The SECRET behind the UNIQUE tuning & guitar parts in the Goo Goo Dolls’ “Iris” ft. @timpierceguitar

Iris by the @googoodolls is one of the most iconic songs of all time and is chocked full of amazing guitar licks that keep you hooked. Recorded for a film, this music feels so cinematic. Today we get to speak to the session musician @timpierceguitar who created this sound with his mandolin licks and guitar playing. Tim tells us about recording Iris with the Goo Goo Dolls and how this one gig lead to so much more. You're in for a treat with this one.
Our channel is all about reacting to the original artwork of some amazing musicians. You should check out the original pieces of music below to get the full picture of the greatness we are reacting to. You can find them here;
Goo Goo Dolls - Iris • Goo Goo Dolls - Iris [...
The music recommended by the @DeadWax crew in this episode is below;
Tears For Fears - Sowing The Seeds Of Love (Official Music Video) • Tears For Fears - Sowi...
Kalimankou Denkou (The Evening Gathering)
• Kalimankou Denkou (The...
Big Thief - Paul [Official Audio]
• Big Thief - Paul [Offi...
You can find Tim's amazing channel here: / timpierceguitar
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[@bobbyschneck6413]

I was the guitar tech on this session, the whole track with tracking, overdubs and strings done in 3 days. Amazing times!

[@user-qh3fo1pd3f]

Do you know the Guild model that was used in the video of the song?

[@ginogenero7972]

Turns out that unknowingly, Tim Pierce is the guitarist that I’ve spent my life trying to emulate. And his humility and enthusiasm keep me chasing the dream over 60 years later.

[@williamb3323]

Ditto

[@DialogDontArgue]

what? how old is he and how old are you??

[@ginogenero7972]

I'm 61 and Tim 63 I think. I started at 4 so 57yrs would be more precise. Better at guitar than math though lol.

[@DialogDontArgue]

@@ginogenero7972 right on, cheers man I forgot that some guitarist started that early.

[@TheFoldMusic]

Lol this! I love how we probably never considered that a studio musician could’ve ever been a thing on these types of “band” songs. We did it once in my band and there was so much resentment happening in the room over the “Livin La Vida Loca” guy.

[@tommynoble3428]

I got to meet Tim once at Norman's Rare Guitars a few years ago. He was standing right behind me and said he what I was playing sounded really pretty. It took me a second to realize it was him and said "Holy shit, you're Tim Pierce. Oh my god, thank you!" He gave me that signature smile and giggled. Lifted my spirits for a month and each time I think about it.

[@WithTheGrain]

That’s awesome; as a session guy I have to imagine it was great to be recognized since it happens occasionally but not so frequently as to be a burden.

[@cooldebt]

@@WithTheGrain One of the most frustrating things with streamed music these days is that there is no album cover to give all the information about personnel, audio engineer etc. I follow The Consouls they had to get a session guitarist in last minute as the usual guy got covid. He did a wonderful job (especially on the track that was in 11 - alternating 6 and 5 - here in case you are insterested kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6SngWx6pdWgiNk) and made me wish that session players were acknowledged - without being mobbed ;) - more. (We could see him as it was live but on an audio recording....)

[@rome8180]

I love that he's not too aloof to compliment someone else on their playing.

[@dragongamer4753]

I had the same reaction to seeing rick beato at atlanta discount music lol. Although tim pierce is an absolute legend.

[@kane6529]

That’s cool Tommy 😎🤘

[@justinguitarcia]

Hey guys, may I make a suggestion: lets get a spotify playlist going of all the suggested listening yall mention at the end of the episodes, always such good stuff and it would be awesome to have it all in once place

[@nicktaylor1902]

+1 this would be amazing!!

[@amazingmono]

And KZbin playlist please

[@jasonremy1627]

This!

[@Abazions]

Yes pweeez

[@hegemonycricket2182]

Yes

[@lukepearce1580]

This channel is the antidote for music snobbery. Jack and Ryan’s enthusiasm and joy is infectious. I love it so, so much.

[@emendez]

for a while. They overact a bit. Tim is a Jewel.

[@stephenclarke2481]

They never let anyone answer a single question. The ultimate in obnoxious interviewers.

[@nate_4594]

Not really. They do get exited and interrupt sometimes, but I’ve seen a lot worse

[@therainman7777]

Damn, haters out in full force

[@simont1299]

Constantly interrupt his story telling.

[@TillyP]

Jesus you guys really couldn't let him finish one sentence without cutting in, huh

[@bldallas]

Bah humbug! They were gushing about his amazing playing and he appeared to be enjoying it tremendously.

[@davewhite3193]

Exactly...Get off my lawn…. oh be quiet

[@dalejones4322]

A master who is so humble and modest. "I'm just faking it." This was said seriously but we laughed because we knew that just because he plays slide different doesn't mean he's faking it. I am going straight to his channel.

[@Barb.....]

Tim's channel is great!

[@lantose]

Tim’s channel is fantastic and maybe you already knew about him and were a subscriber? However, he has some great stories regarding the hit songs he’s played on throughout his career. Check out his story about his guitar work and the lead solo on Bon Jovi’s “Little Runaway”, as he recorded it with Jon before he even put his band together! Have a great day!

[@JoshSchroeder]

This is such a great interview. Tim Pierce, obvious studio legend, also comes across as one of the most likable, honorable, and kind musicians around. I didn't realize I'd been a fan of his since the moment I heard "Iris." Love it.

[@mk3driftmotion]

I had no idea this man was responsible for the guitar parts in some of my all-time favorite songs!!! Thank you!

[@driverjamescopeland]

This was at a height of alternative instruments in mainstream music. Mandolins, banjos, and dobros were adding awesome color to mainstream music throughout the 90s... and it was amazingly fresh feel, coming out of the overly synthetic 80s.

[@NICUofficial]

amazing how the cycles go I was a classical pianist, now exploring deep synths is all I really want to do I'm sure in a few years I'll want to learn mandolin and cello for my songwriting :)

[@groofay]

Man, I grew up hearing Iris. It's wild to find out that every non-lyrics part of the song I really gravitated toward came from this one guy.

[@MainPrism]

Exact same here. This blew my mind. As a guitarist I knew of Tim and how bad@$$ he is. Somehow I never knew he did this song. I always wondered why the parts I liked so much didn't seem to fit the way Johnny does stuff any other time. Turns out it's because it wasn't Johnny doing it at all 😂😂

[@alex0589]

have Tim back 5 or 6 more times and he would never run out of insane stories about insanely famous songs he played on

[@chumleyspedalboards2037]

The guy is amazing. There are so many studio guys that people have never heard of, but are actually the ones they're hearing on the tracks. Tim Pierce is my new favorite guitarist.

[@riffhammeron]

"The best idea wins all the time". Man, I wish that was true.

[@DGlesterH]

I was in 8th Grade when this song came out. This thing was EVERYWHERE for about 3 years and still got regular rotation for about a decade. And as a 13 year old, the beauty of the song was very emotional and the lyrics can very much apply to an angsty teen.

[@NICUofficial]

I was there too and miss those days :)

[@davidjacobs5486]

Still can't believe this kind of content is free. Thank you Jack!... and Ryan!... and Tim! Phunking geniuses..

[@chico9641]

I love these videos so much. The awesome thing about music is that revealing the magician’s tricks doesn’t lessen the enjoyment of the song, it enhances it and makes you appreciate how the puzzle pieces fit together so beautifully. Incredible stuff guys!

[@kingma1513]

I have never thought of it this way, but you're exactly right. Well said!

[@andrewquinlan6096]

Great comment,so well said

[@Funglutton]

Not dissimilar to cinematic 'making of' DVD extras which aren't really a thing any more since the move to streaming.

[@denmar355]

Flat Iron mando when they were made by Gibson was the poor man’s F5. Tim loves a great value.

[@G60syncro]

Exactly! We were listening to a playback of a song and I had to tweak something in the drums for a moment and the guitar player was like "That's what you're playing?" Referring to a bit in the song which is a bluesy shuffle but I throw in a triplet on the hi-hats every now and then. I said yeah and showed him... Basically it's just a double on half open hats with a swift stomp on the pedal to get that third one in... It does'nt look like much but it sounds sweet and it's all smoke and mirrors!!

[@magnumopus511]

This video just shows how good and sensible Tim Pierce as session musician and guitarist. He plays for the song and he considers his client (Goo Goo Dolls) reputation.👍 I perfectly and fully understand were he's comming from, choosing a "slide" solo instead of shredding is really cool to be honest, it's perfect for that song. Because based on a guitarist perspective and as a shredder who love's guitar centric stuff (Malmsteen, Metallica, Megadeth)....shredding is realy a big deal for the guitarists ego😁, Mr. Pierce is right. And thanks that it solved the mystery of "Iris"- its a puzzle for us guitarists even for the shredders for decades, never knew it's a mandolin and the open tuning "BDDDDD" rocks!..sounds like 4 guitars, all of us are playing it "wrong". Some play the intro in Standard (Bm-A-G-Em) with fills, while others play it in Standard Octave. It's actually more mysterious than figuring out a solo on shreddy song parts. So Cheers on this Video. SUBSCRIBED!🙂

[@jakebeal8095]

I love how this song was made for a movie no one involved had seen yet, and this combo of weirdly-tuned guitar and mandolin perfectly represented the themes of humanity and divinity in call and answer. And it was all kind of made up.

[@BassByTheBay]

Awesome that you got Tim! Really enjoy his videos with Rick Beato. He's very open, down-to-Earth, and tells great stories. 🤩

[@lowfidelity499]

Beato

[@The-615]

Studio musicians don't get nearly enough recognition. Great episode!

[@marktyler3381]

It's a very specific skill set. It's more listening than doing. And you need to be fast fast fast.

[@MrWastingmytime59]

Thanks to being a fan of Rick Beato's channel I was introduced to Tim. I had the impression that he was "just" a friend of Rick's that he enjoyed discussing guitar with. I've since learned that Tim is a major heavyweight in the guitar world. "Orchestrating guitar parts" is a great description of the work he does. Such a talent to be able to come in cold and improvise parts that bring an already good song to a whole new level is magic, and Tim has it....and to be so humble...no wonder why he's as successful as he is.

[@rickjohns689]

Makes the most iconic slide solo in history, and says he's "winging it". LOL. Tim is such a nice, humble dude.

[@brandonlbartlett]

Whoa....calm down now. I love Tim Pierce and the song. But this is crazy talk. Duane Allman and many others would like a word with you 🤣

[@SPENCERH30]

@@brandonlbartlett he said "one of", not "the"

[@hombre2244]

Reading is not your strong suit eh??

[@nate_4594]

@@SPENCERH30 lol read again

[@SPENCERH30]

@@nate_4594 wow I don't know how I misread that lmao. I guess my brain was trying to make an absurd statement sound less crazy. 😂

[@NytronX]

The solo in Iris and Scar Tissue are some of my favorite solos ever, pure melodic bliss.

[@MotoLen51]

He's as humble as he is good, which is probably a big part of why he gets so many gigs.

[@alangallo1023]

Tim Pierce! Such a humble and brilliant musician. Thanks for having him on the show.

[@beniaminsg]

I was the drum tech on this session, it started on Johns couch and then the whole track with tracking, overdubs and strings done in 3 days. All the guys are so nice , down to earth and professional , pleasure to work with and it was done in 72 H

[@jasonremy1627]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. These videos are so important as historical documents. Y'all are talking to the people who were in the room on some of the most important art of the last 50 years, and this kind of thing is so vital to telling the story of music. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@CianRourke]

Tim Pierce. The nicest guy in music.

[@RockTheBass]

Iris AND Don't Dream It's Over? Two of my all time favorites! ❤

[@loungezinger]

Just smiled for 25 minutes straight. Thanks :)

[@harmonicresonance182]

Tim's smile in the beginning was awesome to see! He's one happy dude

[@JohnCline]

I got to listen to Tim as a teenager with his three-piece band "Traveler" who regularly played at Ned's in Albuquerque. I was in the other band that was basically the house band at Ned's. Tim was freakishly good even back then and was a really nice, humble guy. None of that has changed.

[@KhabalBand]

Love the chemistry between everyone here. Makes me wanna watch this more so

[@danstenhouse]

The hotcake pedal was designed and made by Paul Crowther from New Zealand. Awesome pedals. He was also drummer for Split Enz.

[@TheReubenKincaid]

Love it. Going deep. Split Enz first drummer

[@cooldebt]

Dead Wax should look at 'I Got You' or 'Message To My Girl' (though later than Paul Crowther era)

[@joesankey2005]

Very cool to know. And ironic, considering Pierce's work with Crowded House (Neil Finn - singer/guitarist for CH - was half of Split Enz with his brother Tim, for the uninitiated.)

[@petervanrayne5120]

Tim Pierce is so humble. He creates something iconic and just acts like it was a privilege to have had the opportunity.

[@dottyjyoung]

Freaking amazing.

[@stoneysdead689]

That's because he's a studio musician- you can't expect to work as a studio musician if you continually try to be the star of the album. Your job is to disappear and let the band take the credit- and to never play anything that takes the focus off them and their song. Egos in music are unbelievably high and fragile- if you come in and blow the band away- you're going to start a huge problem and probably be let go. You have to figure out how to create something iconic while at the same time- not bruising their ego or making them feel like you're better than they are and are going to steal the spotlight.

[@iamkerok]

How improvisational session players must be always blows my mind. And then the band tours with the material they created....

[@lantose]

Absolutely! Tim’s channel is fantastic and he has some great stories regarding the hit songs he’s played on throughout his career. Perhaps you know all about him, but if not, check out his story about Tim’s guitar work and the lead solo on Bon Jovi’s “Little Runaway”, as he recorded it with Jon before he even put his band together! Have a great day!

[@Kblmquist]

Wow, he’s a musical genius. That slide solo, nothing else would have fit the story the song was telling like that slide solo. But I don’t know how many musicians would have realized it in an instant like he did. The build up and to come up with that solo, holding on like he does nothing else would have worked. But I don’t think in a million years I would think such a big build up would go to something like that. He just amazes me, and he’s just such a nice guy too.

[@DJDOGG31]

Tim really loves what he does and you can hear it when he talks about it. Humble and always so candid about the sessions he was in.

[@hudsonja]

"Slightly different..." Jack: "Slide-ly different?" One of us! One of us!! Lol

[@hackapump]

Tim is a legend. His work with Rick Springfield in the 80s still stands out, it's so musical, even when he was shredding. I bet RS thanks his lucky star he met Tim.

[@bstemwedel]

Absolutely agree!

[@javascript6948]

Yes his work with Rick was incredible some of my favorite guitar work

[@manfredoliveras3196]

Listening to this I thought my face would explode with emotion. This is the power of creation.

[@frankie5072]

Tim is the MAN! Kids, take note, this is what TRUE talent, and hard work looks like. That and his attitude, I’ve not heard one bad thing about him, one of the nicest guys around.

[@MrPhilm00r]

I had just finished basic training and arrived at tech school for active duty Air Force when Iris came out. It was all over the radio. I was 18 and just beginning the whirlwind of life that was to follow. I only spent a few weeks at tech school, but every time that I hear the song I am right back there in that moment in my mind. That's what incredible music does. It becomes part of those memories. Also, I'm so happy to hear Tim give props to Sewing the Seeds of Love. That has always been one of my favorite Tears For Fears songs.

[@dpclerks09]

Also, this is one of the best song breakdowns on youtube. The way that Jack and Ryan's questions/input reveals SO much about the songwriting process. Specifically how Ryan pointed out that "oh he was using the same chords over and over again in his demo" to really show just how much a basic song can transform in the studio with the right people playing the right thing, at the right time. That's where the magic happens.

[@matthewbyars7171]

Tim really is one of the best of all time. Great interview, guys. Thanks. Keep up the great work. Love the channel.

[@bstemwedel]

It gives me so much joy to see Tim Pierce getting the public recognition he deserves for his talents at this stage in his career.

[@JordanSeal]

Thank you for this video. As a teenager, my friends and I would drive around blasting this song, pretending to be melodramatic but secretly loving every second. To learn about how it was made reopens all of those amazing memories and feelings. I think I'll go play alone in my room and cry a little bit.

[@jpjapers]

You guys should check out Jon Gomm. Probably not one for this show but i just think youd like how technical his playing is. Would be great to see you decipher what he is doing without watching his videos first.

[@JochenVogel]

Yes! Go on, invite him! He's a great story-teller, too.

[@SIQN-]

For one, love the fact that Tim is on “Don’t Dream…” one of my all time faves. Fun side note, my first band played with GGD way back in the old old days. Well before they blew up.

[@LP-123]

Somehow you made Dead Wax EVEN BETTER with Tim Pierce. He is such a joyful, thoughtful, humble personality. I am endlessly inspired by him as both a guitar player and seemingly good human being. Thanks so much!

[@Cowcodude]

Alternate tunings are so much fun. A few years back, I became totally obsessed with the tunings Nick Drake used on his record Pink Moon. Highly recommend checking 'em out!

[@francescocagnacci]

Same! I am now! Makes you look at your instrument in another way

[@Cowcodude]

​@@amremorse Hell yeah I can. I used a modified Sonic Youth tuning for a short-lived punk band ten years back. Fun stuff!

[@Cowcodude]

@@amremorse Oh man, let me think here. I think it was something like CGCFFC. Having the B and G strings tuned to the same note allowed for some easy dissonance! Wasn't the smartest alternate tuning, but it got the job done. Hmm, I keep forgetting to try out that "new standard" tuning, perhaps the time is nigh!

[@contemplativeidiot1]

The Andy Shauf shout out was awesome. His writing is outstanding

[@MoneyGrip70]

Rick Beato & Tim are AMAZING PEOPLE

[@diegorhoenisch62]

With lots of respect to the musicians involved, one point worth considering is that Jack Joseph Puig, who engineered this track(check out his discography), was and is a remarkably creative and exceptionally painstaking craftsman. Iris shows off his skills well. Cheers, Alan Tomlinson

[@MoneyGrip70]

Rick Beats& Tim are AMAZING PEOPLE

[@MyDearFrodo]

Something about Deadwax makes me feel like I'm part of the stories. Love this show so much!

[@HvyMetal4Ever]

Confession time: I never knew about this channel. It made its way into my recommend, and I had to click on it. GGD has always been a favorite. I played Dizzy up the girl what felt like a thousand times in the 90s. This is a beautiful blend of Rick Beato, and VH1 behind the music. This really gives a chance for session players to shine. They are often the unsung hero of track. People like Tim Pierce and Carol Kaye made certain songs that much better. Thanks!

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

The reason I love Tim's playing, is because instead of laying on his prowess as a guitar player, which he most certainly has, he aims to do the song justice, whatever that happens to be. He latches onto the emotional value and carries it forward. That takes much more than playing skill, but the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and feel what they are feeling. I have heard more than once already that he added the missing pieces the artist he was working for couldn't quite hit on the head, and nailed it in one take.

[@MrKeefelm]

A musician’s musician! I wish I’d realised earlier that it’s not about how fast or how much you can play but what can you leave out to emphasise the emotional core of the song. That’s what connects with people and what turns a fairly basic composition into a classic song.

[@JochenVogel]

"Iris" is one of the greatest Rock-waltzes ever! Thanks for sharing this peak behind the curtain.

[@brysonmaggard5087]

Tim is a god tier musician and the coolest dude to boot. He even played on one of the best short lived band toy matinee! I’d also love to see you guys dissect some of the beastly bass lines of Mr. John Taylor 🤟

[@MrKMayle]

One of THE most interesting videos I have ever seen on KZbin. Thanks Guys!

[@MaxGamer64]

Love seeing the mention of the Bulgarian Female Choir. It is astoundingly beautiful music that more people should know about. Jack has always got top recommendations. That small section is one of my favorite parts of the show.

[@oneigniter]

Love Tim Pierce, could have watched an hour of this, feel cheated. So many great songs you could have dove into.

[@mcgarnagizzle]

Check out Tim's video on this song, it's 30 min long and he has the producer in the video in it.

[@davideseganti]

“Slidely different”: amazing, Jack.

[@TheFlyingKiwiNZ]

I can thank the youtube algo for leading me here, and you guys for introducing me to Tim. I had ZERO idea he was responsible for these amazing licks on Iris and countless others. I'm now off to check out his channel!

[@luispsanmiguel]

I cant imagine the creativity oozing from that interview room. Just sitting behind the screen here is already so invigorating. The way you guys talk about music feels, technicality is just so heart warming to aspiring musicians. Its the kind of talk that would keep me entertained for hours...

[@cooldebt]

💯

[@marknjudi]

Some of my favorite songs! "Sowing the Seeds of Love", "Don't Fream it's Over". "Iris." Thanks for your contributions to the music, Tim.

[@ultratone]

Fan of jack’s original solo stuff, and then pomplamoose, and then scary pockets, stories, etc… been around this KZbin-ness for a while, so it’s no surprise that this hits me just right. It’s the same way I feel and talk about music. Glad you all are doing this.

[@philipkarovski281]

Tim is such an awesome musician. I love his solo on Runaway by Bon Jovi I couldn't believe it was him, also You'll be in my heart is such a beautiful song

[@strider2175]

I just watched Professor of Rock's interview with Johnny Rzeznick, and he was so thankful and humble, said that whenever something would be beyond his ability as a musician, Tim would come in and lift the song up.

[@TheMusicRoomAU]

I love the engagement and enthusiasm here 😍

[@smashingpumpkin1986]

The solo is so good. You think it's about to peak, but it just teases you and pulls back.

[@bertwesler1181]

Tim Blows me away~!

[@ShadowWizard123]

He did Don't Dream It's Over as well? Absolute legend.

[@DemoDougie]

This episode was AMAZING!

[@luismaza5640]

This whole video is pure gold!!!!!!

[@samsings3880]

I could listen to Tim tell musicians tales for hours. Just a really calm familiar demeanour.

[@johnmoser2689]

Honestly Iris is still one of my favorite songs Such fantastic feel and emotion... perfect

[@random22026]

GORGEOUSNESS. Tim Pierces the heart. 💘💘

[@smashstudios6722]

It's all about the song.

[@BNC593]

Love this! You guys really connect on this. Please have Tim back on. He’s got some great stories he shared with Rick Beato! Tim is great musician and certainly a cool guy to hang and talk about the good old days. Many funny stories.

[@charlescdt6509]

Yes another bangger, Tim is a BEAST. Rick Beato is coming to your neck of the woods soon, you need to get Tim to hook yall up.

[@saltee_crcker2363]

i dont have a musical bone in my body but i love listening to it and i love watching people geek out with total passion in their area of expertise....would love to see this channel break down some of The Tragically Hip's songs....

[@rk41gator]

"Did you know it was a hit at the time" No! Great musicians just know how to serve the song. When Phil is asked about 'In the Air Tonight' and his drum fill, he says he did not say "WOW. That is it!" The one they used could have been one of several. So interesting that so much of the greatest music is some how serendipitous. Very cool. Of course it is clear you must know what the hell you are doing and be phenomenally good for this stuff 'to just happen'. And Tim is all the above.

[@imru3533]

Legend!

[@harbosonius]

I love how humble and down to earth Tim is. The man is a freaking legend among studio musicians. It's amazing how many things he has put his touch on, many of them become the melodic hook of the entire tune.

[@soulGrafitti]

Great episode guys.

[@JamesBach-hz1pc]

Iris, such a good song

[@bendavies2990]

Brilliant episode!! Really enthralling listening to Tim Pierce talk about his experience!

[@md-ps2hx]

Incredibly engaging clip. The big plus point is that Tim Pierce being an experienced KZbinr he comes across so well. His speaking style - even the gaps - are measured and not wasted. Loved it!

[@sheldonfernandes]

Love Tim. What a legend. His work on Black or White is some of my favourite guitar work! Love Dead Wax - probably my favourite show on KZbin.

[@5roundsrapid263]

I didn’t like most ‘90s music, but this song has always stood out. It has aged incredibly well. The mandolin part is classic.

[@cooldebt]

Another great guest! So good to showcase such a seasoned session player.

[@byebyecitybyebye]

What an incredibly humble dude, would love to hear more from him!

[@RonniReMIX]

Great Video, Great Guest, and GREAT Insight... * Good work at this channel!

[@josephhermesdelacruz5094]

Tim brings class to any content he is on.

[@queenkejee]

A year into playing guitar and learned iris over the weekend. One of my favourite songs I’ve learned so far

[@tylerarrigoni7700]

Love the passion and enjoyment here