The Secrets of Eggmorphing / Ovomorphing Alien Explained

[@silversurfer8818]

Its a far more terrifying prospect to know that the entire body of a human can be transformed into an egg, the entire idea is more invasive than having a chestburster growing inside of you, instead having ones body entirely dissolved and rearranged into something so disgusting.

[@Elitesolider1023]

Everything about xenomorphs is incredibly disgusting just as the engineers envisioned and as David would later modify continuing their work.

[@ShadowClawWolf]

The xeno births and impregnated reminds me of rape

[@Elitesolider1023]

@@ShadowClawWolf it is lol.

[@ShadowClawWolf]

@@Elitesolider1023 As if the xenos weren't scary enough

[@Elitesolider1023]

@@ShadowClawWolf and fucked up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertchristofaro9014]

I consider it cannon as a backup way for the xenomorph's reproduction process

[@ruslankoller9891]

there is no point in the queen when there so few people around

[@cfG21]

​@@ruslankoller9891Not really think of it like a bee Colony you do have the queen but you do have certain bees that have like a royal jelly that can turn into a queen and if needed they can actually start a new Colony. So I would say that this is a method to create eggs as a backup until let's say a new Queen emerges.

[@cfG21]

Not really think of it like a bee Colony you do have the queen but you do have certain bees that have like a royal jelly that can turn into a queen and if needed they can actually start a new Colony. So I would say that this is a method to create eggs as a backup until let's say a new Queen emerges.

[@ruslankoller9891]

@@cfG21 no, i don't like to think about the alien like its some kind of insect, it makes alien less mysterious and less scary. Not a fan of Cameron ideas in general.

[@shirleytwsw]

I agree it’s a backup method of reproduction in the event a queen is not present I accept both methods that black goo is the most deadly pathogen ever created so deadly it got out of the engineer control

[@MetroCammellDMUs]

i prefer Eggmorphing. it was the original and it completely fits the Alien creature. everything about alien is bio-mechanical. things look like they morph into things. even the space jockey looks like it morphed into it's chair, as if it's ship itself was a living organism. anyway, with the alien queen, it makes it feel that they are more like bugs than this perfect mysterious creature. that being said, i do love Aliens as much as i love Alien and it was great sequel, so i like both eggmorphing and Alien queen

[@Elitesolider1023]

I think they both completely fit the species very well and they're insectaroid anyway especially parasitic the egg morphing stage is a failsafe to continue the species without a Queen and it is most likely assume that the species being deconstructed into an overmorph that contains a royal facehugger that impregnates a queen embryo within a host saving and continuing the species.

[@justzillathekingofgames6867]

I'd never really had a problem with the eggmorphing concept. The queen xenomorph does make a lot more sense, but like what you said the xenos do everything they can can to survive so i wouldn't put it pass them to do this if should the need arise.

[@EvilXero359]

Especially given the cancelled original script for Alien 3 in the first few pages a salvage crew find the Sulaco, find the stasis pods, find Bishop's lower torso strewn across the floor and when they open his pod they find his upper body along with an egg sitting at his base. With this alternate reproductive life cycle for the Alien Queen she can impregnate viable hosts by stinging her host and laying an egg with her tail

[@seriousnesstv7902]

The queen is just too stereotypical and feels less alien

[@knackerEv]

Alien can can.

[@cfG21]

​@@seriousnesstv7902think of it like a bee Colony you do have the queen but you do have certain bees that have like a royal jelly that can turn into a queen and if needed they can actually start a new Colony. So I would say that this is a method to create eggs as a backup until let's say a new Queen emerges.

[@DamonCzanik]

I've always considered both viable. It was brilliant for Cameron to introduce the queen. It's a better explanation but ovamorphing sounds so alien. So both for me.

[@tjjordan4207]

I see the Eggmorphing as a secondary ability of the Alien creatures in order to prevent their kind from going extinct and also to produce a new Alien Queen if one isn't alive or present. The Alien Queen produces the eggs on a faster and larger scale, as opposed to the Aliens eggmorphing the entire population as that would take too long. The irony is that these creatures need humans and other living things to continue their race.

[@cfG21]

​@@tjjordan4207 think of it like a bee Colony you do have the queen but you do have certain bees that have like a royal jelly that can turn into a queen and if needed they can actually start a new Colony. So I would say that this is a method to create eggs as a backup until let's say a new Queen emerges.

[@calynmjordan]

Alien queen is a dumb idea from an 80’s action movie. Egg morphing is a genius concept from a 70’s horror movie. Huge difference

[@Tengu125]

It's in my headcanon. Both methods of reproduction are fine and, as you said, work perfectly in tandem. They should've at least listened to Giger's ideas more, as well as his input on aesthetics. He was the artist behind the creature, he probably knew what he was talking about.

[@billymccall5969]

I personally like the egg morphing more than the Queen. Don’t get me wrong the Queen / hive scene is really cool in Aliens. But it also follows a familiar path - that if hives insects with queens such as bees, wasps, and ants. We are familiar with how these hives work, and how a Queen runs the hive and gives birth. But the whole point of the Alien series which makes it so terrifying is the unfamiliarity. Yes there are species of wasps that lay their eggs in hosts until they eat their way out, but it’s not as well known. To me, the egg morphing fits perfectly well into the life cycle, and it’s that much more horrifying. A queen just laying them is one thing. But being captured, implanted, having the egg grow out of you until it eventually completely engulfs you, digesting your biomass until it can be used for produce an egg with a face hugger to use for the next victim…. It’s just so much scarier. Again I love Aliens and the Queen concept, it made for a great movie. But the egg morphing just fits the weird, alien, strange, creepy vibe of a Xenomorph more. The Queen laying eggs fits more of like a generic movie monsters. That being said I accept the Queen as canon since Aliens is one of my favorite movies. So in my head canon, BOTH are canon and coincide with one another. And the egg morphing is mainly done when a lone Xenomorph is trying to start a NEW nest but doesn’t have a Queen yet.

[@arc7375]

I agree entirely. And think this also applies to Star Trek’s Borg. The original concept for both is far more compelling, as they’re far more alien and obscure, confronting humanity with something entirely unknown, making them far more alien to us. Having a Queen in both cases completely removes that “unknown” and replaces it with something very familiar we all can understand and process. The Xenomorph and Borg Queens are incredibly well designed and very compelling characters, but take away from the mystique and intrigue that made their races so mysterious and foreign (therefore dangerous) to us in the first place.

[@davidarredondo2017]

​@@arc7375 Valid. Nice to see a conversation enjoying both prospects and preferences without vitriol! :)

[@_JustSomeDude_]

As I see it, both the egg morphing and the Queen are realistic and viable. The Nostromo Xenomorph was a drone, it would be unable to produce an egg. Therefore most likely it uses people or other organisms for nutrients to make eggs as opposed to becoming eggs themselves. I would assume that egg morphing is only done during the early stages of a hive, a couple of drones would be made first so they can get more mass and defend the hive (as hinted at in Alien: Isolation). Once they have a good set up going they would then make a Queen. Once a Queen is made they would no longer need to use egg morphing.

[@bitteryetcivilized257]

Makes sense.

[@CapralHarrison]

1:37 i laughed at that, such a cute image xD

[@wonderwoman3070]

Good stuff stay Frosty! 👍🏻

[@scifiexplained]

Hoorah Hicks!!!

[@wonderwoman3070]

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[@biohazarduncovered]

I like the overmorphing lifcycle tbh it's weird and strange and shows you the Alien is extremely adaptable as well as sefl sufficient without a Queen, with Camerons take I also like that but it's way more blunt and not as intriguing or mysterious, but the great thing about Alien is we can have both lifcycles together and it not seem out of place.

[@the_sixxness]

The egg morphing scene was a good cut. It ruins the pacing of the Nostromo escape. Now if the scene took place when Ripley was heading to the engine room it would have made an impact because it would have given Ripley even more motivation to destroy the Nostromo. But it takes place as she is heading to the Narcissus after setting the ship to self destruct. Considering she only had ten minutes the scene is a bit out of place. As far as egg morphing goes I hope we see it again. It's terrifying, it's canon and it shows why you have to treat the Xenomorph XX121 like a plague. "Goddammit that's NOT all! Because if just ONE of those things get down here then that will be ALL! And all this! This bullshit you think is so important! You can kiss all that goodbye!" - Ellen Ripley

[@VredesStall]

It is a both a strange as well as an absolutely horrifying irony that the Xeno can use a human host (or any suitable host for that matter) as a form of raw biological source-material to either: slowly form into a new Ovamorph (as it did with Brett & Dallas) that would, presumably, contain another face-hugger... and / or... that would eventually use another human as a host for a chest-burster (as it is much more infamously known for doing to unfortunate souls like Kane). In summary... the Xenomorph either slathers a human host with its resin to slowly become a new Ovamorph via a process called "Egg-morphing"... or... it uses its resin to secure a human host to serve as an incubator for a near-by egg that contains a face-hugger. Thus... the Xenomorph creature makes the absolute most of any & all suitable biological organisms that are immediately available to it and it leaves nothing to chance or waste. Like Ash said... the Xenomorph is literally the "perfect organism".

[@Crazael]

I figure ovamorphing is what happens when a lone drone ends up somewhere without a queen. They start ovamorphing until there are enough drones around to support a queen, and then one of them molts into a queen.

[@JoeChillton]

If they can evolve into a Queen before hand i guess this process isnt too bad for a start, all those hives have to be built on something after all. Like the Borg i can understand why they did introduce a "face"

[@alanch90]

Both methods are complementary and mark different stages of develoment of a hive. Eggmorphing requires 2 humans to produce a single drone. When a hive develops enough to produce a queen, drone production becomes 100 percent more efficient.

[@katsuyaki7605]

This was literally the beginning of the "Alien" franchise, and the lore was still being established. I take the position that Brett and Dallas were both cocooned for the same reason a spider cocoons a fly, except that Brett was dead from his head wound, and Dallas was left alive -- to stay fresher longer. (Keep in mind that the xenomorph's mouth(s) seem to be built for biting, but not really for chewing. Brett appears to be liquifying within his coccon, suggesting that the xenomorph may suck up its food, possibly through the extensible tongue.) The xenomorph aboard the Nostromo -- if it had survived -- would eventually develop into a new xenomorph queen and would have begun laying eggs in the same way we see in "Aliens".

[@hermanata2451]

Such an underrated channel. You know your stuff for sure! Recently I've been wondering if Dallas was being slowly consumed or not; like if all you see of him is all thats left which needless to say has grossed me out (which I'm not saying is bad, its good for the story). So I'm glad you talked about this and really I love both tue queen and ovamorph ideas

[@luthermcgee3767]

I believe the duo processing of the introduction of " enzymes" & "growth hormones" was what took place. In the case of Dallas and Bret, Dallas was the most unfortunate. His was a lingering death imagine the enzyme aspect breaking down the human tissue, then alien growth hormones to produce the next generation. It must have been painful for Dallas to feel the alien DNA slithering through,reworking & breaking down his DNA. A no win scenario with death as his only release. Bret was more fortunate because his death was sudden. Only thing if the process had been successful, since the alien has human behavior, would bret in his" rebirth" remember anything that made him human?

[@davidarredondo2017]

Horrific

[@bri55118]

Probably not, Brett was dead, and any memory he had would most likely be wiped clear in favor of the new dna. Dallas, on the other hand, was still living as the process occurred. Is it possible he might have something of a remembered past, but that also probably wouldn't last.

[@luthermcgee3767]

@@bri55118 , makes sense.

[@kastnesg]

I like both concepts. Just like a beehive, if there is no Queen, the workers will feed royal jelly to a larva, which will turn into a Queen.

[@mcribprime6594]

Both concepts are brilliant and again reinforces their dominance as a species.

[@niels25chr1]

Exactly what I thought. One alien is able to turn a victim into an egg in an environment, where there is no queen present.

[@ruslankoller9891]

such a better concept than the queen. i always thought that alien being just another killer is not very interesting, and less scary that the facehugger. but eggmorphing brings back the bodyhorror aspect for the adult xenomorph

[@gonzaloNMF]

Everytime I watched the extended scene I felt that there was something wrong about the sculpt on the wall, as if it didn't match giger's style. Now thanks to this video I know why.

[@pjdebenedetti3214]

It’s more organic using humans as a form of “compost.”

[@Filthy_Larry]

There was a scene deleted from the movie Taken where Liam Neeson makes a hive from all his snot and booger’s as he cocoons a thug to a wall and tells him he is turning into an egg and has five minutes to tell him where his daughter is.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

I like both. The Xenomorphs are said to be the perfect organism. A lone non-queen Xeno could start a whole new colony hive any where it finds other life

[@GDeNofa]

Ovomorphing is still a great concept. Sort of like a last resort if there is no queen present. I like to think it’s why when Ripley found the alien huddled in the fixings of the nostromo, it was exhausted and at the end of its life cycle because producing eggs takes its toll.

[@Filthy_Larry]

More like it was probably in the process of making another hive. It slimes even when immobile.

[@chrismc410]

Bees use laying workers in the absence of a Queen. Ants too I think. The xenomorphs doing sonething like that isn't outside the realm of real life insect biology

[@jonathanpeterson1984]

Just watched this an hour ago! Love this movie.

[@allenniumfalcon]

Egg morphing is much better and more horrific. It makes the concept of just one Xeno far more terrifying as it can kill and use the bodies to carry on its life cycle. Making it much more dangerous if it spreads to populated areas. The queen idea is just too tame in my opinion. The hosts must be captured by the xenos whilst still alive for the queen, so no brutal kills from the xenos. I think the original egg morphing idea is far more horrific and "Alien" rather than treating the xeno like a bug drone.

[@HorusKillowatt-xd4cu]

The only problem with this scene in terms of continuity is that it happens when the alarm is going off and the self destruct is set. Had it happened while Parker and Lambert were grabbing the coolant it might have made sense.

[@RD-lt3ht]

Yeah, the two concepts work well together.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

I never knew this when i first watched the movie after being introduced to the aliens franchise by the Aliens vs Predator game from 2010, so when i got to that scene I didn't realize that Dallas and Brent were being transformed. I figured that Brent had just succumbed to his injuries he had gotten when he was being taken and the xenomorph might've eaten some of him so that's why he looked like that; I got confused when it showed Dallas because i was under the assumption that because their were no facehuggers on the Nostromo then he wouldn't have been turned into a host and should be fine, made me think Dallas was being a big baby begging for death just because he got pinned to a wall and drooled on and then Ripley torched him for no reason.

[@mechanical7038]

Thank you for explaining this. I have always wondered about the single xenomorph in alien, alien3 and comics and novels. I just always thought that the ovamorph senses the lack of a queen and promptly creates one. But this theory makes more sense. Setting up a hive of workers and warriors to make way for her highness.

[@smellykat6481]

THis is interesting, its almost like a 2 for one. They have a face hugger impregnate a host, then use the body to produce another egg.

[@8474Starscream]

Extremely important scene from ALIEN and make is that much scarier IMO critical to the lore.

[@thewispo]

A true reflection of egg-morphing, would be that it was an idea back then. It didn't lend itself to any scientific based source and was an unfinished, horrific procedure, from the mind of Giger. Scott didn't include it, because he felt it didn't do anything relative. There was no thoughts of a sequel. It was just making a good horror film the best it could be. Sometimes, some things are best left to the imagination.

[@lurkerrekrul]

If the alien can turn other beings into eggs, then there's absolutely no need for a queen. The whole idea of a queen is actually kind of silly. I mean, in order to really get the species going, you have to wait for a queen to randomly be born. And don't give me that "a queen will be born out of necessity" because if that were the case, then the alien in the original film would have been a queen. And then once you have a gigantic queen, it needs a large space to set up the hive, which isn't likely to remain secret for very long, and in a more populated area, would get them massacred in short order. In contrast, the alien can cocoon a human or two in any secluded spot where they'll remain undetected. It also doesn't make sense that a species would develop two completely different ways to accomplish exactly the same thing. Full disclosure: I've never liked the queen alien. I think the legs look impractically skinny and I don't like that it was shown to not only be semi-intelligent, but also able to mentally control the other aliens. Actually, I don't really like the depiction of the aliens themselves in Aliens. They're more like bugs than the large, powerful creature in the first film. Aliens is a good action movie, but I really don't think it makes a good sequel to Alien.

[@cherdnad2630]

The Queen creates eggs faster.

[@ThePitchblue]

yeah, with sequels they usually start to unnecessarily complicate things

[@steveshattuck8128]

I prefer the Queen method and it was established in the Aliens novels that a warrior alien can turn into a Queen when the need arises

[@nikkihicks5693]

This was exactly my thinking! Assuming warrior's are male and the queen female, it stands to reason that if there is only one male (warrior) it would be able to change sex to a female (queen) in order to start producing eggs. I've been going through all the comments to see if anybody else had the same one and you're the only one. Great minds think alike! 😁✌️

[@SadAndVengeful]

You do realise the term "warrior" wasn't a thing in Aliens? Those were all just aliens. The fandom later created such terms as "warrior", "drone" ect., because in Aliens script they only named the creatures "Alien Warrior #1, #2, #3" to have everything organized in the scenes with them 🙄

[@steveshattuck8128]

@@SadAndVengeful Actually no in the cast for Aliens Carl Toop is listed as Alien Warrior stay awesome

[@SadAndVengeful]

@@steveshattuck8128 Your reply does not make sense, lol

[@steveshattuck8128]

@@SadAndVengeful Sure it does and you don't like it because I'm not agreeing with you stay awesome

[@PRESIDENT_LEMON]

Eggmorphing makes sense in this situation as the alien only had five viable hosts and not alot of room to produce a queen. So in the prospect of so few hosts it opted to turn as many as it could get into eggs before dying and hoping the eggs get found by a larger population of hosts.

[@kristinschermann6581]

Both Alien & Aliens are my favorite movies! So impeccably well-done! (I still can't watch the scene in the first one when the creature bursts out of John Hurt's chest- SO GROSS!!) James Cameron is a stunning genius; in my opinion he is the 2nd best director in the entire history of film ..... second only to my beloved Mr. Spielberg (he can do NO wrong! 💕💕)

[@Mr.E_Bodhako]

it makes alien more terrifying as it mean that eventhough there was only one alien on the ship if it got back to earth it could still make more aliens, as well as the lone alien in alien 3. yeah a queen would be more efficient but as a last ditch effort to continue on eggmorphing presents a way to carry on the line, which in that instance is more efficient because of the lack of a queen.

[@Sci-Fi_Quizshow]

Hi, Beautiful content as always from this channel. Very inetresting indeed! Just wondered if any one has any clues or chanced upon any Lore : A) Explaining the disconnect between LV426 and LV223 in terms of the chronological differences? and B) How to get a copy of the movie Scripts of the original Alien? Is it open source? C) Any other references and materials about the Pyramids (from Dan O'Banon et al and Giger), and how we got a similar rendition in Prometheus & Covenant re the advanced civilization on planet 4? Which solar system did that belong to? I love details ... lol :D Any hints or pointers / links would be gratefully appreciated. Have a wonderful day!

[@carlthevisitor8422]

I've always imagined that it wasn't really ova-morphing or egg-morphing, but was in effect a way of deconstructing and using bodies to grow the foundation for a hive that a lone xeno could use to attach to and evolve itself into a queen, creating eggs later.

[@bitteryetcivilized257]

Both are great. Eggmorphing makes a lot more sense than a single xenomorph randomly evolving into a queen in the absence of one or, like in part 3, a Facehugger implanting 2 embryos despite being established that Facehuggers die after emplanting 1 embryo.

[@lsporter88]

I think you have it right. Great video.

[@tjjordan4207]

I have a theory that goes a bit deeper into another reasoning for the Eggmorphing. In the alien spaceship of the first film, we see thousands of eggs, which some people would argue used to be the crew. However, those eggs are too small to have come from such large beings such as the alien corpse that the human crew find. After all, a facehugger would need to be huge enough in order to fit over the mouth of one of those things. Which makes me believe that in the need of a larger facehugger, the xenomorph will take the corpse of such a creature and eggmorphs it so that the appropriate size facehugger is born to impregnant another to create an Alien Queen. I believe that an Alien Queen was born from that giant alien creature and laid those eggs long ago.

[@tommyarcher231]

I’ve thought as well that it was a queen that came out the space jockey and then laid the other eggs. However, would that tie in so that the queen from Aliens was the same queen who laid the eggs on the spaceship from the first movie? Or is the consensus that the queen from aliens was developed from a host from Hadleys Hope? Personally I feel it would make more sense if the queen came from the space jockey 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@tjjordan4207]

@@tommyarcher231 It could very well be the same Alien Queen from the Space Jockey. I haven't thought about that before. But if it is, then how did the humans imprison it? Maybe it was in hibernation? We did see that one alien in the first movie trying to make a nest in the shuttle Ripley was using to get away from the space ship before it exploded. So maybe these things go into hibernation and are easy to capture when in that state?

[@pizzagui2pizza437]

Always thought they could have easily went parasite wasp considering the tails. Would be terrifying

[@redfieldchris998]

Eggmorphing is true and another way to create new eggs for unstopped alien's life cycle when an absence of an alien queen, but it can be done only by Drone type Xenos. The wall that Drones construct is able to trap and then consistently consumes victims' bodies into Xeno eggs, by spreading the enzyme around a victim and gradually reshaping them. Once the eggs are ready and Drones will inject genetic material into them to breed new facehuggers, the whole progress can be done in no more than 50 mins.One thing to know is eggmorphing is not about turning humans into Aliens but utilizing human bodies as a nutrient to feed ideal growth conditions for new Xenos.

[@Theothesleeper]

That siren is scarier than anything because it's not supposed to be heard. It's last resort type stuff. If you hear that siren it's not necessarily a warning to get out, it's more a statement that you're now probably not gonna make it out as whatevers happening is doom level threat and that you will die. If you ever heard that in the ship, it means you are lucky to hear it because there's a minute chance that you can at least maybe still make it out, but probably not. Accompany that with being in the ships basement area that's dark and creepy on top of seeing your friends turning into an egg as the substance eats away their bones and flesh with little worms crawling all around them going into their mouths, ears, noses and butt while feeling every second of it.. well, thats what they call supreme nightmare fuel

[@MattSmith-ks2lc]

Initially, eggmorphing seemed inefficient because I thought an egg only creates one facehugger - so it would take two human corpses to make a xenomorph. But after further reading, I was wrong and it's actually very productive. A xenomorph essentially converts a human body into an egg. Each egg creates between one and four facehuggers. Finally, each facehugger kills a human to convert it into a xenomorph.

[@DarrenMoore-le6pg]

Didn’t Brett get a head bite from the Xenomorph after it pounced on him while looking for the cat?

[@Jasonjones-h2x]

I like this process better, the queen idea is just too far simple an idea when egg morphing makes more logical scence an far more terrifying... In my own alien fan fiction story outpost I used this concept for something similar to Outland, a very cool idea that had Sean Connery staring in it...

[@dustyfedora]

Yeah aliens being able to turn people into new eggs becomes especially terrifying when you consider how many eggs were in the derelict ship on LV-426.

[@paulhunter6742]

What a horrible way to go getting modified into these Alien Eggs. Imagine how Brent and Dallas must have suffered since still ALIVE during entire cycle.😭😰😱

[@hyugalubbok7770]

Eggmorphing... in burial practicies, its believe that the tomb act as an 'womb' for the the body and energh-form. Physical transformation like Draugr-Jotnar (similiar to wechuge) and In agypt the preserve body and her organs seaperatly, for make sure the body in "seed" like-state, for the return of her energy-form from their metamorphosis "from human to good/alien" from their travel to the gods kingdoom, who on the stars (literaly).

[@matteorapetti3222]

I also think that the specie reproduce itself with egg morphing from preys untill a queen eventually will born. I therefore imagine the egg produced by an alien, just like the one produced by a queen, only develops a face hugger as it's a simpler organism. So it will need another guest for an adult alien to be born. The scene was to be left as it's very profound and disturbing and, just like the amputation of alien's arm, has repercussions in the Aliens sequel in regard of Ripley's knowledge and utility for the marines' mission

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

Theres unknowns. I like the eggmorphing scene, and it shouldve been retained in the original release. As to Aliens. I think at the time Cameron was making the film he just setup a few placeholder concepts for the purpose of the storytelling. He said something like 'they went back and forth to the derelict and brought back more face huggered people, and then there was a queen', it was in no way fleshed out with details. Personally I think the drone from Newts dad getting loose and eggmorphing multiple colonists, and using hormones to 'tell the egg' to make a face hugger with a queen embryo, or alternatively to create a 'royal facehugger' would be both more believable, and more entertaining. Going back into the derelict after Russ was rescued is unbelievable...and there is no way a message didnt get sent to the company the moment an alien was found stuck to Russ' face. The transmitter wouldve had to have been damaged somehow around the same time (eg a storm blows a tower over that cuts the cables) and it cannot be repaired because the alien is already running around by then, and has killed/abducted the repair crew, etc. Other points i am critical of with Aliens is the lack of blood n guts around the main colony building, and the fact that there was only one large acid hole. Once the attacks got going, there wouldve been carnage. One final point is the decision by the aliens to situate the hive at the atmosphere processor. The first alien(s) born wouldnt have moved there, there would have been a preliminary den where the first hosting was done; the queen wouldve moved to the atmosphere processor when that den was attacked and damaged...and also because maybe she wanted somewhere with a nicer micro-climate. The idea of the queen fits well with the warlike nature of the species: to aggressively expand, there needs to be a way of mass producing eggs.

[@rhyswong8976]

I always thought that his how xenomorph works. It doesnt need a Queen to continue on. Plus the egg morphing and one host is way more terrifiing and add more points for being in a horror genre.

[@TheBenLambert]

I like to think that a single xenomorph could use a host to create a queen egg. The hosts body tissue would be completelty used and converted into an egg containing a queen face hugger.

[@oddz313]

I glad they did put back the deleted scene of eggmorphing in the first alien movie in special edition, it makes the first movie more interesting & more horrifying it definitely make it even more better then Theatre release, the special edition is a masterpiece. I had to agree with you it dose make sense to have Xenomorph to be a perfect organism to survive with or without the Queen to make eggs. I do wish Alien 3 movie have eggmorphing sense in it I actually do like Alien 3 movie it's a pretty good movie but perfect. But don't like The ox sense in special edition especially when they're cut out the chestburster Queen sense in ending of the movie it was so memorable. I wish they re fix Alien 3 special edition again. But do know they're won't go back to it oh well.

[@stevesantos205]

I agree, think both methods would make sense in their own processes but unfortunately was a missed opportunity! 🙂

[@christopherjimenez5537]

it pefeclty fits the idea of a human making an "egg" with the knees touching your forehead, that makes later the alien egg escape doors. its indeed a horific idea: to turn into a living egg, slowly feeding with your internal organs a facehugger for a 1000+ years nightmare.

[@JCTiggs1]

"It is sometimes assumed (incorrectly) that the process involves literally transforming the victim into a new Egg. However, the novelization of Alien, along with quotes from Ridley Scott, make it clear that Eggmorphing actually involves the victim serving simply as a source of nutrients for the growing Egg, rather than physically becoming the Egg themselves." - Xenopedia trivia

[@HFR_SpartanFred]

So David used ovomorphing on Shaw in some sort?

[@Joe-Exit]

The egg morphing is terrifying. It's as terrifying as spider wrapping it's prey in a web and injecting venom. I like the egg morphing for a lone alien. I wish the scene had stayed in the original cut especially after reading the paperback many years ago and visualizing it in my mind. I don't think the scene looks bad at all.

[@scifiexplained]

Yeah, I love the concept. People always ask about Queen, or Ovomorphing?? I say both!

[@Joe-Exit]

I like them both as well.

[@elwoogie1963]

Remove the queen from an insect hive, they create another to replace it. This concept probably applies to the alien species as well.

[@niogos]

How does the alien create that ? Spitting?

[@trisF1981]

The stuff on the wall looks like the stuff that framed Shaws head.

[@theredlindworm732]

I always imagined that Xenomorph drones born without living queens could produce a small number of eggs however they where unable to fully develop the eggs so they would capture a victim and let the egg slowly consume them alive.

[@fordcapri28ired]

Iv just learnt something new about Aliens its a good idea Eggmorphing

[@Nediablo]

I like both ❤❤

[@penoyer79]

"life finds a way" -Ian Malcolm

[@billplisssken5153]

in the aliens omnibus novels there are planets seemingly void of life, but have millions of xenos. how is this possible with no hosts for the eggs?

[@marcushale1931]

Wasn't the internal, spring-loaded mouth supposed to originally be a larva of some sort that the Alien was just implanting in its victims?

[@theresamaleady7721]

Why has the alien Queen have four arms and not two?

[@randomhuman19]

great video. but I dont accept the method over the queen.

[@michaelm9402]

It makes sense to have the eggmorphing if a queen isn’t around, yet.

[@tommyarcher231]

Personally, I feel it would work better if an individual alien was able to morph itself into a queen. Insects and animals in a single sex environment are able to morph themselves when necessary. Or perhaps, if a single alien was able to use a host to morph into an egg, that first egg should always be a queen so that every egg thereafter can be mass produced rather than egg morphing every time.

[@vanessajazp6341]

First, understand that the first Alien film (1979) wasn't made with the idea of an evolving, decades-long film franchise. It was one film with a basic, horrifying concept that could only exist in science fiction. The original writers didn't make this film anticipating it being morphed into a different concept. There were several years and different writers between Alien and Aliens. A lot that was left unexplained by Ridley Scott's editing was ripe for exploitation, and James Cameron did just that. Then Ridley Scott came back to the franchise with his prequels that all but dismantled the original intended concept. "Black goo" and the "engineers" were not a thing until the ridiculous prequels came along. The original concept by Dan O'Bannon was inspired by the life cycle of a tarantula hawk, which uses a paralyzed spider as living food for its larvae. THAT is what the original idea of cocooning was meant to be, but it got lost on the cutting room floor because Ridley Scott thought that scene slowed the climactic pace of the end of the movie. It was probably one of the worst editing decisions in all of sci fi.

[@vanessajazp6341]

@nicksterj Can't really argue with the need for pacing at the end. I just wish they could've put this scene in earlier. I think that would've made the horror and urgency that much more intense.

[@SadAndVengeful]

"Black goo" and what Ridley does now is just kicking a dead horse, because it was Cameron who destroyed the whole concept of the creature. Space bug? Really? Did you know that he purposely rejected Giger's concept and didn't even invite the man to the set? Because Cameron always wanted everything to be done his way or not at all. This hasn't changed. He wrote the creature from 0, only keeping it's looks, so it all was "his".

[@vanessajazp6341]

@@SadAndVengeful Agreed. Granted, most fans like the Cameron version best of all. Lots of action and guns and explosions, dontcha’ know… That said, I still think the Cameron film is better than anything that followed, although I admittedly actually enjoyed the first Predator vs Aliens flick. But I totally agree with Cameron ruining the original Alien concept with his ridiculous Queen/hive addition. For me, 1 or 2 aliens creeping around in the shadows and possibly taking you back to be paralyzed and slowly eaten alive is FAR more terrifying than a hundred aliens charging at you in a swarm while you cut them down with machine guns Rambo-style.

[@SadAndVengeful]

​@@vanessajazp6341 Exactly. And "Aliens" is also so popular, because it's less horror, so it attracts younger audience (kids) too. So in the end, it has larger audience than "Alien". Cameron himself hates horror movies and, if he have his paw on them, he turns them into all-action films. Same he did to "The Terminator" (his own movie, lol), but in that case it was a good decision, because this title works well for both action and horror. But Alien, on the other hand, is about three things: mystery, creation, horror. Cameron's movie killed the two of them - mystery and horror - and simplified the creation one. I could never forgive Cameron for what he did to Alien, so I'm so satisfied that so many people hate him now for his recent "testosteron is bad" talks and destroying Terminator franchise (his own again, lol) by killing John Connor and making the T-800 a family guy. If they wanted to create a sequel to Alien, they could do something like Alien: Isolation. There also were multiple aliens. Funny thing: I've heard "Aliens" novel is more horror. No one told the author that the movie will be all-action blockbuster, so he wrote it more faithful to the original.

[@deejayxcrypt]

6:18 Seriously… if there is an “either-or” choice to be made, any fan that chooses the *Alien Queen* are the fellas who see the whole franchise just some bullet hell shooter, and not the sci-fi horror it’s supposed to be.

[@Kuuga-fo1lw]

Not economical if the Aliens intention is to build up its forces quickly. Also the Alien basically created Zombies really ... except you have control until the chestbuster hatches

[@BluePatch-pc7sx]

Spooky!!!

[@theresamaleady7721]

How come a human turn into an egg?

[@jeffreyokun2355]

It is a stupid concept and it was a good idea to cut the scene from the film. Cutting the scene allowes mystery to reign supreme, which was a big part of what made Alien such a different film. The xenomorph is Alien, but the mystery truly is an alien in itself. The mystery element is used effectively to make us truly feel we are watching something utterly alien and incomprehensible to us.

[@dragdragon23]

all branches of continuing the species, show how it's the perfect survivalist. it's still a debate if the moon where the derelict ship was located were the alien home world from another planet? if this is its home turf, then this explains why all other life was wiped out there.

[@dewrygwyllgi2636]

I see no reason why the eggmorphing can't be canon cause both eggmorphing and a Queen Alien are terrifying to make the xenomorphs a very scary. To me the eggmorphing are a slow but stealthy back up to continue the species while the Queen is great for spreading the species. I do think fans should make up their own minds about the canon status of eggmorphing, head canon is after all a good alternative if the official one is changed all the time.

[@scifiexplained]

It is canon. Just talked with a franchise consultant for alien about it. There is canon for alien, its just not easy to find. I plan to make a video on it eventually.

[@dewrygwyllgi2636]

@@scifiexplained That is why I wish a film was made that contained both eggmorphing and the Queen. The trouble with official canon though is that retcons can occur and those can be mixed bags for fans of anything really. Personally I wish they create a multiverse within the Alien franchise so it can solve the continuity, canon etc problems. Look forward to your video about it though. 🙂

[@scifiexplained]

check out the rpg canon that is writen by the guy I spoke with, Andrew E.C. Gaska. it incorporates almost everything into a vast universe, really cool!

[@KutWrite]

Seems like a lot of people working really hard to overcome a plot hole. I didn't like the queen concept, as the queen was too skinny to have the job of ovipositing. Check out a queen termite or ant. THAT is a horrifying, yet well-designed egg factory. I think O'Bannon created the scene in the original film to leave some of the horror to our imaginations. That, to me, is more effective. As it is, the Alien concept has been rehashed and reinvented enough for my taste. Prometheus is headed in that direction, too.

[@_robustus_]

I’m with Giger…

[@MrPrice2U]

THE freakin prequels did NOT happen.

[@jakem3043]

“Life…uh…finds a way”

[@rustyxof]

Ovamorph is the cannon name ala Aliens RPG Source book.

[@scifiexplained]

yep, the writer of the rpg and I joked about it in our interview here on the channel.

[@kevinmerila]

Let’s see.🤔 Xenomorphs kidnapped humans to turn them into eggs. After humans turned into eggs, they come out of the eggs as facehuggers to find the host to attach their face.

[@johnnylollard7892]

The "queen" idea was always a little dumb. And the black goo and parasites from the prequels are nothing but dumb, ruining any instinctual horror. The horror of the alien is that it reproduces through predation, and that its nature is mysterious and strange. Hence, it looks "phallic" and has no discernible eyes, forward eyes being such a basic trait of predators. Even in nature, eyes indicate something of intention and attention. But the alien lacks them. It also seems to grow and survive without eating. Humans hunt to eat. The alien does so to propigate itself, which is horrific in a metaphysical way. Something only found among insects and very primal life forms. Everything about the sequel, Aliens, makes the creature too much like a bug or an insect. Despite the name, "xenomorph," strange form, being introduced, it's not so much a strange form anymore, it's taking too much from the insect world. For what it is, the alien is horrific in its elegance.

[@sgregg5257]

The "Alien" life cycle is really not that efficient from a human perspective. The entire reproduction cycle is dependent on the actions of other beings. If two humans want to make a human, they can do this without the aid of other life forms. And the number of aliens warriors is stuck at a 1:1 ratio with hosts. One hundred eggs, ten hosts, ten alien warriors. The other 90 eggs are a waste of energy unless you can wait a very very long time. This is obviously the case. Another thing to consider with Alien is what if there were two aliens on the Nostromo??? There was obviously one alien warrior already lose on the derelict since the space jockey had suffered Kane's fate. Just and interesting what-if. Getting back to the alien biology, it would be easy to destroy these if they did show up on earth. While it would have lots of hosts, just one alien warrior would be easily dispatched. On LV-426 there could not have been more than around 300 alien warriors to deal with. I think, with all the alien-slaughter done by the Colonial Marines and Ripley, there were almost no aliens warriors left when the place went nuke.

[@aquagem4066]

1:30 mimi from piggy!

[@penoyer79]

just another tool in the tool kit of a "perfect organism" that's relentless in its pursuit of the survival of its species both in its inherent abilities and in its way of life.

[@dragonrider1736]

And here I though nothing worst as predalien

[@SVACDC09]

You saw me? 😱

[@eroldcroft3045]

Not a fan of aliens at all. They ruined it with the alien queen. Egg morphing was way more grotesque and in line with the facehugger, chestburster and adult alien. To nitpick even further, the idea of multiple xenomorphs is overkill. Nothing at all about aliens was remotely scary. It was an action flick. Alien was a pure horror movie.

[@RunningRunner46]

The egg is like the testicle of a human and those crawling scorpion like is the sperm cell and the human is the egg cell

[@jonathanjonesii1897]

Honestly, this is just grim. I hate how the aliens use your body and force you to participate in their goals and aspirations. Haha Everything about them is invasive. THEY WANT YOUR BODY!!!

[@TheTbet]

Aliens is not biomechanical in the half machine sense.