The Simple Truth Behind AI Minecraft. || Oasis

[@Cygnus_MC]

Cant wait to read the comments on this one!

[@ntgrv]

Working hard to boost this video to the top!

[@IcyPickled]

If they didn't sue the google play store Minecraft slop bootlegs they're not gonna sue Decart

[@Cygnus_MC]

Eh those where still kinda their own thing, And usually they would send letters to the companies themselves rather then google. But in this case its in the air unless they change their EULA

[@awesomekalin55]

They also didn't do anything about people literally reuploading Minecraft Bedrock to the play store, so...

[@Cygnus_MC]

@awesomekalin55 they did, but its litterally impossible to stop the thousands of people doing it

[@BinglesP]

That's just how companies are with bootlegs, like Nintendo for example. The reason why they don't bother taking down bootlegs is because it's a lost cause. Bootlegs are typically hard to legally track down because their makers typically have low, obscure profiles on purpose. Bootlegs also tend to target not only people who mistake it for the real thing, but a lot of their appeal comes from people who know they're counterfeit, yet buy them anyway because they couldn't afford the real product anyway, while potential customers are more likely to purchase the real thing if they have enough interest in it to know what is official for it or not. Things like fan games are made by people who put themselves out there to make them, so unfortunately they tend to get taken down first. Even super protective megacorps like Nintendo don't try to eliminate bootlegs because as soon as you try to, more will take their place, and are usually so obscure that they're not considered a threat, in the small chance they're even aware of their existence in the first place. AI Minecraft is much bigger than a bootleg on the notoriously approval-lenient Play Store. It's big enough to gain the attention of Microsoft, just like the video said. I hope that makes sense. You do have some point, but I thought I should mention as someone who has had interest in researching and discussing bootlegs of media.

[@sodapone]

Even if you actually try to take bootlegs to court, it can be hard to argue that you own a copyright and/or trademark on basic game mechanics, which oftentimes is all these bootlegs are really copying-this is why mechanics get patented instead, and even then patent lawsuits from major corporations are rare because they are slow, expensive, and you can lose them if you're not careful. Years ago PUBG tried to take bootlegs to court, but because they didn't actually have any legal ownership over the mere concept of a battle royale, they had to make insane legal arguments like "previous shooter games did not make use of a frying pan" which is patently untrue if you take even a passing glance at L4D or TF2. This would be a rather unusual case to take to court-no code or assets were stolen directly, but they are using the Minecraft trademark and their product clearly bears a very close resemblance to the real Minecraft. Microsoft might be able to take it on trademark grounds, as trademarks are intended to prevent confusion among consumers about whose product is whose.

[@scarm_rune]

i hate people who mindlessly hate ai but i also hate people who think it's a guaranteed money printer (techbros)

[@rat-tangle]

Most interesting thing i want to know, can you die in there? Because death is usually a result of doing something wrong and they probably fed It with "correct" Gameplay so this thing doesn't know what happens when you have 0 hearts.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Oh shit, thats actually a good point

[@zackhack_gamer2487]

It's also likely it displayed death screen at random, it hallucinates hearts at random so of course it would hallucinate that as well

[@iambored2006]

If you reach a point where the entire screen is black (which is possible if you focus more and more on dark areas until a feedback loop gets you there), you've essentially "died", because it's nigh impossible to get the AI to generate anything but black pixels out of black pixels.

[@TheRealLoopDev]

no, they can't train the ai just with mc footage, it needs keyboard input to make the next frame and it needs keyboard input to analyze the footage. they probably just recorded some people playing while recording their inputs

[@rat-tangle]

I wonder how many toasts i could make with amount of energy it takes to produce one second of this "game".

[@Cygnus_MC]

65,7. Take it or leave it

[@avuwep]

u can actually run oasis on your own computer, its only 500M parameters. it takes a lot more energy to train it tho

[@noxmore]

​@@avuwep According to their github, it's only a downscaled version.

[@racingraptor4758]

To be fair ,,Devs" of this game (or should I say dudes who made that AI model) probably don't look at the cost thinking that training this AI is more worth it long term cause ,,it might replicate Minecraft one day".

[@nilaier1430]

​@@racingraptor4758This is mainly an advertisement of their custom chips for running video generation AI to investors and companies like Luma, Runway and etc.

[@flamingscar5263]

I HIGHLY doubt they will be sued, more likely Microsoft, who's currently putting everything into AI, will purchase them with the deal of "we buy you or sue you, your choice"

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@flamingscar5263 fair point

[@m.k.outlaw3198]

As someone who trained decades to finally make some money with art, i am devided in what i think. Do i see my art in danger? Not at all, i can make art as much as i like, no matter if there is AI that can do it better or not. Most artist fear the loss of income, that may be true but it is also a fear almost everyone with a job has. But i am also not okay with the way AI is trained and used, you see the greed behind it and that also means we know how it will end. Systems based on greed will collapse sooner or later because they do not sustain themself, they just drain everything as fast as possible. Maybe fast in this case means 10 or 100 years but at some point the AI will run out of real art to copy from to create something of value. We can alrdy see that now. So maybe i just sit back, relax, draw more pictures with physical media instead on a Drawpad and my grandchildren get rich from selling real art in a world that has lost all artists :P

[@christiancinnabars1402]

If we're talking about GenAI taking over entire markets, it's thankfully kind of limited by the looming energy crisis its models are facing. Further iterations of GenAI models have to use up more and more excessive amounts of energy, to the point where, reportedly, ChatGPT currently uses up the equivalent energy of 33,000 average US houses. And the higher ups in charge aren't really bothering to focus R&D on make more efficient models. So GenAI seems to be on a destined path to wiping out all of its energy supply and peetering out very soon. The money being put into it can only pay off so much, and once it slams into a wall we can only guess at what will become of it. It's just a shame that who knows how many impoverished communities have to suffer that could have otherwise used the electricity and water the GenAI bubble is, and will be, soaking up before it pops.

[@TheLugiaSong]

I came here trying to learn what's happening code-side but while that's not what I got much of here I do really appreciate the sentiment of this video. AI is good for research and in matters where the people using the AI actually _understand_ what the AI is doing and is using it to find patterns quickly or perform linear work with set rules. I am worried, not only for people losing their jobs (and for models that barely work) but that companies will use it in place of doing actual research and creating their product with a human eye and actually understanding what it is they are doing. If AI does it all, who will be the expert in the topic? No-one, to make changes, they'll have to get AI to do it again. By then, the company could basically be replaced entirely with automation...

[@hanjoon_74]

You are right about the AIs being a tool, not a human replacement. I think that at the end of the day, the only winner would be those who used AI to enhance their work.

[@lethososdonkeypuncher6585]

Honestly, it's not true intelligence, just machine learning taken to an extreme. But I do agree that it needs to *just* be a tool, and not an end and all to everything. After all, it's easier to replace a corpo with a solid predictive algorithm.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@lethososdonkeypuncher6585 you're goddamn right

[@RngGm]

AI has been used as the name for pathfinding of enemies in games Wikipedia also says that intelligence has been defined many ways How would you define "true intelligence"?

[@shajidrahaman]

@@RngGm Not your intended responder but id say when it can think abstractly

[@RngGm]

@@shajidrahaman what does thinking abstractly mean?

[@musikalniyfanboichik]

ai is basically the meteor from "don't look up" movie. this is how i'm feeling about it as a prof. gamedev. but also i feel like you just can't stop the progress, so we are here to wait and watch for this thing to ruin everything. at least foe a while. maybe this will be like nft, where we realise it's shit and move on.

[@haiech]

dude that's exactly what I'm saying. AI is a tool and that's it. I'm into programming and here copilot is the big AI that everyone is either saying "wow this is a best thing ever" or "wow I would never use such evil". here's the thing, using AI for writing simple and tedious code is awesome. but if the code isn't simple, because AI is trained code on internet and most code is trash, if you use AI for complicated stuff and it does the job better than you, you're just a bad programmer. and let's say that's not true and AI can replace us in everything. then, what's the point of doing anything?

[@Donminiac-OFFCIAL]

wait, vertical slabs? did this AI was trained with cursed images?

[@Cygnus_MC]

That was also my question lmao

[@SSukram_]

5:39 Since the game uses real time input, i am assuming they recorded the gameplay themselves, because they had to record the gamplay alongside the keyboard inputs to train the ai. All the ai seems to be doing is taking the current frame, and showing what happens next based on the inputs you gave it, which is why keyboard inputs where needed at the same time so it knows how scenes change with certain input

[@crabbydisk7658]

We should replace CEOs with AI Models, they would surely make better decisions than whatever is happening in the tech world, right?... right?

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@crabbydisk7658 i mean replacing a 10 million dollar ceo with a 20k a month subscription doesn't sound too bad. Until they realise they cant blame the ai

[@antikommunistischaktion]

You don't want that. This has been experimented with and the AI was harsher to employees than the actual CEO.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@antikommunistischaktion this is why ill always fight for unions.

[@antikommunistischaktion]

@@Cygnus_MC unions over on this side of the pond kinda such tbk. I've heard they're much better in Europe.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@antikommunistischaktion they are, as you're required to have one when ur over 50 workers and its centralized. We get much more done

[@superangrybrit]

It's not my AI girlfriend. It's my AI waifu. Huge diff, buddy. 😎

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@superangrybrit fair point

[@ibrahimzonbia155]

I haven’t gone outside in 5 months 😎

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

Oh, joy of joys, it's locked behind a browser.

[@krazykaid]

You can download the source code

[@grogash90]

I don't know if they WILL sue because TBH I just don't understand the logic in some lawsuits or other legal actions like some cease and desists, but on the SHOULD they sue them kind of question, I would say no. They're not a competitors to their game, no one is playing this instead of MC, and based on the way this works it will never be because it doesn't store data, KZbinrs are not getting harmed, they probably will make a video or two, or stream the AI to make more content if anything else. I think the only objection is the access to the content it's been trained on so it's more on a principle level, but practically speaking I don't see why Mojang/Microsoft should bother with this to begin with

[@velocity_raptor]

2:08 "sure, we don't have flying cars yet" ever seen a plane or a VTOL or helicopter? idk how else to describe those other than aircraft or flying car

[@Cygnus_MC]

@velocity_raptor idk i more meant the typical car that flies

[@hinab]

they will most likely not get sued or anything, since they are technically not using any assets from minecraft, no code, no nothing just videos(or whatever dataset they used)

[@Happ1ness]

2:56 hate to be that guy, but actually... From what I know, LLMs have attention, which is a core part of them, allowing them to generate a next token depending on the previous ones. It has no memory if you don't feed the text back into its input, yes, but your current explanation is incorrect, I think. If you mean it can't go back to fix its previous tokens, then yes

[@wildtom]

1:19 Roger Roger

[@rch5395]

What a waist of energy and silicon.

[@Cygnus_MC]

I wouldnt say that fully, but yeah there are better things to do lmao

[@VeeFerns]

​@@Cygnus_MC i would say that fully

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@VeeFerns fair enough lmao

[@FestVors]

I think saying such things is kinda hypocritical Most of the internet is total waste of resources Just say f@ck ai and thats all

[@Key-Knight87]

@@VeeFerns that's hypocrisy tho. Literally most of the Internet could be considered a waste

[@awesomekalin55]

If they didn't sue people literally reuploading Minecraft to the Play Store, they aren't going to do anything about this

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@awesomekalin55 as i said at the end of the video, in all likelihood they can't win that case, unless they change their eula

[@Thunderbolt18367]

AI really put their goyslop all over Minceraft Hawk Tuah styled

[@the_nameless21]

How did we get here

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

Very rizzidi sigma of you to say

[@SSukram_]

4:18 Isnt it being bad kinda the appeal? The disappearing terrain and random behaviour is quite unique and you can't really find that anywhere as well done, if you want the perfect experience you are going to play the real thing, not an ai version

[@Cygnus_MC]

My question to that would be: Who "plays" this? I dont see this as a game, more a tech demo you can try out

[@SSukram_]

@Cygnus_MC there's a growing speed running community for this, mostly about getting to the nether but other categories exist. Other than that, yeah I have to agree

[@Cygnus_MC]

@SSukram_ ive seen that, but i doubt its a lasting trend. Besides that my hat is off to anyone even attempting it

[@SSukram_]

@@Cygnus_MC I wouldn't be surprised if this is shut down as soon as the player count starts to dwindle

[@RngGm]

Has anyone ever made a game with AI that you would play more than once?

[@Cygnus_MC]

@RngGm genuinely i dont know. Obviously every game has AI to some extend. But no generative ai

[@RngGm]

@@Cygnus_MC you overestimate how bad games can be and still be uploaded to the play store But yes, i meant generative AI

[@usersomethings]

Would you be sad if it gets taken down ​@Cygnus_MC

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@RngGm Again i have not played any so i dont know

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@usersomethings If u mean Oasis, i genuinely dont care too much

[@stuubbs]

The lore thickens

[@404maxnotfound]

1. They were not the first. That goes to Google with its GameNGen that "Played" doom. But I guess they can claim they where the first because doom isn't open world. 2. "World model" is basically an AI standard at least the modern ones implement some sort of memory cache into then next prompt. Oasis forgets as frequently as ChatGPT if not more. 3. It's not really real time, it's generating images at the same speed as other models, but uses visual tricks like smearing to make it look real time. 4. It's still under the hood doing the same exact thing as other ai image generators just the prompt changes when ever you press a key vs manually typing it out. 5. No "putting it in the oven" it can't get dramatically better then this. The reason why the UI looks so off its because each image it stole from had a different ui. So it can never consistently pick one. AI has a massive bottleneck in quality but cus of ai hype/capitalism it's rarely talked about. 6. Ultimatly this whole thing was marketing trick to advertise the company and the hardware it uses(even if it's not any different the competition). It's surprising how many people promoted it as revolutionary just cus it hid the ai prompt. It's no different then the Rabbit R1.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@404maxnotfound thank you for the clarification, when i found the world model paper by Ha and co i knew something was up.

[@himbo_kai]

thanks for the info! A friend told me about oasis and was trying to figure out how is was working behind the scenes. your point 4 gave me the explanation I was searching for

[@RePorpoised]

eh. AI is awkwardly used nowadays. Generative AI for arts purposes is ass, and it's clear that those who first came up with it were salivating too much at the possibilities to clear it with a functional ethics board. AI does have some good parts though, and those do not get mentioned. Most upscaling tools that upscale for cheap performance costs used the foundations of what grew into Gen AI to achieve that. Nvidia basically leaned into AI years before it went big, and it's been a fairly big component in making their raytracing so efficient. Raytracing is very expensive, and AI can take an input that calculates fewer points and with make a decent approximation of the final result. Let alone what's happening in specific research fields. but yeah, the public-facing front has been abysmal, and the results and the motives that drive them have been generally unimpressive.

[@dibyaudhdas1978]

that's same during gunpower usage, first industrial revolution, heavy machine uprising, etc> it's nothing new tbh. It's a phase of uncertainty of what's a flop and what's gonna work.

[@YigitCanAydinSS]

We need embeddium for this

[@NoenD_io]

Dont you hate that Mojang doesnt sue literall reupload on google play store but this has none of minecrafts code assets or models

[@Cygnus_MC]

No, i do not. Infact i feel it would be stupid for them to sue.

[@NoenD_io]

@Cygnus_MC why

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@NoenD_io For exactly the reason you just said

[@NoenD_io]

@Cygnus_MC but like people worked hard on the code and someone is just uploading it for free I understand for like archiving purposes but this is just not for that

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@NoenD_io Im talking about Oasis here, Mojang do persue reuploaders on the google store but there are so many of them that if they swat out 1. 3 others pop up, the issue is more google not veryfying its uploads

[@NeverCallEllis]

Generative AI is awful for the environment. Now I just have to imagine how much pollution a average session of this "game" produces

[@cir3875]

Source?

[@NeverCallEllis]

@cir3875 AI uses massive amounts of energy to run and most of it comes from burning fossil fuels which is a contributor to global warming, and the production of the metal used in AI hardware causes pollution

[@cir3875]

@NeverCallEllis provide me the website in which you've acquired this knowledge

[@NeverCallEllis]

@@cir3875 Google, that's where.

[@BinglesP]

The more popular videos call out AI for being stealing, grifting scum, and AI supporters as heartless leeches, the more I regain faith in humanity that the generative programs made me lose. /srs

[@Cygnus_MC]

@BinglesP the people who make ai arent grifters, just passionate. The people trying to sell it off as a replacement or better then human art are the corpo scumbags

[@EnjoyVoid]

Idk if I'm just wierd but I don't really care if I am listeing to ai music or read a ai generated text. As long as its the same quality. I am not an artist so I can't really relate. Might change my mind later dependning on how things will work out in the future.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Ur not, ive had ai music come across and i enjoyed one or two of them. But it cant really replace someone screaming at the top of their lungs about suffering lmao

[@EnjoyVoid]

@@Cygnus_MC i guess. I can't really understand lyrics, like I understand everyrhing, but once its put in a song, I just can't differentiate it when I dom't 100% focus on just the text. So I cannot really resonate with the lyrics thus I dom't care about it. As long as it sounds good I'm fine. Also I don't care about art (paintings and stuff) so that argument also flies out of the window for me.

[@MECKENICALROBOT]

6:41 yooooo! Let go!!!!! Print Production Specialist 🙌

[@Cygnus_MC]

Lets gooo

[@RayanShaikh-bf1gp]

Minecraft on columbian

[@kittech_]

yay free money

[@avuwep]

I personally think that OASIS is good. its free and open source, much faster than all other video generators, and able to be run locally on most modern computers. its a step in the right direction for the future of AI. Its not going to replace game designers because its clearly not a game, its a proof of concept for fast and interactive AI video models

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@avuwep if used as the tool its designed to be, i agreed

[@shajidrahaman]

@@Cygnus_MC Who is gonna use it to play free minecraft?

[@Cygnus_MC]

@shajidrahaman im not talking about that? Like at all. Noone is, its more that these types of programs have been used to replace working humans

[@scarm_rune]

​@@shajidrahamanme. i like experimenting

[@Key-Knight87]

@@shajidrahaman literally nobody? The "game" is so inconsistent, most of the people who play it are just doing it for fun...

[@fisch37]

09:43 Minor spelling mistake. Disliked, unsubbed, reported

[@Cygnus_MC]

@fisch37 ill report to the gulag commander

[@DissonantSynth]

Generative AI is a big step towards the unravelling of society

[@Byzantine-Revolt]

AI should only steal art from Twitter artists because they are annoying

[@ntgrv]

Its a cool product of complex engineering, and i'm simply tired of people whining and saying that this is useless and waste of silicon/water/energy. Generative AI was terrible and niche just a few years ago and same people were saying the same bullshit. Yes, the training part is controversial, but its a bad reason to entirely reject such a revolutionary technology. Good specialists will never get fully replaced if (when) they learn to use AI (where applicable). The only people who will get replaced are slop writers, slop artists, slop programmers, etc. If your work is so bad and soulless that it can be replaced by a single AI running on an RTX 4090 - you need to rethink your life choices.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Its deffo cool! Im fully with you on that. My only issue is again, art is something human. I personally have issues with it beeing replaced by a machine. Personally i see it more as a great tool for inspiration or assistance, but not replacement

[@ntgrv]

I often hear the words "ai is waste of energy" from people who think that the solution to that is "banning" AI, instead of building a gazillion nuclear reactors to safely and very effectively replace fossil/gas/solar/wind generators. I worry about the future of civilization.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@ntgrv eh i dont, i meet enough people that are in the middleground of the discussion. If i look at twitter or other places id think the same thing. But, its really not. Dont be to worried!

[@ntgrv]

​@@Cygnus_MC ​I think that AI is a great tool for "simple" tasks. It makes production cheaper, which is good for humanity. Yes, the production of slop becomes cheaper too (hi, monkey NFTs or whatever), but if you ever need a simple picture/sound/text for your product - just ask AI to do the boring part, and do the most valuable part by yourself. great vid btw, as usual

[@rat-tangle]

​@@ntgrvactually this is not just a waste of energy. It is inferior technology that is presented as "progress" When it just an attempt to make money in cheapest way possible. In addition to energy use it profits of vulnerable people who unable to protect themselves from theft. And I couldn't forget some Vietnamese person that paid less than a cent for filtering of all the images that used in development of those programs.