The Shatterline Devs have responded to the backlash...

The Shatterline Developers have responded to the backlash. This isn't good.
Join the BenQ Giveaway: linktr.ee/Bigfry
LIKE and SUBSCRIBE with NOTIFICATIONS ON if you enjoyed the video! 👍
💪BECOME A MEMBER OF THE CHANNEL - kzbin.info...
💰 DONATE: streamlabs.com...
👕 MERCH: bigfryshop.com
🖥️ BENQ Monitors: benqurl.biz/3E...
Shatterline Q&A Video (The one I used in the video) • Fraglab X Faraway Shat...
Make sure to check out their channel! / @dinolind
▶️ GET CONNECTED:
🎥 MoreBigfry: / morebigfry
🎮 Game Store | www.nexus.gg/B...
🎮 Fanatical Game Keys | www.fanatical....
👉 Discord | / discord
🐦 Twitter | / bigfrytv
📷 Instagram | / bigfrytv
📱 TikTok | tiktok.com/Big...
Outro Cover Done by: / @zulegmat

[@BigfryTV]

I really do feel like this is the end of the road for Shatterline. If they find a new home with the crypto bros... Great. I won't be along for that ride. Join the BenQ Giveaway here: linktr.ee/Bigfry (Sorry, KZbin doesn't like Gleam links, but its the top link on my Linktree)

[@WolfyRagnarok]

Hey man, great video. Regarding the previous one, did they agree to remove the weapon charm with your logo from the game, or is that still a point of contention?

[@SergeyWaytov]

Its such a shame, I hoped at least people who DIDN'T get banned in game for having "Wrong" IP address, could continue having a good time, and now find out its been turning worse and worse, all the way into CryptoSCAM

[@toyfan1769]

"Ill have a link down below, go check" And no link lol

[@Tuffsmoygles]

Gamigo has done the same thing to half a dozen other MMO's. They buy it, offer a vast cash shop with everything players might want, then stop supporting the game until it's unplayable. The only way it stops is if people make it financially unviable to do this, by not buying anything in the cash shop. Unfortunately there is still a large number of gamers that will pay out the parasites, so this is built into the MMO lifecycle now.

[@therobbedsonofdan9774]

Hey bigfry I know this is a random comment, I know you've been checking out "boomer" Shooters, you should REALLY check out Divine Frequency it's a fantastic GZDoom game/mod as a stand alone game. There's only a demo out right now but, wow was it a trip. Would love to see you cover it in a video at some point. Thanks man.

[@Pipopowitz]

NFT garbage and a FIFA Ultimate team mode....Did they hire fucking Andrew Wilson from EA to ruin their shit?

[@TheChrisLouis]

and the funny thing is, people like FIFA Ultimate team because they are pulling cards of their favorite players from an actual sport who are actually famous. No one is going to give a single shit when they pull a Gregory Smith Shatterline card from a pack. The devs are truly grasping at straws here.

[@Tuffsmoygles]

At the end of the day a lot of game developers have become more about profit and less about product. If it's profitable at the expense of reputation, it's a good move. That works fine in the short run, but there are developers that I will not buy games from b/c of their reputation (EA and Ubisoft come to mind). I spend probably $500 a year on gaming so not a terrible amount, but I at least know that isn't going to another "grindy on purpose to sell you an XP boost" garbage game.

[@0owmjapo0]

the game was already dead and now they're burying it

[@zakskellington2732]

I still found the game fun to randomly play every couple weeks but there’s no reason to go back now

[@miss_sara6905]

the game was fun loved the PVE but this really just Killed it

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

Shatterline didn’t JUST die… … … IT WAS MURDERED…!!!

[@ashsuri1289]

what game is this kid talking about?

[@SlaveKnightGael1579]

@@ashsuri1289 Did you even read the title?

[@TheFlintStryker]

Fu%k NFT’s, pure and simple. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@delindsay]

ANY Studio that actually makes the choice to use the KNOWN SCAM "NFT" is a Studio that no longer deserves ANY audience.

[@austinaragon3110]

What NFT is not a scam? Like a genuine question. When were NFT's not at worst a way to steal money from FOMO idiots, and at best a way to waste money on funny monkey images because you were bored?

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

That's like saying "the known scam online shopping" or "the internet." The tech itself isn't the scam, it's just a method that's new and poorly understood by most people taken advantage of by certain assholes to scam people out of money.

[@DanielFrost79]

Exactly. From a somewhat bright future to this BS... wtf..

[@Tuffsmoygles]

Problem is they will just shut down the studio and open a new one with a new name. Or they sell to someone like Gamigo and then they aren't tainted by the inevitable pay-to-win cash shop and shut down of servers.

[@delindsay]

@@Tuffsmoygles 100%.

[@LordParcyval]

this is actually illegal. they knew from 2022 they will do this and didn't tell the players, and now when transfering to epic games they take the account progress away from players, they KNEW they will do this, but still allowed purchases the whole time

[@overheadcam]

100% agree

[@MysticalCabal]

The best country to do an investigation to this company for false advertising and more. Is uk. If enough player complain their a certain amount of signature their be an immediate investigation like no man sky as an example.

[@Stormkrasher]

@@MysticalCabal Another good option could be Australia as their Consumer Rights Protection has dropped the hammer on many games that shipped unplayable or not as advertised whether from the get go or down the line

[@MysticalCabal]

@Stormkrasher someone needs to start a petition or call representatives. Hopefully, everyone comes together and fight this.

[@Lenariet]

I'd wager something something ToS saying basically "everything is subject to change" something something. If any of you care enough go on and try, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[@mcbookie3680]

Them leaving STEAM without finishing the game should be against TOS and be required to refund all accounts. How is this legal?

[@Unknown_Genius]

Why is this legal? Simple: Because you never bought a product but something where access can be revoked at any time while not owning even having the rights to any files on a disc most of the time nowadays - which is perfectly legal in terms of software. Would I doubt that a court in most countries would classify how they handled it as a scam as it goes way further than just the usual bs? Not really, I do imagine that this particular case may actually have a chance of getting ripped apart on every line - might be wrong about that, but I still do imagine as this pretty much is fraud by definition.

[@yocloak]

@@Unknown_Geniusthey pretty much just released an unfinished game and are taking away every single penny you spent on the game while saying f^ck you

[@davidpowers9178]

Steam needs to make an example out of them.

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@yocloak That's why I named the second part, specifically because they don't just just shut down but run off for a re-release.

[@spankyjeffro5320]

@@Unknown_Genius Correction: Even with disks, you never owned the game. You have always "rented" the game in one way or another. You have never and will never "own" any game. Get used to it, it's not possible. As usual, most commenters never read the TOS and have no actual knowledge of the Law.

[@Spacemarine658]

Welp there's another game I'm not playing, NFTs are trash

[@TheLongVigil]

Why are people still trying to make this blockchain shit work? Its been proven time and again, no one wants this. They are useless, wastes of time and have NO monetary value. Yet these guys somehow always end up getting sold in implementing Crypto. It has a 0% track record of working...

[@iamvorzs]

LOL, "He loves to engagement farm..." Says the NFT devs...

[@RifRafJonesy]

Lol, that's his job. The devs job is to give BF something positive to talk about, not negative.

[@BuenoDrake]

This developer is about to begin "exploring" bankruptcy.

[@freshglizzy3763]

Its a power move to watch the subsequent, unanimous, and total rejection of NFTs in videogames over the last 2/3 years and implement it anyway

[@LeSkinner]

Lmao for real

[@ABIADAB]

more like a retarded move tbh

[@RemedieX]

*greed and ignorance* tbh

[@Pabloesc571]

​@@RemedieX this is more damage control than greed. This studio spent like what, 3 years developing this game? I don't think they made much money during that time, since the game never actually released. They specifically tried to release it independently without a publisher. This game was absolutely incredible when people were playing, sadly it's past the point of coming back. Crypto stuff definitely seems very sketchy, they are yet to scam anyone though so they are not criminals for implementing this. And about skins and all that I remember very clearly when they warned about this wayyyy earlier when the game had many players. Lol It was in the Fucking game they said that you might not be able to keep the stuff you bought. This video is kind of misinformation tbh

[@Pabloesc571]

Also, counter strike was doing "nft's" before even it was a thing, just not on Blockchain and it was fine. 🤷

[@HangOnThereSlick]

These devs just refuse to understand that we gamers do NOT WANT NFTs IN OUR GAMES

[@TrizollinTehWorld]

I haven't even heard anyone talking about NFT for over a year. It seems like a dumb business decision when most of the world has decided they're bs.

[@daywalker6747]

They know, they just don't care. I would guess they are just trying a desperate way to recover what was invested, and run.

[@ManicBacon]

​@TrizollinTehWorld the last time I heard about NFTs was back when Ubisoft was tryna implement them into Ghost Recon

[@Tuffsmoygles]

You don't seem to understand that they don't care. They have decided that the money is good enough to sell their player base that will buy them. it's like selling a car that you think is about to breakdown for good. You don't care who buys it as lot as you get paid.

[@madbruv]

Cs2 skins are nfts.

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

"We want the game to be perfect on PC." >Implements NFTs Already, the devs for this game ruined the chances of their game getting close to 'perfection.' NFTs are a blatant scam and it's honestly baffling this is 'trend' is somehow still kicking.

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

Technically they aren’t scams, if the buyer knows what they’re getting. What they _are_ is an avenue for money laundering, something that Steam seems unwilling to support.

[@MoteDaddy]

​@@palecaptainwolfkayls8499🤓

[@tylern6420]

​@@palecaptainwolfkayls8499 literally every crypto game is a ponzi/pyramid scheme, an asset pack or just some endless beta shitfest with random terms thrown around, usually without the game even existing

[@Freedomlander_101]

Dude how in The TF are NFTs are still alive?? Stupidest bold move from this people, RIP

[@ssfbob456]

The market is essentially dead, reminds me of all the old people still holding onto their Beanie Babies.

[@Freedomlander_101]

@@ssfbob456 How delusional from them, sad.

[@hakzource8660]

The technology itself is alive and well, but the “NFT crypto market” is honestly just gone. You attach 3 simple letters to anything and it will turn away 90% of people 😂

[@RePlayQ]

How do you suggest digital ownership should work? Cause as it stands right now, companies can take away any digital items at any time they deem fit. If say a gun skin were an Nft, even if the game went down, you still technically own that gun skin (just a png+3d model) and can sell it

[@Freedomlander_101]

@@RePlayQ here's my 2 cents, i barely know anything regarding NFTs (basically because i don't care pretty much) but the deal is, gamers if they see the Word NFT in any Game (even in The most popular Game rn) they'll just go away and play anything else where NFTs aren't a thing, lets just say that im talking from the gamer's point of view. Most companies now know exactly that including NFTs in your products is straight out bankrupt suicide, gamers go on gaming as a form of escapism from real world problems, NFTs are a problem, its been proven several times how this market is a complete failure. If they want to make money out of gaming, just include microtransactions or anything else, that way you don't lose your playerbase (depends of how expensive the MTX are and what aspects will affect in the game, both Gameplay wise or just simple cosmetics)

[@ChaosAOE]

I would stop playing video games before involving myself in anything associated with an NFT. I would legitimately give up the hobby before going within a mile of anything NFT based. I wouldn't even play a FTP with optional cosmetic NFTs.

[@44ValentinoReverent]

😂 I feel this way about it but Shatterline was the game that got me back into gaming daily smh

[@RePlayQ]

Why? Gun skins in cs are essentially nfts, but aren’t called that cause valve manages the market like a bank instead of it being based on the blockchain. Why wouldn’t you want the option to sell skins you don’t want? Is it only on principle? Tbh I’m tired of not “owning” the things I’ve bought in games, let me sell off this skin I don’t use anymore.

[@triadwarfare]

​​​@@RePlayQnah. NFT has a processing overhead that makes it way more expensive and impractical to implement efficiently compared to centralized systems. Imagine most of what you are paying is just going to the blockchain transaction overhead. Also, there is no incentive for other developers to "integrate" another project's NFT to their game. NFTs aren't magic that assets of one game would instantly transfer to another seamlessly just because you own a particular NFT You are still not owning sht in NFTs. All you own is a link to a JPEG. If you build a game around the skin economy, that would be an instant fail. Counter-Strike was a game first but its skin economy was built later. This is different where you make the skin economy the entire focus of the game.

[@Lenariet]

​​@@RePlayQYou answered it yourself: NFTs serve no real purpose. It can be done without them, games like CS:GO, TF2 or Rust are proof. NFTs are a solution looking for a problem. If devs wanted you to be able to sell your stuff to other players they could realize it without any blockchain. There is also no true benefit to using external platforms as 99,99% of game assets will always only be usable and have only value in the game they were made for. Because "interoperability" of game assets is a myth. It doesn't exist in reality, it's a fantasy made up by crypto bros who have no clue about game design and the games industry. You can't move gun A from game 1 into game 2 "just like that" with the push of one button as crypto bros would love to make you believe. It's not feasible and also has direct gameplay and yes monetary implications that could totally ruin the balance of games. Imagine if a new game released and everyone already brought everything from other games. That could absolutely destroy everything before it began and would lead to an overall simplification and streamlining of games. I don't want everything to be same-y just because some people can't just move on and enjoy things as they are without attaching some arbitrary price tag to it all.

[@Lenariet]

​@@RePlayQNFTs serve no real purpose. It can be done without them, games like CS:GO, TF2 or Rust are proof. NFTs are a solution looking for a problem. If devs wanted you to be able to sell your stuff to other players they could realize it without any blockchain. There is no benefit to using external platforms as 99,99% of game assets will always only be usable and have only value in the game they were made for. "interoperability" of game assets is a myth. It doesn't exist in reality, it's a fantasy made up by crypto bros who have no clue about game design and the games industry. You can't move gun A from game 1 into game 2 "just like that" with the push of one button. It's not feasible and also has negative gameplay and monetary implications. Imagine if a new game released and everyone already brought everything from other games. That could absolutely destroy everything before it began and would lead to a simplification and streamlining of games. I don't want everything to be same-y just because some people can't enjoy things as they are without attaching some arbitrary price tag to it all.

[@optionalboss3706]

i love that they used the typical scumbag copy paste response "he should've reached out instead of engagement farm" lololol

[@danoid7998]

NFTs instantly turn a 10/10 game into a no buy.

[@DustInTime]

If Half-Life 3 released and had NFTs I would never buy it.

[@lamikal2515]

@@DustInTime so, we can thank Gaben, because it will never release.

[@DustInTime]

@lamikal2515 I've been holding strong for close to two decades and Alyx only strengthened my resolve! It'll be here...one day.

[@lamikal2515]

@@DustInTime I'm sorry, but it wont. Alyx is not really a "game", but more an interactive ad for the Index. Valve as no interest in making games anymore : they can print money with other's. HL3 will never happen unless Valve decides to sell the IP. The sonner people accept it, the better.

[@phoenixmarktwo]

​​@@lamikal2515 Yeah no, stop it with that "Alyx isn't a game" stuff. It's a game. And a good one, judging on the responses of people who actually played it. The only reason it's at all disappointing is because it didn't fully realize the potential of VR. But it's still a really good VR game.

[@MrBrandonplaysdrums]

What’s funny about this whole situation is that I took the community feedback about the game, and a lot of them were great ideas! Stuff like adding new maps, new modes, new weapons, even players theorycrafting new operatives was passed on to the developers. It actually felt like the community was actively trying to make the game better, even though it was radio silence for the vast majority of a year from the developers. Not to mention the time spent on cultivating the community itself. One thing I pride myself is that the community that stuck around until the end were amazing people. They wanted the game to succeed just as much as I and the moderator team wanted the game to succeed. 2 years of hard work, gone in an instant. Replaced by crypto bros who couldn’t care less about the game, and actively wants to replace the community members with their own. I’m just as mad as you are, BigFry, and I hear you. It’s a shame that this game will never get its due to at least try and succeed, but alas, it will end up in a fate worse than death. Thank you again for covering this! I appreciate you! 🙂❤️

[@mightywoll3]

I dont think they ever cared, i played it early on(and also quit early on) but the game was always a confused mess that didnt work together, and feedback always got handwaved away, if im being really uncharitable then i would say that the studio feels like a front for money laundering.

[@D3nn1s]

​@@mightywoll3 thats not true. A lot of the feedback ive given was implemented, some really quickly like the higher glass walls we have now. Indeed progress was rather slow over the last year but the game itself worked quite well to begin with. It has a backstory, nice graphics, great animations etc etc. Its a shame they werent able to keep up the initial hype when launching the alpha, i feel like we could have a full game release at this point, but unfortunately they messed it up. Been a member since we had to sign an NDA so almost from the very beginning. Game came a long way - and stopped dead in its tracks.

[@Adrian-ih3mh]

Delisting from steam, coming to Epic as we know is trash, and adding NFTs means a dead state and maybe shutdown incoming.

[@stepgames7698]

6:05 The "L mods xd" message being instantly deleted is crazy

[@Z4Zuluuu]

The mods power trip so hard in that server it’s genuinely insane

[@Hellfire8]

Hold the fk up, I'm only 3 minutes in but they say they can't migrate from Steam to Epic, this is bullcrap, the Dark and Darker devs literally just introduced account syncing for their community so players can play on EPIC/Steam/Blacksmith and have everything in their accounts.

[@onemorescout]

Their other answers in the Q&A would have made me quit even without NFT nonsense. Bunnyhopping removed because "15% of the playerbase used it." In a game where, at the time, 15% was like 25 people. LOL. They also said SBMM was "turned off for now due to low player numbers," accidentally admitting to having it in the first place after banning the mention of it from their Discord for 2 years. And then the answer about BigFry with the "oh he'll come back around eventually" answer feels like when the BF2042 beta ended and DICE saw all the obvious problems with Specialists as "players not understanding them." This game needs to die as soon as possible. And that's as someone who lamented its low playercount a month ago, especially after NA servers began lacking enough players to start a server.

[@edmondchan3426]

Game was on copium life support, and now NFT is pulling the plug. They have sky high dreams, like fantasy sports, but don't have enough players to even dream of a pro scene. It's crazy delusional.

[@onemorescout]

@@edmondchan3426 Their last few months of updates pushed all the good players off the game and guaranteed there would be nobody left to even make fantasy cards of

[@D3nn1s]

​@@onemorescouthell even their small stream partner ibrahim that had a promocode and everything has stopped playing it. Its truely a shame, it was so fun to play a round of expedition to calm down with friends. So much potention, a creative new vision that hasnt been done before. All down the drain.

[@Pabloesc571]

Sad to see it go, pvp was amazing.

[@Pabloesc571]

I don't even care about what they said and all that bs. Honestly why would you ever care about it? All that matters is gameplay

[@algi1]

Someone didn't get the memo that NFTs are out of fashion.

[@dartz005]

I would argue that they were never in-fashion to begin with. Just a bunch of hype for idiots to throw to a bunch of money at, with no actual payoff.

[@schwarz8614]

@@dartz005 I have never seen companies move as fast with trends as with crypto and NFT's. (Except AI) For a short time you had virtually any company consider implementing it. Not even the artificial hype justified that.

[@NatsumeKonno]

Not for games but you would agree Unlimited popcorn bucket NFT is good? They had that. While American Airline didn't call it NFT they sold a type of NFT with allowed you and a guess to fly for free forever. Still used to this day

[@algi1]

@@NatsumeKonno And if I look these up and turn out to be bullshit, what do I get?

[@NatsumeKonno]

@@algi1 look what up the popcorn thing is real. I don't know if they still honor it. But hey locking in a price that goes up is smart move if you go to the movies all the time. Look at the airline guy. Some flights is so expensive but his ticket allows him to fly anytime he wants along with free food for high end payers.

[@Drigo924]

"Eco system of people who just want to make money and don't care about the game" tbh that sounds like the devs

[@PabloPhreshcobar]

I completely forgot NFTs were a thing, I thought that shit was completely dead when everyone who "owned" one lost all the money they were worth

[@Cheezus]

pushing NFTs in 2024? lol

[@spirit1803]

Fr, some people are still stuck in 2021.

[@EazyTiger]

Hey why did my Dr Disrespect Shatter line rookie card just drop in value

[@edmondchan3426]

Don't know, prob doesn't have to do with the man himself. Have you checked the patch notes?

[@EazyTiger]

@@edmondchan3426 I will never financially recover from this

[@snyperwulffgaming9575]

Pretty sure it was only a minor drop in value.

[@Pabloesc571]

​@@snyperwulffgaming9575just a minor issue wait for the price to climb 💀

[@apocalypsepromotions7676]

I'll pass on this, and wait for Earth 2.. 😂😂

[@prototypechannel6975]

Earth 3!

[@richardcreasey9319]

Honestly, them switching over to an entirely new storefront *SPECIFICALLY* because steam does NOT allow NFTs is such a damning indictment on not just the devs, but also EG itself. Like, imagine some popup burger joint that people seem to really like deciding to up and move to russia or some other shithole because "We want to grow our customer base and also we're not allowed to put human body parts in our food in America."

[@triadwarfare]

Any game that focuses on "revenue" (e.g. NFTs, "revenue sharing") is an instant death flag.

[@roostyrob]

greedy developers being greedy again and then lieing when they are called out, too bad, doa Shatterline.

[@silviocavric2275]

fck all my stuff will be gone

[@overheadcam]

File a legal dispute if you paid for anything

[@misterymisterio8778]

That's truly baffling. They are delusional to think they are actually going to succeed.

[@freakklomp]

i smell a lawsuit as they knew this from the start. without telling the customers, which is illegal in so many ways.

[@Unknown_Genius]

Yup, revoking access is one thing as its usually allowed by how licensing for software goes, but this case is just straight up fraud

[@freakklomp]

@@Unknown_Genius indeed. revoking access i get with licensing and such. but this is just 100% fraud as they promised one thing, knowing they wont ever fulfill it, then turning around and just spit in the players faces and laughing at them. in this case, i hope they get sued into oblivion.

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@freakklomp Surely hope so too, if they get through with that then there's absolutely no point in spending any money on anything aside of subscription services like gamepass as the risk is too high that the single payment for one thing will backfire more often as others take note.

[@freakklomp]

@@Unknown_Genius the customers really need to get together and stand up to whats blatant theft like this. file a dispute with steam, telling them exactly what they are doing and getting a refund on everything to matter what. valve might be willing to work with them because even they know this is against the law.

[@christianwodrich4285]

Played this game a good bit a few years ago. Was fun, shame it's gone down the shitter like this

[@erichiciano8580]

They really think the same formula for a FIFA game will work for this? Jeez they are out of touch.

[@soulwynd]

Are they renaming the game to Shitterline too?

[@D3nn1s]

Shitterlame

[@Baozi888]

Thanks for shedding the light on shady business practices.

[@monkeyguy378]

I love that in the Q&A recording that there's like 4 people asking questions about NFT shit and all are newly joined accounts from their cult NFT Discord. I doubt any of them have ever heard of the game before the NFT project announced that they would buy the game for their "roadmap"

[@TheChrisLouis]

ok so its definitely never coming to console either. Not Sony or Microsoft would allow some NFT nonsense over on console.

[@SquibLT]

oh boy i want to be a professional shatterline player when i grow up and have my very own NFT! 🤮🤮

[@thegamingbayskeletor1637]

Fun fact : even the steam forum moderators are not exactly "helping" the devs, quite the opposite actually Just saw a post that asked if the game was dead, and one of the mods said "it seems so" 💀

[@MrBrandonplaysdrums]

We pretty much have given up hope for this game. A lot of the moderation team left already, leaving a skeleton crew to deal with this. It’s a sad situation all around.

[@Jernik_]

Yeah most of us volunteer mods all stepped down from the team

[@D3nn1s]

​@@Jernik_ i feel super bad for all the volunteer mods that actively interacted with the community and put stuff on the board etc. Rip

[@Ac146_]

at this point in the Gaming space things like this don't even surprise me, half ass non completed games being over priced at release, over hyped games being bad upon release, micro transactions everywhere, Devs openly lying alll the time and NFTs and Crypto this is Gaming in 2024. where did it actually go wrong what happened in taking pride in making not a good game but a great game instead of pumping out shit then blaming the community's when they call it for what it is.

[@zigzagkillah7666]

When demos were replaced with Early Access.... and they could sell you a half baked idea, instead of a completed game with a partial exposure to it. That is when the gaming community started going "Shut up, take my money, make it faster and give me early access to the WIP" ..... the Early Access clause is what killed gaming.

[@Lenariet]

There are still some great indies, hell even AAA like FromSoftware. It's easy to believe everything were bad when many CCs tend to cover only negative stuff for easier clicks. And as far as demos go: I wish they were more normal again too. But I'm fairly sure at least some of them used to be curated, cherry-picked segments if not entirely made up and hardly representitive of the final game. I'm not sure if the demo for BigyFry's game is still on Steam, but considering the game isn't out yet I would understand if not, as you as a dev probably wouldn't want to have outdated demo builds available to the public. Updating them could also drain dev resources better spent elsewhere. I believe these costs vs. utility questions were what made many devs and publishers largely abandon the concept of demos despite our digital age of today being very good at releasing and managing them.

[@collinthewhite]

Its funny how games (in general) always have Monetization work Flawlessly and also have much Innovation to make Monetization become more part of games (still in general)

[@Soliye.]

Lmao I thought everyone knew by now NFTs were never gonna work.

[@depracated]

Never even heard of this game until now... But NFTs they're like 4 years late on that...

[@killingerk]

I recommend people adding it to their steam Library since the agree to the terms they have to keep the game updatedand they can't remove games from your library

[@spacequack5470]

Said nobody with functioning brain cells

[@Hax187]

I work in the gaming/web3 industry and this exact situation is what pisses me off the most as a gamer. 95% of Web3 gaming startups are run by people who are not gamers or have very limited experience in the gaming world. NFTs are just a technology, you can implement an item economy with them and call it a day - similar to what you can do right now with the Steam Inventory Service, it doesn't need to be any fancier than that. The problem is with how poorly these integrations are done and how they force studios to focus more on the NFT component than the game. Game ALWAYS comes first - it's been years since Web3 gaming really began as a concept and most of the people working in this niche still do not get it.

[@jaboba69]

Web3 is for scams

[@sladnam7480]

Feels like a lot of these NFT games are chasing what CSGO did with skins. Like you said these developers don't have a good game to stand on. There is no foundation. They are talking about pro player cards...no one is going to play this game competitively.

[@Hax187]

@@sladnam7480 yup, exactly

[@Nadestraight]

The custom lobbies thing is baffling hahaha, we implemented custom games on dedicated servers in about 2 months to our game LOL

[@TH3ASSASSINzz]

Remember to request them to delete your information through their support email. Don't let them sell your data anymore

[@shtonee7316]

There has to be a lawsuit somewhere for the people who bought things on one platform and won't have access on the other.

[@tgreaux5027]

someone should tell them that even at the height of the NFT craze there was ever only like 180k people just trading nft's back and forth in mass everyday making it look like a thriving microeconomy. They just killed their game! This is amazing, that they believe leaving STEAM is somehow going to bring in new players LOL

[@Taldirok]

They're completely delusional, moving the game to epic to begin with is going to kill the already dead player base left, so what, 5 people play it on epic? but NFT,s on top ? Lol... This game is gone in 6 months if they go with that plan.

[@dixiedad]

It was in the 10s of millions of people, Lot of people overseas were all into it and even to this day its pretty large

[@MoteDaddy]

​@@dixiedadsad

[@dankasaurusrex]

multiple big fry videos regarding shatterline? splendid. Edit: also POG im in bigfry video very cool very nice

[@flying_geck0891]

dankasaurus in bigfry's comments, splendid

[@dankasaurusrex]

@@flying_geck0891 a gecko response to my comment? splendid

[@celtric9023]

I saw mad potential of this game when it came out but they didnt just muder it they straight up skinned it alive and pushed em off a cliff in slow motion.

[@FractalShard]

"Us moving some data our own game generates from one server to another is a pretty tall order, guess youll just have to lose all your things and get them back through our NFT system. So sad, we wish we could do more! Have these useless trinkets as compensation, now drain your wallet." -Ser Reginald Greedmonte (Developer) Damn, It's almost like people who play games are tired of being force fed microtransaction garbage for the past 10 years or something

[@estonia888]

That just sucks man, Who in the right mind decides to bring NFTs into a steam game.

[@jamesmoucheron4799]

It's being moved to the Epic Games store to allow the bullshit NFT'S

[@estonia888]

@@jamesmoucheron4799 I know, i watched the video

[@karmmaroo]

To me an Issue is they lied to the community saying the game was not a NFT/WEB 3 game. I believe a Web 3 or Nft game can work even if it is as something simple as a NFT Version of CS:GO Skins. But Shatterlinr lied to the fans and to their partners and are now deflecting criticism because they know they're in a death spiral

[@estonia888]

@@karmmaroo Yes, they are censoring free speech, I dont know why people put up with shit like this.

[@ForWeAreMany]

i just noticed at 0:49 the shell casings coming out of the gun aren't even struck by the striking pin, so the cartridges never actually fired their payload.

[@Child_of_woe_1994]

so not only is it full of NFTs it also sounds like it's heavily pay to win😂

[@Rageypeep]

They can't make a system to move accounts from Steam to Epic, I don't have any faith that they are able to add Web3 integration well lol

[@pilsplease7561]

Anything that goes to Epic games dies they literally arent profitable for epic or for game studios. Steam just is the place to put games dont like it then dont sell your game, the only other choice is selling on your own website but thats not going to work out very well.

[@IslamistSocialist371]

There is GOG steam sucks because of DRM

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@IslamistSocialist371GOG sucks because they don't really want to give refunds even if the game is solely broken on their platform which is the sole reason why loads of devs sell there. On steam the games are either DRM free as well or only got steam stub DRM (all DRM measures are chosen by the devs, if they got one, they do it because you can refund easily and guaranteed on steam, so they want to prevent people from getting it, refunding it and playing it) - and steam stub drm is easy to remove on purpose, e.g. in case steam should go down at some point without being able to release steam stub properly as last measure. So no, I prefer Steam for the absolute reason that DRM free games are pretty much DRM free regardless - and the space saved for being able to backup the smaller installer instead of larger installed files simply doesn't outweight GOGs drawback of their poor policies.

[@ZeroOne-mp1qe]

@@IslamistSocialist371 the drm that can be bypassed with like 1 file? unless you mean denuvo, that's not steams fault.

[@caleborman9329]

Man, I remember this game at launch...actually had a TON of fun with it...even if servers were pretty laggy. Sad to see how far this project has fallen

[@fanmademunkvideosofficial]

Great video as always bigfry when is your game coming out dude

[@BigfryTV]

Working on it brother! You all know we can't put out something too early!

[@spacequack5470]

​@@BigfryTVYou can if you add NFTs

[@fanmademunkvideosofficial]

@BigfryTV that is very true Just please keep us updated and not lie unlike some devs do And is it going in early access or not ?

[@jakerulesgaming1124]

Imagine drafting any streamer now just to have their stats tanked when they decide to touch a child

[@snyperwulffgaming9575]

The slickest reference to minor issues i've ever read.

[@DreamTerrorist]

This is all so strange. After your initial video on this blew up, there were about 800 players online. I thought sweet, nice to finally have more players.. but then I found out about your video and realized why there were so many players on. Normally it can take me up to 20 minutes to find a game and there's usually only about 80-120 players online. Their game is virtually already "dead" and they want to kill it even more? I just don't get it. I love this game, it's the only FPS I've been playing for months. I've racked up many hours and thousands of kills and it's all gonna go to waste due to greed and ignorance. None of this makes sense to me, and it's a shame that one of my favorite FPS games is going to die. It's such a slap in the face to the small but dedicated group of people that play this game every day.

[@yurikovRUKR762]

You know a game is about to get killed when they announce NFTs, god damn, I love this game now they're killing it

[@Blazs120gl]

Cyrptobros are like salt for the soil. It's an effective way to make sure no one ever touches it again.

[@SpottedHares]

wow NFT and web 3 have been past their 15 minuets of fame for over a year and the developer think..... what both are just days away from becoming the infinite dollar industry?

[@tinypixiebread]

I was one of player they have that played the game a lot, over 200 hours, bought a few microtransaction to support them. Saying this new NFT direction is a disaster choice is merciful to me, this is a shame..

[@TheTrueGrimReaper]

You know I really loved the feel of this game when it first went into testing. The pve game mode sucked me in because it filled a void in the industry and the mechanics and feeling of the game were so smooth and polished. But, after checking back in when they went full EA on steam they dropped a purchasable battle pass.. in early access. That rubbed me the wrong way and I never touched the game again because it seemed like they were just out to make money, and ironically I guess I was right on the dot, and very happy I didn't sink much time in the game. What a waste that would of been. Edit: I'm aware EA free to play game needs to monetize some way, but a fomo battlepass aint it. That and I'm pretty sure they had some big investors to start with so I think they could of held that shit till full FTP release.

[@stephenboling2313]

Yeah this was on discord, it's a show all sign that only 72 people were in attendance

[@DrTurtles-]

hey, I'm one of the die hard players who played the game a ton. I have over 1000 hours in game and I have helped with bugs so much that they gave me a bug reporter role on their discord. I just want to say I'm so betrayed by what they're doing and I hate how the game I loved and played for so long dies so dishonorably.

[@dixiedad]

They must not do any advertisement, i literally have never even heard of this game and i play all games nft and normal.

[@Lenariet]

I saw it being mentioned in the comments on this channel every now and then. I think it's actually on my wishlist because of that (means little though because I throw lot of stuff in there). I guess that word of mouth PR is over now. 😂

[@raKkoon69]

Fry.... I AM SCARED

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

I took a break from Shatterline because I wanted to wait until it grew a little more. I picked up Shatterline because it’s a free-to-play cooperative PvE shooter that wasn’t pay-to-win, which was the biggest tout it had over Warface, the game the devs originally worked on. I was about to redownload this game to see where it was in development. I still held respect and hope for Fraglabs. I hear stuff about NFTs, and it’s gonna be off of Steam, that’s two reasons why I can’t bring myself to play the game anymore. This is heartbreaking.

[@yokorose]

The devs sound so out of touch with what gamers want, no one ask or wants NFT's in games or even wanted NTFS to start wit h

[@BOSS-ks2nz]

I use to play this game 24/7 back when it was first released because I "saw the vision". I joined many discord servers, compteted in community hosted competitions, and even got access to a version of shatterline that had custom servers for the tourneys because one employee worked overtime to create it. There was a paid narrator and everything. The game had so much potential. We (the discord community) kept waiting for more new/fun updates to show up so that we could get more people to participate, but it never happened. Eventually, the shatterline discord servers started revolting. We wanted actual game growth and for fraglabs to implement everthing they had publically talked about, but it never came. Less and less players were playing the game, the tournement hosts were not allowed access to the custom games server which led to the tournements getting shut down (which had the most loyal players to the game at the time). After over 600 hours of playtime in the game, I quit the game. I occasionally revisited in hopes that they would fix the game, but its now been 2 years and nothing has changed since the day that I left the community. It genuinly sucks to see the game fail. I had so much faith.

[@No_Feelings]

I remember playing this and having a ton of fun in season alpha, and a bit of season beta. Gave me black ops 2 vibes. Sad to see how it fell off.

[@molonlabe5090]

Damn, that vibes. Shatterline was pretty dope. If I had good internet, I’d still be playing it

[@Falconsman14]

I wrote this game off a year ago. I had downloaded and played it upon release, ended up uninstalling it to put another game on my pc. A few months later my brother started playing with a friend. I figured Id download it and give it a try. My levels and gear were all reset. If you cant have a system that saves player data so they dont lose it on the chance they dont leave the game installed 100% of the time, you dont deserve a player base. The NFTs are the final nail.

[@rudnhed8djhrhdhdrhhfhf34]

i hate when game company's think its hard to copy and paste stats from a text document from one server to another, its not that hard to define an item in what ever coding language you're using your just using the excuse "developing is hard" as a scape goat to be lazy.

[@stavi017]

Wild. I kept hearing about this game from Fry who seemed really excited at the time, and for Shatterline to change direction in such a manner is crazy to see. It's a bummer and shocking to see!

[@flashpoint5292]

This is how to kill your game 101 right here. Once you move to Epic or do crypto, your game is officially dead

[@kunafox]

Initially, i liked the pve aspects of the game and hoped for more layers to be added that would make the gameplay loop worthwhile. Sadly that idea got dropped when less players were playing it, hard to even get a 3 man squad to play it.

[@OlderThanAverageGamer]

Well, I retract my general consensus.. this definitely looks bad and I don't know how this ends any way other than a fire burning in a trash can.

[@KinxBreadsworth]

oh well, guess my founders moneys went into the ether or sumthin been a good run

[@AlderaansRanger]

😂 I haven’t played Shatterline since June of 2023. It was a lot of fun back then but the servers had a lot of lag for me. Glad I didn’t waste more time on it since this is happening.

[@ChrisTeeGaming]

Love the impressions of the devs answering the qs

[@5hane9ro]

Im building a PC and hoping to play this when it's built, but the NFT crap made me immediately not wanna try. Hopefully, the devs will turn things around, but I refuse to support that crap.

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

Honestly? Go play milsims. Instead of this crap. They provide almost everything you can ask for. A (mostly) helpful community, good games (depending on where you look. Like squad, squad 44, hell let loose, arma reforger and 3, etc etc) and you get to overcome your phobia of talking to others.

[@naruhearts1]

​@@Hinokassaudifan1they are not even remotely similar, hes obviously looking for an arcade shooter, not a milsim. Too many of those these days

[@CorruptOutcast]

@@Hinokassaudifan1 Reading Comprehension 100.

[@5hane9ro]

@HinokasArabfan1 oh I've already gotten some more milsim type games I'm excited about play when I get a new graphics card. But I also like playing more arcade style games (especially with PvE along with their PvP) on top of more tactical experiences

[@jnb_110]

@@5hane9roGlad you replied in a respectful manner, compared to the two bozos before your response.

[@NatsumeKonno]

Just not just release and NFT which allows you to claim any DLC for free maybe not all at once but allows you to get them skins and all.

[@802Garage]

This game looked sweet. I was actually thinking of trying it with my group of friends. Now, absolutely no shot.

[@deathmouth101]

Didnt even know this game existed until like a week ago. Good sign to steer clear

[@oScRuFFiE]

Separate loadout would definitely add SOME additional load, but assuming they coded the game correctly (or atleast not totally incompetently) and the engine has the capabilities, the database SHOULD only need to contain a minimal amount of player data, with most of the presets that people would want being client side and the server would only have to process requests, not move around larger data sets based on player PvE and PvP loadouts. Im no game dev, but im a network/sys admin and thats atleast how i would structure it.

[@aashilr]

I played the game a few months ago with some friends & while it was jank, we had some hope they would turn it around. Especially for the roguelite mode. Now none of my friends & I will bother with this. I don't understand how they could make such an idiotic decision. Oh well, there's tons of other FPS out there so who cares

[@thegreatmammu6797]

I was highly distracted trying to figure out if the reload animations were supposed to be broken or not until I actually saw the reload work a handful of times throughout the video. But yeah hey lets worry about adding NFTs instead of fixing and adding basic things that the game needs

[@deRNmEpRrMm]

The way they're talking around the (often regulated) act of quite literally sports betting is absolutely insane.

[@novelezra]

"no account migration" Im sorry what?! This is so fucking disrespectful. Its sickening.

[@eltatarc]

I went to reddit to check if there were news about the launch and found out all of this. In the Q&A of a month ago they told me we would keep our things (or some) and now we lost everything cuz they decided to move due nft... I really hopes another rougelike fps with good lore pops up again. With no ntf tho. And good founders.

[@dreamwireless8513]

Its weird how the most popular Games are old ones that stick to their formula. Hard for new ones to pop off. The only game i am really excited for this year is Space Marine 2 whos devs seem to be very transparent right now. It is giving that old preorder and go pick up at gamestop midnight release with your homies vibes.

[@Enderking394]

This is very sad, shatterline was one of my favorite fps games and I was sad it never got popular.

[@LayLow12EC]

I remember playing this and thought it had great potential and was actually intriguing. Sad to see it fall this far.