough to use up their gauges. Git Gud.

[@IRenegadEEEEE]

Sajam is just about the only sane person in the FGC at this point. Everyone is just a bunch of crying babies.

[@ThaMxUp]

one day I came to a pretty big realization, scrubby is just another way of saying "finds value in things that I discount" the thing that always annoys me about this is like SFV is still there, SF4 is still there, you can hop on fightcade and play all the others, don't let a shiny new number stop you..... same with almost every other game

[@axis8396]

New game bad until newer game comes out and ruined the honest footsies and muscle memory/game knowledge built up over the last however many years and the next game is even worse cause it'll release as soon as we get used to current/now old game

[@Kek_VS_oops]

You know you could go over these games on a fundamental level and point out actual scrubby things. But instead you gaslight and go for obvious bugs / oversights from the developers. But why would we want to entertain an honest and insightful conversation?

[@RglMrn]

God Lord, Sajam, you have me dying over here my man. Comedy fucking gold.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

I respect MenaRD a lot, but I just watched that Grand Finals and he got out-footsied the entire time. He kept whiffing attacks, making risky jumps, and using Drive Impact in neutral. KnuckleDu countered with optimal normals and devastating combos.

[@Gokulover69420]

We add a “for real” to how honest a game is per each installment that comes after lol

[@lucaswibisono1316]

Next thing you know, it becomes fr fr spam, just like how weebs doing it when Chainsaw Man was a thing

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

The only reason why someone would say that SFV is the better game ... its if that was your first SF game .... cause the only saving grace of SFV was that it was profitable and encouraged the creation of SF6... cause it was TOTAL TRASH GAMEPLAY from beginning to end

[@zumba.c]

E Honda has the highest win rate in nearly every level of ranked.

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

He'll get toned down and it's not uncommon for weirder characters to be online demons

[@Harvey_Mod]

Same cycle, rinse and repeat. It is mad funny😂 Can't wait for SF7 when they revise history

[@rookie1405]

The Street Fighter community is sounding a lot like a the Call of Duty community right now.

[@lucaswibisono1316]

Always has been?

[@sl11tenderhand]

I needed this perspective because I just came from the Eventhubs "is SF6 the scrubbiest Street Fighter ever?" video & despite not being an expert it was obvious their opinions really sucked.

[@Halaa_]

sf4 was such an honest game, god I miss el fuerte

[@AnhDonoi]

Vortex? What’s that?

[@Shodan130]

@@AnhDonoi at least they had to knock me down first. i just blocked a long range normal and died from it in 6

[@AnhDonoi]

@@Shodan130 what scenario is this?

[@Shodan130]

@@AnhDonoi nothing specific, I blocked a normal and had to guess because of normal into drive rush. I guessed wrong I died.

[@AnhDonoi]

@@Shodan130 IDK man, USF4 is my favorite of the entire franchise, but you are talking about an installation (SF4) that includes an attack that can be unblockable anywhere on the screen and also be dashed out of, unblockable set ups that lead to raw Ultras, invincible yolo DP that were safe with FADC, DP FADC Ultra is 60% of your health, vortex’s galore and healing. Every game has its problems

[@6bgHateAccount]

i love seeing people say they want makoto back knowing full well makoto players always had dr and a broken ass throw (im makoto players (i want makoto back))

[@vyris2663]

I'm laughing my ass off as a 3S Makoto and Fuerte player 😂😂😂

[@jaksida300]

lol MenaRD pulled the Punk tech mere weeks after he beat Punk in CEO and Punk did the same