The Shifting Debate Over How College Athletes Should Be Paid | WSJ

[@phillipkaaihue1676]

6:00 am - Conditioning 8:30 a.m. - Breakfast Check In 9:00 am - Class 2:00 pm - Class Finish 3:00 pm - Eat/Film/Team Meeting 4:00 pm - Practice 7:00 p.m. Practice Over 8:00 pm - Dinner 9:00 pm - Study Hall/Film 10:00 pm - Dorm/Room Sounds like a job to me.

[@speedythunder1995]

It is this big corporations are just milking the system to the fullest extent that they don’t care for the athletic programs that the students are enrolled in.

[@19enmu88]

You forgot about the training room before breakfast and after dinner, treat the injuries you nurse all season.

[@thattannerguy856]

At the very least, They should definitely get 100% of any school costs paid. Room, board, food, books, everything. Plus if the NCAA is going to sell Jersey's with their name on them, the athlete should get paid a percentage on every Jersey sold

[@falconJB]

Participating in college sports is helping with fund rising for the schools it is not meant to be a way to make yourself money. People seem to forget that these are schools that happen to use sports to fund education, not pro-sports teams that happen to be at a school.

[@rasaecnai]

@@falconJB fund education??? Sure gigantic stadiums, and jacuzzis for atheletes are totally educational smh

[@falconJB]

@@rasaecnai They bring in millions more than those facilities cost.

[@rasaecnai]

@@falconJB "They bring in millions more" hmmmp it is sounding more and more like a business doesnt it?

[@falconJB]

@@rasaecnai That money goes to running the school, large universities are very expensive to run.

[@customizablebunny]

South Park had the best take on this

[@OnkelTomAngelriper]

*stewwdent atholetes* -Eric Cartman

[@philandeswilliams1975]

They can provide a stipend to help cover basic student expenses; equal at all schools. And they can provide products from sponsors free of charge to student athletes to help defray out of pocket expenses.

[@LoggyWD]

They do. It's called scholarship. It's actually often worth more than the average minor league salary, but not at the NFL or NBA level. You could argue Zion is missing out on 30 million by spending a year in college. Also schools don't make money running sports programs. Football does but track and field, soccer, golf etc don't bring at revenue at all. The money has to come from tuition or government funding.

[@lopez8871]

@@LoggyWD dang you making philandumass sound like a total Id!0t.... "Catch22" if you not a top 100 high school athlete that will get a full paid scholarship and get Paid !!!

[@clips8185]

Schools like UFlorida that are sponsored by Jordan get free shoes and clothes so it happens just not everywhere

[@twiWright25]

If athletes can't become employees, then change the restrictions that prevent them from working.

[@tomjefferson7927]

those that believe a scholarship is adequate payment are delusional about the actual value of a college education.

[@TickleMeElmo55]

Jefferson, you should know better. It's what you put into a formal education that counts the most. Plus, you obviously are oblivious to the benefits that D1 football and basketball players receive outside of paying no tuition and room & board.

[@everythinglakers1713]

@@TickleMeElmo55 those benefits sound great, but the 6-10+ hours they put in for training and a horrible sleep schedule make it basically a full time job in which their not compensated for.

[@kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf3967]

@@TickleMeElmo55 Those benefits dont sound too good compared to the millions colleges and the NCAA earn every year out of these athletes. You should know better.

[@19enmu88]

If you think the NCAA or the schools care about so called student athletes education you're dreaming. Your scholar

[@speedythunder1995]

These big major schools love to throw that around, as if they’re the ones helping students. When clearly they’re just using the athlete for ad Revenue and to make profit, universities will pay for it all and all be shutdown as they should

[@dctrbrass]

I mean, lots of people get full scholarships for school. I was awarded one. But my school wasn't making billions of dollars from my abilities. I didn't expect anything more than the scholarship. If they were making billions from my abilities/hard work/dedication/sacrifice, I would want a LOT more than just the scholarship. And yes, I'd be calling a lawyer.

[@TickleMeElmo55]

Lol no you wouldn't. No one prior to NIL was calling their lawyer and demanding they'd be paid. You act like full scholarships are nothing.

[@markbosky]

by not earning money, college athletes are risking injury and future earning potential. Scholarships as payment for some athletes (not all) is exploitation.

[@FinancialShinanigan]

Tuition isn't enough, should be paid for all school expenses

[@organizedchaos4559]

I mean the NCAA does make a good point, we don't want to change college sports into a system where schools spends millions just to get a single athlete. I do think a stipend of some kind of set income given to all students to cover living expenses would be a fair compensation.

[@LoggyWD]

They already do. Schools spending millions on coaches+coaches act as recruiters = schools spending millions on elite athletes. The only difference is the students don't get a share of the money.

[@LoggyWD]

They already receive scholarships and the revenue does not cover them because most sports unlike football don't bring in money. A further increase in stipend will result in increase in tuition for the average student, which is already very high. The only way is to pay elite athletes their fair share because they are the reason people willing to pay for tickets.

[@speedythunder1995]

They pay coaches millions of dollars, just to bring in the number 1 player of any sports to the school. They uses the student just to make profit off of them.

[@kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf3967]

Yeah they are ok earning billions a year but student athletes making 6 figures? Thats a freaking travesty, immoral in every stretch of the word.

[@donemigholzjr.7344]

There should be no scholarships for student Athletes. Football and Basketball, ectra. should be treated as school electives. If the schools are going to pay the players then the team should have nothing to do with the school. Maybe have the team be "Supported" or the team is financed by the school but to say that they are students playing a game and they are paid is an affront to students. Many students could play sports but they value their education more and would never have the time or stamina to practice, train, condition and travel let alone play in games.

[@msi8311]

Sports have everything to do with school. These universities make more money from sports than doctoral research grants. I cannot tell you how profitable sports are, it’s part of entertainment, not many people are as entertained by physics or engineering sorry to say.

[@donemigholzjr.7344]

@@msi8311 It should change. The school teams are not getting properly compensated for semipro players being groomed to play in professional sports. The teams should be sponsored by the school or backed by the school but in no way should it be part of the school. If the players, coaches, fans want to cheer for professional sports then so be it but to have professional teams act as a college team is unethical, unmoral and points to corruption. Just make the teams semiprofessional and be done with it. People are convicted of getting their kids into collage unethicality. They should be students first NOT rich, or athletic.

[@candyapu3]

And people wonder why everyone opts to go to the G League

[@dondp7500]

You think Everyone opts to go to the G league ? 😂😂 So most of the players in this draft class will come from G league ?

[@falconJB]

If you are only at the school to play basketball then you don't belong there and you should drop out and go to the G League, that is where you belong.

[@arielleung3917]

04:39 Don't worry. Low-profile sports are just rich kids' coverup to get in elite univ

[@iubball410]

They should only let them sharecrop with extraordinary land rental fees. And we should make laws to systematically oppress them that aren’t on their face discriminatory.

[@lstealth]

Pay them something, some of them go starving, not fair if they sell out stadiums and get no cut from the sales.

[@Marcmadness99]

I want to see there's a documentary student Athlete. that's on KZbin unseen documentary where Arian Foster almost was considering going to rob someone after he did not have no food in the refrigerator he gotten help from his coach.

[@rodneythompson9251]

What about smaller colleges and universities? This is opening a can of worms.

[@PortalOfKaden]

There needs to be a salary cap.

[@wraynephew6838]

@@PortalOfKaden why paid athletes at all if they are already receiving a free education. Why make things more unfair for all the other students who have to work hard and deal with Thousands of dollars in Student loans debt.

[@Dustinwhy8]

Just let them make money off their likeness & accept endorsements. Problem solved.

[@1bcordell]

Problem created. It will soon be all about the money and not getting an education.

[@silasj1090]

@@1bcordell they wasn't in the first place they would be in the gym

[@behrensf84]

There’s an easy way to force change. When last two teams get to the title match. Just refuse to play until they pay.

[@falconJB]

If they do then a guess they would be agreeing to pay for their own education.

[@ashervirin9698]

Its really crazy that the athletes aren't allowed to get paid when people are turning up to their games in the thousands like its the NBA, and they have to work their arses off training like they are professionals pretty much

[@jasonj5292]

Student athletes should not be paid from the colleges but they should be able to make money off their likeness and other stuff

[@PortalOfKaden]

Why should they not be paid, could you explain?

[@JediOfTheRepublic]

@@PortalOfKaden They should be paid, minimum wage just like every other student. While these players are now making millions, Grad Students working 40+ hours only getting paid for 20 are being taken advantage. I don't see you advocating for that.

[@PortalOfKaden]

@@JediOfTheRepublic its stupid but they are paid based on value created

[@PortalOfKaden]

@@JediOfTheRepublic grad students may be underpaid but they dont produce the millions that players do

[@genaholshouser7148]

They are being paid.the cost of college for four years

[@Ben-outdoors]

They should at least get some sort of spending stipend along with paid tuition, housing, books, and food.

[@Ben-outdoors]

@trvp visuals not every athlete. Maybe your starting 5 on a basketball team.

[@wraynephew6838]

Paying Athletes will ruin college sports. Some schools have a significant advantage with recruiting talented players. Now if money is involved in the equation it will ruin the competitiveness of College sports. The smaller schools cannot afford the to pay the top athletes. Also you have to look at the principle of the entire matter. How is it fair that Athletes get paid, receive a free education while the rest of the student body has paid for their education?

[@traviswilliams8096]

Yes they do, if the coaches can make millions than so can the players

[@snoop3383]

Simple. Because regular students generating a billion dollars. Life isn’t supposed to be fair buddy

[@snoop3383]

Are*

[@wraynephew6838]

@@snoop3383 you are right life is not fair. So College Athletes need to live with that fact. They are already getting a free education while others are not. So they need to deal with it.

[@vickyzesu]

you have a point

[@savagecub]

How come nobody complains about the NBA not being diverse ???

[@savagecub]

@@dataunreadable2437 So that makes my observation irrelevant ?

[@savagecub]

@@dataunreadable2437 Yes, of course - specifically I am referring to a balance of white players.

[@savagecub]

@@dataunreadable2437 You are correct in your assessment of “Forced” diversity for the sake of diversity. Why doesn’t the professional athletics world LOWER their standards to create the illusion of diversity just as in the corporate world ? As to your question of numbers I would like the ratio to reflect that of the current U. S. population.

[@savagecub]

@@dataunreadable2437 United Airlines

[@savagecub]

@@dataunreadable2437 Why are you having such a difficult time understanding this ? African Americans make up roughly 13% of the population with caucasians making up 76%. Diversity seeks to represent the underlying population. Do the math- is that what you see when you look at an NBA team ?

[@arunwaran]

PAY THEM

[@bd0821]

The whole reason I want(ed) to watch college sports was because they weren't getting paid and were playing because they enjoyed the college experience, once they start getting paid, I'll just tune in on Sundays and open up my Saturdays again for getting outside. I guess if they're good enough they'll show up on Sunday's and Monday's.

[@J4RMAMS]

The coaches make millions and the schools do too. The ones putting their limbs on the line and actually put on the show. Get zilch! Not fair and not free market.

[@crashweaverda]

If there getting a free ride they got there pay.

[@tomjefferson7927]

*they're and *their ftfy

[@auro1986]

they can be paid by letting them spend more time in libraries and laboratories than in football fields and basketball courts

[@svss777]

Modern day slavery

[@falconJB]

Yes it was very common for slave owners to provide a free 4 year education to each of their slaves.

[@coolbuddyshivam]

@@falconJB It's like slave owner providing a piece of iron ore mined by slave.

[@falconJB]

@@coolbuddyshivam Last I checked slaves where not paid in iron or anything else of value that, and being unable to leave, is what makes them slaves. These are just brats getting a free ride, extra facilities and tutoring and still crying that its not good enough they still want more.

[@coolbuddyshivam]

@@falconJB First of all, they are adults. Secondly, they allow NCAA to earn billions. Thirdly, they could very well be well off getting paid in monetary terms than scholarships. Scholarship amounts are pennies considering what they would get in cash. Fourthly, scholarship comes with strings attached that makes them incapable of making a proper living out of their fame. Fifth, money earned by them goes into scholarships of rich people's kids. Lastly, I could very well argue they(slaves) were paid in something of value otherwise how else would they remain alive for more than 7 days. It's because they didn't have freedom like these players and were paid very insignificant compared to services they delivered, they were called Slaves.

[@falconJB]

@@coolbuddyshivam They are free to play for pay on a pro team if they don't like the deal they are offered, they choose to play for a school, a place you go to learn so their pay is in education. If they value that education so little then they should not be there.

[@quinncole8122]

They need to get paid

[@thiagomoreno8761]

I was with them until they played the racism card.

[@ohmyblindman]

Want to get paid? Quit and join the NBA, or the NFL. You are in college, get a degree.

[@brunodosreis]

Right, but why are colleges commercializing their students’ extracurricular sports activities? They should invest in developing academic talent.

[@falconJB]

@@brunodosreis Because the money the sports bring in fund the schools.

[@cy_young_9104]

If they want to get paid, then take away scholarships.

[@commondude9881]

So the debate has not shifted. Reminiscent of the minimum wage "debate"...lots of conversations, yet it remain fixed. 🐸 Might I add that if $7.50 per hour is the gross minimum wage, then after taxes, the net is actually $4.00 per hour. I'm jus' sayin.

[@mariacheebandidos7183]

athlete + competitive games + college name = value. how much is college sport with to the tv channels without any of these 3 components? how much is an athlete worth without association with the college or NCAA? how about, make the minor leagues a more prominent place for athletes / people who want to get paid or make money from there image and stuff. and make the college games a true student sports where there's absolutely no/zero/nada, ... question about students getting paid. because if college games become a paid-to-play system, it'll probable more likely crash the whole system, than satisfy the unsatisfied. and will certainly lose the "collegeness" (an integral part of the charm/brand) of it all 5:00 you've got to be careful about bringing "color" into every argument.

[@zarlashtwelfarefoundation4756]

Fast

[@pctellez1206]

Modern slavery

[@weightstation4971]

Minimum wage should be paid to everyone involved. Fair no

[@markbrockman9859]

Biggest lie I ever heard was going to bed hungry when all their meals are provided. We won’t even talk about how they afford all the tats and manage to pay rent for off campus apartments etc.

[@markbrockman9859]

If they are being paid, they should pay their own tuition.