Is the Shroud of Turin Real? Here's the BEST Evidence.

[@kathleennorton2228]

I like the idea that the shroud of Turin is the receipt that says "Paid In Full".

[@jparks6544]

Pithy nonsense. The shroud the evidence of the torture and absolute human tragedy the Jews did to Jesus through the Romans. It is sin on display.

[@paulrichards6894]

it is real if jesus lived in the 13th century..........

[@xcobyxzei]

@@paulrichards6894did you not listen to the whole video 🙄

[@redwheelbarrow9729]

@@xcobyxzei of course he didn’t.

[@daledickerson-r9u]

I love your "Paid in full" comment!

[@marysfavs8180]

It's surreal to imagine that the blood on that shroud may literally be the blood that was shed for you and I. Thank you Lord Jesus for redemption and salvation.

[@wendyraptureready]

I agree, just like Thomas wanted proof.

[@junk3996]

you can be assured that His blood touched the mercy seat on the ark. that we can know

[@Tony-q1f]

Oh dear... where do you start with this ??

[@MultiSky7]

@@junk3996 Jesus (His body and blood) is the ark and the seat. 1 Cor. 1:23-25, John 20:12.

[@junk3996]

@@MultiSky7 your scripture references do not make any sense to the point you're trying to make. anyway, Jesus' body and blood are not literally the ark and the seat. the ark and the seat are symbolic of things and actually existed and have a need to be fulfilled in sacrifice. God is not an exception to His rules, He commanded Moses to build and construct everything in a way because thats the way it is for God in heaven (Heb 8:4,5) for Jesus to be considered the sacrifice His blood must have touched that seat, period, and i guarantee you it did. (you can listen to Ron Wyatt's testimony about this)

[@stephenwalsh9265]

I don't need a physical "proof" of the resurrection God's word is enough.

[@davidmcbrine4527]

Good for you! Some people would be convinced by this evidence and stop sitting on the fence and come to Christ.

[@NancyBeee]

God's word says the head cloth was folded separately! John20

[@davidmcbrine4527]

@@NancyBeee Exactly!

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

AMEN Stephen! If people can be fooled by a piece of cloth seeking signs wonders and relics they will not stand a chance when the anti-Christ appears 🤦‍♀️

[@stephenwalsh9265]

@@davidmcbrine4527 Actually people are saved by the spoken gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit not physical objects.

[@reepicheepsfriend]

I'm amazed at how belligerent some of the comments are here. I'm not Catholic, I have no interest in venerating or worshipping relics, and I'm still impressed and fascinated by the Shroud. Even if it's not Jesus' burial cloth it's still fascinating. Why do people react so negatively to this discussion?

[@justin10292000]

Spiritual Warfare

[@DingDong-h1v]

Because of the amount of absolute rubbish that catholics talk trying to make a fraudulent bit of cloth something it's not, it was carbon dated (by 3 independent laboratories) to roughly when it was 'found', there's even a french bishop claiming to know who the forger was. The question is the shroud authentic has been answered, no.

[@DingDong-h1v]

It's not spiritual warfare, it is reigning in Catholic bovine excrement

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@DingDong-h1v Those of us with even a tiny bit of intelligence know that the bishop's letter to the Pope was after a local artist, in a feeble attempt to make a name for himself, told him that it was he that painted the cloth. The bishop, being the gullible old fool that he was, took him at his word. Of course, they did not have the testing back then they do now, or they quickly would have discovered that there is not so much as a drop of paint, or any other manmade material on the image on the Shroud. The fact is that there are no pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. There are no chemical or physical methods known which can account for the totality of the image, nor can any combination of physical, chemical, biological or medical circumstances explain the image adequately. And those of us non-morons know that the ridiculous carbon dating was debunked almost 20 years ago. There's the real answer. Is the Shroud of Turin the actual burial garment of our Lord Jesus? You better know it. 👍

[@sticktrik]

Because the modern day Thomas’s still exist!!!!!!

[@Chris-rf8is]

The first photograph ever taken in history was by God himself. Truly amazing

[@macnadoodle]

The worlds first selfie.

[@paulrichards6894]

yer if he did it in the 13th century.....

[@Chris-rf8is]

@@paulrichards6894 you're clearly missing the point. This is a photograph on linen.

[@paulrichards6894]

@@Chris-rf8is it was carbon dated by 3 universities....think 1 in England 1 in Switzerland and the other in either US or Canada and these 3 all dated it to the 13th century and all within 50 years of each other.....the material was not available at the time of jesus.....what is tripping you up ???............

[@paulrichards6894]

@@Chris-rf8is Tucsun Zurich and oxford...............

[@Karen-0914]

I was a fallen away believer and wanted to return to the faith very much. I asked Jesus to reveal himself to me. He guided me to the latest information about the Shroud of Turin. When I read all of the forensics and chemistry on it I knew that Jesus had really risen from the dead. The figure on the shroud was produced by the intense energy of the resurrection! He has truly called me back to himself!

[@stevenfenster1798]

"The figure on the shroud was produced by the intense energy of the resurrection!" Exactly so!

[@jo_momma3270]

🥰🙏🏻💕 Praise God!!

[@annrodriguez2891]

How many people have no idea..I pray for those people

[@SarahRose64]

This is so fascinating! Thank you Melissa and Jeremiah for the conversation!

[@michaelelijahu.mcdavid169]

The BEST video I’ve seen so far was the Pints with Aquinas episode with Fr. Andrew Dalton. That 3 and some hour's convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[@MirandaHutlet-wr1bw]

I’ve seen the Pints with Aquinas too, and fully agree. Of all the discussions on the Shroud, that one is by far the most detailed and enlightening.

[@siennamargeaux8413]

Yes, that was a great video. Also, Fr. Robert Spitzer's interview and presentation. I was a skeptic, too. I thought that infamous carbon-dating test was the final word on the mystery. I didn't know there was more.

[@314jph]

​@@MirandaHutlet-wr1bwvery detailed, yes. The provence covered and all the scientific evidence. We can say, yes the shroud is 1st century. Yes, their is pollen ok it from the Levant. Yes, the image is not man-made. Yes, the image is specifically of a middle aged man who suffered crucifixion in the matter described in the gospels. No, we can't say it IS CHRIST. But all the evidence points to it. Peoole have been convicted of murder using much less evidence.

[@HenriqueAcquaviva]

It's not a photography, it's a radiography that shows the bones inside of the body as well. It's also not only 1 radiography, it's a sequence of images taken through the time while the gravity was smashing the body against itself. This is why the hands seem to be too long, it's moving while the image was being produced.

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

Okay what does that mean

[@DerHolländer-x2y]

@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit nothing

[@bigtone7824]

Exactly, you can see the hands in several different positions

[@HenriqueAcquaviva]

@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit it means that even it's a hoax, someone had the technology to take a picture and an x-ray centuries ago. Scientists can't find a natural cause for the image on the shroud. That "artist" also had precise anatomical knowledge since all the injuries and fluids are exactly what a pathologist would expect to find.

[@BethCJesuslovesme]

I think this was a great discussion! Definitely important to talk about because we never now what God might have preserved for us. I think it’s a good reminder that our faith is not blind. However, we should never direct our worship to any evidence. Our faith should also not depend on all of this evidence but only Gods word and the transformation that has happened in our lives. Evidence only builds on faith.

[@robertsandberg2246]

49:00: As a delivery driver for Sherwin Williams, I can confirm that paint indeed does not have a blood type.

[@melindamercier6811]

Why I’m still a skeptic: Isaiah 52:14 says He would be disfigured to the point of not even looking human, Isaiah 50:6 states his beard would be ripped out, and John 20:7 is clear that there was a separate FACE cloth that COVERED his head (emphasized to dispute the argument that it was the strip of cloth used to keep the jaws closed) and that it was separate from the linens that wrapped around his body. Almost as if to preemptively negate the idea of this relic. There is also an absolutely shocking lack of blood on the shroud given everything that happened to Jesus.

[@annemurphy9339]

There is a separate face cloth that has been scientifically proven to have been on the same body, known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. I’m surprised how rarely it’s mentioned. There are also areas on the face where parts of the beard have been ripped out, which is discussed & described in various study notes on the shroud.

[@daveandersen6453]

Also it says that he was "marred more than any man". Doesn't say that he was not recognizeable.

[@clintpospichal6498]

I agree with you, I too am not convinced

[@cottagekeeper]

How long was Jesus on the cross I think much of His precious blood remained on the ground beneath the cross, even where He was flogged too. 😢

[@gabriellehoffman7572]

My question is, whether it is real or not, why is this being brought back into the public's attention NOW after it was intentionally buried in the 1980s? It's been hidden in the Vatican's shelves for DECADES and now, when Paris seems to brag that they're announcing the coming the the Son of Perdition, suddenly we're taking about material evidence for Jesus Christ. Is this God's evidence answer to His reality, or Satan's deception foe a coming Imposter? Asking honestly as a believing Christian.

[@Sandra.shafer7]

If you listen carefully, he says that the blood marks are obviously before the resurrection took place, steeping all layers of cloth, the face image though is only superficial, and it’s not blood, (nor other known substance) that includes the beard. THAT is part of the evidence for the resurrected body, remember that the resurrected body will be in the glorified state, that means He would have had his beard again? In His glorified/resurrected body. Sounds like His body changed in the twinkling of an eye. Peace and grace to you.

[@tanjasmit7535]

Amen! What a time to live 😮 May He come soon to take His bride home!! Everything is happening now.... Revelation playing out! 🙏🏻💙🇿🇦

[@ari3lz3pp]

That is a beautiful way of looking at it. 🙏 Anything is possible by YHWH. Not to be gory....but I always just figured his beard was soaked in blood as well ....the earliest depictions of Yeshua Even show him as looking as a pretty average Jewish man as the Torah predicted of the Messiah. It was the Catholic church that corrupted his image to look more like their old paganistic gods. But the shroud could be his face after having been through what he was and I love your idea that it could even be during his transformation of his image. If I'm understanding you correctly. Either way it is wonderful for us to always have new ways to be in awe of Adonai! Much love to you!

[@Dominick7]

@@Sandra.shafer7 maybe that's part of why they say it actually moved like a strobe light.

[@onlyme972]

Dead bodies washed and prepared for burial dont bleed. Its just one of many known to have been made in the middle ages and still are displayed in churches.

[@RayRice-lr8vi]

That causes me to doubt the shroud, as his beard was most likely plucked out, and the disciples didn't recognize him afterward (See the breakfast scene in the Gospel of John), most likely due to the scars he bore.

[@christiansoldier1118]

Jesus paid the price - and left a receipt - Hallelujah!

[@davidmcbrine4527]

I like that!

[@Tony-q1f]

I get a receipt when I buy my groceries.

[@wendinorthcott925]

He bought us with a price… his life. He didn’t need to leave a receipt.

[@sharondoan1447]

@@christiansoldier1118 I’m being a bit slow here, but what was the receipt?

[@christiansoldier1118]

@@sharondoan1447 The Shroud - it was a play on words - price of his life and receipt 🙂

[@jehhmar8563]

I’m a Theology student from India & And this is a great information/entertaining.

[@TheresaCronin-kc6wz]

Fr Spitzer has Scientific Evidence for the Shroud of Turin.

[@tarah8588]

I love seeing you cover this. A well renowned medical examiner that was in the county I grew up in had the privilege to study it. Every Good Friday he would provide information on it at one of the local Catholic churches. This was in the 80's and 90's. He wrote a book about the medical evidence of the shroud, Dr. Frederick Zugibe.

[@54725]

I hope after that he stopped worshipping Mary and the saints who were humans.

[@deborahsayers5101]

Where can you get this book to read?

[@butterpecan5642]

Let's focus on being saints in the faith, persevering until the end

[@Orquet-qj2nf]

What does that mean? What does it mean to be a saint in the faith? Are you suggesting we ignore the shroud because that contradicts the nebulous term of being a saint? Are you suggesting we should study the shroud with vigour because having evidence helps with persevering in the faith? Are you ignoring the video entirely and making a random statement? I don't understand your intention of making this statement. When you tell people what you think they should be doing, how about a basic run through of your expectations? Then I won't have to add any assumptions to make sense of it. It'll make it a lot easier to tell you whether I agree or if I think you should go take a long walk on a short dock. Right now, the only assumptionless contribution I have is, 'That's nice."

[@Tony-q1f]

@@Orquet-qj2nf You sound like you need something nice to happen for a change ion your life. Maybe a nice hug and a warm smile will relax you a bit.

[@jessicalightwarrior7276]

@@butterpecan5642 Amen!!!

[@joyfulnoise6913]

The Lord speaks in many ways to His people and to those who are seeking. Some will come to Him because of this work. And some believers will be encouraged and rejoice in the amazing works of the Lord. It is a good thing, and the Lord is revealing truth. ❤

[@Tony-q1f]

@@joyfulnoise6913 It not a good thing. Its a hoax and it opens people up to all the other crap the catholics serve up

[@elijah5791]

This was an excellent presentation. It should stir the heart and inspire the faith of every Christian. Our God provided the world physical evidence which stubbornly resists and refutes all skeptical inquiries. This is providential and utterly awe inspiring! Thank you, Lord Jesus!

[@Tony-q1f]

Just like all the other Catholic relics, they keep the weak minded busy for centuries.

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

@@elijah5791 those who are filled wuth The Holy Spirit are repulsed by the deception 🤷‍♀️

[@cottagekeeper]

Melissa please do a follow up with your guest answering the questions posted here.

[@tonydeemusic3004]

Many of them were answered in this video.

[@cottagekeeper]

@@tonydeemusic3004and many were not.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@cottagekeeper Such as?

[@cottagekeeper]

@@beverlyhurd8556 Your comment to start with would be a good discussion about the facecloth being removed. Many others folks have good questions in the comments.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@cottagekeeper Well the facecloth, known today as the Sudarium of Oviedo, was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. That we know for sure by the stains on it. After Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought his body into the tomb, the cloth was removed and set aside. Because Jewish law states that anything with the deceased blood on it had to be buried with the body it was kept in the tomb. It was never put back on Jesus' body again.

[@kevinrb9532]

The late Ray Rogers, a Chemist who was part of the STURP research team reluctantly admitted that the sample used in the C14 test was a repair, with cotton fibers that were not a part of the original shroud.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

True!! And his findings were published almost *20 years ago* and still to this day there are some mighty ignorant people out there who think that the Shroud dates to the middle ages! Talk about being behind the times! 🤦‍♂

[@paulrichards6894]

dont you mean roy??..............

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@paulrichards6894 His name was Raymond N. Rogers, of the Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories in New Mexico. Perhaps you're thinking of the cowboy that rode Trigger? 😉

[@captainobvious2435]

Ray Rogers HYPOTHESIZED, made an educated guess,, it was from a repair. Other papers say there is no spectrometry evidence it was from a repair. The radiocarbon dating hasn't been disproven.... yet.

[@captainobvious2435]

I also want to add that I noticed everyone wants to cite "evidence" that supports them but not the "evidence" that contradicts them. I was shocked Walter McCrone, a world leader in microscopy, was dismissed from STURP because other members didn't "like" his findings. McCrone called them out for not doing proper science and got let go. Thank God the radiometric samples went outside the STURP members because they would've skewed that data too.

[@SereniTy_Corner]

Yup. Studied the shroud myself a few months ago. I think the blood type: AB and the xray image are what really convinced me, among other things.

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

@@SereniTy_Corner Jesus was beaten beyond human likeness. Are you saying God is lying?

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

​@@EveLovesChristJesus where does it say that. Because I am pretty sure it only says marred more than any man. Not that he was irrecogniziable

[@SereniTy_Corner]

@@EveLovesChristJesus the Bible says he could not be recognized. Since you and I did not see him alive we cannot be the judges of that.

[@SereniTy_Corner]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 even so, since none of us saw him alive, how do we know whether the image was recognizable or not when compared to his human form?

[@wawabbit]

​@@SereniTy_Corner Only modern, corrupt versions say that.

[@miradamevska5887]

Jerimiah, I have been a Christian all my life, albeit my many times falling off the wayside, but I too was a believer as a very small child and all I needed to know was that Jesus is, and that's all!

[@314jph]

Pierre Barbet, a french surgeon, wrote a great book that has been translated into English, A Surgeon at Calvary. Pints of Aquinas does a great in depth (2.5 hrs) podcast talking about the provence and all of the science to disprove it. Includes the carbon 14 data study from the 80s. They used a repaired section from a repaired section, called french weave. The podcast includes the fact that we STILL can't replicate how the image was created. The image's only really visible in negative, and is not any man-made method. It's worth a look.

[@stuksy4321]

that was very good talk. I was going to bring it up as well.

[@ayosunday802]

First to watch... first to like! God bless you sister!

[@justjonoutdoors]

People scoff at circumstantial evidence - I was on a jury that returned a 1st degree murder conviction in a case where there was nothing but circumstantial evidence. To this day (several decades later) I have no reservations about that verdict.

[@doxieherblitz]

I thought the shroud was a fake because so many of the "Christian relics" are a joke. Then I looked into it, and now I'm 95% convinced.

[@SereniTy_Corner]

Yes. We can never be 100% sure, but this definitely stirs one's faith.

[@jimmoore9490]

Add the Sudarium to your 5% and now you are at 100%. Someone would have to fake both. And the flawed carbon dating dated the Sudarium at 750AD. The Sudarium has 120 blood stains that match the shroud. So how can this be? 100% now?

[@davidmeeks8431]

What. Christian Relics “are jokes” are you talking about? Just curious.

[@deboraballes9044]

​@@davidmeeks8431I live in Spain and can assure you that the body that is buried in Santiago de Compostela, where thousands of people do their pilgrimage, is of a random man several hundred years after of the apostle, even so admitted by the catholic church.

[@TheresaCronin-kc6wz]

Deborah. Can’t take your word.Prove it!

[@alexandriacolonialtours1269]

I think it's legitimate. We'll know for sure when we see the risen Jesus face to face. !!!!

[@muskyoxes]

"Wow, you don't look at all like your picture!"

[@HisFaithfulnessMinistries]

"For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7

[@mariafalcon5397]

Yea, go tell that to God, he himself left evidence!

[@rinwesley3092]

They buried Christ’s body before nightfall because in Jewish timekeeping sundown is the next day, not sunrise, and that would have been the sabbath in which they were not to do any work since that was the Lord’s day. I don’t know where he’s getting “superstition” from.

[@TimothyFish]

Given the time at which they went to request the body, I don't think they could have buried the body prior to sunset. I think the crucifixion took place on Thursday, the body was buried after sunset of day, so we would be into Friday night, he was in the tomb all of Friday, all of Saturday, Sunday night and then he rose after sunrise, giving us three nights and three days in which he was in the tomb.

[@rinwesley3092]

@@TimothyFish You know...I think you're right.

[@MultiSky7]

@@TimothyFish Yes, He was crucified on Thursday and placed in tomb before the sunset (cca 6PM) - the beginning of Friday which was also a Sabbath day. There were 2 Sabbaths that week. Friday Sabbath, i.e. High Sabbath (John 19:31) and regular Sabbath. The tomb was literally sealed for 72 hours.

[@murph19611]

​@@TimothyFishthe bible is very clear on this point , repeated in the 4 gospels...

[@TimothyFish]

@@murph19611, what is clear is that they went to request the body at sunset. It doesn't actually tell us how long it took to discuss that decision, what documents, if any, had to be written and signed to authorize the soldiers to release the body to them, how long it took to walk back to the site of the crucifixion, how long it took to remove the body from the cross, how long it took to carry the body to the tomb. Sunset takes a while, but there is enough that they had to do that it seems likely that they were into night before they got it all done, even if they made their request at the very start of sunset. Let's say that their walking distance was one mile, to get them to the cross and then to the tomb. That's, roughly, twenty minutes of walking. Let's say that sunset takes thirty minutes. That leaves them with ten minutes to get permission, to take down the body, and to do some limited preparation for burial. Is it possible that they got all of that done in ten minutes? Sure. Is it likely, given their customs, that they would have put themselves up against such a tight schedule and even the leaders were considering leaving the body longer, which would have been a violation of the custom that they were trying not to violate by handling the crucifixion quickly? No. If the goal was to have a burial before sabbath, then a request for his body just thirty minutes before sabbath doesn't make sense. But a request thirty minutes prior to the day of preparation makes a lot of sense.

[@debraperkins4448]

For "Those" that Need PROOF, None can be Given nor Needed, For Those" Who Need Proof, None Will Suffice‼️

[@supersweet131]

I am a Christian and this is the first summer I’ve ever heard of the shroud of Turin.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Yeah, that happens. I have shown a picture of the Shroud to a third year seminary student who had no idea aobut what it was.

[@annrodriguez2891]

Very sad that you never heard of the Shroud..I have been studying it for 10 years since I became born again....Jesus❤ Thank you

[@CE4ResearchUFOtruth]

Even if it’s not authentic, it has done an incredible job of introducing the knowledge of Jesus Christ to the world.

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

If I were to have the Shroud and it's guaranteed to be real, I'd only use it to remind me of what Jesus went through and that He rose from the dead by the Power of the Holy Spirit of God Who now dwells in my heart right now. The cloth, unto itself, is not to be revered, but the Person of God Who entered flesh to Sacrifice Himself to save us from ourselves. It's like a picture you have in your wallet of your loved ones. The picture itself is not loved, but the picture reminds you of who you love. I'm glad I was not the interviewer here because I cried like 6 times throughout hearing what Jesus went through for us. I could not hold it together. So even if this was a fraud shroud, it is still helping us remember what Jesus went through for us. Love in action, not just word. :')

[@crazyman4985]

This. Evidences left from God is wonderful, but by no means replaces the Gospel or is to be worshipped as it is a CLOTH. Many Christians are like threathened in unhealthy fear of this cloth like it's an attack on the gospel or something.. smh

[@davidmeeks8431]

Revered, yes. Worshiped, no

[@ericksonong]

the biggest question to skeptics would be despite our modern technology, we still cannot replicate the image on the shroud.

[@wipo3654]

So everything that cannot be replicated today either must be a divine miracle, or the works of aliens!? And the biggest challenge to Shroud defenders are the burial descriptions in the Scripture. Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths (bandages/strips) WITH about 30 kg spices. Explain how it was done using something like the Shroud. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.

[@2000dns]

The fact that the linen cloth was left in the tomb means that He will be back.

[@ilidiomcbarros]

'This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.' John 3,19-21

[@barryjtaft]

My hope is build on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus' name. On Christ the solid Rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand. All other ground is sinking sand. Christ alone, by grace alone through faith alone.

[@reoki5451]

The holy shroud was the evidence I needed to accept that God is is fact Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord!

[@kathierouse6046]

If anyone is interested in further study of the shroud, I highly recommend photographer Barrie Schwortz, a Jew who hasn't converted to Christianity yet, but has analyzed the shroud by his photography. He's very thorough. He founded the Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association (STERA). He lectures on the Shroud around the world. Another source on the Shroud is Russ Breault. 😊👍🏻👍🏻❤️

[@beverlyhurd8556]

I guess that you did not know that Barrie passed away from leukemia complications on June 21st of this year. A great guy he was. He will be missed. Rest in peace, Barrie. 😞

[@anda1anda2]

​@@beverlyhurd8556 But Barrie is still in you tube videos up to last year, and I agree that Barrte seemed like a really fascinating man posting so much over the decades since the original investigation.

[@Learnerofthings]

I doubt that Jesus would say “an adulterous generation seeks a sign” and then leave a sign.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

He did leave a sign, but it wasn't on a piece of cloth. He told the religious elites that the only sign He'd give them was being dead for a full 72 hr period.

[@sackettfamily4685]

That comment is out of context of the recorded conversation. It doesn't matter to this topic of the shroud.

[@chebbohagop]

Nice

[@joyfulnoise6913]

If you take that statement to its logical conclusion, then should there be no historical/archaelogical evidence of any Biblical event?

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

@@Learnerofthings Amen!

[@kathyd456]

Thanks Jeremiah and Melissa! I really enjoyed this as it helped me recall my sense of wonder that I had as a 9 or 10 year old first hearing about it.

[@jcff1961]

Jesus! Wow, wow, wow, thank you Jesus!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@chuckperschbacher2983]

The coins that were over the eyes show Pontius Pilate on them...

[@sticktrik]

Absolutely correct that the coins are from the time period that Pontius Pilate was the governor of Judea!!

[@captainobvious2435]

No. There is disagreement about the coins, if there were any. That would be heretical and, perhaps, a copying of Greco-Roman mythology, maybe though not much writings confirm Greco-Roman burial rites. Europeans apparently were known to use coins to cover the eyes.

[@Wasoska]

Jeremiah is so knowledgeable and his background education is just amazing!

[@rebeccajolliff3378]

Melissa's facial expressions and physical demeanor during this episode come across as condescending. She does not seem like she went into this interview with an open mind. Dr. Jeremiah Johnston is a highly educated, intelligent, faithful follower of God and definitely worth listening to. I know several of the commentors on this thread have mocked him for recommending his book, but truthfully, he has some good work that's worth checking out.

[@username00009]

She looks like she’s listening and processing the information. What value does your judgement bring to the conversation?

[@rebeccajolliff3378]

@username00009 My critique is that her body language said one thing and her words another. Unfortunately, body language can communicate louder than words. The constant grimacing, side eye rolls, and the overall way she presents herself during the conversation communicate disrespect and lack genuine openness to the topic. Perhaps she was just mentally processing, as you suggested, but certainly she had done her research on her guest and his work prior to the episode and so what he said shouldn't have been such work for her to mentally process. Melissa's YT platform is used to frequently make harsh judgments toward others; Is she not open to some criticism?

[@johnwestervelt7454]

Absolutely and I've always been. I've never trusted those who claimed it wasn't simply based on the facts that they wanted to prove it wasn't, instead of trying to prove one or the other

[@davidmoran4506]

The fact the shroud bears evidence and was folded by the Lord, and left is Hebrew and Jewish custom similar to folding a napkin. It meant that the person was going to return. In like manner, Jesus was making a statement.

[@drrightlife]

See my comment for further evidence of what you are saying. People who claom the Shroud was used on the dead body of Jesus are totally ignorant and untaught of the original Greek manuscripts.

[@drrightlife]

Jsus died on Passover day, which was THURSDAY NOT FRIDAY! Notice that in John 20 it says the dead body could not be on the cross after sundown, BECAUSE THE NEXT DAY WAS NOT A USUAL SABBATH, BUT A SPECIAL HIGH SABBATH OF THE FIRST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, AS PER LEVITICUS. which is the DAY BEFORE the Special Sabbath of first day of Unleavened bread. To the Jews, a part of a day or night counts as a whole day or night. Jesus voluntarily died physically around 3 M, the 9th hour, so thatis day 1 Thursday, day 2 Friday (1st day of Unleavened bread, special Sabbath, day 3 Saturday the ordinary Sabbath... He rose from the dead before sunrise of Sunday, 1st day of the week. 3 DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, the Jews usually thought of a day as beginning at sundown to sundown, or nights and days. Sundown Thursday is one night, sundown Friday is night two, sundown Saturday is night three. We know this is the Truth case because of what Jesus Himself said, that he would be in the earth 3 days and three nights, and 1 Cor 15 confirms this.

[@messiahspeople]

Can you please give a verifiable reference for the alleged custom of the folded napkin?

[@raysantiago3750]

GREAT INTERVIEW MELISSA WITH PASTOR.❤✝️🛐

[@wipo3654]

John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. There are more biblical details in a video presentation/description on my channel. Click icon W to the left-top of this comment.

[@aw6707]

Hubby's reaction to the blood type: "AB is the universal donor!" 😍 Edit: the error has been corrected as noted by my reply. The continued comments of correction are uneccessary

[@chiew-weichin3662]

AB is the univeral receipient

[@aw6707]

@@chiew-weichin3662 ah you are correct. Universal recipient for red blood cells, universal do or for plasma.

[@chiew-weichin3662]

@@aw6707 ah right 😃

[@joanf9303]

O is the universal donor

[@SereniTy_Corner]

o is

[@alainaaugust1932]

Thank you, Melissa and Jeremiah, for this awesome update. Blessings.

[@crystalhowley4259]

It is real our Lord is always showing us signs and miracles!!

[@MrDoyle07]

I love it when I hear the products of the secularist new coming Christians finding that what those of us from the Church that Jesus left us with 2000 years ago has known since 33AD. This is really cool. It’s had its problems ofcourse, but the basic elements that makes Jesus’s words, “The gates of hell will not prevail against it” in reference to His Church, true and timeless. I love this! Carry on Brothers and Sisters, the truth is still there and it is available - thanks to that Church - for all of you to find too! And I did learn here that the carbon dating event that threw this study into the corner for a while actually recorded the smoke residue from the fire it survived. I knew about the “patch” error but, that smoke thing is a cool tidbit to know! ❤🙏🏼

[@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN]

YOU CANNOT FAKE WHAT YOU CANNOT MAKE

[@joop8704]

That's exactly the point :). I have had this discussion recently. If you can't reproduce it because you don't know what it is, then it cannot be labeled as fake. But it doesn't mean it is JC. For now that remains a matter of faith. Although I know where I stand on that after waking up to the truth about our earth 4 years ago. 1 John 4:16

[@Priscilla_Bettis]

This was fascinating. Thanks to both of you. I hope your cough goes away soon, Melissa.🙂

[@mrchips3075]

The shroud, like Catholic saints, are VENERATED not idolized.

[@Gladiator88888]

How , is it only great respect , when you pray to the so called saints . No men are saints all are sinners and saved by the blood .

[@fddooley1]

​@Gladiator88888 have you a dictionary? Look up the definition of venerate. Of course Jesus is the lamb of God sacrificed so that humanity may be reconciled to the Father. Only the triune God is worshipped by Catholics. I hope your understanding is clear.

[@jvlp2046]

Although the Gospel of John (ref. John 19:32-35) never specified which "Entry-Side" the spear went through Christ's chest... The SHROUD of TURIN shows on the Right-Side Chest entry wound... that EXPERTS affirmed and agreed that the most accurate place to hit the Heart of the Person hanging or above the ground was to pierce from the lower RIBS of the Right-side chest directly hitting the Heart of the person... Take Note:... the Human HEART is located slightly on the LEFT side chest above the RIBS... since the Heart is protected (enclosed) around by the RIBS, therefore, if the entry wound of the spear was on the LEFT side chest below the RIBS, the less chance of hitting the Heart of the person hanging or above the ground... Roman Soldiers were trained to kill their enemies with just one blow as much as possible without repetition... they were experts and knew where the fatal wounds would/should be from the spears, arrows, axes, or swords on the battlefields... Facts and Truth, Scientifically and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen and Amen.

[@wendyraptureready]

I suppose the shroud survived all these years for the "doubting Thomas's"

[@ari3lz3pp]

As a believer these sort of things also are exciting to me and bolster my faith. The Sea of reeds versus the Red Sea...... The idea that the waters were 6 ft is not good enough for Albert Lin but back in a time when people were shorter on average compiled with the muddiness of the waters and the land and the heavy chariots and chaos.... Plus rushing Waters when most people if not everyone there could not swim. It's plenty and when you consider environmental change that the waters could have been even deeper. That Adonai created that natural phenomenon and allowed it to still be observed to this day for us to marvel in. It's a gift to doubting Thomas's indeed, and those who also have strong faith but enjoy observing these kinds of things. And I just hope that people who are doubtful do not get in their own way when they see these things and that it does help lead them back to the glory of Yahweh.

[@300mphmartyr]

only God knows. maybe He’d share with you.

[@ExNewAgeSlave]

I watched this twice one after another very exciting to have you cover this ❤

[@kimtate2285]

Great video thank you Melissa 😊

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

On the other hand, some people do not like the British Museum's conclusion of a 14th century date for the Shroud, and they insist on a new radiocarbon test. In this case, the scientists at the British Museum had a bias, and that bias was for a 14th century date. Their conclusion fitted their bias. Therefore it was suspect, and needed to be examined. That task has been accomplished. The result was that the Museum's conclusion of a 14th century date was not justified. See: "RADIOCARBON DATING OF THE SHROUD: NEW EVIDENCE FROM THE RAW DATA," Casabianca, Marinelli, Pernagallo, Torrisi, 2019. Published in the Oxford journal, ARCHAEOMETRY. A new radiocarbon test for the Shroud is not needed. All that is needed is an unbiased evaluation of the Shroud's 1988 radiocarbon readings. See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.

[@leechrec]

There is much more evidence of its authenticity than evidence against.

[@michaeltiza232]

It's hard to get over how much the shroud looks like the 15th century painting of someone's son, that became the popular image of Jesus.

[@markb3786]

shhhhh. be quiet

[@michaelaratnam6517]

God became man... Why should we be surprised to find a few people who look like the man God became...??? There are pictures of Christ painted more than 1000 years before Cesare Borgia was even born!!!

[@bornagainsaint6923]

Borgia????!!!!!

[@krisk6834]

There's a prolific artist who addressed the shroud from an artist's perspective decades ago. She'd be worth reading. I'll see if I can find the name.

[@krisk6834]

Look up Isabel Piczek, "Is the Shroud of Turin a Painting?" from 1995. An amazing site!

[@ByDesign333]

Commentors finding this as a thing to encouraging souls to be doing idol worship; would they accuse God of tempting ancient Israel for reverencing the items from Moses' and Aaron's artifacts of divine involvement? I saw the wrong in Roman Catholic idolotry via "relics"; but God DOES give us physical evidences when he so chooses. You should think first what youre doing ppl. To some of us, the Scriptures plus creation/life is plenty enough.

[@daveandersen6453]

There's no implications in the video that it should be worshipped as a relic. It is presented as evidence for the resurrection. Very different from idol worship

[@rinwesley3092]

Please learn what idol worship really means instead of spreading your irrational bias.

[@honeybun3492]

Do you think Christians commit idolatry with crosses? Like wearing them, hanging them up, praying looking at them, etc.?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@honeybun3492 Wearing crucifixes, hanging them up, and praying while looking at them is idol worship. None of these customs are promoted in the Bible, and all of those customs come from the Tammuz cults like the crucifix itself did.

[@MultiSky7]

@@daveandersen6453 Read the comments. People are accusing other people (who defend the evidence) of idol worshiping. So bydesign has a point. I am not an idol worshiper nor do I "venerate" Mary or the saints (to be honest - I can't stand it), but what we see in the data, concerning shroud, are provable (scientific) facts. That's what I am defending. I don't need anything to feel connected to Jesus, let alone shroud, but there are many entities (atheists, globalists, ecumenical pope and woke churches) and claims that shroud is a "middle age forgery" are benefitting their game, cause they have everything to lose if shroud is proven legit. John 14:6. That's what I am defending.

[@stephenwalsh9265]

My question is why would the one who said "Blessed is he who has not seen and has believed" provide physical proof in this instance only and no others in all of Biblical history?

[@jessicalightwarrior7276]

JESUS SAID THAT TO DOUBTING THOMAS! Read John 20 for much more context. It's so good, you won't regret it.

[@stephenwalsh9265]

@@jessicalightwarrior7276 I have read it many times. The whole book.

[@sackettfamily4685]

I would point out how until very recently hardly anyone had heard of, let alone seen this. Many people did get to see things and believed, while others don't. It doesn't discount seeing evidence and then believing, but is making a point. That those whose heart believes in Jesus without seeing the "proofs" are more blessed. It would be a cruel thing to demand belief of everyone without a shred of proof. That would be impossible for many people, and how they're wired with common sense.

[@MultiSky7]

Shroud was left for nonbelievers (Thomas's of the world) not for believers.

[@mbb--]

Jesus said that to Thomas after He told Thomas to put his physical hand in the physical hole in His physical side

[@philyra8991]

Thank you for looking into this.

[@nathanlindemuth1342]

I like how he gives a real, definite length of time of what the apostle Paul describes how quickly we will be changed based on what was found with this shroud. "In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye."

[@wallywest001]

The Shroud of Turin is The Burial Cloth of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[@wipo3654]

John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. There are more biblical details in a video presentation/description on my channel. Click icon W to the left-top of this comment.

[@tobias4411]

It's a Medieval art, used as a forgery. Even the world's largest organization advocating for young Earth creationism, 'Answers in Genesis' (AiG) admits that Shroud of Turin in NOT an authentic burial cloth of Jesus. Deal with it.

[@annrodriguez2891]

💯❤❤❤

[@kittenwiskerz299]

John 20:7 says that the wrapping that had been on Jesus' head was not with the linen cloths but was folded up separately. This single piece 'shroud' does not comply with the bible.

[@loveemotion4080]

There’s the sudarium of oviedo that matches the wounds and blood from the shroud.

[@solrac41604]

The video did mention that the Jews would often add an additional shroud/wrap around the jaw/face of the deceased to prevent their face from being in an open-mouth position. So it is possible that the main shroud covered his body while a smaller shroud was placed to secure his face on top. But that's just my 2 cents anyway.

[@bjqb1108]

@@kittenwiskerz299 yep

[@Dominick7]

You're confusing the Sudarium of Oviedo with the shroud.. this has been addressed a million times.. can't recall but it was either that the shroud covered his whole body, the head covering went over the shroud over his head or vice versa.

[@davidmcbrine4527]

Of course it complies with the Bible. As you said, there were two parts to the burial cloths. One for the head (sudarium) and the big main shroud which covered His body. The shroud of Turin is just the body covering. Your confused.

[@garbentan]

Nice strong evidences just in time for the hardest of times

[@Tony-q1f]

The hardest of times ?? Like we needed this right now to cheer us up.... an old bit of rag ???? sheeesh!

[@tobias4411]

The Shroud of Turin features a 3/1 herringbone twill weave, and is notable for its unique appearance involving the weft thread passing over three warp threads and under one. This type of weave is NOT known to have existed in the first century Middle East and is more consistent with medieval European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. So how can the Shroud be from the time of Jesus when this weaving technique didn't exist? Oops..

[@Tony-q1f]

@@tobias4411 At last. A real level of proper investigation and curious intelligence. Great post

[@tobias4411]

@@Tony-q1f Thanks. I've conducted extensive research on the Shroud. It's quite easy to dismantle the arguments of those 'shroudies' who are grasping at straws to reinforce their beliefs.

[@jeanniemcgruder1654]

Talk about the weaving NOT from century one please

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

When a scientific investigation reveals evidence that people don't like, we see the calls for "new tests." The fact of the matter is that enough tests have been done on the Shroud. Some do not like the conclusions of the 1978 examination in which scientists attempted to find out how the Shroud's images had been created. Those scientists had a bias. They thought that it would be an easy task and that they would find the answer to the creation of the images on their first day. But after five days of testing and three years of study, those scientists were forced to conclude that the Shroud's images were not the work of an artist and that the images were those of a real human form. Some people do not like STURP's conclusions, so they accuse those scientists of bias and insist on new tests. But the STURP scientists were actually biased in favor of the Shroud's images being some kind art work, and their eventual conclusions went against their biases. Therefore, the demand for a new round of tests is not justified.

[@1960ARC]

Stop saying crucified criminal. Jesus was innocent!!! We are the sinful that he died for.

[@ari3lz3pp]

Ouch. Good point. I think he's trying to speak from an objective standpoint historically but I agree with you.

[@BranTheBald]

God sacrificed himself to himself for his creation that he regretted creating, your God is an immoral thug

[@jakester455]

Well he was convicted so yeah he was a criminal and also innocent.

[@1960ARC]

@@jakester455 the conviction of an innocent man does not make a criminal.

[@Gladiator88888]

@@1960ARCthe guy specifically says “Roman “ criminal which Jesus was , but Jesus was not beholden to Roman law so it he can be both a Roman criminal and an innocent in this case

[@davidcampbell6663]

Dr Gilbert Lavoie's book, The Shroud of Jesus explains how the physical markings relate to the shroud and how it relates to John's Gospel.

[@jimmoore9490]

Sudarium of Oviedo,. 120 blood stains line up with the Shroud.

[@tobias4411]

Sudarium of Oviedo. has been dated to ~ 700 AD. Some historical context suggesting its existence as early as 570 AD, potentially due to oil contamination. Anyways, the dating together with the analysis suggests that it could not have originated from the time of Jesus. They also did Microscopic Examination and Chemical Analysis. The Sudarium has pollen from North Africa, not found on the Shroud which raises questions about their direct connection. Some researchers, like Janice Bennett, have pointed out the potential contamination of the samples used for radiocarbon dating, which could have skewed the results. However, this remains a point of contention. While there are numerous points of similarity between the bloodstains on both cloths, there is a lack of direct historical evidence linking them to Jesus. The Sudarium's documented history only begins in the 6th century. There are morphological differences in the "bloodstains" on the Shroud compared to Sudarium. These points form the basis of skepticism regarding the Sudarium as the genuine headcloth of Jesus.

[@jimmoore9490]

@@tobias4411 Man the AI bots are removing my posts again. Scared little demons.

[@tobias4411]

@@jimmoore9490 There are several reasons why comments on KZbin might get deleted, vanish, or reappear without an apparent violation of the platform's guidelines. There are no demons, hobgoblins, elves, fairys, leprechauns, gnomes, witches, ghosts, ghouls, spirits, genies, gods, angels, dragons, unicorns, giants, golems, cyclops, griffins, minotaurs, werewolves, sea goats, mermaids, mothmen, selkies, hydras, chimeras, nagas, sirens, gorgons, centaurs... Its all about mythology and folklore.

[@910iva]

​@@tobias4411someone took it to Africa and the radiation changes the date due to the blast

[@jeaninehawkins2258]

Great interview! I wish there were links to the studies.

[@phdjjj]

The face cloth is a "jaw band" ... important distinction.

[@lizbiedinger9065]

I have learned it was a sweat cloth which people carried on their belts to wipe their faces. Check Suderium of Oviedo. Suderium meaning sweat, loosely translated.

[@ajax2463]

Absolutely LOVE this discussion and I cant wait to read Dr. J's books

[@daveandersen6453]

Have seen Dr Johnston's stuff before. He's a stand up guy who takes a non biased view of this information. I went from skeptical to a believer in the shroud

[@DoyouevenknowtheTruth]

JESUS would not look like white dude. Have you read the bible?

[@phdjjj]

Thanks!

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@DoyouevenknowtheTruth How about you telling us where in the Bible does it describe how Jesus looked when he walked the Earth? Book, chapter, and verse please.

[@MultiSky7]

@@DoyouevenknowtheTruth And how exactly the shroud shows that he was white - or any other skin colour for that matter? Literally brain dead comment.

[@joykeebler1916]

- Melissa, you have a natural God-given gift towards humor ,this is obvious within your videos at times

[@BtotheeB]

Also watch KZbinr Metatron’s take on it. He’s hyper intelligent and incredibly fair minded…

[@janiceervin428]

Me. Johnston states here that there were "pints and pints of blood on the shroud". I've followed research on it and agree that you can clearly see where parts of his beard is ripped out. Also, even though we are seeing the negative image in the shroud, it's clear his face was badly swollen and the ligaments of his nose impacted. I'm grateful Mr. Johnston explained the ligaments on the nose. I always wondered about that aspect since it appears, by the image, that this victim's nose was broken. Also, as regards the beating, Roman standards dictated how much a Roman citizen could be beaten and still alive to suffer the crucifixion death. 25 lashes with that cruel torture device. Yet the victim of this barbarous beating, suffered hundreds of wounds, which would have been quite the unusual case at the them, even though he was not a Roman citizen. He would have been at least to some degree, been treated similarly under their law. In addition, such a unusually horrific beating would have caused the victim to die much more rapidly on the cross...just as is the case with Jesus. The crown of deep puncture wounds is there, the hand wounds is there, the feet wounds is there, the side wound is there. There were (pulling from Memory here) over 300 seeds deeply embedded into the fabric, many of which are attributed to natural elements that are only indigenous to the very area where he was crucified. Have ya'll seen the multi-dimensional image created from the details provided by the shroud? It's heart breaking, and brings him - his face - to life as nothing else could. I don't know how anyone could research enough to learn all the specific factual details (many more of which are not mentioned in this video, only bc it would take hours to do so, I'm sure...)

[@ldwahl6678]

Great show next you can tackle the tilma of Guadalupe

[@sweethometreasures]

His response to MD's question about how Christians should treat the shroud (if they think it's legit) is solid though 🙌

[@silviosposito375]

There are by now a lot of arguments in favour of authenticity of the Shroud. The carbon dating was wrong - we now know - for many reasons; but one could simply think of this: how could have a medieval genius make such an artifact, a negative photographic image with three dimensional properties, when no one had just the idea of photography? And - overall - why a negative image, so faint, elusive and weak? Why not a positive one, only discovered by Secundo Pia in 1898? It would have been absolutely illogical, unusual but also impossible at the time.

[@ck2013rc]

Seeing the Shroud at a Shroud Research Center in California. It was in the life size photo. It was an awe moment. There is the possibility of this being table cloth for the last supper. Why??? There are 12 place settings around the boarder of the material. There are dipping stains also in the place settings.

[@stephentaylor2051]

My question is why do why not have this relic mentioned in the Book of Acts, or the post-gospel scripture?

[@jameshogan6142]

It is mentioned in the gospels as the burial cloths.

[@stephentaylor2051]

@@jameshogan6142 yes sir I know this, but my question is why is not mentioned in the rest of the Scripture's. I am sure it would have been a very useful witness to the resurrection of Jesus. Because what other burial cloth would hold an image of a deceased person? None. So in my mind this would have been a powerful apologetic for HIs resurrection.

[@captainobvious2435]

​@@stephentaylor2051nice observation. The early church fathers don't mention it either.... all the way to Eusebius.... nothing about the shroud. Then it's documented in the 1350's all of a sudden, right in line with the three independent, blind radiometric datings.

[@juliareynolds7970]

Thanks so much for airing this discussion.

[@heartofalegend]

When it comes to the shroud, the data speaks for itself. The more examination is done, the more a believer in it, one becomes. God could've kept the evidence for the resurrection confined to the pages of Scripture, but He didn't. The shroud is a gift and it's okay to embrace it as such, just like any other archaeological piece of evidence that substantiates the veracity of Scripture.

[@captainobvious2435]

But it's radiometric dating is 1300's. The opposition against that data are only theories, special pleading. Another radiometric dating sample would help but they won't, maybe some day.

[@captainobvious2435]

And the WAXS dating has its own issues like the shroud needing to be in moderate humidity and moderate temperatures for all that time, which we know didn't happen

[@BLAKEG1026]

Poor sweet Melissa, each time you had to mute to cough, I felt so bad for you. But you sure do keep up the great work regardless! Thanks for this great interview!

[@jaymoret7418]

Should do a show on the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe too.

[@tarapauls6812]

Thanks for this interview, Melissa. Is there any way you could cite a list of the references (studies) Jeremiah mentioned for those of us who wish to read them for ourselves? Thanks so much for what you do. I really appreciate your talks.

[@jerviasjohnson700]

This video was so good, I finished it in 60 seconds!

[@TheElizabethashby]

ME TOO

[@kennyreed6897]

I loved this and Dr JJJ is a dear friend!! Thank you

[@pattiramirez6257]

Isaiah 52:13 to Isaiah 53, is clearly scripture about Jesus. Verse 52:14 makes a reference to his appearance after his scourging, "Like as many were astonished at thee (his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men)". This cloth does not give that impression at all.

[@dia8013]

if you take the Bible literal, then by following your logic, the Earth must be flat and square..

[@Orquet-qj2nf]

​@@dia8013 Don't forget round and footstool shaped at the same time as flat and square. Also, maybe mention idioms that don't translate very well and were never meant to be taken literally. But I'd have look at what happens to swelling after a body dies to say how much we should expect. I think I see a bit of it. The nose is crooked and the body is absolutely covered in cuts and that is certainly disfigured.

[@MultiSky7]

Have you any evidence of how Jesus looked like before He was crucified so you can compare "before" and "after" to claim what you claim?

[@pattiramirez6257]

@@MultiSky7 The verse referred to two areas, his face or visage, and his form or body. The verse said his face was so marred more than any man, or another way of saying it is his face was so beat up that the people were astonished at his appearance. I don't see that kind of disfigurement of his face, or form for that matter, in the cloth imprint. And there were two clothes, one that covered the face, which was separate from the one covering his body. So, I label this as a fraud, which is my prerogative to do. I used scripture to base my opinion on.

[@danielletracyann]

They have the face cloth too and it matches up and both have the same blood type as well

[@PaxMundi118]

The Shroud, preserved by the Catholic Church for Millennia, as a gift to all who are open to the Gospel.

[@davidanderson498]

The shroud is a photograph of the resurrection.

[@deboraballes9044]

Fun fact, there is a "sudario" or cloth that holds the mouth closed, in Oviedo, Spain that is said to be the cloth that covered Jesus's face. The fun part is that they have studied the blood type and stains along with the folds and it lines up with the shroud of Turin quite well, documentation does say it has been in Oviedo minimum 1000 years

[@ftldelay]

There are so many other details about the shroud that they didn't have time to touch on that further prove it's authenticity. This topic is well-worth digging into further as it will serve to further strengthen our faith in our risen Savior!

[@sharondoan1447]

It is troubling to think that people who profess to be Christians are clinging to the potential validity of a piece of cloth made by a human. This all seems contrary to a faith based belief in Salvation through Jesus.

[@MultiSky7]

@@sharondoan1447 "cloth made by human"??? Please, tell me that you are joking. Do you really want me to extrapolate your "logic"??

[@sharondoan1447]

@@MultiSky7 I think the whole subject about Holy objects is way off point. Does a chair our Savior sat upon become Holy because he sat upon it? Catholics have encouraged this kind of thinking from the beginning of Christianity. I reject the idea. And many others.

[@billgibbs5075]

"I.M.H.O., this IS the best Christian video [(video) period] on the authenticity of the shroud of Turin, showing/capturing the moment OF resurrection!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ❤❤❤

[@tobias4411]

Red ochre (iron oxide) and vermilion (mercury sulfide) pigments were found on the fibers. Watch the video 'The mystery of the Shroud of Turin with Walter C.McCrone'.

[@joemichener2337]

Can you put the links to the research he is presenting?

[@edgufler1122]

Thank you very much for the video Melissa ... I thoroughly enjoyed it.