The Secret of Ordon Village - Zelda: Twilight Princess Theory

[@BanditGames]

Favorite moment from Twilight Princess?

[@knowledgeseeker4614]

Saving Colin.

[@Finland-1717]

Every ganon cutscene

[@juanma250297]

The Link Vs Ganondorf horse battle

[@edo5977]

All of it

[@muinatsudragneel]

Ganon fights

[@DootBear]

The comparison of Kokiri forest to the Garden of Eden makes a lot of sense.

[@MattMorency]

Part of Christian theology also says that Adam and Eve were innocent (like children) and didn't know how to have their own children (the fruit that introduced death gave them knowledge). So to continue with this stretch of a theory, basically they went through puberty finally.

[@jeexx520]

Why go so far back to the Bible when the Kokiri Forest is clearly based around Neverland from Peter Pan?

[@MattMorency]

@@jeexx520 Solid, but a bunch of things are missing. Like a guardian deity and the lost boys becoming adults that aren't murderous pirates. The aging up when you leave is definitely there though.

[@DootBear]

@@jeexx520 a good comparison too, especially since the inspiration for the forest children inspired Miyamoto in part by the story of Peter Pan. However, it would be silly to disregard that even the story of Peter Pan makes cultural allusions to stories much much older than itself.

[@funforall9741]

Actually the original translation and name of zelda in Japan was "holy warriors" and link had a cross on his shield, the name was changed by localisation teams for the u.s and obviously Nintendo didn't want any religious references so they changed a bunch of things that were originally based on the Christian Bible. Its a fun deep dive if you want to research more

[@Shadow-ol2db]

The Ordonians are just... humans. Humans exist as a specific race in Zelda, though there are more common "sub-species" of humans such as Hylians and Gerudo. In Link's Awakening, the Oracle games, and Tri Force Heroes, most, if not all, humans have round ears. It seems that Hylians are the dominant human race in Hyrule, and so that is why we usually see humans with pointed ears. 5:41 Also if the Kokiri become mortal once they are no longer influenced by the Deku Tree, why do they not age in the seven years Link is gone? When you return to Kokiri Forest as an adult, all of the Kokiri look exactly the same as they did when Link was a child.

[@grovecove]

Kokiri will age by leaving the forest, not by the tree death

[@e_knees8816]

They’re literally just immigrants.

[@YophiGames]

They never left the forest. Mido was guarding the Forest Temple entrance for years after Saria "disappeared." As long as they were in Kokiri Forest, they wouldn't age and die. I believe the idea came from Peter Pan with the green clothing and always being a child because of Never Never Land.

[@kingnamor777]

It's possible that the Deku Tree turned the Kokiri into humans and thus became Ordon people that we see in Twilight Princess🤔.

[@31-2-5]

@@kingnamor777 he's dead tho

[@ultraspinalki11]

Here's the thing: The curse of the Forest Temple which prevented the growth of the Deku Tree Sprout only manifested after Ganondorf took the Triforce of Power and his dark magic drastically increased. In fact the source of the Temple's curse, Phantom Ganon, was created after Ganondorf took over Hyrule Castle. Seeing as how Twilight Princess takes place in a timeline where Ganondorf did not become king, there logically shouldn't have been a curse in the Forest Temple, thus the Deku Tree Sprout should have grown.

[@ultraspinalki11]

Perhaps the disappearance of the Kokiri was a result of Hylians/humans expanding their lands by cutting down trees and building villages and such. Losing territory might have forced the Kokiri to recede further into the woods, never to be seen again.

[@fionn_mac_ribs]

@@ultraspinalki11 Maybe some stuff we didn’t see during the Hylian-Gerudo war happened. Maybe The Sprout died during the war. Then the Kokiri became mortal and grew up and died. I don’t know if they can grow up, their true forms are Koroks, they’re tree child spirits. I find it more likely that if they leave the safety of the forest or if the Deku Tree dies, they start to wilt away like flowers. Something like they lose the magic that protects them. I’m certain that the Ordonians are just regular old humans from outside of Hyrule. We do know that Ordon Village is a neighbor of Hyrule.

[@kingnamor777]

@@fionn_mac_ribs It's possible that the Deku Tree turned the Kokiri into humans and thus became the Ordon people that we see in Twilight Princess. If the Deku Tree can turn Kokiri into Koroks. Then surely they can turn them into humans too🤔.

[@admiralrhino4049]

@@kingnamor777 or they were turned into monkeys

[@undeadgentalmen]

Hold up, wasn't the reason The Great Deku sent Navi and Link on their quest because Ganon already cursed the great tree. And when Link was sent back in time it's to the point where he met young Zelda at the castle again after the curse. Becomes as well a paradox time travel of where why the reason of embarking if the tree was fine what would be the reason of sending Navi and Link in the first place.

[@fawrik7089]

Twilight Princess fascinates me in that regard. Whenever I play it I always get the feeling that there is a bible worth of text around its narrative and world building, that never got the opportunity to fully materialize in the game. This goes for multiple Zelda titles but it strikes me as extra prevalent in TP. Ordona is a good example. It's odd to me how detached the province is from Hyrule in its presentation. Ordona is separated from Faron with this weirdly bottomless chasm, that stretches out as far as the eye can see. It feels strangely deliberate that the transition between the two provinces is so dramatic and unnatural. In the vision showed by the light spirit of Lanayru, it strictly mentions that "the godesses ordered us *three* light spirits to intervene", again going out of its way to paint Ordona as something that isn't fully a part of Hyrule, even though the province has a light spirit of its own. I have for so long wondered, why? Why put in the extra effort of defining an entirely new province when structure wise Ordon village could have been a village within Faron? It just feels like one of those things where the people behind the game had a lot of ideas as to why, but there was never an opportunity to explore those questions in the game. Twilight Princess is filled with that kind of stuff.

[@Yng_Roshi]

I agree I think the people from Ordon are descendents from Kokirians, but I also think that hylians have moved in with them as well.

[@kingnamor777]

I agree. I think the Kokiri turn into Ordonians too. Due to the fact that there is concept art of Ordonians characters referencing the Kokiri characters. For example Mayor Bo resembles the great deku tree. His concept art shows his forehead bearing a symbol resembling the Deku Tree Sprout. Illa's concept art shows traces of Navi design, while her personality, looks, name and role seem to be heavily based on Saria. Most Ordonians wears clothes showing decorations that resemble the fairy trails seen in Ocarina of Time's Kokiri Forest. Then there's the goat herder Fado. Who has an traditional Kokiri name. Also the Monkeys themselves. Don't share any connections whatsoever to Kokiri. Their tattoos is not Kokiri related symbols and they don't exactly act like the Kokiri.

[@MCWalter126]

@@kingnamor777 I wonder if the gerudo have any relation to them as well? Don't get me wrong I see what you're saying but I feel prompted to ask! Also I am aware masked band it has a theory on the gerudo but I haven't watched it yet about to watch it next

[@kingnamor777]

@@MCWalter126 I don't know. But Gerudo desert is a pretty far distance from Kokiri Forest and Kokiri Village. Also there need to be a outside interference that change their appearance from having long ears to round ears and becoming humans.

[@kingnamor777]

@@MCWalter126 It's possible that the Deku Tree turned the Kokiri into humans and thus became Ordon people that we see in Twilight Princess🤔.

[@MCWalter126]

@@kingnamor777 I see what u r saying now but I wonder if the ordonians would be descendants of the humans you referring to and The gerudo as well? Since u mentioned it

[@DyrianLightbringer]

In the child timeline, Link presumably uses the knowledge he gained from his time travel to help Zelda stop Ganondorf without accessing the sacred realm and being stuck in stasis for seven years. Therefore, Ganondorf never curses the temples, so nothing is preventing the Deku Sprout from growing.

[@TickedOffPriest]

Then why does the Sprout not pop up as soon as the original dies?

[@connordanielson8833]

@@TickedOffPriest it takes seven years for a sprout to pop out? Can't prove that it doesn't.

[@jakuth99]

@@TickedOffPriestBecause the curse wasn’t lifted for 7 years

[@TickedOffPriest]

@@jakuth99 Well, if this in the timeline when the Great Deku Tree was cursed to die by Ganondorf... There should not have been a curse placed on the forest if Ganondorf never came to power.

[@Midnitethorn]

One of the things I truly love about twilight princess is that it almost feels on par with a frontsoft game.....not in game play or as deep as lore but like we're rediscovering an old world and trying to figure out what happened to it to make it this way

[@dannyK64]

2 Things. First, the Deku Tree Sprout could still have grown right? After all Ganondorf was "executed" So he didn't curse the Forest Temple and didn't prevent the sprout from ever growing. Second, if you've watched Zeltik's video about the TP Forest Temple you will know that it's not actually just one big tree or two for that matter, the Forest Temple actually takes place in a ginormous forest.

[@manupm9161]

Yeah, I thought the same

[@tgh1466]

The presence of rounded ears in TP's Hyrule made me think it was a sign of decay. Hyrule in TP was in ruin even before the arrival of the Twilight. Damaged bridges, abandoned amphitheaters, derelict roads and other buildings around Hyrule Field seemed like the Hylians were losing their connections to their gods and history. Hylians were given those ears to heard the words of the gods. As faith became less and less of a part of Hylian life, and the Royal Family became distant and hidden behind their walls, more and more Hylians are being born with rounded ears. Just a thought.

[@Magnymbus]

Kokiri got pointed ears too. And Hylians are mortal so you're conflating rounded ears with mortality. Ordon definitely isn't Hylian, but I'd be more convinced that they're hybrid Hylian-Gerudo than Kokiri by the ear logic. I do, however, agree with the "if you leave you become mortal" point. Definitely what the old coeden siarad meant.

[@GGG_gaming]

yeah and isnt there also refrence matarials that say kokiri can change their apparence if they wish? i remember someone saying that before in a video like this and since he brought up fado... in wind waker fado was still in a human form when thats the only timeline that mentions a "wind sage" which is the timeline they changed into the tree kokiri (and in both wind waker and BOTW kokiri leave the forest and dont age or die so they might be moral might not since we never in any game see a kokiri die (except fado's ghost in windwaker but he could of just been raised with the kokiri since he had a human form)) also its totally possible twilight princess link might not be able to see the korok/kokiri remember not all humans can see them, in BOTW when you meet hetsu he tells you that

[@kingnamor777]

@@GGG_gaming I think the Kokiri turn into Ordonians. Due to the fact that there is concept art of Ordonians characters referencing the the Kokiri characters. For example Mayor Bo resembles the great deku tree. His concept art shows his forehead bearing a symbol resembling the Deku Tree Sprout. Illa's concept art shows traces of Navi design, while her personality, looks, name and role seem to be heavily based on Saria. Most Ordonians wears clothes showing decorations that resemble the fairy trails seen in Ocarina of Time's Kokiri Forest. Then there's the goat herder Fado. Who has an traditional Kokiri name. Also the Monkeys themselves. Don't share any connections whatsoever to Kokiri. Their tattoos is not Kokiri related symbols and they don't exactly act like the Kokiri.

[@GGG_gaming]

@@kingnamor777 its honestly more likely TP just can't see the kokiri/korok (it could be either or race in this case) since we know most humans can't see koroks, kokiri/koroks dont appear in all games (OoT, WW, and triforce heros) just like the minish only appeared in 1 game for the same reason that the hero can't ALWAYS see them also all most all reference material refers kokiri as "resembling a hylian child" as stated ordonians do not also in TP we know the hero of time stopped ganon and continued to be a hero as told by the wolf, there is no reason to assume the hero didnt grow up and break the curse on the forest temple to save his home, like if he was a hero why wouldnt he still save the place he grew up?

[@spicysquire3521]

There are also other human races in other zelda games with rounded ears, not just the gerudo and ordonians

[@davisbowe8668]

The Gerudo's disappearance in TP can be pretty easily explained. After Ganondorf was arrested, the Gerudo who followed him were likely branded as traitors to the Royal Family and arrested and/or executed while the rest (likely the ones who didn't follow Ganondorf) were either exiled from Hyrule or were integrated into Hylian society. Telma, for instance, looks suspiciously like a Gerudo so it's possible that she's a descendent of one who managed to integrate into Hyrule. Sorry, I know this video is about the Kokiri but since you mentioned the Gerudo in the beginning I figured I'd give my two cents lol.

[@CedroEscarlate]

we also can't forget that many Gerudo were sent to the Twilight realm and now are twilis

[@malic_zarith]

I don't know about this one. The Kokiri are probably just hiding out of sight in Twilight Princess. The Hero of Time probably took care of them and the forest until he died and then they just became Koroks and slowly became more and more hidden. The Ordon villagers probably descend from a village set up in the forest by the hero of time and probably Malon.

[@narutosbelievin]

But in Wind Waker the Great Deku Tree says that they gained their form from being near the salt water.

[@shayminister4922]

@@narutosbelievin don’t forget that Wind Waker is in a separate timeline where adult Link kills Ganondorf and seals him away, only for him to come back. In this one, child Link spills the beans and the Hylian forces capture him before his planned betrayal. So the reason the deku tree gives in Wind Waker doesn’t apply to Twilight Princess

[@ScripulousFingore6133]

How do you explain the sudden appearance of the Ordonians? I was thinking the Gerudo, but I figure if their genes would mix that way it would've happened already by Ocarina

[@iandiehl1385]

Have you ever thought that maybe the Kokiri evolved into the monkeys? Cuz that’s what I like to go with/my headcanon.

[@ScripulousFingore6133]

@@iandiehl1385 fr? You're saying the Kokiri rejected humanity and returned to monke?! Everyone knows you need obamium to do that and there's no way the kokiri would've found some

[@knowledgeseeker4614]

Personally, I felt like the game was a confirmation regarding Link and Malon getting together.

[@juanma250297]

Imagine if Link had been a red head

[@oofiethetroll2059]

Haha 😂 yeah

[@andresbarquin]

@@juanma250297 the ancient hero on the tapestry in botw is supposedly a red head, so maybe one day...

[@Abudzin]

​@@andresbarquinturns out he was some kind of green wolf-like creature

[@JCardo2502]

@@Abudzinwolf you say, hmm… 👀

[@MartKart8]

What I find strange is Ganondorf's ears change shape, when Link first encounters him, and last encounters him, from pointy to smooth or other way around. In The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time.

[@andresbarquin]

I think it has something to do with the fact that he was in possession of the triforce of power for seven years. Hylians have pointed hears because it supposedly allows them to hear messages from the gods or something. So maybe being in contact with the triforce of power gave ganondorf the ability to hear the gods. This would also explain why he has them in the wind waker and twilight princess. What is interesting is that the ganondorf we see in botw2 has round ears, so if my theory is correct, that could mean this version of ganondorf has never been in possession of the triforce of power.

[@TheWither129]

Its cus he got the Triforce of Power. At first his ears are round like those of the Gerudo on the outskirts of Hyrule, then he gets the Triforce and becomes ruler of Hyrule, causing his ears to become pointy. Its a Hyrule thing.

[@Faded.Visuals]

@@andresbarquin I always assume that Ganondorf in BOTW2 was Twilight Princess's ganon since in the trailer you see ganon snapped his neck the other way, didn't Canon had his neck snapped in TP?

[@andresbarquin]

@@Faded.Visuals ganondorf snapping his neck in TP and the trailer for botw2 doesn't really confirm that they are the same person. It has been clear since the second trailer that the ganondorf we see in Botw 2 is not the same one from TP. In that trailer, we get to see a brief shot of ganondorfs abdomen, and it shows that ganondorf doesn't not possess the massive sword wound he received in TP. Instead, we see multiple smaller circular wounds which could not have been made by a sword since they are far too small. There is also the discrepancy in the shape of his ears, which I mentioned previously. Not to mention the fact that we know ganondorf does reincarnate after the events of TP, shortly before the events of four swords adventures. I guess there is a chance that this is the one from FSA, but I think this ganondorf is a completely new incarnation.

[@CaptainErn]

When it comes to geography in the series, I always think of it in terms of how legends are orally passed on. I always imagine that the player is experiencing a story being told so sometimes details are exaggerated or forgotten, but the narrative stays true to the lore handed down in hyrule.

[@Zabes10]

The theory is plausible though how would you explain why the kokiri having pointy ears like the hylians when grown turn to a round shape. I FEEL THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT DETAIL THAT WAS GLOSS OVER WETHER UNINTENTIONAL OR NOT

[@aquaarietta]

Maybe their children were the ones to lose the pointy ears?

[@monsieurlefrog8706]

genes

[@Zabes10]

If we go with the genes both hylians and kokiri have ponty ears and the only race with round ears are the gerudo and even with that they eventually get pointy in botw

[@monsieurlefrog8706]

@@Zabes10 maybe its a recessive gene and the people of ordon just have fewer dominant pointy ear genes

[@kingnamor777]

I think the Kokiri turn into Ordonians. Due to the fact that there is concept art of Ordonians characters referencing the the Kokiri characters. For example Mayor Bo resembles the great deku tree. His concept art shows his forehead bearing a symbol resembling the Deku Tree Sprout. Illa's concept art shows traces of Navi design, while her personality, looks. Name and role seem to be heavily based on Saria. Most Ordonians wears garbage showing decorations that resemble the fairy trails seen in Ocarina of Time's Kokiri Forest. Then there's the goat herder Fado. Who has an traditional Kokiri name. Also the Monkeys themselves. Don't share any connections whatsoever to Kokiri. Their tattoos is not Kokiri related symbols and they don't exactly act like the Kokiri.

[@harrybenson3400]

Good theory but the part about the new Deku Tree sprout never sprouting doesn’t work, as the sprout wouldn’t sprout because the Forest Temple was cursed, but in the child timeline Ganondorf was never able to curse the Forest Temple as he didn’t take over. So the Deku Tree would have sprouted

[@verdantmistral442]

That's a maybe. We don't know if Ganondorf cursed the temple before or after getting the Triforce. The Fire and Water Temples were obviously after because they had visible effects on the world showing what the curse did. The Spirit Temple was cursed beforehand as we know Twinrova were already using it as a base. Shadow Temple was the last to be cursed as we see it happen. The Forest Temple could have been cursed early on as the only real negative effects we see from the curse is the Sprout not being able to grow. Everything else seems to be due to the lack of a Deku Tree.

[@OriginalCreatorSama]

Let me counter this real quick. The first thing you do in Ocarina Of Time is fight in the Great Deku Tree to get the green forest gem before being sent to see Princess Zelda. When Zelda returned Link to the past, we see him appearing OUTSIDE Kokiri Forest, NOT inside. This means that you are sent back AFTER the point that the Great Deku Tree was cursed and killed. So there's still no Deku Tree. And we can assume that the sprout NOT showing up immediately, like it did in the future, is due to the Forest Temple being cursed. I mean Ganondorf is shown to be a very capable and militaristic King. He's also hella efficient if he was able to go curse all three sacred gems BEFORE going to swear fealty to the Hyrulian King. He had plans and i see no reason for an efficient military leader NOT to kill two birds with one stone and just get the forest temple with a slower curse than he gave the Deku Tree. Why go back to the forest in the middle of nowhere? "But he could have cursed the first temple when he went back to get the gem from the dead deku tree!" True. He could also have cursed both at the same time so he had less to do later, as a good militaristic leader would. Bandit isn't necessarily wrong here.

[@RTheu2109]

Gotta remember that the purpose of the Deku Tree is primarily to protect, he shows up in time of need for the forest creatures whenever the gods (or Aonuma) deems necessary, so if after Link deals with Ganondorf in the present time after coming back from the future, Hyrule becomes peaceful, so there's no need for a new protector, hence, no Deku Sprout in the child timeline, but it doesn't mean that he's not present in some way, like the forest temple in twilight could very well be an lifeless overgrown Deku Tree, or even back in the SNES with A Link to the Past, there are traces of a massive tree existing in the Lost Woods, we don't see it properly but there are massive wood trunks being used as tunnels and passageways in there. So even if the Deku Tree is not alive in those timelines he's kinda there in some shape or form and it doesn't need to be the Deku Sprout for that, some trees can exist for thousands of years, and to reinforce the theory, the forest creatures, being Koroks and Kokiris, only exist where the Deku Tree is still alive, otherwise they lose their magical aspect and become normal beings.

[@esosa7725]

@@OriginalCreatorSama Eh, this isn't really a good counter. You've provided evidence that bandits theory isn't IMPOSSIBLE but that's not necessarily evidence that it's likely or even probable. It's far more likely that the temple was cursed sometime after link traveled to the future (given the lack of monsters in kokiri village beforehand), and so it would be fine after link traveled back. Even if the deku tree was already dead, the sprout would have no issue growing.

[@MCWalter126]

@@esosa7725 I wonder if the grill have any relation to the ordinians

[@michaelvisser6701]

I've always been a fan of the idea that the Kokiri/korok only take a humanoid form in OoT because the Deku tree needs them to be so that Link can grow up mostly normally. I like to think that they are forest spirits which is why they can go from humanoid to small wooden beings. When the Great Deku Tree dies in the child timeline the kokiri/korok just vanished from the woods with the great deku tree. After the events of Majoras Mask, Link finds his way back to Hyrule, but is no longer known as a great hero, but he proves himself to be a strong knight. Eventually he moves back to his childhood home, no a mostly normal forest, and founds Ordon village with a bunch of other people. That's my head canon anyway.

[@tekkadagger]

TP Link is a descendant of the hero of time. To reinforce this veracity, we have the following: 1. Has Epona or more likely a descendant of Epona. 2. He lives in a tree house. Exactly like Link from OoT in the Kokiri forest. 3. The location of the Ordona village is very similar to where the kokiri forest was located. 4. The Forest temple is a gigantic tree. Just like the Deku Tree. 5. Has the Triforce of Courage. 6. Being a cowboy, he knows Epona's song. Conclusion. Most likely Link, the Hero of Time, returned to Hyrule and married Malon, they both went to live in the Kokiri Forest where they founded the Ordona village. Link and Malon had offspring. Link died in some battle far from his home. Malon raised her offspring in the Ordona village, teaching them the song that her mother used to sing to her when she was little. Link's offspring inherited the triforce, Epona and their life as a cowboys in the house of the Hero of Time. Link from TP is surely the great-grandson or great-great-grandson of Hero of Time.

[@MCWalter126]

Is it possible for him to be the great-great-great-grandson of the hero time?

[@Bearman851]

I mean TP Link was already confirmed to be the descendent of OoT Link. But ight.

[@MCWalter126]

@@Bearman851 but my question is if he's the great-great-great-grandson?!

[@Bearman851]

@@MCWalter126 If TP takes place 100 years after OoT it's more likely he's his grandson or great grandson.

[@MCWalter126]

@@Bearman851 oh okay I was just wondering if it was a possibility but I see what you're saying! How are you?

[@delphinebriand1554]

Also, while it's clear that one of the Hylians' physical traits are their pointy ears, it is worth noting that it's because they can hear the voices of the goddesses. Even if most Hylians aren't as much magical as they used to be, it's one of the lore reason they have elven ears. After all, they are the people of Hylia, chosen by the goddess herself, hence their name. And the reason the Gerudos have pointy ears in BOTW is because of two things that Nintendo gave us: 1, it seems that the Gerudos started to be closer to the gods and that's why they ears' shape changed. And 2, a much more practical/biological reason, it's because of the race mixing with the Hylians. And that's also probably why they lost their golden eyes as they turned green (a mix of yellow/golden and blue)

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

The second theory is obvious. If you tour gerudo long enough and read the text boxes, you'll hear gerudo talking about the boyfriends they pick up and one lady crying over her date rejected her cus she is to tall. Kinda makes me feel bad for them, the last Gerudo male was just an evil douche and zombie Ganondorf theory kinda they had to pray to other people's tastes and put with that just to keep their race going, no wonder they drink.

[@thefinestsake1660]

Link's pet turtle has a religious experience. Boom. Pointed ears.

[@johnlucas1543]

Here we go. Hyrule Geography is more consistent than people realize. The developers change it up to keep gameplay fresh but they ALSO keep a lot of consistency with the general placement of the locales. The scale is how they make it feel different. And I can explain why these changes exist from Ocarina of Time to Twilight Princess. First thing you have to do is to let go of Hard North, Hard South, Hard East, & Hard West. Look carefully at the World Map for Ocarina of Time & you see this Black Arrow pointing Northeast next to the specified North. I think that's the trick the developers used to throw you off the trail. The TRUE North is REALLY that single Black Arrow. Look instead for the relative positions each locale has to each other & turn map clockwise/counterclockwise until it lines up. Lake Hylia is ALWAYS not very far from the Desert & it's always Southern-ish on the map. Sometimes there's a swamp or marsh between the Desert & the Lake like in A Link to the Past & Breath of the Wild. But there's some kind of Forest to the Eastern-ish/Southeastern-ish side of the Lake. We don't get to see this Forest in A Link to the Past because it's off the map. In Breath of the Wild, this is the Faron region with the Faron Woods which look more like a Rainforest or Jungle. In Ocarina of Time, this is the Kokiri Forest the one we're most familiar with. In Twilight Princess, it is once again the Faron Woods. So that pattern is consistent. It also exists in Skyward Sword even though we don't see Lake Hylia in that game. Faron Woods is Eastern-ish/Southeastern-ish. Turn Twilight Princess' map a bit counter-clockwise & you can see it easier. Point Lake Hylia to South & Faron Woods to Southeast. But why is the Temple of Time & the Sacred Grove surrounding it in the Faron Woods if this is the old Kokiri Forest??? Easy. Because trees grow overtime. The Southeastern-ish Kokiri Forest overgrew the lands of Lon Lon Rance & Hyrule Castle Town. Whatever happened in the aftermath of Ganondorf's exposure from Link being sent back in time with Triforce of Courage caused a destruction of the Hyrule Castle & Castle Town of Ocarina of Time. MajorLink's "A Hero's Purpose" series shows a potential scenario. So a NEW Hyrule Castle & Castle Town was built NORTHWARD from former site. A Northward Migration. That's why Death Mountain seems more Eastern to Hyrule Castle than Northeastern in Twilight Princess. Remember, we never got to see above Hyrule Castle in Ocarina of Time. We were only dealing with the bottom of the map. Link & Malon got together which explains why Epona's Song is known to Twilight Princess Link & the Ordonians. And doesn't Ordon Ranch remind you somewhat of Lon Lon Ranch??? Either it's the same place repurposed or it is built as a tribute to Lon Lon Ranch. Hero of Time Link was a fish out of water when he was sent back in time & endured the crisis in Termina. The only place he felt home was Lon Lon Ranch. So Ordon Village being a combination of that Link's childhood & adulthood makes sense. The treehouse of Kokiri Forest mixed with the farmtown of Lon Lon Ranch. Your theory is correct. The mysterious Ordonians are most likely what became of the Kokiri in this timeline. Others moved around which may explain Barnes of new Kakariko Village & perhaps Agitha of Hyrule Castle Town. AND think about the Lumberjacks of A Link to the Past. They wore green hats & clothes too, right? Without the protection of the Great Deku Tree, these may indeed be Kokiri who aged outside of the forest. There are TWO major forests: A NORTHERN one & a SOUTHERN one. We saw both in Breath of the Wild. Oh & about Northern Zora's Domain. That is near Snowpeak AKA Hebra Snowpeak. That is a DIFFERENT Zora's Domain. Something must have happened in the original Zora's Domain mountainside to the East. Ganondorf may have caused some calamities there forcing the Zoras to relocate to an alternate spring. Remember, Zoras are sensitive to impurities in the waters. They need healthy waters to swim in. The question you DON'T ask is why is Twilight Princess Hyrule falling apart with chasms in the land? Your answer lies in a separated Triforce where Ganondorf holds the Triforce of Power in another realm. Every time Triforce is not whole within one realm or outright destroyed, the land begins to rip apart. This explains why Hyrule seems more cohesive by Four Swords Adventures later in the timeline. Triforce was reunited in one realm: The Light World. A Link to the Past's Hyrule was stable because Triforce was united in Dark World. The Dark World being the former Sacred Realm & Golden Land. It ALWAYS adds up if you look at the details carefully.

[@Ghostleadclutch]

I’m going to finish watching Major Links video cause I’m subbed to him too.I see it happening as he would go there and honestly would fit in perfectly. I like your input on the arrows I never knew that and will begin further investigation. The Ordanians may well be the Kokiri.

[@dillpickle06]

This is a really good explanation for Hyrule's various designs.

[@TheRealRidley12]

Yep, knew someone would post an analysis of Hyrule's geography, lol.

[@stefanoponce6090]

I can't find Major Link's videos on this... Anyone care to point in the right direction?

[@LupinticDream]

I've always been pretty mixed on the Northern Migration theory. Mainly because of the location of Old Kakariko and Death Mountain relative to the location of where Kokiri Forest (Faron) and supposedly old Hyrule Field are. I find it much easier to believe that only the scale of the world was increased and that the Temple of Time was somehow magically moved or rebuilt where the Forest Temple used to be. In fact, OoT's Sacred Forest Meadow shares the same name in Japanese as the Sacred Grove (Master Sword location) from TP and ALttP, leading credence to that idea. But still, I do think the idea of a large-scale migration to be an interesting one for the lore. Breath of the Wild's Hyrule, for example, definitely gives me vibes of something like that possibly happening in its 10,000+ years past. Btw, I really like your theory about the chasms.

[@Ninjaananas]

The real secret of Ordon village is the recipe for Ordon Goat Cheese.

[@emacsterm2949]

That’s the benefit of it being the LEGEND of Zelda. I imagine it like an old story told around the campfire. Mostly true but a lot is made up or blurred or mixed up. Makes it more fun.

[@AlexandraStubbs]

Ohh yesss! You’re so right, love that idea!

[@indigoiozzi]

3:42 this would imply that the Forest Temple was already cursed in the Child Timeline, as the reason the Deku Tree Sprout didn't sprout was because of the curse. If there was no curse (because Ganondorf was caught in the past), the new Deku Tree would've sprouted like normal. It is possible then that Ganondorf had cursed the temples before Link travels in time, but then we have to consider that all temples were, and that Link/zelda/sages just didn't give a f*** about the temples

[@Smaxx]

Bit late to the party, but I think one of the most important points most people forget whenever they're comparing the games in the series: The *Legend* of Zelda. We don't actually experience the story as it happens, we kind of experience a story being told. And as such there can be inconsistencies, there can be things being off (like how long a bridge is, how a direction turns out, etc.) and it still can fit in a consistent way.

[@swordwitchw.992]

Or, some of the Gerudos fled towoards the woods, where they got taken in by the grown up Kokiris, and some fell in love and had little kids, that got their round ears from their mothers. Who knows?

[@corruptedplayer]

what about their skin color? i don't think it would peel off by growing up

[@erubianwarlord8208]

@@corruptedplayer maybe the ears on the kokiri and the skin of the gerudo have the same explanation a quirk of their respective guardian spirits when the gerudo fled they lost contact with their spirit that gave them the sun/sand/heat resistant skin and near total mono gender breeding mechanic blending with the equally displaced kokiri that lost eternal youth and hylian style ears the next generation coming out ordonian

[@brycestoll]

Twilight princess is my favorite in the series to this day. i love the way it draws connections to OoT and MM

[@domidoodleYT]

In terms of the map being different in every game, I like the idea that the games we play are stories (“legends” (of Zelda)), and so some of the details like where Gerudo desert and death mountain are slightly blurred

[@spoons250]

I wrote a blog about this 15 years ago when I was in middle school (around the time TP came out) and I had so many great points I cant remember but one of them was that the original openings of the games started in a "once upon a time" sense, and if you put the whole text script together from the original few games it lined up and spelling this out perfectly. "Like woke up in the forest, link traveled thru hyrule field, link climbed death mountain, link swam Zora's river and exited lake hylia". Im pretty sure this is the definitive answer and there are other reasonings for this making sense/being the absolute intended canon for map changes.

[@undergirl04]

My main problem with this are that some of the Link's are related (think OoT Link and TP Link)

[@sciverzero8197]

Miyamoto confirmed that hyrule having inconsistent geography is simply because he thinks it would be boring if players immediately knew where everything was when starting a new game.

[@extravirginoliveoil44]

This is a very cool theory topic! Great work Bandit!

[@daniboy018]

This intro is easily a perfect example of why I love your content. Also. Great theory. Was a bit hard to accept at first, but after listening to all your points, it makes more sense than anything else I could have thought of. And is more interesting to think about. The biggest throughline is the fact that no sprout is born in the child timeline. Thus the kokiri's protection from the Deku Tree is never restored and wanes over time. (I may or may not have binged some of your videos and had thoughts for several of them...sorry for the flood of comments from older videos)

[@wumboqwark]

This makes me think about how miyamoto was heavily inspired by peter pan. When the lost boys stay on the island they remain children forever but if they leave the island and return to the real world they begin to age. I think the kokiri and the forest work in the same way

[@thefinestsake1660]

This might be the case. And they lost that magical connection, so their magic goddess-voice antanae ears turn into regular ole round dummy sound hearing ears.

[@thefinestsake1660]

The ears are VERY important

[@wumboqwark]

And the reason they're still kids after 7 years of the deku tree being dead is maybe it takes a while for his magic to dissipate from the forest 👀

[@ustwogamers449]

Great theory, but there is one problem. This entire theory started with the fact that the Ordonians (did I spell that right?) have round ears, making them another race. The problem is that the Kokiri don't have round ears. They have pointed ears.

[@demonman905]

I was gonna say. Really fun and interesting theory, but the starting premise is something that could have been changed.

[@kingnamor777]

I think the Kokiri turn into Ordonians. Due to the fact that there is concept art of Ordonians characters referencing the the Kokiri characters. For example Mayor Bo resembles the great deku tree. His concept art shows his forehead bearing a symbol resembling the Deku Tree Sprout. Illa's concept art shows traces of Navi design, while her personality, looks, name and role seem to be heavily based on Saria. Most Ordonians wears clothes showing decorations that resemble the fairy trails seen in Ocarina of Time's Kokiri Forest. Then there's the goat herder Fado. Who has an traditional Kokiri name. Also the Monkeys themselves. Don't share any connections whatsoever to Kokiri. Their tattoos is not Kokiri related symbols and they don't exactly act like the Kokiri.

[@xyungeloest1]

If the death of the great deku would cause the kokiri to age, would'nt that mean the kokiri would have aged in 7 year time gap of OoT?

[@UnsortedSeeds]

Pretty sure that the deku tree sprout was able to grow in the child timeline because the forest temple would never have been cursed by Ganondorf. We're pretty much told by Rauru that when Ganondorf made his wish and corrupted the Sacred Realm, that all the temples became cursed because of his influence. So the deku tree was able to grow. Where it is, I don't know. All we have of the Kokiri is the crest in the temple. Is it possible that some of the Kokiri decided to leave the forest after Link possibly returned and unscathed? Yeah. BotW seems to be set in the child timeline due to references made to it in some of the game dialogs and story segments, and the deku tree is definitely there. I just think that because Twilight Link has no connection to the tree and the Kokiri like the Hero of Time did, he's not able to perceive them, and they probably felt no desire to present themselves to outsiders.

[@Spamkromite]

I like the theory. It's cool to see authors adding something to the fate of recurrent races in their franchises and for me it would make sense that they would evolve into non-magic folk instead of just fading away like the memories of the author of all that lore. I wish this theory was true, for sake of giving some closure to a race that might not be coming back ever.

[@DerekKnop]

Even if the Ordonians are not the decedents of the Kokiri, they could be non Hylian humans that moved into an area previously occupied by the Kokiri. Everything about them fleeing into the husk of the GDT and later having to leave their new temple, or becoming monkeys, or just all dying out because no one explained the birds and the bees to them as eternal children can be true and then a seperate event could be non Hylian humans moving into the area and building a village.

[@Poppliopup]

I like the theory that the Kokiri split into two groups one that left the forest and became the Ordonians and another that retreated deeper into the forest / deku tree and regressed into more primal creatures (the monkeys)

[@kingnamor777]

Also the Monkeys themselves. Don't share any connections whatsoever to Kokiri. Their tattoos is not Kokiri related symbols and they don't exactly act like the Kokiri.

[@thefinestsake1660]

Imagine if we discovered a group of apes that evolved from humans. Like, at some point nature said, Monkey was a better idea, and hit them with the dumb-hammer. Hmmm.

[@thefinestsake1660]

They are basically forest spirits though. They might be able to choose any number of forms.

[@jypsridic]

I don't know why people take "if you leave you die" as meaning instantly. It's like if someone says 'if you stop breathing you'll die' and you're like 'yea well I stop breathing twice during each breath that's obviously a lie'. I have always interpreted it as being closer to starving or suffocating when outside the magic of the forest.

[@5h0ckblock]

When I first played TP I always thought that Ilia's hairstyle was similar to Saria. And now that I think about it their names share similarities as well. More so when you consider how R and L are treated in Japanese. Instead of Ilia it could have been Iria. Saria - Iria. Also really quickly Zora's domain is just where Zora live, it's not necessarily a landmark like a volcano would be.

[@justincruz3947]

Thank you so much for making this theory Bandit! It's something I try to get people to think about it. I doubt that's the great deku tree from OOT as there are many more trees of that size ( if not bigger) in the sacred grove (lost woods) that have overgrown old castle town and the temple of time, this is also an explanation for why the map has changed. The lost woods has grown in size and area within 100 years since the deku tree was no longer holding it back. If we follow Encyclopedia it states that the kokiri are originally hylian and revert back but not every thinks that Encyclopedia is canon so take that as you will. I fully believe that the hero of time didn't abandon his people and sought to help them, so little by little did they revert back to Hylain and possibly move from the kokiri forest when it eventually got overrun with monsters, possibly moving to the ranch and becoming ranch hands there, explaining how TP link is a rancher and how the Orodons have ranching abilities. Unfortunately, we will never know.

[@andresbarquin]

Here are some more counter points to the theory. 1. The kokiri have pointed ears. There is no reason to suggest that there ears would become round in the absence of the deku tree, especially considering that they lived without the deku tree for seven years and never developed round ears. 2. The kokiri lived without the deku tree for seven years and did not age at all, which implies that even without the deku tree, without the promise of immortality, they still remain children.

[@BanditGames]

Good points!

[@SingingSealRiana]

seven years do not impact evolution, unless your a child, you will not even age segnificantly in that time, so the seven years really are not an argument for their earshape have not changed there. The point of the very pointed ears does stand firm though!

[@windhunter7]

They probably just naturally age at a slower rate than Hylians, which could explain why we see Fado again in TP

[@anonymousfellow8879]

The Ordonians can be descended from more than one tribe-grown Kokiri + Gerudo

[@andresbarquin]

@@anonymousfellow8879 even after 10,000 years of mating with hylians, the gerudo in botw still look like gerudo, with a few hylian traits. Even by the time of OoT, gerudo have been mating with hylians for centuries and yet they still look exactly like gerudo. So, if the gerudo and kokiri mixed and created the ordonians, then they would look like gerudo, and there wouldn't be any male ordonians. That is the problem with a lot of the "could this person be half gerudo" theories. Every gerudo is technically half gerudo. And all "half gerudo" are indistinguishable from regular gerudo. So if they don't have most of the gerudo traits, then they are not "half gerudo." So no, the ordonians are not half kokiri half gerudo.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

I think this theory makes sense, but also that Ordon began as Lon Lon Ranch.

[@peterburchall1870]

I haven't watched the whole thing yet... Cool vid

[@mitrivuorinen794]

The Forest Temple in Twilight Princess is actually a whole forest of giant trees, which you can see in the first room of the temple, so i think it's not the great deku tree.

[@farmerphern]

I really like the points you made, however, I see a few flaws. First is the emphasis you put on Ordonian's ears, yet the Kokiri also have pointed ears. If Hylians still have them pointed, why would the children of the forest loose them after all? Also, the deku sprout confirms in OoT that it was the curse in the forest temple that prevented it from growing, and we know that curse was put in the temple by Ganondorf. Saria knows that the temple seems to be in despair when Link is an adult, but despite being right next to it when Link is a child, nothing is ever mentioned about it. So I don't think there's anything really preventing the Deku sprout from growing in the child timeline.

[@farmerphern]

I'm sorry, I don't wanna come of as rude or just a critic, I do enjoy your content quite a lot :3 I'm just not very convinced on this particular theory :3

[@HHGamingOfficial]

Kokiri going through reverse evolution back to monke after leaving the forest would really be doing them dirty. 🤣

[@awesomesith7094]

I have a disagreement with this theory, which is simply that the kokiri had pointy ears, like the Hylians, and not the Ordonians.

[@lookatmynose9788]

He brought that up as proof that Ordonians aren't Hylian, not proof that they're Kokiri.

[@kingnamor777]

I think the Kokiri turn into Ordonians. Due to the fact that there is concept art of Ordonians characters referencing the the Kokiri characters. For example Mayor Bo resembles the great deku tree. His concept art shows his forehead bearing a symbol resembling the Deku Tree Sprout. Illa's concept art shows traces of Navi design, while her personality, looks, name and role seem to be heavily based on Saria. Most Ordonians wears clothes showing decorations that resemble the fairy trails seen in Ocarina of Time's Kokiri Forest. Then there's the goat herder Fado. Who has an traditional Kokiri name. Also the Monkeys themselves. Don't share any connections whatsoever to Kokiri. Their tattoos is not Kokiri related symbols and they don't exactly act like the Kokiri.

[@adithya260]

Is this a Zelda Theory i see. Really glad they are back

[@matthewjones6786]

Wha- no I haven't noticed the Ordonians' ears! Have you _seen_ the rest of their faces?! (The weird character design is honestly one of my favorite parts of the game!)

[@pixywings]

This is a cool theory and totally makes sense. I love it!

[@Kaya4114]

I always took the "If you leave the forest you'll die" to mean that if they left the forest or got too far away from the Great Deku Tree, they would begin to age and therefore not stay as kids and live forever. The only hole in your idea here is that the Kokiri are still kids when Link returns as a full adult, and the sprout hadn't grew yet during the adult timeline. So clearly whatever is keeping them as kids is still there. Perhaps residual magic from the Forest temple? My theory has always been similar, in that, some Kokiri decided to leave the forest- whether to attend the big party at the end of the adult timeline, or because they no longer had their guardian tree anymore in the child one and thus, went looking for a place where they'd be protected. Because they didn't have the Great Deku Tree to protect them anymore. They leave the forest, and begin to grow up, and that is how the Ordonians came to be. It's a hybrid between Hylians and Kokiri. There is a lot of Peter Pan allegories in Ocarina of Time, and this was admitted by Miyamoto. So, if the kids leave Neverland, they grow up. If the Kokiri leave the forest..... They grow up, and thus, eventually die.

[@NickMCummins]

When comparing OoTTP Hyrule, I like the idea of taking individual places, like Lake Hylia and Death Mountain as to be the same locations in both games, with ROUGH relative locations the same (i.e. desert to the west, woods in the S/SE, Hyrule field in central) but disregarding the EXACT placements and connections between areas. Given that, and the strong resemblance between Ordon Village and Kokiri Village, it seems too much to merely be a coincidence.

[@rebeccajohnson7292]

Love this theory. My theory on the Kokiri/Koroks is that their true form is that of Koroks but that with the power of the Deku tree they can take on other forms. When Link and his mother arrived in the forest, the Deku tree decided that the small human boy should grow up with people who looked like him so he transformed a handful of Koroks into people and called them the Kokiri. Saria relished the new experience while Mido hated it and blamed link for him having to be human. the whole you will die if you leave the forest is just to keep link safe until he needs to leave. In twilight princess, the young Deku tree from OOT is somewhere we just don’t see but his power is still weak as he is only a couple hundred years old so he can manage nonverbal monkeys. By the time of wind waker and BOTW he is much more powerful but there is no need for the Koroks to hide who they are anymore so they appear as their true form, Koroks.

[@michelzwiers7742]

This theory reminds me of the story of Numenor and it's inhabitants. Seems like a pretty solid fit, good job mate

[@TheWither129]

Two things, Kokiri already arent Hylian yet have the ears, and also, like you said, the Deku Tree was dead for seven long years, and yet as the sprout explicitly stated, the Kokiri didn’t grow up. Also, the sprout couldn’t grow because of the curse on the temple, but that curse never happened in the child timeline so its entirely possible he just appears a little later. Its an interesting theory, but i dont think it matches up. I think the kokiri just become the koroks after OoT regardless which is why theyre in BotW, and Ordonians are simply just, not Hylian. Remember that the ears apply exclusively to the humanoids of Hyrule, in OoT the Gerudo aren’t part of Hyrule, and Ganondorf only has the ears after acquiring the Triforce and rules Hyrule. Then by BotW, they are Hyrulean. The Ordonians however, explicitly state they aren’t part of Hyrule. Whats his name asks “youve never been to Hyrule, have you?” even. Ordon is simply outside of Hyrule. Hence why they arent Hylian.

[@ericastein3926]

One way to explain the geography changing from game to game: each game is a retelling of events, not the events themselves. We play as Link, not ourselves. So we are telling Link’s story and with that comes misremembering and misinterpretation. Each player has a slightly different experience playing one game compared to other players because it’s a story. The maps change because a new game is a new generation telling a new story and the generation has a different way of seeing things and telling stories.

[@tricktheorists]

Just want to say great job with everything you do on the channel. The work you put in and changes you make inspires me to keep doing so with mine.

[@BirdieSenpai]

Excellent parallel between the Garden of Eden and the Kokiri, good sir! This amateur pastor is proud of ya! Also, sincerest congratulations on reaching 200K, my friend!

[@girgrumpyorange1873]

"Ganondorf's Demise." I see what you did there. I also really dig this theory. Well done on both fronts, sir!

[@hilarydoucette1789]

Love the video! 2 things tho. 1. Korkiris have pointed ears, these guys don’t. 2. You say that in the adult timeline that the forest temple gets corrupted but saved, so in the child timeline it doesn’t. But in the child timeline Ganon gets exposed on twitter and gets canceled. So he would never have had the chance to corrupt it. Keep up the good work

[@Yondu4Life]

Best theory video i think i have seen in the last few years when my grandpa got me hooked to zelda. Bravo sir! Ill take this theory as fact. Haha

[@MrIcingdeath22]

I had never considered that the villagers of Ordon could be the Kokiri, but you do make a compelling argument.

[@tamorcetold]

Or they could just be... You know... Normal humans with normal human ears. They may have immigrated from some other region of the world. I see Hylians as a race of humans with pointed-ears, which seems to be a dominant trait in a genetic sense. I personally believe that the Kokiri evolved into the Koroks in Twilight Princess. We are unable to see them, however, on account of Link essentially being an adult in the game. The Kokiri could have become Koroks in both timelines.

[@HeroOfLight13]

I just think they’re regular humans who just moved into the area. You’d think there’d be some mention of Kokiri culture in the village itself if they were really descendants, since only about 100 or so years have passed, but no, no one ever mentions anything about them. I think it’s just more plausible that the Kokiri just…disappeared without a trace. Not a pleasant theory, but it still feels far more likely to me.

[@gracemcgriff1985]

That makes so much sense now! Tbh I was so confused when u said u were gonna prove the ordon people are kokiri lol 😂

[@SilicatYT]

Good theory, but I have one main point of criticism (aside from the fact that no theory is perfect of course): From how I understood it, TP takes place 100 years after Ocarina of Time, which would leave basically no time for the Kokiri to evolve or to build the giant tree dungeon, leave and set up a known village. If you ignore the time factor, which isnt consistent anyway, I think this theory works though!

[@CloverBell13]

I’ve always liked to think the kokiri realized they could leave the forest and are now hidden in plain sight. Whether or not she’s a kokiri, I 100% believe that Agitha was at least meant to be a reference to them in Twilight Princess. There’s three women in castle town who share a unique feature that I believe to be a nod to their missing people in TP; Agitha, Telma, and Fanadi all share the trait of having three dots under their eyes (Green for the kokiri, red/orange for the gerudo, and purple for the sheikah respectively). Agitha is a child who lives alone (no parents) with a giant tree in her house and has a fascination with glowing insects (a bit like fairies perhaps). Telma has red hair and the symbol on her apron could be interpreted as a stylized gerudo symbol. Fanadi has a weeping eye symbol on her forehead and red eyes, a common trait among the sheikah. Also, Fanadi's original japanese name was "Imparess", a play on Impa's name. (I’ve written about this under a zelda theory video before but I want to post it again cuz it's applicable. Just saying in case someone thinks this looks familiar/I stole it)

[@natedogg1088]

Ummm... Twilight Princess explains the missing Gerudo itself... The war that killed and scattered the Gerudo was mentioned in game.

[@sheilatindell6047]

I really like your explanation videos. Keep them coming.

[@litefeather1123]

I was always amazed at how the Kokiri also just have different forms as Koroks, Ordonians (assuming this theory works), or are just plain missing. It's interesting how one appearance can't be attached to a species. Sorry to hear you got hacked :/ I know that feeling of losing important files. Love the magical fade in/fade out!

[@Ghostleadclutch]

My Boy Sorry haven’t commented on all the countless of videos I watch of yours but Thank you again for your honest and critical analysis of my favorite universe 🤙

[@BanditGames]

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[@symbolik4372]

If i recall correctly there was a war that occurred between the events of Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess so peoples and structures may move. I personally don't think that the Kokiri evolved into Ordonians, but instead think the Kokiri just moved deeper into Faron woods to avoid conflict and that's why we don't see them in the game. Ordonians are likely just refugees who settled there. The rounded ears definitley gives the impression they are not hylian, at least not pure hylian. Could be Gerudo influence since they tend to have children with other races since they don't often have male children of their own but it's never been explicitly stated if gerudo even have male children besides the male gerudo born every century. My money is on their heritage is likely from another land who traveled into hyrule.

[@KBXband]

I love your theories. Subbed!

[@hyruleher0ine959]

I’m soooo glad someone (you) FINALLY pointed out the ears!!!! That bothers me soooo much. I guess they aren’t Hylian, but still. Leaves a lot of questions as to how Link got to Ordon (since he’s clearly of Hylian lineage)

[@pasqualembisceglia1989]

My favorite Twilight Princess memory is that Ilia is a barefoot girl in Ordon Village.

[@RyanHaney55]

There are several times you can see round ears in Twilight Princess, almost like Hyrule is being colonized by humans. Look at Hena, Iza, and Coro. And there are maybe a couple Gerudo ladies, Fanadi and Telma.

[@delphinebriand1554]

i heard that fanadi could be a sheikah more than a gerudo but it's a nice thinking

[@voiceofthelegion578]

When you first said the Kokiri were the ordonians, I was thinking no way, but you had me thoroughly convinced. The monkey theory also doesn't have a lot going for it, aside from them living in the temple. You can talk to every animal in that game and they're all intelligent, and we've specifically seen intelligent monkeys before.

[@Cextra_the_artist]

Even if there are holes in the theory I still appreciate any twilight princess related content especially ordon content much love!!

[@Ruizon1]

If just like to point out one point. Gerudo desert does not share a river with Lake Hylia in OoT. Gerudo Valley does and then there's Gerudo Fortress before you finally reach the desert which is set further back than the other places but that's just me throwing that random fact in there. Great video once again. I really enjoyed it.

[@DeerBonesBaby]

My own personal theory for the constant shifting of geology is that we aren't playing the exact events of the zelda games, but a mythical retelling. Certain locations and details are added or moved around with each retelling of the mythos.

[@Zeldahol]

That was really good. Makes perfect sense Bandit. See ya Dude.

[@Little-Dude]

I do like this theory, though it doesn't seem to take into account the pointed ears, lol. I'm not sure why they would lose them once they moved out of the forest. That being said, I do enjoy theories like this. Because they're games we can't expect things to line up 1:1. Game Devs are going to want to design locations differently and create new maps so it's not only interesting for them but for the player. So when things don't line up exactly, us as "Lore/Theory" people just sort of accept "this is supposed to be the same location just altered over time", even if it doesn't completely make sense. Having a map that looks the same every game would get boring.

[@EmeraldComposer]

Idk why but that intro had me dying wtf 🤣💀

[@wolfiemuse]

Frickin DOPE outro remix. Keep that one!

[@tmalecki1521]

Idk if I agree with the overall theory, but i definitely agree with the part you said about Kokiri not just dropping dead if they leave the protection of the forest. I always assumed what the Deku tree meant was that if the children leave the forest, they can no longer stay a child forever. They lose their innocence and begin to grow old like any other human.

[@ZeranZeran]

Excellent video, and people, please take his advice at the end! It's so true. I had ~10 years of photos and memories deleted because Apple wanted to cancel icloud.. when I paid again, all of my photos were gone permanently. Apple Support has done nothing to help me get them back, and I would be so depressed... IF I DIDN'T MANUALLY BACKUP all of my photos monthly onto an external HDD! - I would suggest both cloud, and a physical external HDD for saving things. Thank you for the good advice, excellent videos, and thought provoking discussions, Bandit. I love this channel!

[@Piiiiiiiiit]

The light spirits safeguarded the pieces of the fused shadow when the interlopers were sealed just after skyward sword in the timeline, so the piece would’ve just been chilling in the tree for that entire time. Going off of the inference that the twili infection came from the pieces I think it’s more likely that the Kokiri pre-ocarina (Whatever they might’ve looked like) built the temple to contain the fused shadow after the interlopers were sealed, and just left it there. After all they couldn’t have lived there at all if there was a corrosive magical artifact sitting like 10 feet away. The core idea of the Deku trees death stripping the Kokiri of their immortality and making them mortal makes perfect sense I just don’t think I buy the bit about the forest temple, still too many questions.

[@Cinnamon7]

hello bandit! i love you channel and your videos. :)

[@alyxxpratt678]

the connections between OoT and TP are my favorite in the whole series. Time has definitely passed since the days of OoT, but you can still see bits and pieces of it during the age of TP. The period of time in between those two titles has always been so fascinating to me.

[@cvanims]

This is actually a really good theory!

[@anthonibrookshire3867]

Noice spot on parallel of the immortality factor of the Kokori to the "death factor" of Genesis.

[@davidspinks7541]

An excellent theory, but allow me to provide some counter points: 1: The Deku Sprout, while never shown, would have still grown in the child timeline. If Link, after opening the Door of Time, went to the Royal Family and proved that Ganondorf was evil, and had him exiled like we see in TP, he wouldn't have casted the curses to kill the sages. He needed the triforce of power to create the monsters which plagued Hyrule, but didn't get the triforce until his execution, wherein he killed the Sage of Water (correct me if I'm wrong ) with it's power. 2: Garden of Eden: Mostly on point other than the mortality being a punishment for eating from the Tree of Knowledge and Sin, not from leaving the Garden. Adam still (supposedly ) lived to be 996 (depending on what version of the Bible you read ). But your theory of the Kokiri leaving the Great Deku Trees protection and naturally aging is still solid.

[@koskk_]

Bro... I never noticed that they had rounded ears.... I ended up looking up a bunch of characters from the game. There's a couple outside of Ordon that also have rounded ears, but most have the typical pointy ones. It's a really weird detail I'd never noticed before and it's cool. I like how the theory can really explain that inconsistency.

[@narutosbelievin]

Great theory! I’m embarrassed to say I never even noticed that their ears weren’t pointed. But I have always been confused about what happened to the Kokiri. This makes a lot of sense.

[@NikkiTheViolist]

my headcanon for Death Mountain is that there's just multiple volcanoes all over and different ones are active at different times, and whichever one is active is called Death Mountain, which could imply that Mount Lanayru, Death Mountain, Hebra Peak/Hebra North Summit/etc from BotW are all potential Death Mountains from Hyrule's past. Volcanic activity would explain why Mount Lanyru has non-freezing water, and why Hebra has so many hot springs and underground tunnels.

[@mysryuza]

I’m glad you mentioned the Bible story because it made some parallels that I somehow didn’t think of for years. I’m sure there was some moral arguments when it comes to creating a sanctuary possibly dedicated to their culture and their protector by using the remains of said protector, but had no choice outside of leaving the woods. I like to think that their ears were part of the Kokori form to further detach from their mortal forms. if we’re to believe that Hylian ears were said to hear the goddesses, that legend could have been projected onto the Kokiri, maybe to imply that their ears could hear higher-ups associated with the goddesses, like the Deku Tree. The Ordonians may have descended from them instead and mingled with Hylians, but their genes came out on top. What if someone like Barnes was an Ordonian but his knack for explosives were just too dangerous, so he went to Kakariko village, which is nearby Death Mountain? We don’t see Renado or Luda’s ears, but what if Renado was also Ordonian but his ancestors didn’t agree with using the Deku Tree’s husk as a sanctuary, so they left the monster-infested forest entirely to build a sanctuary themselves instead?

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Awesome video!

[@taqresu5865]

If this is the case, it must have occurred gradually. When you turn into Adult Link in OoT, 7 years have passed, and the Kokiri spent those 7 years without the Great Deku Tree's Protection. And in those 7 years the Kokiri didn't age.