As someone who flys a fairly heavy wing loaded airplane, i 100% agree with a continuous base to final turn.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
It just makes for such a smoother transition/approach
@swimbikeruntoday Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That's one way to solve the base to final turn issue... get rid of the base leg. Egg shaped patterns.
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
I think you meant to say "downwind to final turn."
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@@philipmartin708 yeah, lol
@jimmydulin928 Жыл бұрын
Good job, Joe, with what can unfortunately happens when we think we have to pull on the stick in turns. We don't. Crop dusters and gunship pilots know that turn of any bank angle can be be made at 1 g simply by allowing the nose to go down as designed (dynamic neutral stability). The design of the airplane is to fly, not to stall. The airplane cannot stall unless the pilot or computer is pulling on the stick. No stall, no spin, no problem. Release back pressure in steep turns (actually any turn) in the pattern. Good job with the illustrations.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
An aircraft cannot make a turn without increasing its lift when it's banked. This is so basic.
@MisterTechnologic2 ай бұрын
@@philipmartin708 It can if you aren't maintaining altitude, which is what he is saying. If you allow the plane to drop you don't add any load factor and overload the wings, so you CAN in fact make a turn without increasing lift, you'll just lose altitude.
@jakemyers5585 Жыл бұрын
Another possible point to take note of is to keep your decent constant in the turn, and don’t subconsciously put in excessive back pressure. Keep That wing unloaded! Liking this little series on accelerated stalls and aoa related stuff, very educational!
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And yeah I should have made it more of a point to mention the constant descent. In my my head I know what I mean but then get dementia when the Camera is rolling, lol
@jakemyers5585 Жыл бұрын
@@Bananasssssssss haha! I could never be as comfortable as you in front of a camera. That’s what we’re all here for!
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@@jakemyers5585 my wife says I look miserable and have no personality and People won’t wanna watch 😂.
@jakemyers5585 Жыл бұрын
@@Bananasssssssss well next time tell her 15,000 people don’t think so😂
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@jakemyers5585 😂😂
@billroberts9182 Жыл бұрын
Two rules have kept me alive: 1. Keep the ball centered except when performing an anti-spin maneuver (slip- but not a skid!) 2. Never do low altitude 360 degree turns (like looking at moose or sheep horns, etc.). Do a fly-by followed by a 180 turn referring to your instruments and attitude. The fly-by again. In Alaska, many experienced pilots have died from a so-called "moose stall".
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
I heard that term but never knew why they called it that! Now I do! Ha. Thank you!
@SoloRenegade Жыл бұрын
nothing wrong with 360 turns. 5deg bank 360 10deg bank 360 3deg bank 360 15deg bank 360 etc. speed and coordination matter too. but shallow 360 turns are so benign.
@billroberts9182 Жыл бұрын
@@SoloRenegade Of course a 360 can be performed at low altitude- but it is a fact many very experienced pilots have died doing it, and another fact is if your attention is focused outside of the aircraft- staring at a set of horns- you can lose situational awareness and subconciously kick your rudder a bit to get the strut out of your view- boom you are along for the ride to a terminal event! Things are made worse if you are in the mtns/canyon where you lack a horizon . Easy to bled your airspeed off. At sufficient altitude- no problem.
@SoloRenegade Жыл бұрын
@@billroberts9182 you also can't get a pilot license or commercial license without doing it (maneuvering low level, doing turns). If you can't maintain control of your airplane, surrender your license. I'm a CFI, I don't need a lecture from you. I'm also an aerospace engineer and design airplanes.
@billroberts9182 Жыл бұрын
@@SoloRenegade I doubt you do 360’s at LOW ALTITUDE! That is what can get you into trouble. If you read my post, I,m referring to low altitude 360’s. I know two very good cub pilots (in separate crashes) that died doing exactly that. One was looking at a walrus in the surf and one was apparently looking at some Dahl sheep. Another acquaintance was doing 360 over a sheep- he apparently hit his wake turbulence- partially stalled and clipped the top of some spruce trees. It was his idea about LOW ALTITUDE fly bys rather than 360’s- which I wholeheartedly embrace. You want to do LOW ALTITUDE 360’s? Just do it by yourself so you don’t kill an innocent!
@TheSoaringChannel Жыл бұрын
I love on the edge of stall+spin the entire time I'm soaring. The issue, as I've witnessed during soaring flight, seems to be the overbank caused by the inward rudder input. As you apply the inward (dirt side) rudder: you induce overbanking. You naturally will want to oppose the overbank with aileron. This causes the angle of attack of the inner wing to increase (increasing drag and increasing yaw rate) and the outer wing AOA to decrease (decreasing drag and increasing the yaw rate) - this increased yaw rate causes even more overbank. The pilot applies more aileron - and SNAP - around and over you go, before you can do a thing about it. I'll post a reply to my comment of a video that demonstrates this incredibly well. The only difference being the yaw string is used instead of a slip/skid ball. Having lived on the edge of stall+spin for hours on end of every flight I take has really brought an understanding to why it's so easy to do in the pattern. The key ingredient is to overstand that it doesn't happen because the pilots get slow. It's because they load the wing up with AOA turning final or turning back after an engine failure.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Well said
@TheSoaringChannel Жыл бұрын
@@Bananassssssssshere's the video. I bet you'll like this dude. I wish I was this comfortable with ACTUALLY spinning at 2000' 😂 guys voice is so confident and calm that it chills me out while he's doing these demos. Step on the skyward rudder... No spinny spin. LoL kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2fLaJaOasmSgtksi=SoOqA3aYMtNn1Pl_
@TheSoaringChannel Жыл бұрын
@@Bananasssssssssone technique I teach students about the pattern is to pull their runway side (earth side) foot off the pedal a bit so they aren't tempted to use it in the pattern. If you gotta slip... That's fine once you're on final. They're not Bananassssssssssssssssssss - yet 🤪
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@@TheSoaringChannel 😂😂😂
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't your glide ratio go way down while flying on the edge of a stall? I understand the value of flying it on the edge of a stall while you're thermalling, but the entire time you're soaring?
@joefinn1100 Жыл бұрын
Excellent description, analysis, and demonstration. Good reminder of the go-around option.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe!
@Coops777 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe. You contribute much to both the love and safety of aviation.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Appreciate that!
@joelweyhe68013 ай бұрын
Just a really good, straight-forward explanation with great supporting graphics. I enjoy your videos. You make flying the J-3 seem more relaxing than flying my no-flap 150 HP Citabria. That bugger takes a bit of muscle.
@Bananasssssssss3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@mbrane Жыл бұрын
Thanks for yet another insightful video!
@rapinncapin1232 ай бұрын
Great video sir
@Bananasssssssss2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@JW-gb6hq Жыл бұрын
Good insight on a very important phase of flight.
@zakhaselmo37414 ай бұрын
Good stuff.
@my_models_oficial Жыл бұрын
Happened to us a few weeks back in a172... ...Went around immediately
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Best way to deal with it 👍🏻
@johnmajane3731 Жыл бұрын
We used to intentionally stall in skidding turns. Fun going over the top
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
Going over the top from a skidding turn? I think not.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@@philipmartin708 that’s what happens when you stall in a skidding turn
@johnmajane3731 Жыл бұрын
@@philipmartin708 for fun. Great in a champ.
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
Well this statement contradicts everything you said and showed in the video. A plane will break over the top from a slipping turn, not a skidded turn. @@Bananasssssssss
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@@philipmartin708 I feel like you’re just messing with me now, lol. Nothing happens when you stall in a slip, lol. It’s almost exactly like stalling straight and level
@nyboardsports Жыл бұрын
Neat little software visualizations
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
In a skidding turn the bottom wing DOES NOT have an increased AOA compared to the top wing. It has less AOA than the top wing. That's why you have to hold some outside aileron to keep it from banking even more.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
This is not correct, on a skidding turn (or in a skidding turn I should say) the bottom, inside wing has a greater AOA than the top one. The overbanking tendency is because outer wing is traveling faster.
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
Wanna bet? Look at the illustration on page 126 of STICK and RUDDER. @@Bananasssssssss
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@@philipmartin708 give me until tomorrow, lol. I’ll look but books in the hangar.
@philipmartin708 Жыл бұрын
@@Bananasssssssss Well, here it is, tomorrow night. Crickets.
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
@philipmartin708 I turned to page 126, you’re still incorrect lol
@gonflying11 ай бұрын
If you maintain airspeed and coordination you can bank the airplane as steep as you want in the pattern. Look at crop dusters, there's nothing special about the airplane but the pilot maintains airspeed and coordination. THE AIRPLANE DOESN'T KNOW HOW HIGH IT IS! I teach Spins every day and I emphasize how to bank the aircraft steep in the pattern by carrying enough airspeed, 1.5 × stall speed in the base to final and keeping the ball centered.
@peterthoshinsky646818 күн бұрын
Is the airspeed/pitot tube unreliable when it is on the "blanked" side of the aircraft?
@Bananasssssssss18 күн бұрын
@@peterthoshinsky6468 more so than “unblanked side” but both will be a little in accurate
@thomasabramson100 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe funny how many people dont understand the "go around" is the best way to get another chance at a stabilized approach sure you've seen the you tube videos of some commercial and GA pilots who feel they jam the landing no matter if there's wind shear , turbulence or crosswinds
@Bananasssssssss Жыл бұрын
Yup, always much easier to just go around
@seamoreplant11 ай бұрын
At first I thought this was an AI rendering because I don’t think I have ever seen an airplane land like that!