The Shroud of Turin real or not? Barrie Schwortz's 2nd to last interview, by Rabbi David Vazquez.

[@ferrantepallas]

What a magnificent presentation by Barrie Schwortz -- I can't praise his work and dedication highly enough.

[@pmajudge]

OUTSTANDING !!! PROFOUND PRESENTATION.💯💯✝✝. 💐💐💐🌹🌹🌹⛪. From, U.K. (2024).

[@RabbiDavidVazquez]

Awesome interview!

[@williamstravelvan]

The most detailed talk i have ever watched laying out the science on the shroud. Well done Sir!

[@patriciaking410]

Todah rabah Barrie; Yeshúa loves you. Shalom alichem to you all at CBEP 💌

[@loriyoung9747]

It is authentic ❤

[@ltkreg]

This may have been Barry's last interview before his death. RIP Mr. Schwortz.

[@Mi-bi6ez]

We Catholics have always believed in its truth and acknowledged it as the burial cloth of Christ-this is called faith.

[@chowlissy]

Wonderful presentation, thank you both very much.

[@congregationbethemanuelphi9128]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@anda1anda2]

I just found this clip after watching a clip about "the latest news", and deciding that Barrie Schwortz had already discussed many of the points in his much earlier talks. He had his schtick, and if you heard one of his talks, you would hear many of the same jokes and lines in almost any other speech/ BUT as he said - they were the science of their time based conclusions. In looking for Barrie's latest talks on KZbin I also just learned of his passing. A special advocate of the shroud's scientific authenticity - may nis memory be a blessing!

[@1212matt]

Thank you so very much for sharing , I really enjoyed your presentation.

[@jeffi854]

I’m an old born again Christian man now who remembers seeing the Shroud of Turin for the very first time ever , but even though I were a child I always believed in Yeshua / Jesus Christ. Seeing the Shroud brought tears to my eyes because, in my mind I knew what I was directly looking at was an image of my Messiah resurrected body ! And following the decades of all the of the studies of the Shroud only reenforced something I already knew and believed with all my heart. What’s mind blowing is there’s no chromosomes from the father and only from the mother found on the Shroud. Meaning Yeshua had no earthly father.

[@dingorex]

RIP Barrie

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Isn't it odd that no one had any complaints until the resulting date was published? We have all these supposed experts & not one of the said "Don't take the sample from there." 🙂

[@beverlyhurd8556]

No one knew that it was repaired and/or damaged section of the cloth at the time. Pretty simple answer.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

@@beverlyhurd8556 It's "no one knew" not 'new'. New is what you'd call the shroud in Medieval times. Honestly I don't know why I even bother, smh.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@johnmichaelson9173 Well please excuse me for my simple spelling error. Very mature of you to point it out. Not. Honestly, I have no clue what possesses people like you to want to make fools of themselves all the time. Self hate? smh

[@johnmichaelson9173]

@@beverlyhurd8556 You've been insulting me for months!! Here's one you sent me from over a month ago "Do to have trouble understanding things? Are you even an adult? It seems that you are not" so don't be playing the poor Christian woman. You've been rude & condescending from the get go.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

@@beverlyhurd8556 Here's the start of another rude comment you sent me "Those of us with even a tiny bit of intelligence know" yada yada yada.

[@jacobisrael-lk8lp]

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SEE THE SHROUD.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

The actual founder of the Baha'i Faith was Abdu'l-Baha who wrote that Jesus never actually perfomed real miracles and that his resurrection was nothing more than that his disciples regained their composure three days after his death by crucifixion. Here are the words that Abdu'l-Baha wrote: (Pages 118-119 of SOME ANSWERED QUESTIONS by Abdu'l-Baha) "We explain, therefore, the meaning of Christ's resurrection in the following way: After the martyrdom of Christ, the Apostles wre perplexed and dismayed. . .. After three days the Apostles became firm and steadfast, arose to aid the cause of Christ, . . . and endeavoured to serve him. . . . "Such is the meaning of the resurrection of Christ. . ." Is it any wonder that the Baha'i apologists do not like the Holy Shroud and its miraculous images which prove that Jesus' resurrection was exactly as the Holy Gospels describe it?

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

The Baha'i theologians do not like the Shroud of Turin because it proves that Jesus' body vanished from the inside of a sealed tomb and that Jesus worked miracles. That is why we see Baha'i apologists attacking the authenticity of the Holy Shroud. For a religion that purports to respect other religions, the Baha'i Faith ought to be ashamed of calling this marvelous gift from Jesus a "fake." It seems that Baha'i apologists want to replace Jesus with their own prophet, Baha'u'llah, but that holy man would never have approved of these spurious attacks on the Shroud. This particular apologist doesn't even understand the Word that Baha'u'llah mandated for all who join the Baha'i Faith: "Blessed is the one who acknowledges God and His wonders, and who confesses that He is not to be questioned about what He does." In the Holy Shroud God has created this proof of Jesus' existence as a first century person who worked miracles and who was executed by crucifixion. Maybe if our Baha'i apologist paid some attention to the Word that the founder of his religion mandated, he would be less inclined to disrespect the Holy Shroud.

[@JeanSmith-sz4uu]

💐💐💐💐💐 The Bible says the original shroud was not in ONE piece as in the case of the shroud of Turin. This is why the shroud of Turin is fake: “Peter and the other disciple started out for the tomb. They were both running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he didn’t go in. Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus’ head was folded up and lying apart from the other wrappings.” (John 20:3-7) Also, as a member of the Baha’i Faith, and based on the biblical narrative and rational reasoning, we have to accept that the resurrection of Jesus or any of the prophets or individuals within the biblical narrative that they are spiritual and not physical resurrections even when literal words are used. Here are the biblical reasoning behind what is being said: Jesus called himself “the resurrection” even before he was crucified: Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die”. (John 11:25 NIV) This is Jesus himself speaking, so it was the belief in him and his teachings that accounted as true resurrection and not the crucifixion and belief in the reanimation of the physical body. Belief in him and his words revived those who were spiritually dead and brought them forth from their tomb of ignorance. This is all spiritual and not a physical phenomenon. What does the Bible teach about the physical body and resurrection? It says: “Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications”… (Hebrew 5:7 KJV) Therefore, the Bible teaches that Jesus had flesh or a physical body during his life on earth but that there came a time when he was no longer in possession of a physical body (he was a Spirit/Soul) . Read the whole chapter so you can see the whole content. What else does the Bible teach about physical body or flesh? Apostle Paul himself stated: “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption“. (1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV) Therefore, no physical body which is a perishable biological entity can have any association or entrance into the Kingdom of God. After all, the Bible teaches that: “God is a Spirit” (John 4:24 KJV) and not a physical body, and that the Word which is Christ himself had existed as a Spirit (a nonphysical entity) long before even the creation of what we call earth. The Bible teaches that all that Jesus taught 2000 years ago were all revealed by the Father. Jesus made sure to tell Simon that flesh and blood are not important in this equation--not even his: “Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.” (Matthew 16:17 NIV) Everything Jesus Christ taught and spoke, about his flesh and body had a spiritual meaning and cannot be taken literally even though Jesus Christ was using “literal words” (check the Greek lexicon) related to “flesh and blood”: “Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” (John 6:53-58 NIV) Those who took him “literally”, later on they were accused of being cannibals. Read the history and this will become clear to you. Therefore, much of the language that Jesus used must be viewed and interpreted allegorical or symbolic. Jesus taught that it is the spirit that matters and not the flesh. The body has no importance: “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life.” (John 6:63 NIV) People had a very hard time understanding the symbolic and allegorical language that Jesus used--this frustrated Jesus often and said: “Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.” (John 8:43 NIV) The phrase, “unable to hear” that Jesus Christ uses is obviously not a literal physical hearing but the inability to hear his words with spiritual hearing. Consider this that if people 2000 years ago had a hard time understanding Jesus Christ, there is no wonder why there are over 43,000 conflicting sects within Christianity. This should humble all Christians. What else can we learn from the topic of resurrection and spiritual truths? Well, Mary Magdalene couldn’t recognize Jesus after the resurrection: “At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?” Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.” (John 20:14-15 NIV) If this was a “literal”, glorified, bodily resurrection of Jesus, why did he appear like the gardener and was not recognized by Mary? Apparently Jesus did not look glorified, he just looked like someone else--not a shining angel, but like the gardener. We also read that the Lord Jesus Christ appeared quite differently to apostle Paul: About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ “ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.” (Acts 9:4 KJV) Others who were with Paul did not see anything. A physical body is not invisible. Everyone should be able to see it. Moreover, physical bodies cannot go through doors and walls either, but yet, Jesus appears into a room with the disciples when all doors were locked: “A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” (John 20:26 NIV) So, what is my point? The point is Jesus Christ can do whatever he wishes. He can dematerialize from one place and materialize in another place. He can appear as a flash of light from heaven to one person, or as a gardener to another, and he can even eat a piece of fish right in front of you to prove he can do anything. Therefore, we are not questioning what Christ can or cannot do, however, when it comes to the physical resurrection, all the stories we read about his appearances, do not indicate the essential characteristics of the physical body of Jesus Christ as the flesh that he had before his crucifixion, and the Bible in numerous verses makes this very clear. More importantly, if we believe that Jesus Christ has been great eternally in the past without a physical body and long before he was even born, then, he was not in need of a physical body after his crucifixion either, just as Moses and Elijah didn’t need physical bodies either, when they both had appeared to Jesus Christ on Mount Tabor and then vanished from the sight. Why should anyone assume that after Jesus Christ’s physical birth from the womb of Mary, he had, forever, trapped his true eternal reality in some physical body whether it is assumed to be a regular body or some so called glorified body? To insist on this, is tantamount to limiting Jesus Christ to our earthly limitations. The Bible makes it clear that the resurrection of Jesus has much deeper spiritual meanings and should never be interpreted as a literal physical event. Please note that stating that Christ’s resurrection was a spiritual event and not a physical one, doesn’t mean Jesus Christ was incapable of the supernatural powers--it is that Jesus didn’t need any form of a physical body, and that his greatness transcends beyond any connection with the physical reality. Moreover, in numerous passages, the body of Christ has been interpreted to be the body of the believers or the church itself, and therefore, the resurrection is a spiritual reality which demonstrates the spiritual triumph of the cause of Christ, symbolized as a “body” which is none other than the body of the believers rising to promulgate his cause (the body) fearlessly: “And the church is his body”… (Ephesians 1:23 NLT) …”and build up the church, the body of Christ.” (Ephesians 4:12 NLT) “Christ is also the head of the church, which is his body.“ (Colossians 1:18 MLT) “And we are members of his body.” (Ephesians 5:30 NLT) “All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it.“ (1 Corinthians 12:27 NLT) Resurrection of all the manifestations of God are spiritual in nature and not physical or material. I have studied the Bible and continue to study it. “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.….” (John 6:63 NIV)

[@Beverly-b8r]

WE GET IT HES A SOMEBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sarahpayne2361]

I’ll pray for you

[@lind104]

Why are the jews involved, they denounced that jesus was the son of god, even after he was crucified and tremendous storms hit the city and the temple fell, they will not accept jesus.

[@congregationbethemanuelphi9128]

Shalom my friend! There are a great number of Jews as myself, that have accepted Yeshua (Jesus) as their Messiah. Those of us, who know the truth must spread the word! Blessings to you my friend, in Yeshua's Mighty Name Name!

[@Havanawoodscigars]

@@congregationbethemanuelphi9128 hallelujah

[@gliderjet1379]

​@@congregationbethemanuelphi9128 nice Christlike reply. Until I saw you're response I was going to inform this person that you are Messianic Jewish believers.

[@sarahpayne2361]

@@congregationbethemanuelphi9128 Yes , God promised his chosen people salvation and God never breaks his promises

[@Rosiedelaroux]

Hilarious

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Yes, those who cannot accept scientific discoveries are hilarous. See: :The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.

[@sarahpayne2361]

I’ll pray you

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Yet the Carbon Dating hasn't been discarded & it's still the official date of the shroud. Medieval times.

[@TarebossT]

Says who? The useless crooks who did the testing.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@TarebossT There is no "official date" of the Shroud. We have 16 radiocarbon readings, and those readings are subject to interpretation, one of which is that the Shroud dates to the 14th century. The other interpretation is that the Shroud was subjected to a first century neutron radiation event. The overall evidence points to the second hypothesis.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Wow are you ever behind the times! In a very big way! It was almost *20 years ago* that Dr. Ray Rogers, a scientist at Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories in New Mexico, *proved* that the carbon testing was done in error as the sample taken was from non-original part of the Shroud. The Shroud of Turin is 2000 years old.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@beverlyhurd8556 The "idea of a "secret weaving" is the Marino/Rodgers hypothesis and is popular, but is not actually "proven." Several Shroud scholars contest its validity: Antonacci, Rucker, Flury-Lemberg, Farey, Lynn & Pickett, Nicolotti, and Erwin are a few of them.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Well fine if they do. Lot of folks call the Shroud a fake too. Even Dr. Rogers scoffed at the idea at first until he begrudgingly got out his microscope and examined it himself. Did any of the those that want to poo-poo the idea do that as well with their own samples of the Shroud? I rather doubt it. I will believe him.