The Spectator Debate: Should Britain leave the EU?

Dan Hannan, Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey make their case for Brexit. Whilst Nick Clegg, Liz Kendall and Chuka Umunna argue that Britain is better off remaining a part of the European Union. Andrew Neil chairs.
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[@Dunnlrs]

Daniel Hannans speech was superb, simply brilliant.

[@psychominded3243]

+1

[@ematt1603]

A class act, very articulate and speaks sense!!

[@SometimesInnocent]

r

[@lewispitts9448]

+Dunnlrs This man needs to be on the live tv debate

[@earthstick]

+Dunnlrs Do people still think Boris should be the leader of the conservative party when there is Daniel Hannan?

[@josealonso9101]

Nigel Farage is an absolute legend. Without him, Britain would never have seen this referendum.

[@elliotthemsworth2390]

I loved the part when he lied about sending the money to the nhs. Absolutely legend

[@elliotp9638]

@@DarkLight753 They're going to be crying about it years after we leave

[@cheradenine3672]

His name will certainly be in the history books. Chuck, nick and liz?? I doubt it somehow.

[@aidanthompson5053]

hello

[@moodobusiness]

Agreed, however 7 out of 10 for Nigel on this event 9 out of 10 for Dan Hannan this time round. I think Hannan hit it out the park

[@catleugh]

That was torture. I forced myself to listen to Nick Clegg, because I believe it's important to listen to both sides of an argument. I'm feeling traumatised.

[@barrytruth5310]

+Dave Catleugh Just what I was thinking, I had forgotten just how irritating his voice is,credit to him though he never used the pulling the drawbridge up and cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world line that he is famous for, I say lets get the hell out, go Nige

[@marksavage1108]

go and watch him losing his MPs seat, he is still boring but its highly entertaining, kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4mym42vesiHjc0

[@UrbanPlumbers]

Liz Kendall does an amazing job at persuading people to vote leave.

[@Laneykl4lyf]

+Simon Czaban So does Umunna, I don't think it's possible to come across as more smug.

[@conner5137]

Morgan Paulett just because she’s a woman doesn’t mean it’s sexist LOL where was the word woman mentioned

[@BedsitBob]

@@conner5137 Nor is calling her a Communist, sexist. Morgan Paulett must've taken the Dianne Abbott course on sexism and racism.

[@ciaranmarsh255]

Nigel Farage did an amazing job at persuading people to vote remain.

[@arranhawksworth7441]

@@ciaranmarsh255 clearly wasn’t good enough at it then 😂😂😂

[@emconitegamez5566]

I'm American so it is not my place to pick that is up to the British people, but I got to say hopefully Britain leaves the EU. -much love from America

[@theSFCchannel]

Thank you for your respectful comment, however we wont be the last to leave the E.U. Britain leaving is the beginning of the end of the German fourth Reich...i mean E.U project :D

[@philslater7474]

And now we have! Ii hope my friend from across the pond is well...and your political fortunes..fair better sir...

[@plumberman4u]

2021 & I've got a BIG smile.

[@IssacharGR]

A few years on....i thank you for your best wishes. Now its time for us Brits to wish you well in a troubled time. I find it hard to comprehend how a seemingly corrupt befuddled man is now leader of the free world. Forgive me if your a democrat...But I'm literally praying that your nation wakes up - and walks away from wokist, globalist surrender.

[@thandocezula9219]

And it's going horribly!

[@towenaar4142]

Leave completely smashed this debate.

[@serenashaw-q3y]

The Remain side sound like a 6th form debate; the "B" team.

[@TKudsi]

Liz Kendall comes across as some petulant teenager. She's totally unfit to be debating in this argument and has in all likelihood convinced a fair number of viewers to switch to Vote Leave. Her colleagues weren't much better. I'd be truly ashamed if I was a member of the Remain campaign and saw these three buffoons debating in my name.Daniel Hannan, whom I'd never heard of before this debate, on the other hand was absolutely phenomenal, highly polished, intelligent and articulate and genuinely hilarious.

[@WirelessKFC]

+Tarek K what did you expect from an indoctrinated feminist ideologue?

[@simonashley8914]

+WirelessKFC or Nick "let down" Clegg, trivial idiot.

[@TheClunkingFist]

TK, never heard of your next Prime Minister? Well: now you know! :^)

[@slinkerdeer]

The leave side is far more well done than stay, first of all the first one to represent leaving (Nigel Farage), knew his speech without the need for a piece of paper, that says a lot.

[@Davesmyname08]

From a fellow European, of Swedish nationality: You lead and we'll follow. You leave and we'll follow. Please leave, please open the gate for us others.

[@sabertooth676]

leave why, sweden is your country..you decide your future, not eu, who have lied.miss trused, jobs, housing, medical,immigration

[@Davesmyname08]

stephen thomas Yours is a nation of 60 million, mine is a nation of 9 million. Yours is a nation that imports up to 40% of the EU's exported goods, mine 3-5%. If we leave the EU first, they could deny us a new trade deal (which they most likely would) and it would not be disastrous for the EU economy, it would also be a great argument for your "stay in the EU" crowd: - "Hey look at Sweden, they left and now they ain't getting any trade". So no you have to go first. "We're all a bunch of dominoes glued to the floor, therefor we need a big domino with a lot of weight to fall first and uproot us all."

[@theSFCchannel]

@@Davesmyname08 erm You leave the Germany controlled state of the E.U and we will trade with you.remember the UK is going to be part of CANZUCK soon, which will dwarf the E,U

[@xavierkelsomacleod4066]

@@Davesmyname08 and now we have left

[@stephenasbridge878]

Daija Hayden We’re happy to have obliged. Good luck with Swexit!!!🇬🇧🇸🇪🇬🇧🇸🇪🇬🇧🇸🇪

[@petitmeowmeow]

Nick Clegg's sheer presence damages the remain campaign.

[@talonpop]

No joke lol

[@abatesnz]

Yes, they should have made more use of such beloved figures as Michael Weaseltine, John Major-Quisling, Alistair Campbell & Peter Mandelson. ;-)

[@stephenasbridge878]

Now he’s at Facebook….🙄

[@serenityinside1]

What “ presence “ ? He has none - ditto personally.

[@Freddie5150]

remain must be desperate to keep Hannan away from the televised debates. he was the standout performer.

[@igorkurtz3843]

The Brexit side is so passionate, so brave and positively brash, they're fantastic. Dan Hannan's opening was fantastic. While the other side just seems like they don't even believe they're own words. I'm not a Brit, but i wish you all the best. I want you to leave the EU behind and continue the path to greatness and prosperity.

[@ronnieswoleman4290]

+Igor Kurtz "While the other side just seems like they don't even believe they're own words." They enjoy the massive payoffs, though.

[@bralmuttaqi5194]

+Igor Kurtz Yes, we are passionate, brave, positively brash, fantastic, and more importantly we are on the right side, and on the right argument, because the EU institution as a result of being undemocratic is really entangled in mess that only getting worse and worse. Thats why I am convinced that on 23rd of June we will prevail. Bye bye Juncker

[@SteveFusionX]

+Igor Kurtz great comment, thank you! We're going to need a miracle to leave though... the odds are stacked massively against us and all the bookies are putting it as a dead-cert almost that we remain .

[@ritashaw7678]

+SteveFusionX That's cos they're better at summing up horses than people.

[@GloryCarrier22]

@@SteveFusionX the bookies lost a FORTUNE didn't they?

[@markdamen730]

dan hannon was bloody brilliant

[@clarkedarren241]

But he tried to take the victory of brexit, he never did he sufed off nigel's wave I never even heard of him I remember after the brexit vote he distended him self from nigel and tried to take the credit asshole.

[@rtlinson]

Vote to LEAVE and let's free ourselves from the idiotic bureaucrats of the socialistic monolith of the EU

[@BlingSco]

Socialism means helping society. What's wrong with that?

[@rtlinson]

BlingSco - Nothing wrong with helping OUR society, NOT others. And certainly not helping the one-track minded bureaucrats to fulfil their dreams. BREXIT..! Bloody leftie...

[@sandervb3732]

+Aleksy Sogliani yes but he was a marxist socialist. Most socialists are pro-banks and marxists are idiots by default. Capitalism is bad too. I'm not from the UK so I haven't got a clue which party I'd vote for, but I totally agree with Nigal on his views on the EU. The EU is undemocratic, it's turning nations into states. It needs to stop before we turn into the United States of Europe.

[@m.browne2548]

+sander van beek "pro banks".... (facepalm)..........obviously he had to have a national bank but not a evil ROTHSCHILD bank

[@Iazzaboyce]

+RogerGT This is our future! We must get every vote - everyone that wants the UK to be an independent country must start work now! Get proxy votes from anyone who will not be able to vote (I just got my wife's as she's out of the UK on polling day - just write to the council). Talk to family and friends and explain the importance get them to promise to vote write their names on a list and on polling day knock on their door and drive them to the polling station!

[@yeovil50]

Why is it when ever the immigrant argument comes up people like "Umunna" have to start " Look - I am the son of an immigrant " as if that gives you a higher degree of knowledge on the subject ! We couldn't give a fuck !!

[@BlingSco]

It's because imgrations is beneficial to our economy.

[@yeovil50]

BlingSco Depends which person you get to do the report . I can find you some that says it isn't !!

[@KucheKlizma]

Like the - look I am from North Ireland - for the Ireland/Scotland argument?

[@DJbassrevolution]

BlingSco No immigration is beneficial to the immigrants and multinational corporations operating in western countries. I have never understood how people can be moronic enough to hold the position you seem to hold. Answer me this my friend how does the influx of low skilled labor benefit citizens fighting for those same jobs? On that same note if you think that low skilled labors will go to school and become higher skilled labors or you think that we are importing higher skilled labors how does an influx of that labor benefit those fighting for those same or similar positions? More competition for jobs doesn't make life better for you it forces you to get more education which is likely unneeded for the position you are going for and forces you to have less certainty of a job. The idea's you have to hold in your head to believe mass immigration is good for the middle class are preposterous and down right maddening.

[@hauskalainen]

If you vote leave you will suddenly become an immigrant at every EU border point. That has not happened since we joined the EU in 1972. Get used to long wait times at immigration; the need to get a one-time Schengen visa before your visit (cost 30€ or 60€ depending on what gets negotiated); questions about purpose of visit; having to show your return ticket; the reminders that you cannot do paid work nor outstay your 4 weeks permit; And do not expect to be compensated for costs when you miss your connecting bus or flight because you won't get any. You must expect delays at the EU border because suddenly you will have become an IMMIGRANT.

[@cardermedia]

I find Chuka Umunna very condescending. Like he's a frustrated, opinionated student that thinks everyone is wrong apart from him. It's a simple decision, just vote the OPPOSITE of what Cameron and Clegg want....and you're doing the right thing for this country. Only problem I can foresee is, if there's no EU control over us....does that mean that George Osborne can shaft us even MORE with no Brussels to intervene?

[@Mark_Bickerton]

+Paul C Well the thing about democracy is that you can at least vote for someone else if you dont like Osbourne. You cannot remove a single person involved in the formulation of laws pouring from the EU

[@AntPDC]

Ummuna is a despicable champagne "socialist". He knows NOTHING about the working class, never had a job that has exposed him to those realities. He invokes his background as misdirection, as "virtue signalling": he simply saw a lucrative job as a career politician and has pursued it energetically. Well, his ambition got rather wrecked after the last election, didn't it?

[@rprice3485]

U gunna lube up for Gideon?

[@flammenjc]

Great attitude.

[@AntPDC]

Flammen. Who is Gideon? Osborne?

[@a-ian-lim]

American here, I support your exit of the EU. Don't continue to subjugate yourself to a bunch of un-elected bureaucrats.

[@a-ian-lim]

+Theres No God. just like your name?

[@a-ian-lim]

+Theres No God I feel sorry for you. so much hate. you don't like yourself much do you?

[@a-ian-lim]

Theres No God someone so quick to knock someone else's beliefs shows they are clearly insecure about something. You go the extra mile though, and stereotype an entire nation, and insult the majority of the people in this world. stop the self-hate already, don't let it fester.

[@a-ian-lim]

Theres No God so the question now is, someone as vile as you, probably benefits somehow from the EU. You probably work for one of those un-elected Bureaucrats don't you?

[@MsTendus]

His not gonna right a essay about it. It is a youtube comment he said all he needed too. I am guessing you do not like it because you support the EU. I am sick of being treated this way by mainlanders if they honestly think the EU is a good democratic thing then they obviously have no idea what democracy is and our beyond helping. We are better of with the commonwealth and improving relations with America once Obama pisses of. Plus this has nothing to do with religion so stop bringing it up.

[@Mark_Bickerton]

At the end of Daniel Hannans speech, I though the three remainers were going to say, Stop the debate, you're right, lets vote leave!

[@maureenfox6921]

Happy 7

[@serenityinside1]

Never underestimate the power of brainwashing, it’s another religion-, and we know how religious people are against the power of facts ... the power of denial 🙄

[@marcburman]

Dan Hannan gave best speech I have ever heard on the case for Brexit! Amazing!

[@MGVELO]

Fear not fellow Brits. Our Britain will be Great once more. Britain WILL leave the EU. It IS going to happen. June 23rd 2016 will be a date our children and their children will learn of in schools the date Britain took control of its own destiny.

[@Molhedim]

@MG Velo it will be known as the day their parents and grandparents fucked things up for the new generation.

[@MrStoneyburke]

@@alfredthegreat6591 By left i mean - detached from the reality of the sane World. Delusional madness is the Order of the Day in Britain.

[@altelf3079]

@@MrStoneyburke Can you elaborate on that?

[@petercook1291]

sadie power 😂😂😂😂😂 ah bless

[@user-vu1xy7uc1p]

Farage for PM

[@user-vu1xy7uc1p]

who is a good alternative?

[@dittocatchthem]

+a Farage isn't seeing this from the correct perspective, he is using this for anti immigration which it will effect but not as much as he thinks... but that doesn't make him any less right, we need to leave EU for good.

[@m.browne2548]

+Morgan Paulett "Tories multiplied by 100", all PM's thatt were tories came from ETON, nigel farage doesnt come from ETON.......

[@Reallaw-p8o]

+Steve Rhodes it's not anti imagration. it's anti controlled imagration. It's called common sense not xenophobia or racism. I have several very close eastern European friends here in the UK who actually totally agree with me. They say imagration is widely out of control.

[@m.browne2548]

Morgan Paulett of course that would be bad, i think about these things: -Immigration -Climate change -Public Services -TTIP -EU -Union -Terrorism -Economy -NATO/WTO i mean i could go on on, and so could you.... so when you said: "very bad thing to take into account when voting" i was refering to you saying: "he would just be the Tories times 100" To say that would mean YOU are jumping to conclusions. That would be a bad thing to do when voting

[@no1froggy]

I notice Nick Clegg didn't bring a spade with him this time, Perhaps it's because the last time he tried to debate the EU against the likes of Nigel Farage he dug himself such a deep hole he nearly popped out on Bondi Beach.

[@scotthopkins7711]

OUT OUT OUT

[@scotthopkins7711]

+setthatcowonfire yes yes it seems to me like the young students will vote too stay in brainwashed by the scare stories that keep coming out. I mean look they are saying can we still go in the Eurovision Song Contest if we pull out of the EU this is scare mongering rubbish. Plus if they let Turkey good bye Britain we will be undated with migrants. Stupid rules being made against my will. Power of a Hoover and a toaster. Can't deport people because it's against there human rights. The amount of money we spend on the EU we could do so much more here for us this island not somewhere else. OUT OUT OUT

[@DataSerpent]

Its epic when Nigel is first called, he leaves his far left podium and takes center stage!!!! GO NIGEL!!!! GO UKIP!!!! CHEERS!! FROM AMERICA!!!!!!!!

[@silverman824]

I hope the British people stand up for their country and leave the sinking ship and the failed project known as the European Union... Take control of your future Britain!

[@helentrove620]

+Mr Black I hope so too, sadly, I think so many are just blind sheep, ready to jump over the cliff following whatever lies our idiot government are feeding them.

[@silverman824]

I mean do the public know who these people in power are in the EU? who elected em? No one, they just took power and control us and regulate everything we do. If the public can't see this simple reality then we are in trouble! I can't wait for voting day and stamp my pride in my country and vote LEAVE! We got less than 40 days to hope some of these sheep open their eyes!

[@KILLAGORILLA7000]

+Mr Black Amen people! Spread the word! Can you feel it? ;)

[@MrAndroidData]

we did , and we have

[@bobybobuiouiho]

Was a shit idea then and even worse now we have more information, must admit it's impressive how they got people to vote against their own interests

[@dollyjeanstevens]

Have a look at the retainers looking at their notes when Nigel and the rest speak from the heart and look forward into the audience, vote out!!

[@160589005]

British people, if you ever want to become Great Britain again please leave the European Union and show the other countries that you are perfectly capable making your own decisions. Maybe my country will come to its senses and leave this madness.

[@160589005]

***** The Netherlands

[@theinquiryplease4404]

+Waarom? I met a fantastic elderly man in the States last month, who moved away from the Netherlands.... he went to go visit his home town again, but he didn't like what he saw. He said he's worried about the immigration, and the people who are in his country now.

[@160589005]

The Inquiry Please It's about the same as in the UK. Rural areas and smaller towns are fine. Cities have become very multicultural. When I was growing up crime was something you would see in movies. Nowadays our immigrant gangs are becoming more hostile. Last month a guy got decapitated and they just left his head on the busy streets of Amsterdam. Immigration is the worst thing that has happend to our country.

[@dogseggs2000]

+Waarom? I cross my fingers for us both to leave and trigger a snowball like collapse of the entire project.

[@160589005]

+wricey You're absolutely right. It's ridiculous that we are within a union with countries that are economically and culturally so different. The U.K and Netherlands have stronger economies and will always be net contributers within the union. Our governments imposed austerity policies on our economies, trying to fix the deficit, but it won't make any difference if we have Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Spain and Italy dragging us down.

[@chobinchobinchobin]

Wow, that Dan Hannan speech. Spine-tingling stuff!

[@Clickie13]

wow look how hard Remain struggled to find a POSITIVE reason to stay in!

[@serenityinside1]

Exactly!! 😊

[@wheelzwheela]

Leave and save your self before it's too late (if it isn't already too late). I'm Canadian so my opinion doesn't matter much.

[@Gekite]

All leave opinons are welcomed, especially from those of the former empire ;)

[@wheelzwheela]

+Gekite Thanks.

[@wheelzwheela]

+Gekite Thanks.

[@MsTendus]

The EU forced us to turn our backs on the commonwealth, I really hope if we leave the EU we go back to closer relations with them if we were ever to form a union it always should have been Canada aus and nz but the dam traitor in government hate us and the commonwealth splitting them up and weakening them it is a huge shame really.

[@willt6551]

Yes the UK and my country USA have issues now and its only going to escalate if trump becomes president

[@dogrob1973]

Nick Clegg really needs to just give up. Seriously poor performance from all the in campaign #boring #voteOUT

[@AtomAntTC]

31:14 Wow Wow Wow ! Daniel Hannans speech blew me away - I can't remember a time when a politician stirred my British soul like that. . It had been suppressed and nullified by the European project of which I have never felt part of as I have always been British and always will be. Just like the French will always be French etc . Truly inspirational !

[@TheRealAko]

This should have been on prime time tv, or even better posted to 27 million households.

[@bliss9654]

Post it to Facebook and ask ppl to share.

[@freetikikum9479]

I was thinkin exactly the same thing. That guy works on daily politics for the bbc so why wasn't it on bbc1??? They don't want the people to see how much support vote leave has so they hide it and only give the air time to the remainians.

[@KINGOFKUNGFUAMP]

Hannan and farage winning once again

[@biskitz86913]

+KINGOFKUNGFUAMP You can't beat common sense

[@funtimes3090]

Its not about winning its about whats best for the country and trust me those two don't have our interestes at heart.

[@bliss9654]

Richard Wellfare, yeah because Neil kinnoc and Tony Blair does

[@andyb438]

Leave = Democracy Remain = Dictatorship

[@HardCounter]

You have to know that your side is a pack of shit when Farage is on it

[@andyb438]

Cameron love school boys, really loves them

[@jacksonbrown4112]

+stefanos2691 well that isn't true at all.

[@andyb438]

Stefanos, your name offends me, I''m going to report it and go sit in my safe space.

[@MarcoPolo1967]

Too true.

[@Enviouskibbles]

Nick Cleg just embarrasses himself

[@JoshuaMSP1995]

Farage was superb, as ever, but Hannan was utterly stupendous. The three on the Remain side out of their depth and clearly outclassed.

[@OsweebMosley]

I pray Hannan joins UKIP after the referendum. What a coup that would be.

[@purplephoenix1489]

Brexit

[@nrjelley]

By the way Farage and Hannan are the dream team!

[@nrjelley]

+Leroy Jenkins Indeed. Two patriots who love their country.

[@biskitz86913]

+TruePrinceOfWales True and I though Hoey was brilliant in the opening speeches too

[@biskitz86913]

Jim Knight Well thats true but Id rather have some lefties with us on this to dispell the myth that you have to be rightwing nutter to want out, know what I mean?

[@Jammil2477]

I'd like to see Daniel Hannan debate the prime minister, Cameron would be shredded, he'd use fear, terror and lies to keep us in. Hannan would use eloquence, conviction and passion of argument to get us out!

[@musicmusic6595]

+Toza hannan is the best hands down, if not him then steven woolfe imo

[@georginasmith441]

Daniel Hannan - should be Prime Minister!

[@romevo100]

Everything Farage has said, for the last decade as come true. They all laughed at him, and dismissed him as a idiot, fruit cake, then the racist card was played when he got stronger. I'm fed up with these rich political elite, rich celebrities, far left wing loonies telling us what to do. Vote leave.

[@davebolton4269]

Definitely OUT! Lets give our future generations the freedom they deserve

[@caelan8819]

Dave Bolton, but not freedom of movement.

[@bolletaf]

this didnt age well did it?

[@davebolton4269]

Freedom of movement for who?

[@davebolton4269]

We still have freedom of movement.

[@TonyDSD]

Objectively these are the two sides; Protectionist, federalist, bureaucratic, centralized,, open borders, United States of Europe supporters versus direct democracy, free trade, nation-state, Britain, libertarian, sovereign, supporters. That is the choice in this referendum. Choose which you are and vote that way. That sums it up. That's it. You're done. See you on the 23rd of June. Fingers crossed for Brexit.

[@LolLol-ch7sl]

+Tony de Lacey haha very well said, go bye to the Soviet Union, sorry European Union.

[@BinnyBongBaron_AoE]

Look at Farage, immediately taking to the front of the stage to make his case. What a living legend.

[@moover123]

Everyone who is for democracy HAS to vote leave! This is fact, just keep it in mind Britains.

[@BeniSinca]

you literally don't have any idea what democracy means.

[@boxinghistory82]

commies made a good job brainwashing you if you think that when you are about to become a slave means democracy ...you are a long way of understand the real values of democracy !

[@moover123]

+Beni Sinca You literally did not understand my comment at all.

[@moover123]

+saveka are you talking to me? Does my comment really sound like I'm against democracy?

[@boxinghistory82]

it really does, mate ! sorry if I offended you in some way but that how it sounds

[@WhollyMowly]

Vote Leave, make sure Hannan is on the stage at Wembley

[@Spenner56]

+WhollyMowly ...and Kate Hoey. Both were fantastic speeches!

[@WhollyMowly]

+Spenner56 I want to hear more from Geisla Stewart

[@mathewlpn]

+WhollyMowly Hannan is awesome, but he did want a double referendum, which i don't agree with.

[@katherine101able]

Preserving the thousands of years of a noble British history and culture is more important than going for a grand fantasy.

[@lapalad]

I'm an Aussie and did laugh out loud when Nigel said " Which is novel for the Aussies" after stating that people with criminal records can't get into Australia.

[@abatesnz]

I'm a Kiwi who used to work at ANZ in Sydney. I hated it when we had to stop with teasing, which included Kiwi-Aussie banter. The misery guts crowd don't realise that it's affectionate teasing.

[@lapalad]

@@abatesnz I lived in a small town in Wales and when people asked me what's an Australian doing living here I would reply " They're sending the convicts back"

[@dukeickthorn1711]

"If you were a eurocrat you would make them vote again until they get the right result" --> Ireland

[@funkyheadZOMG]

+Leonardo Surely not, I would've thought Ireleave was catchier.

[@Iazzaboyce]

+funkyhead Eirexit

[@funkyheadZOMG]

Iazzaboyce Eirection.

[@XxTeAmDaRkxX]

+Duke Ickthorn i hope you dont leave :( we love you Ireland we can both get rid of scotland!!

[@BABYLON467]

+Duke Ickthorn im irish we had nice treaty 1 we said no we then had nice 2 we said no again then again with some revision the lisbon treaty! ( why not nice 3 third time a charm ) no to lisbon ha then again they gave another chance to get it right because we were anti european simply because they forgot ireland destroyed our banking to cover dodgy european greedy banks there are several thousand women and childern homeless in ireland thanks to europe they said vote for lisbon 2 and we promise jobs for ireland jobs for ireland jobs for ireland that was several years ago newsflash there was no jobs none that europe

[@77thNYSV]

Where was the EU when Britain was an empire? Britain didn't need an EU to rule the world. I'm not British but I hope Britain leaves and regains its sovereignty.

[@Slaeowulf]

Little Englander detected.

[@77thNYSV]

When you devolve to name calling, what does that make you?

[@77thNYSV]

Yeah, don't even know what that is. Nice try at insulting though.

[@Slaeowulf]

videoschmo It clearly wasn't directed at you. The irony of you calling me a moron is plain to see now. Tell you what, rather than being nasty to me for no reason why don't we just wait until the votes are cast and the UK has voted to remain so you can tell me all about the system being rigged.

[@Slaeowulf]

videoschmo It's nothing to do with the interface; it's to do with being able to understand context. Anyway, if you're going to use reductio ad absurdum to criticise people who want to stay in the EU then you're just admitting defeat before we even start. Nobody on either side is saying Britain wouldn't survive outside of the EU. But if you don't think unrestricted access to the Common Market for the past 40 years is part of why the UK's economy is doing so well then you're just not aware of how international economics works. You're welcome to make ideological arguments about our membership, but you can't deny facts (or make up any, like the £350M per week lie).

[@stephenhulme6583]

any one with a open mind who watched this and has NOT got a hidden agenda. MUST VOTE OUT. The stay in crew just got smashed out of sight.

[@stephenhulme6583]

@@aidanthompson5053 Well there you have it. A remainers only reply, iS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO you clearly are not to bright,

[@aidanthompson5053]

@@stephenhulme6583 if you did research you would know the best option, like most economists (look at the actual data). You rely on people like Farage, Boris, Gove, that scaremonger. You think capital letters intimidate me, what a joke, really how sad, and using the most absurd phrases like "hidden agenda", it's just completely wrong, that's all. If anything it's the ERG and their sacred tax havens that show a hidden agenda (only they benefit), what a hypocrite. Do your research next time!

[@stephenhulme6583]

@@aidanthompson5053 O.K. Lets look at the word SCAREMONGER your word not mine. I would use PROJECT FEAR. all the things that would happen which have not. Pound collapse .employment collapse. Major companys leaving by the thousands Whole world disorder . Even world war. Who was scaremongering. maybe YOU should be doing some research Silly person You might want to stay. But most people do not. Its called Democracy. Get over it, we are OUT.

[@aidanthompson5053]

@@stephenhulme6583 "silly person" ok, this is just embarrassing for you now. There were lies on both sides, yeah obviously, but for the benefit of the economy, jobs, trade and travel, remain is the better option. Do your research, how many times do I have to say. Use google scholar or learn advanced search techniques and that'll get you started, I can recommend a course if you need.

[@aidanthompson5053]

@@stephenhulme6583 I've won this argument friend, better luck next time

[@jonathanhodgson2659]

Looking back it is difficult to see how remain was actually a thing. Sooooooo glad we are out.

[@guleiro]

Glad about what?...🤣 50p extra for each citizen from those EU copy pasted trade deals?...

[@julianshepherd2038]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 can't wait to get out

[@charliegoblin9680]

Vote LEAVE

[@kharnthebetrayero9036]

I am an American citizen I would cheer for Great Britain to leave the European Union. Go get those European Union bureaucrats go UKIP

[@24yrukdesigner]

+kharn the betrayer O Thankyou :) I'm an English man without any nationalism in my blood at all, despite having a family tree back until the days of 1066 :) Nearly all my closest friends in UK are immigrants from all over the world, and we ALL support leaving the EU because it's a terrible idea. The EU is what is forcing false stereotypes, via uncontrolled immigration plans, destabilising common sense and the peace. Leaving the EU is simply saying, Europe is a beautiful place, stop trying to change it. We have so much culture among all our diversities, but the media and elite politicians are destroying the word immigration, by making FLOODS of totally unreasonable numbers to specified locations across UK, causing absolute chaos... and yes we all know what happens when we send our pathetic Prime Minister out to an EU debate to speak common sense... He is sent back home tail between legs, with rejections to any proposition the useless coward makes based on the peoples desires. We have already far more proof than we've ever needed which says the peoples opinion under a superstate is void / irrelevant, and any future resolutions will not be finalised locally for anything of great importance. We may as well all become Mircro-chipped and proceed with Zombie nation the very next day if we don't end this madness asap. (It would not surprise me in the slightest if that was the very next part of EU's people monitoring steps. Lets leave the EU, and really unite Europe by working together independently, without shutting out the rest of the world like EU's sick plans to become a superstate. WE WERE GREAT BRITAIN BEFORE THE EU.... WE WILL BE GREAT BRITAIN AFTER THE EU.

[@donnacollis6223]

+kharn the betrayer O we have to get out....the eu is a corrupt vile instituition of self serving pompous cowards...

[@simpsonhenry7289]

Imagine what the EU could look like after another 40 years. That should make up your mind to vote to leave.

[@johnp-h8896]

If we had to listen to Clegg, alone for over an hour, the vote would've been 100% to leave.

[@chatteyj]

+John Parker-Hall Or chucka or Liz tbh.

[@dozyproductionss]

As an American, I can't believe you guys are lucky enough to have such quality debates. Thoroughly enjoyed listening to this even if this was just repeated rhetoric to you Brits. In our debates the candidates are not given equal speaking time, or a fair chance to answer their questions, and the moderators are always too biased. You already know who's going to "win" before it even starts. Sooooo.... I hope y'all vote to leave. Being of Polish descent, I have to thank you for giving your billions of pounds over to the mother land but that can only last for so long. Leave and keep your sovereignty! We're all laughing that that jerk Obama could say the most un american things to you and just come back here like he's still the leader of "the free world". It's not a conspiracy, it's global collectivism. If you don't get out, my country is next!

[@dozyproductionss]

Jim Knight My post might of been a bit misleading for it was in stark contrast to the circus we have here. Ideas, or even intelligible thoughts would not of been coming out of their mouths in the first place! I can only imagine anyone from the BBC is going to be this way and Brexiters are fighting against an entire establishment. Keep it up! Show the farce that is the eu!

[@guleiro]

5 years later, the UK has empty shelves in supermarkets and chronic shortages of workers in essential sectors. Oh, and with the new border rules for 2022, the lorry queues to enter or exit the UK are reaching more than 15 miles and 3 or 4 day waiting. Hope the UK can eat "sovereignty" 😆

[@dozyproductionss]

@@guleiro Sovereignty has to be done right.... like anything.

[@guleiro]

@@dozyproductionss Sure... Too bad the people who voted for brexit were after a sovereignty that the UK never lost as EU member. In fact, the UK as an isolated country is a rule taker of not only the EU but also from the USA and China. Some "sovereignty" they have now 😁...

[@dozyproductionss]

@@guleiro I'd say the Peerage so all of those countries and unions at once.

[@orionslaver432]

I think I just fell in love with Dan Hannan. We need some politicians like this in Australia.

[@davidarmitage289]

And Canada !!!

[@emconitegamez5566]

we need more of him here in America to.

[@emconitegamez5566]

I wish America had a conservative party not a republican one

[@FlowerTrollSan]

David Armitage Especially Canada, lol. Trudeau is a fucking joke. 😂

[@EEYore-py1bf]

Why does America have a republican party? You guys are already a republic in every sense of the word.

[@SebAnders]

"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty-never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” Winston Churchill. We need out, despite their lies!

[@leapingcat5085]

Vote leave for Britain, liberty, democracy and FREEDOM.

[@J2897Tutorials]

What the EU needs to realise is that the term "Rule Britannia" is meant as an expression, not as a request.

[@tatixss]

Great debate, great points from the leave campaign as usual, particularly Dan Hannan.

[@The_Ballo]

+John Hannan killed it. Worth a re-watch.

[@elvisaron42]

+kandy kandy I think +john meant that Hannan killed it in a positive way - that's how I interpreted it and guessed that's why he got so many thumbs up. If he didn't mean that Hannan was brilliant - then he's another numpty to go with the rest of the remains.

[@tatixss]

+elvisaron42 I actually didn't even use the word 'killed' that was the guy who replied to me and I think he meant it in a positive way, so did I, I am voting leave.

[@The_Ballo]

+John Yeah, Hannan was the best of the group this time

[@markadams7456]

+The Ball dan actually showed he had faith in British people. i am willing to invest in UK for employment in north east if we leave the EU. currently I pay my cleaner £10.00 an hour to clean my home. but I grew up watching the decline of UK fishing fleet and watched my uncle lose his livelihood. outside of eu rules I will invest in a new UK fishing fleet which means more employment for British citizens. I run a roofing firm I only employ UK born for fear of employing French or German nationals. I would like to employ Australian, new Zealanders and american

[@midimax]

It's great to look back to see all the arguments at that time. And what is left of it.

[@kaywaters4427]

Nick Clegg in his opening: “you’re going to hear … facts and counter-facts.” There is is no such thing as a ‘counter-fact.’

[@johnhoward8362]

EU=new soviet union...britain leave eu out out out!!!

[@niall2410]

You're an idiot

[@2000rayc]

you are a idiot they left dumb ass stfu

[@johnhoward8362]

of course they been liberated from the dictator union you liberal marxist piece of shit and i'm happy like pig in the shit lol

[@cornwallgeezer]

Out now, vote to save our country!!

[@MANISHSHARMA-lw3bz]

I will VOTE TO Leave and people who still advocate to remain in EU should see Psychiatry.

[@fortuner123]

People like you need your head testing. Get a life.

[@fortuner123]

You even had to edit your post. Not so smart eh!

[@MANISHSHARMA-lw3bz]

+577666 Changed.... but u understood and u got the way anyway to understand what you required.

[@MANISHSHARMA-lw3bz]

+kandy kandy Cheers! I got ya. Thanks

[@fortuner123]

+MANISH SHARMA My comment was for kandy kandy

[@seemonh]

Kate Hoey and Dan Hannan by far the best openings

[@alyssagav8696]

It's amazing looking back at this debate, that the vote to stay in the EU was so high.

[@ronnieswoleman4290]

Hannan and Farage on the one side, the other side may as well not bother. Destroyed on every point, every time. Kate Hoey's POV was very interesting as well, will be keeping an eye out for her in future.

[@ritashaw7678]

+Ronnie Swoleman Read her various contributions to the parliamentary debate on the petition "Stop Cameron spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets"... She was great. The debate was notable for the lack of Remain members attending - and of those there only two, or was it as many as three, had anything to say.

[@JoseWhon]

This is probably Daniel's best ever performance.. Wonderful

[@markcooke8396]

well done the out campaign !!!!!!!

[@ifh4030]

By far the best discussion so far. Thank you, Spectator.

[@dotsthots]

Staying in the EU is like living with your attacker because after he assaulted you, he stole your money and bought you a chocolate bar with it... and kept the change.

[@garyholt4445]

The first speaker has said Australia was supporting the British remaining in the EU.. Hey, I am Australian and there is no way Australia is backing the UK remaining in the EU. Australia was abandoned by the UK when they joined the European Common Market and Australia no way supports the UK being in the EU.

[@Zen0xious]

I found this debate very informative, thank you Spectator for putting it online.

[@asnowman8094]

I feel sorry for the remainian's they came to the stage with nothing yet still managed to leave with less...

[@asnowman8094]

It's almost becoming a trend to be undecided (perhaps an attention thing as more is diverted to their opinion and winning them over) I'd ruined the result by checking out the comments but was surprised anyone could vote remain from that audience.

[@mathewlpn]

+easy4fun How on earth can they vote against their own flag? How can the remain side claim it is patriotic to be in the EU? Do they not hear themselves talk?

[@asnowman8094]

I think a democratic transparent European union designed to work in the interests of the people of Europe would be worth voting for myself. (in theory)

[@proquciprodesse210]

+easy4fun ... funny..

[@asnowman8094]

...Thanks...

[@beeDUB75]

Each Leave speaker performed brilliantly. I guess they have an easier argument.

[@SomeGuy_83]

Great debate that shows how weak the remain argument is. Hannan gave a great opening speech that used facts and logic to present his case.

[@108nighthawk]

To all my brothers in the U.K., the only road to freedom is a small government. The EU is just a large government that you have no say in. Choose freedom.

[@doctorbritain9632]

Excerpt from EU's own website. "90% of future global growth will happen outside Europe's borders".

[@paianis]

+David Fisher Europe's borders, not the EU's borders.

[@leoandenburg5341]

Notice the racist revealing itself in Labour's Liz Kendall at 1:37:02 when discussing the Eurovision: "It's not really Chuka's music". Why's that then Liz, does he only like rap music? Imagine the outrage and headline BBC News coverage if Nigel Farage had made that comment.

[@ragingtoastnextgen1458]

Brexit side has everything remain has nothing

[@The_Ballo]

+RagingToastNexTGen They have less than nothing; they have Nick Clegg

[@Spenner56]

Nick "there are no plans for an EU army" Clegg. Meanwhile, last week saw the EU's paramilitary* (they are NOT Military Police) practising "crowd control" in Germany. * The heavily armed European Gendarmerie Force is based in Italy and is on 24/7 standby.

[@markadams7456]

+Spenner56 If the EU paramilitary ever set foot on British soil I will go to war with it. in the same way the IRA went to war with British. Churchill taught us one thing . we should never surrender Britannia to foreign rule. I swore oath to queen and country to honour my fore fathers I served three years. I will not break my oath as it disrespects my fore fathers who have defended Britannia since 1640. I am 52 years of age and I have never in my life Broke my oath to my Queen and Country and I will not break it and vote to subjugate my Queen or Country to a foreign power or dictator. that is an act of traitor as you cannot have two heads of state and cannot be loyal to your country when you advocate foreign dictatorship. the remain camp in 1945 would have Lord Haw Haw and Oswald Mosley in it. my Grand father fought to defeat Adolph and Germany.

[@The_Ballo]

+Lawrence Gardiner People are conservative by nature. They think they're sticking with the devil they know.

[@lewispitts9448]

+Lawrence Gardiner Don't believe the polls, look at the GE they went on and on about how it was going to be close and the Tories won by a landslide against labour really.

[@coldwarjet]

I shall be voting to leave. There is no advantage to be living in an ever more crowded country - we will never control immigration to a sensible level while we stay in the EU.

[@Randomstuffs261]

If the remain campaign could make an argument that isn't a strawman or an ad hominem, I might even consider it.

[@Elfwald]

The Remain side are full of linguistic slight of hand and dishonesty . They scare me . Mary Hoey hit the nail on the head.

[@newcjon]

+Elfwald Hoey's closing line at 26 minutes in is the line of the debate.

[@BenHarrisProductions]

The Leave campaign are spanking the in brigade. Brexit ftw!

[@alic9560]

Dan Han nailed this. Amazing inspiring speech.

[@TheEvilclown73]

All threats from remain turned out to be false. They were wrong about everything and still wont admit it.

[@TurinStark5]

Ports having issues, fishing industry in crisis, billions leaving London, small businesses suffering, the government having to pay Brexit success stories (daily mail sponsored news ).. yet it's going really well

[@julianmorgan8792]

Mr Clegg you are a complete hypocrite talking about the legacy for our children, when you let Tuition fees rise to ridiculous levels. You are not fit to even comment on this.

[@julieaffinita8945]

Nick Clegg is hallucinating when he said "we are safer to stay with EU" I don't think so

[@vamphudds]

+JULIE AFFINITA I agree Julie, in fact only 2 weeks ago did Obama say ''We consider it a major National security issue that you have uncontrolled migration into Europe'' See the Q&A part of his recent Brexit speech. Particularly his body language when he says it. Seems to have been missed by Vote Leave. Kendall was all over his Trade remarks, Vote leave should be quoting him too.

[@Drakotar]

A fantastic debate, Dan as always was superb. Great to see the majority of the audience was for Leave, just as well as the comments on this video, lets hope this is the nationwide consensus. #VoteLeave

[@DidyDoddie]

+kandy kandy But do you say that because you were already a vote OUT person, or do you think many other people, regardless of voting intention, would say the OUT side came across better?

[@gazgandalf4854]

+DidyDoddie I think you have a point there 'confirmation of bias.' However, trying to be as neutral as I could (I'm a 'Brexiteer') I think the responses to points raised were by and large stronger on the Leave side. Having said that, I would have liked a little more interaction between the group, especially when things got a little 'hot.' Passion in politics doesn't have to result in insults, but it does indicate to us voters how much they are invested in what they believe.

[@gazgandalf4854]

+kandy kandy I think you need to re-read my post. "I think the responses to points raised were by and large stronger on the Leave side." By all means disagree, but I think to 'Rubbish' a post, not having grasped what the point was is rude. If I were a "Remainian" that style of comment - would only engrain my stance to leave. Too many people are still undecided. I am trying to build bridges - and then speaking less harshly about the LEAVE. Accepting someone else's point as valid is the first step to a conversation. It doesn't mean I agree with it, but it has merit. That doesn't stop me later dismantling that point. Not everything has to be confrontational.

[@mininovaq]

+Drakotar "Majority was for leave." It just shows lack of common-sense. But that's just simple, it's easier to be stupid than actually do some research.

[@funtimes3090]

+mininovaq Then you should now staying in is better then!!!!!

[@Gekite]

Did Chuka Umunna use as an argument, 'this is the current year' - seriously all hope is lost for the Remainians. They just throw logic and reason out of the window all together!

[@Xienomega]

ECONOMY: Once out of the EU, the UK will trade on the open market. Google "WTO" or "World Trade Organization" We DO NOT have to be part of any trade agreements (Like the EU) in order to trade with other countries, and the trades which we have right now with the EU will almost certainly continue anyway due to our trade deficit. What does that mean? It means the UK imports way more from the EU than it exports. Therefore, if the EU puts higher tariffs on our trades it will hurt them more than us. The scaremongering about having to pay higher tariffs is completely false. Google "Professor Patrick Minford" who is an expert economist and watch his videos on Brexit. Also, we are paying a huge membership fee to be in the EU which we can retain and reinvest in our NHS and other areas which are being starved of oxygen. DEMOCRACY: EU regulations and regulations influenced by or related to the EU accounts for 53% of all UK laws passed in 2009, a percentage which is growing year on year (thought to be around 60% in 2016). UK voters have no ability to change these laws. While we can vote in and out new governments, there is nothing those governments can do to alter EU laws. That is undemocratic. fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/ SECURITY: The EU is a trade area. It is not a political or military union. Our security comes from NATO. Our intelligence agencies work in conjunction with other intelligence agencies within Europe (and around the world) regardless of our EU membership. Also, the greatest threat to the UK is coming from our borders, which the UK has little control over while part of the EU. ISIS has openly admitted to sending jihadists through Europe posing as migrants and refugees. It is possible for them to patriate in any EU country. That time period ranges from 3-5 years depending on the country. At which point they can travel freely into the UK where we are powerless to stop them as EU citizens. Once out of the EU we can control who comes into our country and we will be safer for it. Immigration can be a good thing and we will continue along this tradition, but with better control. Russia will be no greater threat to us, for we remain in NATO; the true source of security in Europe. IMMIGRATION: Immigration can be a good thing, as I have already stated, but too much of anything is bad for you. We cannot build homes and schools fast enough to keep up with immigration. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants enter the UK every year, forcing house prices up, filling class rooms, clogging transport and draining the NHS. We love immigration, we love Europeans, and people from around the world, but there must be a reasonable level. Right now, the levels are unreasonable and they are having a negative effect on our society. Once out of the EU, the NHS, schools, house prices can all begin to recover and the green pastures of the UK can be saved for future generations. Out of the EU we will regain political freedom, we will be better off financially, better off in terms of our security and better off socially. It's a win, win, win..all we have to do is VOTE LEAVE.

[@ryanbeet9217]

But it seems more people want to stay in the EU according to the latest poll results. Why would people vote to stay if all these things are true?! It's like people want the UK to fall and don't give a shit about it

[@Xienomega]

Ryan Beet Super rich corporations stand to benefit the most from being in the EU. That includes the media. Even the BBC receives millions of pounds from the EU in grants. With so much clout behind them, the remain campaign has a huge advantage, but we have to keep trying to get the truth out there to as many people as possible.

[@Xienomega]

Ryan Beet Just in case you didn't believe me about the BBC receiving money from the EU: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12059280/BBC-has-received-2m-in-EU-funding-in-run-up-to-referendum-fueling-accusations-of-bias.html

[@ryanbeet9217]

+NTG Agreed people do need to be told the truth about the EU but thanks to the fucking media more people want to stay in than go out of the EU

[@kamjf08]

France and Germany's motor industry will be crippled if we leave. Lets not kid here, they will move for trade agreements because they trade with us heavily. Who'll pick up the slack if we leave, Albania? No. Also, it's funny how after three failed pro-EU predictions we're still expected to believe the IMF and other fiscal institutes. Or the Treasury who the Chancellor in 2010 said "don't believe Treasury reports, the Chancellor messes with them"? Again, no. A fragile Eurozone and an EU with growing Euroskeptic viewpoints does not need Britain to leave, not even slightly. If the EU/Euro collapsed it it's a massive financial headache for the likes of the US etc. It's a lot easier to push to keep the status quo even though it doesn't work. Lets also not forget that the Euro to which we are tied has entered numerous recessions since 2008, nearly collapsing itself with economists wondering how long it could continue. Yeah, I think we'll be fine out of the EU.

[@fml94]

oh god it was awkward listening to the remain side

[@24yrukdesigner]

I'll give the remain one thing though during this debate. They didn't call anyone racist for once haha Usually if you disagree with the remain side, they will call you racist, even if you're an African English lady, whose lived in UK for 2 years, and support the eu leave :) It's no longer about what people want clearly, or who you are... If you disagree with the elite who are threatening humanity with the eu superstate pointlessness, you're wrong in their eyes, because it doesn't benefit their pockets or plans, and they do not care what you want. wonder if cameron will be calling any more visitors such as Obama to tell UK how to vote in the coming referendum. Bad bad moves prime minister. Wish we had a pm we could trust :(

[@indieinfidel4760]

+24yrukdesigner I was shocked that "racist" wasn't used at all. Maybe the're finally realizing nobody's buying that nonsense anymore.

[@simonhartley5444]

It made me laugh when nick clegg got called out on his 2002 tweet and his female team-mate immediately jumped ship.

[@barrykirkby9626]

4 years later.. good job we did.

[@CountDaedalus]

1:01:07 Andrew Neil: single most positive reason for staying in? Nick Clegg: Safety in numbers *3 second awkward silence* 1:01:10 Some chad in the audience: AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! 😂😂😂

[@jjwebster1]

I notice that those that actually work in the EU are on the leave side. I also notice how the 'in' lot avoided talking about the unelected commission in favour of talking about the elected council. It's rather dishonest of them.

[@krossF]

english have every right to leave the EU USA got your back yo

[@TaZ101SAGA]

+superswaglord1945 Thank you friend

[@indieinfidel4760]

+Ostrich160 Knowing Americans would never allow their sovereignty to be compromised, Obama injecting himself into the Brexit argument was fucked up and hypocritical .

[@TaZ101SAGA]

Indie Infidel It really was indeed! Considering they had a revolution for their own sovereignty.

[@HazardNP]

+Indie Infidel i agree, i remember there was a huge uproar when a british politician commented on how americans should vote on a bill (i cant remember all the details..) but imagine if you asked the american people to join the same currency as greece.. Imagine if you asked them to allow free movement to 500million people, some of which are from impoverished war hungry countrys. They would tell you to fuck off, the single most disgusting thing that has happened so far in 2016 is obama telling us how to vote and that we'd be at the back of the que. our soldiers fight together, our soldiers die together.. Fucking disgusting.

[@indieinfidel4760]

HazardlyNP I vaguely remember a British politician giving his two cents on some legislation going through our congress and the outrage it caused ( I also can't remember the details) , but our President appealing to the British people is even more outrageous. I can't understand how leaving the EU isn't the obviously smart thing to do.

[@benjaminb4056]

Daniel Hannan's opening speak was amazing. Lets hope that when we leave he stands as an MP.