The Senseless Compilation of the Qur’an -The Search for Muhammad - Episode 3

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay continue their discussion asserting that the 5 different canons of the Qur’an are littered with problems. Not only do the various versions have geographical and timeline discrepancies, but their creators seemingly construct new collections that suit popular opinion.
Certain texts are removed, others are added. The various versions of the Qur’an were written hundreds of years after Muhammad’s life though it is accepted in Muslim tradition that these authors knew Muhammad. Only certain scripts were eventually selected as official Qira’ats hundreds of years after they were written. The variety of selections and the arbitrary nature of their compilation confirms the unreliability of the Qur’an’s content over the centuries.
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[@humnaset]

Once a muslim challenged me in a facebook page about the "troublesome" Mark 16:8. Indonesian bible uses the long ending for verse 8, but still include verse 9-20. So verse 8 is different from the KJV. He claimed that's the proof for the corruption of the bible, at least the Indonesian bible, and felt victorious for pointing out the difference between KJV and Indonesian bible Then I explained to him about manuscripts and textual criticism and the source for Mark 16:8 in Indonesian bible. Then I jumped to textual criticism of the quran and asked him about the differences between hafs and warsh. He didn't know anything about it and fled from the debate

[@edwinflakes1132]

Fair scales !!

[@kiwivalenz431]

Also I beleive a church "father " quotes marks longer version which is dated before the earliest manuscripts we have of it

[@harrisonford4344]

God Bless You !

[@humnaset]

@@DANIELJAMES-lz4uc "jesus was supposed to be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights right (matthew 12:39-40), then how was he in the tomb for less than 3 days because he was buried after the friday sunset and rose on sunday. hope you dont ignore my point" The Jews start a day after sunset, a day starts with the night. Jesus must be buried before the friday sunset because after sunset is already sabbath and people will not do the work of burying.

[@humnaset]

@@DANIELJAMES-lz4uc "and the greatest commandment Jesus said was "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind," clearly saying telling his followers to worship God yet today christians continue to worship Jesus whom you have laid claim upon that he is God, yet he is clearly telling you he to worship God. and i hope you can google and read this verse from the quran 5:116-118" I heard may muslim scholars explain why allah use 'we' to refer to himself: it's like when the president use the word we to represent a country. There is only one country, so allah's 'we' means only one god Same explanation can be used here. The president says: all citizen must support the government. The president is in the government but the president didn't say: all citizens must support me It's not the best explanation but easy to understand In relation about how people count days, one question for you: why you do shalat 5 times? The quran only tells you to do three times

[@askingwhyisfree7436]

When you can't kill your critics anymore, they lost their power. Critics are the balancing tool in every line of life. Even the bible should be criticized and questioned in order for truth to be revealed. If you're in a religion where religious leaders discourage asking questions, you might be in a cult.

[@el_killorcure]

Dude, the Bible is criticized 24/7. Where do you think textual criticism originated?

[@askingwhyisfree7436]

@@el_killorcure dude im with you on that. im just saying. it should be done to all books. it's sad that some countries still persecute people who critique their holy book.

[@el_killorcure]

@@askingwhyisfree7436 That's EVERY country where they are the majority.

[@steveveron251]

The problem is Islam and Qur'an please. Christians don't fear discussions about the Bible but Muslims fume when you expose their fake religion.

[@LordEsel88]

Fascinating as always. The timeline is very helpful in order to understand.

[@khalilbonjol8711]

@@muezamueza2797 I cannot help feel that both actors are desperate in trying to prove that there are many versions of the Quran. They, however, fail to prove that those perceived differences have any significant and critical effect on the validity and truth of the Quranic message. The conversation alledges so many problems that we cannot know what they are trying to discover. In propaganda terms this approach is meant to confuse readers . Trying to discuss such details at such speed is another method used to confuse.

[@Masowe.]

​@@khalilbonjol8711if that's your perspective then you should never say that the bible is not accurate The problem is that Muslims claim that the Quran is the eternal word of Allah with no mistake and only 1 version exist. It don't matter how small the mistake is because if Allah is all knowing and these Qurans are his words there should be same. Infact, some differences are actually significant. You can search on KZbin the Quran mistakes and see there are significant differences

[@RoarT19]

Al Fadi and Jay Brother 🌹🌹 Great Respect and love to both

[@asmamushtaq9528]

A MAN MISLEADING IS NOT TO BE RESPECTED!!! HE IS MAKING DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS TP BE QURANS!! AND THIS ARAB KNOW S HE IS TWISTING TRUTH!!

[@RoarT19]

@@asmamushtaq9528 Kiddo. Can I ask you a question? Is Quran perfect?? Without any official omission of verses ???

[@abbasbeig3943]

@@RoarT19 Christians Preachers against Muslims; Also watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/omGyXqR5epZnbMU

[@abbasbeig3943]

@@RoarT19 Do you believe in your Bible?

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

@@RoarT19 Al-Qur'an is the absolute truth -100% perfect!!!

[@RaymondCore]

Great presentation. All your videos are easy to understand and very enlightening. Thank you.

[@Dekanalini]

It’s amazingly beautifully researched🙏👍☺️

[@abbasbeig3943]

John 5:30 ( Jesus said) " I do nothing by my own will but by the will of God Almighty" Jesus announced he submitted his own will to the will of God Almighty. This is simple and basic definition of Islam. Person who submits own will to the will of God is called Muslim. Love Jesus ? Than follow Jesus !

[@John-qo6fs]

Dr. J Smith you are a living legend.

[@esthernarayana2787]

Amen

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

John 316, what you meant by legend? Ask your legend, Jay Smith, to drink paraquat poisoning[gramoxone], dare he or dare he not?

[@ethercruiser1537]

Wow, fantastic videos so far. Not only Muslims should see this series, but Christians as well. But it’s information overload for me & all I could do is recommend someone watch this series! God bless!!

[@kjtwesley8977]

Thank you Al Fadi & Dr. Jay for for all the info.

[@joek8948]

Hundred years from now, AlFadi & Jay will be remembered as legends who helped brought down 1slame.

[@magdalenamalarveelivaloo1694]

What a great encompassing platform my brother Al Fadi is providing for truth and knowledge seekers ! This is my school 👍👌👍👍👍✝️

[@esthernarayana2787]

Bro Al Fadi ...you are great

[@abdulhakimhasan7673]

Garbage work full of lies

[@smallogy]

What a school you have. Even Jesus can’t save now. The principal of your school is antichrist and the administrator is a fool

[@magdalenamalarveelivaloo1694]

Antichrist? Dajjal?

[@abdulhakimhasan7673]

You are a big liar. Jesus christ (p.b.u.h) is dead, but his teachings lives. It is ONLY God the Almighty who can save me and you with all the humility. Your al - fadi and the likes are a WASTE. Don't waste our time and lives.

[@flavour833]

When I hear Jay saying oh tutututututut. I know something serious 🤣🤣🤣🤐

[@johnalexander4940]

Love you brothers ❤. The Historical info is truly informative.

[@josephwazzan745]

such an extensive and unique work. the biggest challenge is how to make muslims aware of such great work

[@theastronomer5800]

Sadly 99/100 will ignore everything that is said by non-Muslims (they even ignore what some Muslim scholars say, as soon as it starts sounding "too scholarly" and based on facts, which contradict the traditional narrative).

[@aberhan]

The way Jay Smith breaks down the timeline combined with the geographical locations is always informative and interesting.

[@abdulhakimhasan7673]

A jobless rotten crumbling project .

[@abbasbeig3943]

Yes he is King for stupids. 1) Christian Preachers vs Muslims; kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2GyXqR5epZnbMU (watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards) 2) Jay smith met Hijab; kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2bXcqSopLeZqtk

[@philipjames2570]

Episode 3 is excellent. I need to watch again.

[@adonai7187]

A wonderful exposition!! Thanks Jay

[@pvdguitars2951]

A revelation? For sure. But my heart bleeds for all the decent and good Muslims for whom this must be devastating when they will find out! Many of my friends and family are Muslim. Their beliefs are critically important for them, it defines who they are. I pray for them, that they may find solace. We must reach out to them and help them to salvation.

[@thomasmccarthy9758]

Great stuff! Well reasoned and presented. T

[@shantiemaharaj2783]

Wonderful program very enlightening

[@bobjamesjohn]

good.... raising questions is a good way of presenting as it makes it easier to understand

[@eswn1816]

The traditional rendition, un-criticized for generations, continues to crack and tumble...

[@rachael8796]

From a practical aspect back in the day, a great deal of scriptures were recited. Plus given the fact very few people could read or write a lot was based on memory. All religion was spread by word of mouth and designed for that era. God has been around forever, everywhere.

[@fantasia55]

@@rachael8796As a practical matter, which version of the Koran is in heaven?

[@rachael8796]

@@fantasia55 no idea. Where is heaven?

[@fantasia55]

@@rachael8796 Muslims believe there is a Koran in heaven. The question is, which version?

[@NaCl_Salt]

As Yasir Qadhi notoriously admitted "The standard narrative has holes in it".

[@shebanadam7569]

Thank you. This is FIRE!

[@jessiep63]

very educational! and the devil is so angry he is roaring like a lion bec. one of the religions he invented & the most vicious is being stripped of it's true color. the devil is working extra time for his end is almost around the corner.he'd want as many as he can to carry along to his demise. We christians should work overtime to share the gospel to the muslim world.

[@esthernarayana2787]

I truly agree

[@drgalibhussain]

Get hold of a copy English translation of the Holy Quran read it and reread it to understand the coherency of the book.

[@suetrublu]

But do we help bring the Gospel to others by mocking the traditions of others or calling them Devil inspired? I'm a strong believer in the Gospel. So how would Jesus wish us to bring others to him? Notice He never did it by mocking or outright condemnation: this was reserved only for the priests and teachers of the law in His own faith. This is vital work and I hope we can all undertake it all humbly and with reverence for all people.

[@theophiluskwofie3101]

@@suetrublu That's true. We need to humble ourselves before God and plead with Him to fill us with the Holy Spirit in order for us to reach the dying world with the gospel of Jesus

[@NP1066]

Hey jessie do you have a problem with the religion or with its believers' race?

[@rara-xq5nn]

Guys you deserve a noble prize for this. I mean it yes noble prize.

[@trevorgriffiths5611]

Please put this in a Book 📚.. It’s so interesting 🧐..

[@jarrygarry5316]

Read Robert Spencer's "Did Muhammad Exist".His book is complete with evidence

[@trevorgriffiths5611]

@@jarrygarry5316 yes it’s a good book Jarry but it didn’t go deep enough into the Rasm vowels and diacritics that This Guy is doing.. And of course the alleged original Quran.. Which you can see was made up in the 8th century CE.. Also out of 6 different Hadith writers only one came from the Hejaz the rest were Persian ..

[@jarrygarry5316]

@@trevorgriffiths5611 Yeah but in that book it has a research about how other sources from another civilization and archeology whether the name of Islam,Muslim or Muhammad exists or not during the 7th century like the theory of Muhammad which is the "praised one" is actually Jesus at the Dome of Rock not the tradition Prophet Muhammad.Read his book about the name of Muhammad didn't exist until Abdul Malik Ibn Marwan's reign in 692 ad.There is also Syriac language in the Quran.If you want to study in depth about diabolical mark in the Quran maybe you should read Ibn Warraq books.The argument that I still not convince is the Hadith.The Hadith is actually prove Prophet Muhammad exist.Why Imam Bukhari,Imam Muslim or any other Hadith compilers try so hard to collect the Hadith or Sunnah by using the Isnads(chain of narration) to determine whether the words are reliable or not?Are all the people of the Isnads actually made up by Hadith compilers and they also don't exist??

[@asmamushtaq9528]

@@jarrygarry5316 THERE IS ONE QURAN!! HE TALKS ABOUT TRANSLATIONS !!!

[@abbasbeig3943]

@@jarrygarry5316 Christians Preachers against Muslims; Also watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/omGyXqR5epZnbMU

[@SohoKnights]

Fascinating stuff!

[@trufoshure1341]

May God have mercy on the many millions precious souls who are following a fabrication and bring them to the true knowledge of the one true God through Jesus Christ His Son.

[@musamusashi]

He already had mercy on us, by guiding us to the truth, thanks... worry about yourselves and your pagan cult, rather 😁

[@musamusashi]

@barry 🤣

[@abbasbeig3943]

Jesus is son of God, or God?

[@abbasbeig3943]

@barry John 5:30(Jesus said) " I do nothing by my own will but by the will of God Almighty " Jesus announced that he submitted his own will to the will of God Almighty. This is simple basic definition of Islam. Person who submits own will to the will of God Almighty is called Muslim If you love Jesus then follow Jesus.

[@abbasbeig3943]

@barry John 5:30(Jesus said) " I do nothing by my own will but by the will of God Almighty. Jesus announced that he submitted his own will to the will of God Almighty This is simple basic definition of Islam. Person who submits own will to the will of God Almighty is called Muslim. If you love Jesus then follow Jesus.

[@slippingsnake]

About the 1924 Hafz quran Kairo edition: this was issued by the Al-Azhar University, according to german wiki there was a comitee of 4 scholars and... "this Edition follows the reading (qira) of Asim (from Kufa) in the lore of Hafz, the most popular reading of the quran." Somehow I feel that a similar process took place in other islamic schools and univerities, but we never hear about that?

[@keyurpatel1982]

Imagine if all of this was presented to Osama bin Laden before 9/11. Would he have given up Islam ???

[@dipudtt]

Absolutely fantastic need to get to the bottom of this 👏

[@Gyiebay]

i'm still following the series

[@gramaniguna]

Dear Jay Thanks for all your contributions .Fantastic. I have one request. Can you please explain chronologically the aspects of RASM Diacritical markings. and the vowel notations of the Arabic language . Chronology of these developments are very much important . You can do this in a separate video. Thanks.And God bless you and your ministry and family.

[@didierfavre2356]

@Forgiving Fragrance Do you recognize a truth as such because it's written in the Qur'an?

[@didierfavre2356]

@Forgiving Fragrance You do not master the language question.

[@didierfavre2356]

@Forgiving Fragrance Then you are in a delusion. I don't know very well the moon in spite of the fact I know it exists. You can have a look yourself about it.

[@didierfavre2356]

@Forgiving Fragrance Simple, I know the moon exists and don't know a lot about it. I can't say I know it very well. You told me you know very well the truth. It's impossible. The moon is easier to know than god and I don't know it very well. Therefore believing you know very well god is delusional. I answer here for the second time your question and hope you get it this time.

[@didierfavre2356]

@Sona Chris How do you recognize a truth when you meet one? That is my question and you have not answered it yet. Had the moon been split and glued back it would show. Simply gravimetry would show it happened. Scars would be visible. So I do not believe. I do prefer the de-occultation of Mars by the Moon. It would explain why there is a crescent and a star on many Islamic flags. The only wonder here is scientific. The moon exists. It's a truth and each of us can check it. This truth is not the entire story of the moon. One can spend his life about it without getting it all. The moon is a simple object to consider when it's compared with the entire universe and the human history.

[@78Dipar]

Even if there are different canons of the Quran, it's not the main problem. Even if we were sure that we had exactly all what Muhammad told to his followers, it doesn't mean that any of it is real God's message. Muhammad had his revelations without any whitnesses, and could have invented it all , and it's most likely the case. Why would an allmighty God rely on a single messenger to communicate with all humans ? it makes no sense...

[@siaitsme6800]

Exactly what I have been thinking....

[@keyurpatel1982]

That too Muhammad was illiterate. So his scribe was Zaid Ibn Thabit was writing down the Koran.

[@ishmaelm1932]

I was a Muslim now an agnostic. I still am Muslim culturally if you can understand that. The Quranic preservation theory definitely has holes. I'm a historian by trade and impressed with this guys research. The early ummayad era definitely introduced problems for modern day muslims. Believe this guy isn't even touching the tip on this iceberg. It gets even more complicated once you conduct aggressive historical and linguistic analysis.

[@ishmaelm1932]

@@onlignebridge4224 What? What's so wrong about not truly understanding the fabric of this universe? What's wrong with saying, "I don't know if a supreme God rules the entire universe mysteriously, more evidence is needed to prove it." How is saying that Jesus or Allah exist and that they created universe in 6 or 7 days blah blah blah. No evidence, no proof, just simple faith. It's wrong and that thinking is very limiting. I'm no evangelist. I'll tell you right now, anybody with a simple understanding of critical thinking would be able to analyze the Quranic history and linguistic aspect too. They will always come to conclusion that this book isn't a God made book, and that there could have been multiple authors and/or compiled horribly. The bible isn't free from error too. The bible is incoherent too. Rambling go on forever, only reason why they get a pass is because it wasn't written by Jesus. There comes another issue. The new testament wasn't written during the time Jesus but after is crucifixion. This is the same issue the Quran faced. Honestly, this Jay Smith guy did great work researching errors in the Quran but it's very ironic for him to call out problems of that book when the bible itself has problems too. Cognitive dissonance does that, he's completely oblivious to this irony and to an extent, hypocrisy.

[@Muber275]

@@onlignebridge4224 education is the answer!

[@MsAfrocomb1]

@@ishmaelm1932 The Bible is still being written today, every day people around the world are experiencing the living truth of the Bible. Just like the writers in the old and new testament, I have seen, heard, witnessed, experienced the same as millions of people around the world and my life and theirs is another chapter of the Holy Bible.. amazing right. Imagine that, and that's from a 'so called' flawed book. How is it that I have experienced the Holy spirit? Praying for myself and people in the name of Jesus and before my eyes and theirs healed? Why is it at the mention of the name of Jesus, unclean spirits vocally, and visually exit peoples bodies...just like Jesus said and the writers in the old testament...coincidence? Good, day to you.

[@oleksijm]

Stay safe, Ishmael.

[@mumbai59]

Unless you are Arab there is no reason to be culturally Muslim. Islam is actually Arabs imposing their culture and way of life on other cultures.

[@Dekanalini]

I have always too many contradictions in the Quran that I read in 1982. That Quran was Al Madudi’s Quran with English translation from the UAE

[@hawaandroid2786]

Did you learn arabic to read quran? Or you were reading english translation of quran?

[@abbasbeig3943]

Really ? What did you read ? Share here please .

[@PremKumar-nk3db]

Good analysis 👍🏼

[@tomjeff1743]

Muslim ads on these videos. Ironic.

[@muhamadabdulaziz1570]

Well i got jesus the chosen one ad 😛

[@josepholaseni4197]

Interesting brother Al Fadi and Jay Smith. I'm enjoying your researches. Bible encourages research, investigation and questioning. We are not to be gullible, but to investigate what we believes because of its eternal consequences. Lies once swallowed can be very difficult to vomit, most especially because of the pride of man.

[@user-ex9pc9ps8x]

Supported and guided: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.

[@deusvult2302]

Dear Cira/Al Fadi/brother Jay...thank you for this interesting sessions. One small criticism, the volume is too low! I listened with headphones on my Smartphone and had to replay several minutes to relisten!

[@JESUSistheTRUTH-ROBLOX]

all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD and we all deserve eternal condemnation in hell, for the wages of sin is death, but the Gift of GOD is eternal life in CHRIST JESUS our LORD (romans 6:23). the FATHER sent HIS only begotten SON into the world (john 3:16), (JESUS is GOD made manifest in the likeness of men, in flesh) (philippians 2:7), to lay down HIS very own precious Life for us all while being mocked, insulted, provoked, humiliated, etc., (luke 23) and to shed HIS very own blood because without blood, there can be no forgiveness of sins (justly) (hebrews 9:22) and the LORD on that cross said one of the most beautiful things, “FATHER, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.” (luke 23:37), and the LORD physically rose from the grave 3 days later, appearing to over 500 witnesses and HE now offers a new covenant of grace, in which we will never be saved or justified by the law or doing more good than bad, but we are saved by the unmerited love and favor (grace) of GOD through faith in HIM alone (ephesians 2:8) and the children of GOD are sealed with HIS HOLY SPIRIT as a deposit of the promised inheritance until the redemption of GOD’s children that is to come - to the praise of GOD’s glory (ephesians 1:14)! GOD bless you! :)

[@edwardkarithi2347]

Excellent bro in christ 4 all that eye opening analysis

[@TRUTH_2024]

Read bible logical mindset , you will be ex-Christian by the time you finish reading.

[@JESUSistheTRUTH-ROBLOX]

@@TRUTH_2024 I've read it almost 3 times now and I'm more and more in love with the LORD and I'm more and more passionate about learning about HIM and glorifying HIM! ALLELUIA!

[@sunnyr2794]

This is amazing. And makes a lot of sense When you start piecing the components together. Needless to say there will be no rebuttal just personal attacks or bring in Christianity into the argument..

[@sunnyr2794]

@@onlignebridge4224 because I don’t believe the standard islamic narrative, as I have alluded to above it’s got nothing to do with Christianity, but as per usual, being a typical muslim, you bring Christianity into it. As for your link, I don’t trust ‘paul the muslim’ on anything related to islam, he isn’t a scholar. Although being a scholar of islam is pretty embarrassing nowadays..

[@sunnyr2794]

@@onlignebridge4224 lol have you listened to yourself? You did exactly what I thought you would, where’s the rebuttal? And if there’s no rebuttal why are you taking the time to respond to me? Muslim scholars should have been looking into and addressing claims like this long before they manifested, now the world knows, that there’s clearly holes. As a muslim this should concern you, I don’t know why it isn’t. Instead of going to Christianity ask yourself why the islamic narrative is falling apart

[@sunnyr2794]

@@onlignebridge4224 dude I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps re-read my initial comment and leave it at that..

[@vivliforia2262]

@@onlignebridge4224 Islam is false. The Trinity is right. QS 56:57 (Hafs Version) نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَٰكُمْ فَلَوْلَا تُصَدِّقُونَ Naḥnu khalaqnākum falau lā tuṣaddiqụn WE have created you, why do you not believe? WE HAVE CREATED??? NAHNU (نَحْنُ) PRON - 1st person PLURAL PERSONal pronoun LINK: corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(56:57:1) KHALAQNĀKUM (خَلَقْنَٰكُمْ); focus on the word KHALAQ on the verse V - 1st PERSON PLURAL perfect verb LINK: corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(56:57:2) NAHNU and KHALAQ are in PLURAL form. ISLAMIC ONENESS IS DONE FOR. THE TRINITY PREVAILS (WE and I, plural and singular).

[@abbasbeig3943]

John 5:30 ( Jesus said) " I do nothing by my own will but by the will of God Almighty" Jesus announced he submitted his own will to the will of God Almighty. This is simple and basic definition of Islam. Person who submits own will to the will of God is called Muslim. Love Jesus ? Than follow Jesus !

[@ashokkothari8461]

Superb Thanks

[@MoreToTheTruthThanMeetsTheEye]

Excellent insights

[@nunyabeeswax9463]

I hate to be that guy, couldn't Muslims just say Allah willed it? The plethora of information ya'll produce is amazing. God bless.

[@vivliforia2262]

@@onlignebridge4224 ISLAM is false. And the Trinity is right. QS 56:57 (Hafs Version) نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَٰكُمْ فَلَوْلَا تُصَدِّقُونَ Naḥnu (We) khalaqnākum (have created you) falau (why) lā (not) tuṣaddiqụn (you state it true) WE have created you, why do you not believe? WE HAVE CREATED??? NAHNU (نَحْنُ) PRON - 1st person PLURAL PERSONal pronoun LINK: corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(56:57:1) KHALAQNĀKUM (خَلَقْنَٰكُمْ); focus on the word KHALAQ on the verse V - 1st PERSON PLURAL perfect verb LINK: corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(56:57:2) NAHNU and KHALAQ are in PLURAL form. ISLAMIC ONENESS IS DONE FOR. THE TRINITY PREVAILS (WE and I, plural and singular).

[@jsilvanus240]

In islam you are either FOOLED or a FOOL.without LIES Islam DIES.

[@hdl135605]

You are right judging from the various deceptions of Islam, apart from 'taqiyya'.

[@esthernarayana2787]

Absolutely they are

[@deepakrebentisch9173]

excellent post ,Delliah

[@janinelaura9512]

This is absolutely fascinating. I really enjoy the passion with which you both present this series. As a follower of Yeshua, I feel so heartsore for the billions who have been so misled by a cult, because that's all it is, a manmade device by which to control so many and the lives it destroys every day. I pray for Abba's mercy to reach those who will be hungry to understand our faith in the Word of Yahua.

[@JhgffjPoubelle]

Do not forget that this channel is an apologetic one. You could easily find the same with other religions. If you beleive in YHWH, you might be following a bronze age god of the forge, invented before the Jews took it for them. I also feel heartsore for the 4-5 billions misled by the legends, taking them seriously up to killing the ones not agreeing. There is only one commendment to be followed. Be nice. The rest is bullshit.

[@bernietuballas7105]

He burned the people who recite the Quran differently. Lol

[@lastprophet8338]

I think there should be only one Quran today after Uthman burnt all the original manuscripts of the Quran after he made his own Quran, how do we still have several different Arabic Qurans circulating worldwide today?

[@tomjeff1743]

It doesn't matter to true believers

[@lastprophet8338]

@@tomjeff1743 Which means Allah couldn’t protect Qurans as he claimed

[@esuobongndong5423]

@@tomjeff1743 .......then it should matter to false (fake) believers. Stop defending errors in a false god and prophet but stand for the truth and what is truthful!

[@gilbertjones9157]

We know of 30 with a possible 7 more. There is a tsunami rising as the history is being found, much from outside of the Arab reach.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@@tomjeff1743 Sounds like to me that you are leaving out Perfect Preservations for the true believers.

[@profprabirkumarpattnaik7088]

Very interesting Findings and Pakistani and Indian Muslims Must Know it

[@theastronomer5800]

Very informative, as always. It's difficult to paint an exact picture of what actually took place when it comes to early Islam/Quran so the "truth" may be somewhere in between (probably closer to what Jay and Quranic scholars say), but for sure not what the traditional narrative used today says.

[@jonathanpeter8138]

Amazing and incadbele information about the Historycil Fact.

[@sharafshamsudeen1157]

The research is really amazing. Muslim brothers must listen and learn the actual history.

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

Sharaf Shamsudeen, are you Muslim? what do you mean by amazing? This Jay Smith is a "liar" and "inconsistent" and what he knows only saying "oh tutututututut" showing his inconsistencies!

[@bhec7715]

@@eljumaidilbinahmad2464 sorry but if you’re watching this video and videos like it, it is very very obvious that we have no real idea how Islam even formed. You have all these warlords all over the place. You have warlords in the middle of Anatolia in the early 600’s. You have warlords in Palestine. You have warlords at the top of the Persian gulf. If they came out of Arabia at all, there’s no real evidence as there’s zero contemporary writing about them being anywhere but the places I’ve mentioned. So you have all these different characters battling Byzantines, Persians, and each other. The reality is, we have no idea what really happened. I’m sure some of them came out of Arabia but there is no way they were all from the same tribe. No way. That is 100% fairytale.

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

@@bhec7715 so far I know you are the first man that failed history [or] maybe you are blind!

[@pagangods5191]

Eathan hunt might be able to bring that Tablet from Heaven.

[@pccministries5172]

Thanks!

[@titobabu7980]

Shalom & Love from Bangladesh.

[@hogbenfan]

Besides pronunciation differences, dialects also have vocabulary differences, as in English dialects we have, brook, stream, creek, beck, burn etc

[@edwinflakes1132]

Exactly - the unreflective Mohammadan claim that Arabic is unique in this aspect is fatuous, stupid, infantile, moronic, etc etc etc etc ---Ah the complexity of 'English' -----or are we talking about something more fundamental to being human!

[@neildunford241]

And the lesson here? Eventually: lies, false claims, catch up with you. And the bigger they are? The more painful it will be when they're uncovered. I genuinely feel sorry for all the Muslims that have been deliberately lied to, for all this time...

[@nafpalagawad1636]

Really 😂😂😂😂

[@ibrahimdubow9756]

this guy cannot even debete a single scholar of Islam he is here saying something he understand

[@ibrahimdubow9756]

He doesn't understand

[@neildunford241]

@@ibrahimdubow9756 Care to flesh that out? What is he not understanding? Its a binary piece, isn't it. Either the Qur'an has remained perfectly preserved from day one & all Qur'ans are, and always have been, exactly the same. Or, that's not true. Which is it?

[@patttrick]

Superb

[@sadhuomkarbaba828]

Brave work!

[@yvonnegonzales2973]

Battle of Qur'an, best reciters & defeated Qur'an burned

[@kk-zk8gi]

Ooooo God make me wise like that man jay. Aminaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@kamrankhanafridi7080]

The most sane suitable and just thing in finding truth is to search for oneself ..... therefore, we should go through the english translation of the bible and Quran ....then we will certainly be able to draw conclusion for ourselves ..... May God bless us all! !!! Love to all😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘...

[@carlose5751]

Al Fadi microphone was not working correctly. 😐

[@AliveSince1975]

All your criticism is from Hadith literature and have no Quranic basis. We’ve come to find out that traditional Islamic history is suspect

[@roshlew6994]

Correct.. the standard Islamic narrative is full of holes and is completely fabricated falsehoods..

[@AliveSince1975]

@mysotiras5 WRONG! The reminder/message has been preserved and remains the same no matter what Arabic language or translation it’s in.

[@outlierjahd7910]

Al Fadi I can't hear you clearly

[@vkk8529]

I'm enjoying the work you guys are doing, both here and the Planda Films channel. Around 2:36 from the start, Dr Jay says something about Muhammad's SECRETARY writing the first Qur'an...So doesn't that mean there were writings done by an "eyewitness"..? Jay also says that the secretary gave it to his daughter who put it under the bed for 20yrs. Was that text taken out from under the bed at anytime, in order to be conserved etc...I guess probably not.

[@michaels4255]

Muslims say that Muhammad was illiterate.

[@ldmdesign5610]

I'd be interested to see some examples of differences of the texts. Do they go as far as changing the meanings, practices, etc. Or is it just rewording

[@JhgffjPoubelle]

Not changing the meanings, overall (see "Sanaa manuscripts" for a good example) But many consider it has not changed in the slightest form. Not a single word. Mostly either rewording, or little changes in phrasings. Sorry i cannot give proper examples (see Sanaa) The fact that even implying it has changed / has many variations can lead to death penalties in many countries, making people not even thinking about studying it. Ex. Some students from North Africa must come to France to study the historicity of the hadith, otherwise they are prevented from studying and risk jailtime. Do not seek those studies from muslim countries. AND be careful when learning from Christians ! Mr Jay Smith being a religious apologetic machine ! He will dig deep but focus on his religion being the one and only. You have a lot of reading to do, enjoy learning arameic, latin, arabic, syriac... :)

[@nadra2409]

a not so preserved book i would say... ahahahahaha...

[@hawaandroid2786]

Why did you say so, in Birmingham, they found old Al Quran dating at least during the time when is perhaps the prophet still alive , the compilation is still the same as like today.

[@karanbhau]

​@@hawaandroid2786this writing had chapter separators and dotted verse endings - features in Arabic scripts which are believed not to have been introduced to the Quran until later.this means it was written later..

[@aldredtawasil9339]

through his scribes,many of his companions memorize the entire revelations and in turn,possess their own private copies of dual preservation of the Quran in written and in the memory was carried out in each subsequent generation till our time without deletion, interpolation, or corruptions of divine books.. Quran is the only book, religious secular,on the face of this planet has been memorized by millions..this memorizer ranges from age 6 and up.both Arabic and non Arabic speaking.,black and whites, oriental,poor and wealthy...

[@profitsearchgroup4891]

but quran is itself corrupt. no need to corrupt it

[@gilbertjones9157]

You are not paying attention. This is a reality for Muslims as it a coin they don't have.

[@gilbertjones9157]

No one has adequately explained why various personal Qurans had more or less surias that the current one used today. Ahhhh, wait before you say anything about personal REMEMBER this is the Quran that matches the one kept in heaven. How can there be variations if they all derive from the one in Heaven? Since these were different just by volume why did they not get incorporated into the existing one(s)? Are they all the Quran? Then why did they get left out? What is left? Perfectly Preserved? By What Measure as we know that there were Early differences?

[@gilbertjones9157]

It's okay if you go into a mantra chant about what you believe. Be aware we have heard it before and when your done the questions raised will still be here and still need to be answered.

[@aldredtawasil9339]

@@profitsearchgroup4891 corrupted book? its not from muslim holy book,it came from corrupted bible...why is it so? the original message of the bible has been corrupted by centuries of copying, translating, and passing down information.the result is mishmash of contradiction and errors.the consequence of which is that the original gospel message was lost..

[@Success3797]

You shall know the Truth and The Truth will set you free...Truth is freedom...!!

[@boobsruntube6541]

This video has created a tsunami of triggered abdools with no solid answers. Conclusion: job well done.

[@steveveron251]

@@onlignebridge4224 ISLAM IS SOOOO FALSE AND DECEITFUL .

[@boobsruntube6541]

@@onlignebridge4224 There is too much evidence for Trinity in throughout the Bible to ignore it.

[@boobsruntube6541]

@@onlignebridge4224 Ya triggered Abdool, you are trying your damnedest to deflect from the topic of this video because it's shaking your sham cult. I answered you once but I'm not going to play your game and get away from the fact that your quran is a hoax. If you want to have a conversation about the Trinity then come to a channel where this topic is being discussed. We'll answer you there. If you want Dr. Smith or Al Fadi to discuss this topic, then direct your inquiry to them asking to make a separate video about this.

[@koba9463]

Whoever wrote the Quran had ADHD. They couldn't focus on single thought. Every verse skips from 1 topic to another.

[@rachael8796]

How rude. ADHD is something people suffer from. No need to be so derogatory.

[@koba9463]

@@rachael8796 i think you're too stupid to understand what i said

[@evil7529]

I feel that an extra sura describing a delorean will come to light. Maybe from under a bed somewhere. 😅

[@anna8576]

Where we can get all this info ? Is it in Robert Spencer 's book?

[@MrMirville]

The Quranic text is composed so as for all letters in one verse to add up to a number which is always a multiple of 19. Several books of the Bible are also written that way. That makes modifications far more difficult.

[@kevinbeckenham3872]

Where does Jay Smith gets his evidents from ?

[@wahlao81]

Hi brother Al Fadi and Jay, since the Quran was compiled after Muhammad's death...what "book" (Kitaab) was Muhammad referring to in sura 6:114-115 and other suras? He seemed to be referring to a book that was already in existence when he was alive. Do you have any comment on this?

[@smarthungyo]

I’m not a muslim but my perspective on muslim has been changed.

[@AK-dr2sl]

"Among them is a group who distort the Book with their tongues so that you think it is from the Book when it is not from the Book. They say, 'it is from Allaah', but it is not from Allaah. They tell a lie against Allaah and they know it." Qur'aan, 3:78

[@RR_theproahole]

😂😂 Quran describing Mo

[@randomthings-xf1nd]

Love u both sir

[@greatndit]

i watched this video waiting for the moment they show the differences of content between Qur'An ... please show the differences

[@foundthetruth2003]

If Islam wasn’t so deadly it would be hilarious, the more it’s uncovered the more it crumbles…sounds like my favourite pudding!!😊

[@gaffarsaadh6191]

I would always like to watch those YOUTube vedio channels made by people who are not addicted to consuming alcohol. I don't know how to check it.

[@Liphted]

*Bean pie my brother?*

[@simontemplar3359]

Omg when Al Fadi called the Hafs Quran the NIV of Qurans.. that's some seriously hilarious stuff!

[@danieltang1680]

Ah. Mr Al Fadi. I can see that you feel the pain of your folks in Saudi and the Muslims world that they have been ignorant of the truth and missing out on the saving grace of Jesus. Keep up with the good work brother. I’m in prayer for you.

[@hughuglover6410]

It always stuns and amazes me.... - what kind of inept god who is supposed to be all knowing gives his final word to someone who do not understand that it is important to write the message down fast when they were heard, who is sent to a people who has a language that cannot transmit the content clearly?

[@RR_theproahole]

God chose a language that didn't have a proper writing system at that time, we can assert that this god was willing to corrupt his own message.

[@justinjolly4513]

I don't understand why then my Muslim friend say Bible is manipulated..when I can see the Quran is not yet finalized..

[@paulcheong4419]

once again THANKS bros....Yahweh bless you...

[@marker0016]

Pls ensure voice better quality...pls

[@justaminute3111]

Love your work. I've been following for some time now. I was just listening to your "the narrative is still changing" disclaimer which is a hallmark of good researchers. What I was wondering, would it help or hurt your objectives to point out that despite your current evidence, you are, of course, open to evidence indicating that the Islamic version of Mohammed did exist? Not that I would expect otherwise but some people need these things spelled out. Hey, you still don't need to think that he was a prophet just because he existed. I wouldn't. Plenty of false prophets were undoubtedly real people.

[@darkuzreaper8896]

Time is Gold.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

Waay too technical. I can't follow the argument, so I can't possibly discuss it with a Muslim. I can only get this point: "There are holes in the narrative. And the Muslims have their facts all wrong." Which I knew already.

[@MrChemenger]

Alfadi and Jay a question for you both. The Muslims can say all those dialects were from their prophet and were transmitted orally. They were written down hundreds of years later. What would you say to that!

[@mreza84]

Al Fadi and Jay Brother love from Iran ❤

[@georgeblake1822]

this is really confusing. In some of your talks you say that the first writings were only 200 years after Mohammad. But here you say it was written just after Mohammad .??????? please explain

[@simonsay1944]

jay do you memorize Christmas song aren't you, like jingle bell, holy night, do you know its already 200 years old song and it's never change, why? because everybody know this song, its a legendary song for Christmas and I bet it will never change for the next 200 years

[@sungodnika3545]

is Jesus sing that song too?

[@Yuyup7334]

You've forgot to see (and probably you do see and know it but do not want to admit it), that those songs exist in writing as well, almost as earlly as their inceptions; and existing in writing is the prime thing that makes them do not change for so many hundreds of years, not that they are known by everybody or are memorized by many, as not everybody knows them and most of the Christians, 90% of them, do not know those songs. It is not the memorization that preserves them, neither the knowledge of many, since most of the Christians, I bet 90% of them, do not know those songs let alone memorize them, but existing in writings. Do countries and kingdoms since old times preserve their constitutions and laws by having them memorized by the populace or by putting them into writings? Do they shun out every mean but memorization to preserve their constitutions and laws? It is obvious that the answer to the question is, "No they don't".

[@simonsay1944]

@@Yuyup7334 well do you memorized your national anthem then? or your favorite band like billie jean michael jackson, it will never change until the hundred year in ancient time like prophet Muhammad life when most of people even in most of the world cannot read or write , memorization is the best way to preserve god word and Al Quran put it in writing from just one year after prophet Muhammad died, so we have 2 way of preservation, memorization and writing form there you go if you memorize the constitutions and laws and there a change you will know cause you memorized it, but if you put it in writing, you must look in writing form first to check it whether there's any modification or not, and if you have the authority to restore it before modification, you can easily do that cause you memorized it what i mean is the mass memorization preserve the song from any alteration because its so popular that everybody know it and memorize it muslim memorized Al Quran because its a word of god, its recite every day in our 5 day prayer, i hope you understand my point

[@kaloarepo288]

Musical notation was invented in 11th century Italy by a monk to help with the singing of his choir -ever since then all the great music by great composers has been preserved in the original score.Even the Christmas songs were written down. -"Holy Night" was written by French composer Adolph Adam in the 19th Century.Traditional pieces were not written down so would change gradually over the centuries until they were written down by people interested in folk and traditional music in later ages.

[@Yuyup7334]

@@kaloarepo288 You've made a big point.

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

FYI- I didn't get notification for this video 😡

[@SalimAhmad204682]

﴿٢٦﴾ وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَا تَسْمَعُوا لِهَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ وَالْغَوْا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَغْلِبُونَ 26. And those who disbelieve say, “Do not listen to this Quran, and talk over it, so that you may prevail.”