The Shocking Reason He Was Banned From Marriage

In 2008, a Catholic bishop denied a young man and his fiance from getting married. This delves into the theology of the body, and the Catholic moral belief of the sacrament of matrimony. I am curious how other Christian churches or groups like Protestants would recognize this, but it makes for an interesting discussion about natural theology and Canon law.

[@IronInquisitor]

There's a lot of confusion and misunderstanding in the comments. Marriage is a sacred sacrament that includes the physical union between spouses, which is seen as both an expression of love and an openness to procreation. It’s akin to a partnership where all elements must be present to form the complete bond-just as a plant needs both water and sunlight to grow. Such a relationship could promote temptation to 'excite' or stimulate each other, without ending in the marital act, as it is biologically impossible. If they vow to remain celibate, I assume they could get a Josephite marriage.

[@TheRealPhilippePetain]

Dude it's not that deep. God never says anywhere you gotta have no disabilities to get married.

[@pmcshow44]

​@@TheRealPhilippePetain We usually focus on the "Eunuchs by choice" Jesus mentions in Matthew as people choosing a celibate life for the sake of God, and that such people should not marry. But in the same sentence he also mentions people born eunuchs or made eunuchs by someone else, in both cases, these should also be exempt from marriage.

[@DonatistDestroyer]

Mary and Joseph never consummated their marriage

[@Negus-v7g]

@@DonatistDestroyerprove it

[@DonatistDestroyer]

@Negus-v7g well if you're catholic then you have to believe that mary remained a virgin

[@dylanthomasoboyle9426]

Being paralysed doesnt mean you cant have a physical relationship

[@OscarNathanael12]

He was missing all his man parts.

[@dylanthomasoboyle9426]

@OscarNathanael12 you have to be more clear there's a difference between missing the bodily functions and being paralysised people who are paralysised can have inanimate relationships and the impression I got is you got them both intermingled. My apologies but I'm paralysised and can have perfectly good martial relationship

[@xra_yt8358]

@@dylanthomasoboyle9426No like he was missing his genitalia from an accident, like it literally was not there.

[@Arcticroberto9376]

​@@dylanthomasoboyle9426the guy ain't got the wiener, he can't do the wiener waltz with his proposed wife. He can't get married

[@jd3jefferson556]

@OscarNathanael12 this ruling got overturned and they were allowed a Sacramental marriage

[@BoughtByYHWH]

What about Mary and Joseph? They never engaged in sexual intercourse, yet they’re literally the “Holy Family”

[@mariasoniamoreno3433]

They had the equipment. Enough said.

[@BoughtByYHWH]

@ Bruh. It doesn’t even matter, it never got used

[@josephjansen6452]

​@BoughtByYHWH you question is specifically answered in the short and the above comment

[@mariasoniamoreno3433]

@ Because the Holy Spirit helped them stay faithful to their vow of celibacy. They had GOD to raise, so that probably was enough excitement.

[@BoughtByYHWH]

@@josephjansen6452 But it WAS NEVER USED. They might as well not have had them at all, it wouldn’t have made any difference whatsoever

[@Willown890]

As a Catholic i don't agree with that.

[@MrKhiWilliams]

Then you are a heretic, maybe look into Protestantism in that case. (I don’t disagree with you, but…you disagree with your own faith and I’m trying to highlight the….not okay nature of that)

[@cathalhendron3941]

That's actually heartbreaking. God could miraculously restore him hypothetically just like can make the infertile fertile surely ? God bless that poor man.

[@Satix099]

You can only pray

[@anne.ominous]

Yes, but thankfully God is the one who joins couples in marriage, so a denial by Rome is not authoritative to disqualify them.

[@Satix099]

​@@anne.ominous So basically you can not get a normal marriage since you can not get children sadly, but there is the josephite Marriage which is a mareisce in which wife and husband are celibate and promise not to have children, in this case the couple could get an approved Josephite Marriage which is the same thing since he can not get children anyways.

[@anne.ominous]

@Satix099 I respect that this is your belief. However I disagree with everything you are saying. I don’t believe it’s a biblical stance at all, to deny people marriage for being impotent. In fact I would venture to say it verges on sin (1 Tim 4:3)

[@TheRecapitulaitionist]

@@anne.ominous What is marriage? We must consider the Biblical reasoning for why Marriage was made: "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply" (Gen. 1:27-28). "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24). So the fundamental reason for marriage twofold: to multiply and to be one flesh. If one cannot pursue these two ends, one cannot get married, but necessity of them not being able to do these acts. An example would be that, unless one has been given the Grace of God, they cannot be saved. So thus before someone could be considered 'saved', they must have the Grace of God. In the same sense, before someone could be married, they first need the faculties to make the two ends of marriage possible. Just as two men cannot be married foundationally because they are impotent to conceive or be one flesh, neither then can those who are impotent of differing sex get married.

[@shinyanovikov2502]

Actually you cannot become a priest if you don't have hands. As a priest uses it to bless things and give sacraments.

[@michaeldulman5487]

Fr. Noe from Rwanda has no hands and was ordained. It is possible.

[@Arcticroberto9376]

​@@michaeldulman5487did he lose his hands before or after he was ordained?

[@hongtamnguyen7294]

@@Arcticroberto9376 Retirement

[@daanjans2616]

This is what happens when you start to make up your own moral laws

[@deedeedum1]

Marriage is first and foremost, a union to create life; To be a Co-creator, by God's grace. It's very biblical, just because it is not explicitly stated.

[@alexisruiz8244]

Marriage is to mimic the relationship between the father and son. The same applies to our relationship with God. If an enuch is able to have a relationship with God, then your implications of necessitating the physical ability to have sex is extra biblical.

[@jd3jefferson556]

@deedeedum1 First and foremost marriage is to get each other to Heaven in your vocation and be open to all life from your union. Besides, it sounds like they were allowed to have a Sacramental marriage in the end.

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

The opposite actually. This is what happens when you actually practice consistency in the moral laws

[@tylerlesnick1736]

Which is what Catholicism has been doing for 1000 years now

[@mawia4713]

One reason why I am not a Catholic. Marriage is to be in front of God and Him as a witness, Equipment or not

[@Madman-2023]

They are trying to avoid a "divorce", the woman might want to have children in the future. Which in the Church these could be vaild reasons for an annulment

[@gg-sr9lq]

I follow God, so I’m not going to follow His Church, makes perfect sense

[@MrLoonytoon1024]

​@@gg-sr9lq buddy not everyone thinks the church is God's church lol there were like 3 wars over this until we all decided to agree to disagree

[@tylerlesnick1736]

@@gg-sr9lq Even if it originally had its roots from the apostles, and you can argue that with a lot of the older churches like orthodox. The Catholic Church is much more stemmed in tradition today. If something things the church has strayed from gods teachings then they may feel that they should go with something more aligned with god.

[@heleh9889]

If you are not catholic is because you don't know at all about it

[@NathanAEnver]

Umm, excluding or differentiate people based on their disability that is coming from god's fate, is actually crazy, I'm re-thinking about joining catholic church, maybe learn protestantism now, as this matter is very important to me.

[@MyNeighborKaworu]

I'd recommend you still give a thorough reading to the church's reasoning in this before just throwing it away. This is most definitely not a case of superficial discrimination, I can assure you that. Read both sides of the story and then make up your mind. This is just a simple short trying to explain a very delicate subject that deserves more patience to be able to be understood properly.

[@montetude_tripple2706]

Might I suggest looking into the Eastern Orthodox church, If you don't want to be catholic. Protestants while I respect them, practice a very watered down version of the faith and believe many heresies. I myself became Orthodox due to a disagreement with the papalcy.

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

@@montetude_tripple2706”some” Protestants believe in heresies. There isn’t one umbrella group called “Protestant”.

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

I would recommend either the Orthodox Church or independent Baptist churches. There is no support for the office of pope, as it’s a man made position, and the Catholic Church invented many different dogma that don’t align with what Christ taught, and incorrectly claim that “Christ established the Catholic Church”, which is verifiably false.

[@onetowardslove]

That doesn’t seem right. “Theology of the body” just gets way too weird and overly complicated, and this seems like a prime example of that. And it isn’t even authoritative teaching at that. Just marry them, God is going to understand

[@SethEdwards-hq9pm]

Actually, that's always been the authoritative teaching long predating Theology of the Body. It's called consumating the marriage because it makes it complete and valid.

[@onetowardslove]

⁠@@SethEdwards-hq9pm So then Joseph and Mary had an invalid marriage? Like what are we even talking about here lol

[@Chadlifter]

​@@onetowardsloveno. St Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary didn't consumate their marriage by choice. A paraplegic cannot consumate their marriage at all.

[@mariemunzar6474]

​@@onetowardsloveyou don't actually have to consummate the marriage for it to be valid. But, you do have to have the physical ability to have sex going into it.

[@zachkent2575]

​@@mariemunzar6474 then what is the act of consummation

[@josephjansen6452]

If i am not mistaken you cannot be a priest if you cannot hold the Eucharist. I believe St. Issac of the canadian martyrs had to get a special dispensation after loosing some of fingers.

[@Bill-ic3nu]

Jesus Christ told us in Matthew 19:12, "Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven." This verse reveals from our Lord the mental, physical, and spiritual reasons for a marriage not being valid. Both the man and woman must be ready (spiritually), willing (mentally), and able (physically) to be married.

[@joeloudon629]

@@Bill-ic3nu what translation is this? When I look up the verse it says that some are made Eunuchs and doesn't use the word marriage

[@anne.ominous]

@@joeloudon629 It’s a Catholic version.

[@TheSageSpartan]

Bro that is not what that verse says

[@winduprose]

💯 Regardless of the translation and regardless of one's denomination, the meaning of the verse does apply. If anyone wants another translation and a full context of the passage, it was on Our Lord's teaching on marriage prohibiting divorce and He goes on further to explain those who are called to marriage and those who are not: "The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this precept, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.” Matthew 19:10-12

[@anne.ominous]

@@winduprose Someone desiring marriage (like the man in the video) would not seem to have been called to remain unmarried. The verse you are citing is not addressing a forbiddance to marry.

[@brengriff8839]

Hhhmmmm so according to Jesus, you can commit murder with a thought, so cant you consummate a marriage with a thought ? Is this another “work your way to heaven issue”. So if his penis is not working, no sacrament for him &/her. If God brought them together , who is man ( priest/church) to tell you different.

[@ghiblikami5329]

The whole point of marriage is to procreate. So it kinda makes sense although I feel really really bad for the man. I hope he and his fiance find a way to serve the Lord in other ways.

[@joshuagarber3576]

Isn’t the whole point of marriage to join together and love God more fully? Not just to procreate but to love God through the union of two lives

[@ghiblikami5329]

@joshuagarber3576 I'm not a theology expert but as far as I know marriage is meant for the lovers, a man and a woman, to consummate their love and beget God loving children to populate the world. But without the necessary biological tools, it could only lead to 'unlawful acts' which are not pleasing to the eyes of the Lord. Sex would only become a means for sense gratification alone rather than for its real intended purpose, i.e. procreation. It's a sacrament like any other Sacrament and it requires the necessary tools and instruments for it to work properly. You can't receive the Eucharist without the Body of Christ, can you?? God bless.

[@jd3jefferson556]

So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@Satix099]

​@@joshuagarber3576both but the bible says in Matthew about who can marry who

[@jesusbrito5165]

​@@joshuagarber3576you are not catholic right? I can't phantom a catholic disagreeing with the idea that the only point of marriage is procreation. That's why it exists at all on a doctrinal sense. What you are talking about sounds more like taking the other sacrament, you know, holy orders.

[@Larry_the_Snowman]

Honestly I am ashamed of that Bishop, what he did was not God's will. No wonder we got the reformation... We're a bunch of idiots!

[@EinsamPibroch278]

While I think requiring Men of the Cloth to be Able-Bodied is totally Based, I also think it's utter rubbish that the couple's Marriage was denied. I mean, so what if their Marriage is entirely platonic rather than physical due to injury? They love each other and are virtuous. There is nothing abominable about it (unlike certain other relations...). This ableism is just yet another reason people are leaving the Church.

[@JoshuaSandoval-s9r]

The most unbiblical thing I ever heard the kingdom of god is in the heart

[@SonsofAugustine]

Matthew 19:12

[@uptop3711]

Chaff

[@vanhosss7037]

Andddd again, this is nowhere in a bible.

[@anne.ominous]

One of the main divergences of Catholicism from other types of Christianity is that they don’t believe doctrine needs to be based on scripture

[@Smeowtime]

@@anne.ominousmainly because scripture is based on doctrine

[@Arcticroberto9376]

This comment is below a comment quoting Matthew 19:12

[@anne.ominous]

@@Arcticroberto9376 Matthew 19:12 says nothing about forbidding people from marrying

[@adamandrejcio648]

Bible gives authority as to who can and can't marry. Fathers and daughters, sons and mothers, brother and sisters.

[@wtfschindler]

Ah, the obsession with minutia that is Catholicism. Loving Christ takes a back seat to the beloved paganism.

[@MyNeighborKaworu]

This has everything to do with loving Christ, since we are the only ones that still protect his instituted sacrament has he wanted, regardless of baseless accusations like relationship with paganism

[@juanpablonoguera6876]

Yeah this sounds really stupid

[@TomasTomi30]

Hard sayings but true. However if God had chosen him to survive the accident even without certain parts of his body: God certainly has a plan for him other than marriage.

[@Ginger_Guy]

That’s actually sick someone needs to fix that canon law

[@IronInquisitor]

I think it's to avoid temptation, because if they got married, but the equipment is not there, they might resort to activities that are stimulating but do not lead to the procreative act, because it is impossible.

[@Ginger_Guy]

@ yeah I can understand that, just poor guy, lost his freedom do stuff by himself AND can’t get married, my heart breaks for the guy

[@EllietheCatholic]

@@IronInquisitorbut what about Mary and Joseph? They never consummated and if they had (because God had willed it) would it not have been a sin?????

[@jz1528]

@@EllietheCatholic interesting point 🧐

[@IronInquisitor]

@@EllietheCatholic Mary was consecrated beforehand, so it's an apples to oranges comparison. They never went into the marriage expecting to participate in the marital act. If this couple agreed to remain celibate, I don't see why they couldn't get a Josephite marriage either. In this case, they were seeking a normal one.

[@jonathanhunt5687]

This, along within many other reasons, is why I'm not Catholic. The legalism is disgusting.

[@AdrianaMontemayor7]

GOD BLESS HIS ONE AND ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH ✝️

[@NiccoloGiuliano3]

That’s something I’ve never heard before.

[@billyg898]

It's not commonly known but it makes perfect sense. The only sexual acts this couple could perform are morally illicit ones, and all the love and care they can do for each other doesn't require marriage. So, why get married?

[@JoshVA79]

This is one reason I'm gladly protestant.This would never hold up to scripture alone.

[@Grizzly_Bear2018]

Scripture alone doesn’t hold up to scripture alone buddy

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

@@Grizzly_Bear2018right, because to heck with what God directly said. Let’s listen to a man in a hat

[@luxordfaith8506]

Not pointing fingers or anything, but does that mean Mary never maried Joseph?

[@SupermiluthVideosChannel]

I think their marriage it’s called a natural marriage. But not a sacrament per se. Fr. Mike in Ascencion talks about their marriage in depth

[@josephjansen6452]

They had the necessary parts as stated in the short

[@billyg898]

No, because Mary and Joseph still COULD consummate the marriage, even if they didn't. This is a matter of this man literally being incapable of doing so.

[@luxordfaith8506]

@billyg898 could you do me a huge favor and read the Matthew, chapter 1, verse 25.

[@billyg898]

@ And that is relevant how? As I said, this is regarding being INCAPABLE of have sex, not simply refusing to have sex. Edit: Oh, are you claiming that this verse implies they had sex after Christ's birth. Yea...it's not saying that. It's merely confirming that the prophecy mentioned in verse 23 was fulfilled. Christ didn't just have to be a virgin conception, but also a virgin birth. They couldn't have sex prior to birth, or else the prophecy wasn't fulfilled, and this is simply confirming that that was the case. "until" here, "heos" in the Greek, as is the case in numerous other parts of scripture, including just in Matthew, doesn't mean there was a change after. The same word is used in: Matthew 13:33 - was the leaven taken out of the flour afterward? Of course not. Matthew 14:22 - this doesn't mean they turned the boat around after Jesus dismissed the crowd. These are just from Matthew alone, but there are many examples in scripture.

[@shepherddog1199]

Poor lad. Could he not have a Josephite marriage?

[@alexthornhill6448]

This doesn’t make sense. A post-menopausal woman should not be able to be married according to this logic. This was an awful decision by this priest.

[@krater2137]

she is still able to engage in the marital act. and that wasn’t really the bishop’s decision, as far as I’m aware, he was not making the Canon Law.

[@billyg898]

No. Menopausal women can still have sex. The point is not being able to have sex.

[@jd3jefferson556]

So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@JHH1027]

It’s not the priest’s decision but Catholic teaching. The priest only followed the teaching of his religion which he is bound to do.

[@TheRecapitulaitionist]

No. A post-menopausal woman is not impotent, but infertile. They still have the faculties to consummate the Marital Act, and while she's reliably unable to conceive in act, she still has the potential to, albeit not without a preternatural act from God.

[@spencermarkham1]

I am a Catholic and have tried to be as devout as I can but I can’t help but notice that nothing seems to have made the Catholic Church sound so (excuse my language) bullshitty than on sexuality! If sex is for procreation as the church claims then why is NFP ok but birth control isn’t? NFP is non-procreative sex is it not? If procreation is so important why are priests celibate? Shouldn’t they lead by example and marry? Priests were at one time able to marry but couldn’t be able to have sex with their wives (a tradition carried over from the Old Testament Jewish priesthood which was itself a term limited gig) and because of that sought sex elsewhere (we are sexual beings after all, priests aren’t immune from it) and one big avenue was homosexual acts that culminated in the 11th century when Peter Damian wrote an expose on such. It forced the Church to resolve the sex scandal by making the priests celibate except for the pope and wasn’t forced to be celibate til the Council of Trent! Now married priests are making a small slow comeback through dispensations of married converts who were non-catholic clerics and pastors. How is it fair for cradle catholic priests to be celibate when entering into the priesthood but not married pastors who converted becoming priests? Also how are gay couples an impediment to procreation as if they’re keeping straights from procreating? Then the solution to gays is be celibate (not procreating) or lie to themselves and to the opposite sex by marrying the opposite sex creating misery for them both? How is masturbation exactly impeding procreation when it’s a coping mechanism for dealing with the pandemic of loneliness (the real impediment of marriage and procreation) which the church and the laity refuses to help despite having the social infrastructure to help alleviate it? Speaking of loneliness, how in the literal Hell do we have a pandemic of loneliness when there are 8 billion people on this planet today, around 350 million people here in the U.S. (probably 400 million if you count illegals)? Sounds like maybe we need to slow down the population if there’s a loneliness pandemic with so many people on this planet today!

[@IronInquisitor]

You have some great questions, I wrote this down for a future video.

[@Christ-my-king]

I honestly feel you on that 100 percent

[@Christ-my-king]

@@IronInquisitor hi iron inquisitor, I like your videos and wanted you to make a video about why or why not the deuterocanonical/apocryphal books are cannon. And why books like Enoch were deemed non cannon when it’s quoted in the New Testament. Thanks

[@baselius662]

I can understand your frustration, but ita seems your frustration is also compounded by ignorance. There is no obligation to have children if you are not married! There is no moral obligation for anyone to become married. Those who are celibate don't live diminished lives just because they don't engage in the marital act and don't procreate. Now on the question, what is sex? What is the purpose of it? The Catholic church teaches that sex is for the union of the spouses in love and the procreation of children. Is you take away, the union, the love, or procreation then it's a sinful act. So what is NFP not wrong them? Here is the big difference. There are periods in the woman's cycle that she fertile and when she is not. It's not that you make sex sterile it's that you abstain from sex when the woman is infertile. You are not trying to distort or change your nature, in that period it's natural for the wife to be infertile. With contraception you deliberately manipulative your nature to make the marital act infertile. One is passive (I am infertile), the other is active (I will make myself infertile). There's is the difference.

[@MrLoonytoon1024]

Yeah same man, allowing NFP completely undermines the idea that contraception is inherently evil. They're both "frustrating the purpose of the marital act". But one involves latex or pills and the other involves meticulously tracking menstruation cycles so somehow the second one is better? Just admit that contraception is fine or say NFP is bad too, this halfway house nonsense is stupid

[@camerapasteurize7215]

A priest does not decide how marriage works. God does. Nowhere in the Bible does it say this is the case, and yet the Catholic Church teaches it like gospel. Same with Mary remaining a virgin her entire life despite Jesus having siblings in the Bible. Same with intercession by dead saints, which appears nowhere in the Bible and is disturbingly close to praying to someone other than God Himself, especially when it's to Mary. Same with the claims of Purgatory, which is shown nowhere in the Bible at all, and in fact, the Bible only describes two places for a soul after death: Sheol (where all sinners' souls are now) and the lake of fire (the final destination for sinners in the End Times on Judgement Day), and Paradise (Also called Heaven colloquially, where the souls of the faithful reside in paradise with God until such day as He resurrects them for life in the new Heaven and Earth).

[@Zeebopbudoobop]

God totally intended this. Bravo Romanites.

[@uptop3711]

“Romanites” lol, thank you for making it easy to know you aren’t a serious person. For the record, did Christ give you the keys to the kingdom with the ability to bind and loose on Earth as in Heaven? No? Didn’t think so.

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

@@uptop3711he didn’t give them to Rome either. In fact, Rome crucified and hated him 😂

[@uptop3711]

@@TheArbiterOfTruth refer to previous comment about unserious people. I cannot for the life of me think of why a person would think what you just said was worth saying. It is completely devoid of any value.

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

@@uptop3711 it isn’t devoid of any value. Christ did not give the keys to the kingdom to Rome.

[@uptop3711]

@@TheArbiterOfTruth yes, it is devoid of any value. what you’re doing is known as the fallacy of equivocation. the original comment “Romanites” as stand ins for Catholics and then you’re using “Rome” in reference to the Roman Empire that was instrumental in killing Christ. Christ did give Peter the keys to the kingdom and did institute the Church on earth that carries on through to today in the Catholic Church. That you were either unaware of your egregious error in logic or deceptive in trying to pass it off as legitimate indicates to me that this interaction has run its course.

[@ACk-vu6ik]

Who said the people that SA Kids in Residential Schools are the deciders of marrige?

[@sneak9407]

The very girl/boy own fathers SA their own children. Who said biological fathers can vert who their child should date? Doctors negligence that have lead to thousands of millions of death. Who said we should allow doctors have the last say in how our surgeries go? Romantic partners cheat on one and other more times than i can court. Who said we should put our trust in romantic partners more than random people? Your logical reasoning for discrediting reverend fathers is frightening. It's literally their job, just because you've had 1/30 bad eggs doesn't make you stop eating eggs. Instead you learnt how to check for signs of bad eggs and avoid it, or not mix it in the batch of good eggs you're about mix up for use.

[@Bandito-Dorito]

The comments on your channels videos are always indicative of low intelligence, have you noticed that? It’s a blatant reflection of the quality of work you provide and also your mind space. If you truly seek God, be more honest with yourself. Do you seek God or comfort in structure?

[@jesussaves6625]

The "marital act" is in fact what makes it a marriage. If they are not going to consummate the marriage then they are not actually married but only companions and friends.

[@MrLoonytoon1024]

So Mary and Joseph were never married lol

[@jerryappleton6855]

Incorrect. That was never even Jewish Law. Consummation as the validating act of marriage was a Pagan tradition that entered society and incorrectly influenced many Medieval scholars and bishops. The Church has always taught the Sacrament of Marriage is what makes it valid. And the 2 person entering it (for it to be valid) muet be: 1) Baptism and confirmed 2) Promise and intend to raise the other and all children in the Faith 3) Promise and intend to rebuke and guide the other in the Faith 4) Be sexually exclusive to the other 5) Intend to have unprotected sex with the other with the hope of procreation If they INTEND to have sex ans consumate it at the ceremony, it is valid. But if they then follow 1 Corinthians 7 and Mary and Joseph, and agree to celibacy to better serve God's will, it is good ans doesn't unbind what God has bound.

[@liamgriffin8850]

kinda makes sense tho lowkey

[@mattdenise8867]

Not low-key. It's obvious why this is law. Pray for the brother to find favor from God. Unfortunate situation with the brother and his fiance. Crazy how many people say " this is wrong and not fair" what's fair? Be grateful for breath brothers and sisters. We all are too privileged. I can't believe how privileged I am sometimes. Makes me want to keep minimizing things in my life. I don't go out don't have social media don't carry a phone in 30 yrs old I'm the opposite of majority of people my age so I have no friends outside of church, but I'm still very grateful for breath and opportunity to glorify the Triune God. Blessed mother Mary pray for us. May all the saints pray for us

[@jd3jefferson556]

So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@mariafromgermany]

So, if he had that accident after the marriage, he would have to get divorced? Obviously not. And it would also be fine if a couple who has the equipment was to choose not to do it, so why is it not okay for them to choose not to do it? If you don't do it, you don't need the equipment. This seems very illogical.

[@mayannsteinbeisser5228]

To avoid marriage of convenience in cases of unimpaired individuals.. God’s design for marriage is for it to be fruitful…to bring about new life because he wants to share his life with as many people as he can. If couples do not want to exercise that ability, it’s viewed as a direct opposition to God’s will…a rebellion.

[@uptop3711]

You provide zero logical errors, holes, or fallacies and then claim the Church’s position is illogical, why?

[@markleflamme3188]

@@mayannsteinbeisser5228 They we’re engaged to be married already, do you think Jesus, loving and faithful, would actually encourage the two to break that oath to be wed just because they wouldn’t be able to reproduce? What an abhorrent thought, abandoning your fiancé after a horrible wreck just because they wouldn’t be able to reproduce normally. Abraham was elderly and yet through only a miracle was allowed to conceive, you wouldn’t grant them the same hope?

[@mayannsteinbeisser5228]

@@markleflamme3188 breaking an engagement is much preferable to breaking a marriage due to barrenness or burden of taking care of a quadriplegic. These things have been known to cause marital breakups. Abraham and Sarah didn’t know that she would have a problem conceiving so their case is different from the couple in question.

[@nowelalalalala]

Makes complete sense. A harsh truth, is still a truth.

[@jd3jefferson556]

So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@Yesterdayswednesday]

How does this make sense? Catholics are INSANE

[@EL-w7l]

This is why a protestant because marriage is for being one flesh as said in genesis chapter 2, verse 24

[@jerryappleton6855]

To all those saying "But Mary and Joseph never consummated!" 1) They had the ability and intent. 2) Having the ability and intent is enough. So when they got married, it was valid. The doesn't validate the marriage: the ability and intent to does. 3) They had a child (the reason for marriage) without sex so they didn't need to have sex to fulfil their marriage vows and duties (to be 1-spirited parents to a child following God's will). 4) They then both consented to celibacy due to service to God. This took their marriage to a HIGHER level. Being celibate because your body is physically unable isn't a sacrifice and service. And this fits perfectly with 1 Corinthians 7. St Paul states marriage is for sex and having children. But if both, desiring to serve God more highly, consent and agree to celibacy, it is a great thing also. But if even 1 spouse wants sex, the other must consent.

[@duckhuntdynasty6562]

Hearing things like this, I really think we need to separate holy matrimony the sacrament from marriage.

[@Howie242-d8r]

This is exactly what strays people away from the church. I understand the reasoning, but you cannot convince that most other married Catholics are not committing the sexual immorality you discussed in your comment. I don’t believe it’s our job to deny someone marriage for this. Any normal couple can also commit the sin of sexual immorality, and yet they get married all the time

[@kathyalex778]

I know this is going to sound disrespectful, but realistically how can a paraplegic man be a good husband? Maybe if he got robotic arms and legs. Someone with no arms and legs needs to be taken care of 24/7. She would just be his full time caretaker. I can understand if this happens after you get married, but before getting married???

[@anne.ominous]

@@kathyalex778Is it unfathomable to you that someone could fall in love with a disabled person and love them so much that they wanted to spend the rest of their life with them, even if it meant lots of extra work?

[@The_Empowered_Q]

@@kathyalex778 At this point just shut up. You truly suck as a human being and a Christian. One day you and your leaders will answer to God for ur wrong belief and teachings

[@STAMATT125]

I'll never agree dully with Catholicism.

[@iem123]

And this is one of the reasons I’m not Catholic. Jesus condemned making up weird unbiblical rules but that’s exactly what this is

[@gloriamacias2180]

That is frustrating. Marriage is also about love.

[@billyg898]

But it's not ONLY about love. You can love someone without getting married, so why get married?

[@caylarabdk8389]

no, marriage is a promise to God

[@jd3jefferson556]

​@billyg898 So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@Satix099]

Just get a Josephite marriage problem solved

[@christiang4497]

Sincere question here: What happens if a married man has a similar accident in his first year of marriage? Does the marriage become void because he can't create children with his wife?

[@jaqian]

No because it happened after the fact. The marriage was already valid

[@Jonathanx10001]

Wow, the Orthodox viewpoint is so much different than this. I encourage you guys to look into it.

[@johngalt9181]

Thank God for the Real Orthodox Catholic Church. ☦️

[@BlueeJ]

does the Bible say anything about this?

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

Catholics care less about scripture (which is ironic because they canonized it) and more about what their pope says.

[@kasperribera4574]

What kind of a god would deny someone to be a bishop because of missing arms, god is good and the most forgiving of all

[@jd3jefferson556]

Being a Bishop isn't about that individual, it's about serving the people. If you can't hold up the Eucharist, how do you offer the sacrifice for the people?

[@kathyalex778]

Certain career/vocational positions in life require you to have arms…I’d be curious though if having prosthetic or robotic arms would allow you though

[@cathalhendron3941]

I don't think so ​@@kathyalex778

[@kasperribera4574]

@@jd3jefferson556 god knows all my thoughts pure and unpure god knows the best thing ive done, the worst thing ive done and everything inbetween. God knows i love god, i dont need some guy to put his hands over me or dip me in the "holy water" if god didnt want me saved me he wouldnt have done it

[@RedRoosterRoman]

"the ability to conceive isn't a hard requirement" There is a pun here... 👀😂

[@jonathanearley7411]

Interesting how far the Catholic Church has gotten people to believe that their traditions will save them. The Bible actually talks about how there will be false teachers and prophets saying men should not marry. That's the Catholic church!! The Bible says that you should not call another man your father, for the one true Father is in Heaven. The Catholic church has so many people tricked, and it's not good. Salvation is a gift from God, not something you can earn from doing works or sacraments. How many apostles used a Rosary to pray? How many were sprinkled as babies for baptism? How many confesses their sins to priests? The answer is none. We are saved through faith, understanding that Jesus died for our sins. Nothing we do is good enough to save us. Please read the Bible. It's literally there.

[@stallioncuts5454]

That bishop is wrong and that law is wrong. Mary never had sex with joseph according to the catholics and the Orthodox and they were still married. You guys say that "they still had the necessary parts" but they never used them so it wouldn't have mattered if they had them or not. Are we not as Christians called to focus more on the spiritual and less on the flesh! And for a priest who didnt have hands to not be ordained would he ridiculous because it is not the hand that can bless or ordain but the spirit that works through the hand that gives the hand the power to ordain or bless. The holy spirit could work through a hand a stump a forehead or a foot and to focus on such carnal things is ridiculous. This is the type of nonsense that leads people into schism.

[@Tyreece-d3o]

​@@JeremyMartin-s1fexactly these people think they're above gods ways I pray for them

[@joshuagarber3576]

@@JeremyMartin-s1fthe Bible itself says that Mary and Joseph were married yet Catholics believe Mary and Joseph never had sex yet were still married in the eyes of God. So the Bible says marriage without sex is still a marriage

[@baselius662]

​@joshuagarber3576 yes, the couple could try to get married and have a vow of celibacy.

[@EH-sp3wk]

I’m just curious but why do you wear the Byzantine cross?

[@gemmachaplin3117]

Because he regularly goes to a Byzantine Rite Catholic Church. Any Roman Catholic can go to a Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy.

[@EH-sp3wk]

@ Thank you for the reply. However, what is a Byzantine Rite Catholic Church?

[@gemmachaplin3117]

@@EH-sp3wk The Byzantine Catholic Church is part of 23 different eastern rites of the Catholic Church. These Eastern rites are in full communion with the Pope in Rome. The Byzantine Catholic Rite was originally part of the Eastern Orthodox Church. But after The Great Schism Of 1054 it came in communion with Rome.

[@upgradedgamer2]

​@@EH-sp3wk Google is your friend but to be quick, it's basically Eastern Orthodox churches that are in communion with the Pope.

[@Mr.Scar_Real]

I mean sure but that’s kind of a dick move on the Bishop’s part. Most Bishops would gladly approve it because there’s no real difference between infertility and impotence.

[@Sderror404]

Could you show me a church father that supports papal supremacy or papal infallibility? Im having hard time finding one

[@jd3jefferson556]

Iraneus. And basically all the Church fathers pointed to Rome as having authority. Pope Agothos letter at the 7th EC promised the Holy See will never lose the Faith.

[@retro-orthodox]

In my experience, there’s a lot of reading the Vatican 1 language back into the Fathers. It’s like how Protestants see the phrase “faith alone” and get super excited to the point of not being able to critically think whether it means what they have loaded that expression to mean. It is true the Fathers speak most highly of the pope - but that does not equal a Vatican 1 super bishop with infallibility. And nearly everything those same Fathers say of the pope you can find them saying of other patriarchs.

[@jd3jefferson556]

@retro-orthodox if the Faith will never leave the Holy See because of Jesus's prayers to Peter that he personally will never fail. That is how the fathers saw it, like in Pope Agothos letter. This implies that the Pope will never teach to the universal Church anything that is contrary to established doctrine/dogma as the Spirit will always protect the teaching office of the Pope not to ever harm the faithful. Also, proof is in the pudding, the Pope multiple times both in the 1920s and 60s to overturn the teachings on artificial contraception, yet the Pope always upheld the established doctrine everytime. If Pope Francis tomorrow made a papal encyclical which reversed this decision and allowed for artificial contraception then that would disprove the Catholic Church and Vatican 1, but that will never happen.

[@Sderror404]

After reading your comment I decided to read "against heresies" 3:2 (I'm assuming this is what you were referring to?) Then I read orthodox commentaries and decided to re-read it and what I think is that since Rome was the capitol of the Roman empire and Apostolic tradition was preserved there St. Irenaeus views the church of Rome as having a greater honor (notice how he talks about Apostolic tradition at the beginning and end of the passage)

[@YorkieBoris]

Another weird Catholic cult tradition

[@uptop3711]

You know nothing of which you speak. You delight in spreading vile insults towards the Church which do nothing but reveal your ignorance of Her. For this, you will surely be required to give an account. Repent and believe the Gospel.

[@uiDende]

Look at all these fellas giving their own opinion when they think they know better than a validly ordained bishop. You think the bishop didn’t think about it and he’s just an evil guy or something?

[@The_Empowered_Q]

Worst than evil, a good man doing nothing in the face of evil.

[@TheSageSpartan]

So bishops are always right? Look at you blindly following I’m Catholic but I would always look for another opinion

[@uiDende]

@@TheSageSpartan blindly following? They have the authority to bind and loose and we don’t. They were validly ordained by archbishops using the laying of hands. I wasn’t validly ordained so I indeed would follow someone with more authority. Even if they make a decision you don’t agree with doesn’t make that authority lesser.

[@OscarNathanael12]

I know! Everyone in the comments is pretending they know better than the Law of the Church and griping against the Bishop.

[@LeSpeederus]

@OscarNathanael12 If it is an actual law, it's a stupid law

[@DajjalDeciver]

I see the bishop is logical in his decision if the marriage can't be consumed they were practically best friends in peace tragically the bishop has correct point and it depends on the two friends if one sacrifice and free the other or they both take responsibility if they want to be martyr in that what ever is peaceful for both of them hope he recover in a miracle and make it stand walking again ❤

[@jordanbass9167]

Remember cotholic priests are forbidden from getting married, but the bible is clear about marriage. If anyone tells you not to marry it is not from God.

[@shadypotato750]

So he’s denied from physical intimacy of the one he loves simply because he doesn’t have junk? I’m a Christian who holds early church doctrine and I think that’s baloney. Yes that physical intimacy is saved for marriage but love is not only show through the physical but in every way of life. That’s like saying if one person is dying of cancer they can’t get married because they wouldn’t have time to consummate

[@scottishbananaclan]

I'm so glad I'm anglican

[@constantlypondering]

Man sounds like a lot of works to me

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

I consider such a law to be an error that diminishes the significance of marriage. The primary goals of marriage are love and salvation. The couple canonized by John Paul II lived without sexual intercourse for many years of their lives. In his encyclical, the Pope wrote that it is through spiritual communion that spouses can become one body after the resurrection. Wherever great saints wrote about the eternal nature of marriage, they emphasized that pure love modeled on the love of Christ, devoid of the pursuit of sexual pleasure, is the ideal of Christian marriage. Sexual intercourse is a secondary goal of marriage and does not determine it. The example of Mary and Joseph who did not have sexual intercourse was given here, and were they a bad marriage? I believe that this provision of canon law should be changed as soon as possible.

[@marinamcbean8532]

Catholic bishop is spot on in this instance, and as all couples they would get to a point where they would want to have children and the only way the wife would be able to conceive is via IVF, with another mans sperm, unless they chose to adopt.

[@MrCandyPants]

That injury also robbed the man of his "passion" to need the act as well. Meaning, he would be better off not getting married as per scripture

[@anne.ominous]

Scripture does not say that being impotent means you are better off not getting married. There is much more to marriage than sex.

[@anne.ominous]

Would this marriage ban also apply to couples who possess the- ahem- equipment, but cannot use it? I know a couple where the man has a health condition such that he cannot participate in acts that strain the heart (as intimate acts do). Would Catholics say that marriage is “illegitimate,” since relations are off the table?

[@jacksandee7870]

I’m currently going through ocia right now and this is actually ridiculous. I don’t believe in sola scriptura but what I know of Christ in the Bible I don’t think he would prohibit this marriage. To me this seems to be taking legalism to the extreme much like the pharisees did.

[@OmaelPenaloza]

Honestly imma go to Jesus to figure this out.

[@JuanMartinez_Dur]

Where in the bible does it say you can't get married if you're impotent

[@StrawhandSam]

I see how that works, it's sad, but the couple should be able to provide for each other, if only the woman can provide that makes an unfair balance. Whereas sterile people can still get married, they can still provide and such. I disagree with the Bishop's ruling, but I can understand the point of view, the man will never be able to take care of the family properly, thus making the wife and future children in a dilemma. Marriage isn't solely about love, it's about living together, marrying someone who cannot physically help themself is difficult, but no one ever said love was easy.

[@Hhhhhhttredvnhiuedgyjjh]

As someone who follows Jesus I find this stupid ,let god out of people's stupidity ,god doesn't care and there are people with disabilities having better relationships than thousands of others that I know who are perfectly healthy. people are just making up a religion

[@Samson2323]

The purpose of sex for Christians is to bear fruit. It's not just spicing things up in a relationship or making your partner feel love that's it.

[@thebakedpotato6125]

Weird, I never saw that in the bible.

[@Theresa-gz8gq]

Hey, we got rules. If you don't like them, don't let those big wooden doors hit you on the way out.

[@needacharger3054]

Catholicism is so hell bent(bad word choice) on the traditions for the faith. Not allowing a man and their girlfriend to be wed because of this accident. And you said if you don’t have 2 arms you won’t be able to be ordained by a bishop. Ya see how do they just grow new limbs? So they’re just hard stuck at not being able to be ordained?

[@dr.faraday6447]

Did this really come from the mouth of our God?

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

I don't think so.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

Why get married if you can not have children? That is the purpose of marriage. If the wish to live together in a quasi-monastic relationship they can get the blessing of a bishop to do so.

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

If having children was the purpose of marriage, impotent people could not enter into it either. The purpose of marriage is love and salvation. I believe that these people should have the right to enter into marriage. Besides, the bishop probably could have given them a dispensation.

[@anne.ominous]

Children are not the purpose of marriage (though they are often a blessed fruit resulting from it). What was the primary reason God made Eve for Adam? Was it so she could produce heirs for him? No. It was because God saw that it was not good for the man to be alone. Committed, loving, lifelong companionship. That’s the root of marriage.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

@@anne.ominous It was to go forth and multiply. They are perfectly able to have committed longing lifelong companionship without being married. I doubt any bishop would say they can not cohabit given the fact that he is a eunach. But they seem more interested in the title of being married rather than the sacrament which the Catholic Church is pretty clear that is mainly (even only) for procreation.

[@natebryars732]

@@anne.ominousI’m 100% certain Adam couldn’t create life if Eve was never created. Why wouldn’t God just create a twin of Adam so that he wouldn’t be alone? Oh because they’d never reproduce

[@anne.ominous]

@@natebryars732Yes, as I said reproduction is a common and blessed fruit (result) of marriage- but it’s not the root (cause) of marriage. The primary reason Eve was created was to solve the problem that it was not good for man to be alone. Adam said she was made “to be with me” (3:12).

[@samsmith4902]

Don’t mean this to be rude but this sounds very pharisaical.

[@jd3jefferson556]

So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@guioaca7]

idk...all due respect but bishop seems acting like a pharisee, strict on the law over actual expression of love...idk help me jesus 🙏🏽

[@jd3jefferson556]

So Mary and Joseph couldn't get married? Mary had a vow of virginity. This is actually stupid, and goes against our whole Religion because we claim Mary's perpetual virginity. All this does, is open the door for Protestants to dunk on Catholics, as this decision flies in the face of Joseph and Mary's, which was never consummated

[@Harrison_SamsonCertified]

A valid marriage includes 5 aspects: -Loving -Heterosexual -Monogamous -Two bodies becoming one flesh -Non incestuous

[@TITANUP8605]

Consent

[@Harrison_SamsonCertified]

@TITANUP8605 That was already included in love. The love must be mutual in order for it to be genuine, and there cannot be genuine love it is only one sided.

[@TITANUP8605]

@ 👍🏻

[@joeloudon629]

That's lowkey dumb

[@FeaFullKnight]

Prolly something made by man and not made by god (I could be wrong)

[@seanfernandolopez9139]

It is lowkey dumb if you view marriage as a romancr movie

[@cathalhendron3941]

​@@seanfernandolopez9139 either way it's sad

[@hazelsweenz]

as a catholic, this doesn't make any sense.

[@cath0licism]

It does make sense. God wouldnt have made these requirments if they werent needed.

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

I agree, it makes no sense and is inconsistent with the spirit of our faith.

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

​@cath0licismGod did not establish these requirements and they can be changed.

[@cath0licism]

@@julianzakrzewski8980 Are you denying that the Sacrament of Marriage was made accesible to us by God? The Church doesnt have authority to change what God established, no one has.

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

@cath0licism Of course, the sacrament of marriage, like every sacrament, was established by God. However, it was the Church that established the requirement that in order to be able to enter into marriage, one must be capable of sexual intercourse. Canon law is not a source of revelation or a dogmatic statement and is subject to change. Matters of marriage have been changed throughout history. I, citing the authority of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, believe that sexual intercourse is not a primary or necessary purpose/element of marriage and the inability to have sexual intercourse does not prevent a person from entering into it.

[@upgradedgamer2]

Does anyone know what Eastern Orthodox would do in this situation?

[@michaelbaltezore747]

I would recommend that my brother in Christ read about what Jesus had to say to the Pharisees.

[@Emma02008]

Ya this is not biblical whatsoever

[@Tylerstrodtman]

Would it be wrong for a bishop or priest to refuse marriage to a couple who are of typical age to conceive but they KNOW they are unable for one reasons or another? Hypothetically, what if the man had testicular cancer and was unable to produce children, or though woman had Severe endometriosis that prevented implantation of a fertilized egg? What if a couple who was unable to have children was planning to adopt a whole bunch of children?

[@LandonTucker1]

How does this make any sense?

[@baselius662]

Marriage is for the union of the spouses, physically in thr marital act, and emotionally through love. They can't have sex. Thus they can't get married.

[@Somtejesstudios]

​@baselius662 Is marriage only about sex? Also, who says they can't have sex?

[@michaeltoney2277]

Thank you for reminding us of yet another reason religion is nonsense

[@MedicalMilitaryDoctors]

Soooo he's a wrong

[@MaceyTheQueen]

So I had a transplant, I can have children just not carry them. Does that mean I can’t marry ? I just don’t believe someone seeking Jesus with all their heart if they have something they can’t control they can’t marry 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@kallyb1998]

If this is not one good reason alone to explain why so many fled the cathloic church & came to America to practice following Jesus the way *they* believed im doing so. I respect my fellow sister & brothers, its Catholism's culture i have a problem with. No man can forgive another man of their sins, that alone is reserved for the Father. Why do people pray to Saints, they're not divine and cant answer prayers. Thats only reserved for God & Jesus. In my view, the catholics took the teaching of Jesus of forgiving one another too far with the confessional booth. The catholics saw God favor Mary, Peter, Paul, etc, but what made that concept okay for the followers to pray to other followers of God? Im sure if they saw people get down on their knees, bow their head and start their prayer with "Saint mary I ask of you""" " she would immediatly stop you from praying to her & tell you only pray to God. Just as Paul stopped people from getting on their knees & told them "Do not worship me, but God."

[@epr8974]

That's the problem when you're applying rules for a nomadic bronze age civilization to a modem society. They simply don't apply anymore.

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

Heartless rules

[@dursty3226]

this seems very pharisaical, making up strange laws that don't line up with God's word. he's got plenty of body parts left enough to consummate the marriage. and not being allowed to be a priest of you're missing hands? absurd. "laying on of hands" isn't that literal. if you don't have hands, lay on your arms. if you don't have arms, lay on your forehead. smh

[@RixongileShibambu]

So if he is denied the sacrament of marriage. Does it mean he will never have an official marriage all his marriages will be not recognised by the church or by the heavenly host?

[@julianzakrzewski8980]

Maybe they can get a dispensation. Maybe all they have left is to hope for a change in canon law. It's a difficult matter, but surely such harm caused by the Church will be an extraordinary merit in God's sight.

[@bugsybaguio2843]

One of the valid grounds for Catholic 'annulment' is if you were married in church but was not consummated. Example was an American soldier. He married his fiance before leaving for Iraq. Then he found out the wife got pregnant. His petition for annulment was readily approved because he was able to prove that it was not consumated. Sex did not happen bec right after the wedding, he had to go for deployment. So the answer to your question is yes. He will never be able to fulfill/consumate the marital vows.

[@RixongileShibambu]

@@bugsybaguio2843 This is very sad. I wish there was something they could do

[@Twenty_twin_twin]

Dang as a prot, I’m with the Catholics on this one and I’m the only one LOL!!!

[@Twenty_twin_twin]

@ Catholics seem pretty liberal based on these comments. II made the point very clear, and while yes they can still get married elsewhere, if that is the doctrine you have to respect it. And I think the priest was really doing her a kindness if the man has no potential for intimacy. Sorry, iykyk.

[@zSwS]

I mean, it makes sense. Doesnt make it any less heartbreaking for them. God obviously has something else planned for them, should they remain humble and concede to the ruling made.

[@duckhuntdynasty6562]

Wait, so Enuchs could never get married?

[@Sven-c6q]

Well that’s two more people leaving the church.