The Stage That Changed The Tour De France Forever

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Күн бұрын

Floyd Landis' incredible solo breakaway on stage 17 of the 2006 Tour de France changed cycling forever. If this stage didn't happen, the 7 time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong would not have been caught doping.
In this 2006 Floyd Landis Tour de France mini documentary, we take a closer look at what lead to stage 17. How did Floyd Landis lose all that time on stage 16 and how could he even make it back on stage 17?
In this video features press conferences and interviews with Floyd Landis from the relevant times.
00:00-00:24 Intro
00:25-01:19 THIS is... Floyd Landis
01:20-02:59 Younger Years
03:00-04:26 Time at US Postal
04:27-05:50 Early Phonak Days
5:51-07:39 Tour de France 2006 Buildup
07:40 -08:11 First Yellow Jersey
08:12-09:07 Judgement Day Stage 16
09:08-16:08 Infamous Stage 17
16:09-16:27 "Winning" the Tour de France
16:28-17:54 The Doping Scandal After The Tour
17:55 -20:12 Armstrong vs Floyd
20:13- 20:49 What Happened Next
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@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 8 ай бұрын
Rumour has it you'll smash it in work tomorrow if you scroll back up and like the video 👌
@BrendenConway
@BrendenConway Ай бұрын
Didnt work
@juanapuchaltpelegri1077
@juanapuchaltpelegri1077 Ай бұрын
Hat guy was a shame. He was a drug addict. The woerst year in the tour.
@reynard2ki
@reynard2ki 7 ай бұрын
I was on my honeymoon when this tour was going on and I remember it well. Now I'm divorced. Turns out that Landis wasn't the only cheater.
@sebastianlauri9622
@sebastianlauri9622 7 ай бұрын
Broooo😢
@user-jm7kc4bm8m
@user-jm7kc4bm8m 2 ай бұрын
Get Well 👊🏻
@reynard2ki
@reynard2ki 2 ай бұрын
@@user-jm7kc4bm8m Thank you, I'm trying!
@ironmantooltime
@ironmantooltime 2 ай бұрын
Ur wife was durty bro
@ohnezuckerohnefett
@ohnezuckerohnefett 2 ай бұрын
What did you do?
@tomlingier6238
@tomlingier6238 Ай бұрын
Fueled by anger? It appears the fuel was something else
@Datamining101
@Datamining101 Ай бұрын
Watching this live was one of the most amazing and exciting 5 hours of television I remember.
@djexidor4670
@djexidor4670 Ай бұрын
My family and I were at this stage. We camped out for a few days on one of the climbs. We couldn’t believe it when Floyd came by in the lead…
@egornikitin9787
@egornikitin9787 8 ай бұрын
Another epic day springs to mind. Chris Froome on Giro mountain stage.
@tillyvanilly7015
@tillyvanilly7015 7 ай бұрын
As George Bennet put it: He pulled a Landis!?
@egornikitin9787
@egornikitin9787 7 ай бұрын
Pulled a Landis on them guys in peloton for sure😅
@TheSlowoldman
@TheSlowoldman 2 ай бұрын
Sky and (not so) marginal gains.......
@Abnsdllnnlosnfd
@Abnsdllnnlosnfd Ай бұрын
@@tillyvanilly7015 No, no, no. It was the fueling strategy! ---> kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5TGfK2KmcuLqtU
@gusvanskike4889
@gusvanskike4889 7 ай бұрын
Spectacular video and an incredibly underrated channel! Keep up the great work, I’d love to see more videos like this one
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you that means a lot!
@dorseykindler9544
@dorseykindler9544 2 ай бұрын
Remember this stage like it was yesterday. Was in my mid twenties, living in a little cottage in Napa Valley, aspiring to report on pro cycling for a living. Where does the time go!?
@TheJMT2012
@TheJMT2012 Ай бұрын
Its always fun to listen to commentators during things like this. Trying to explain how the rider manage to do it. With their training, nutrition on the day etc etc. When we all know the real answer.
@gesp5151
@gesp5151 Ай бұрын
Nicely done review
@adamcurpier
@adamcurpier 8 ай бұрын
Great video, ty!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@lucasbrown2
@lucasbrown2 2 ай бұрын
I really appreciated this.
@brentperez4700
@brentperez4700 7 ай бұрын
That was the first bike race I ever watched. It was very entertaining. I became a fan of the sport that day.
@AlbertBuckinghamEllison
@AlbertBuckinghamEllison 7 ай бұрын
Such an inspiring ride! Back in my racing days I had a moment like this that I'll never forget. Stage race: Stage 4/4 I had lost the Yellow after a puncture on the 2nd stage and was given a 4 minute penalty to restart a lap later (No Neutral Service). On the final stage I broke away solo for 20 miles and made up 7 minutes, eliminating the penalty and going straight back up to 3rd on GC and Green jersey. Torrential rain, exposed course in England. I rode with such anger at myself for the bad luck. It's amazing what riding with reckless abandon can do.
@Sdakouls3
@Sdakouls3 4 күн бұрын
Inspiring doping.
@janinecarlos1718
@janinecarlos1718 7 ай бұрын
I remember that day. What turned out to good to be true was indeed too good to be true.
@JasondenHollander-qj5hp
@JasondenHollander-qj5hp 7 ай бұрын
I walked into work the next day( the tdf is middle of night in Australia) I said to workmates that that was either the best ride we will ever see or it was the other thing; sure enough it was the other thing.
@BryenGraver
@BryenGraver 2 ай бұрын
Even as a 16 year old kid, I remember watching that stage and thinking how this was going to go down. I wasn't sure how to feel about it at the time but today I think it's hilarious and freaking epic. Not surprised in the least that the dude ended up being juiced to the gills lol.
@Ireallylikeeggs
@Ireallylikeeggs 7 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed watching this.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Greg41982
@Greg41982 Ай бұрын
I watched this stage and was glued to the TV. I hadn't been as stuck where I was since 9/11.
@abedfo88
@abedfo88 2 ай бұрын
this was the only day i missed on this tour! cant believe it.
@niklasbirksted8175
@niklasbirksted8175 2 ай бұрын
The extraordinary day is actually explained. By mistake, one of the blood bags contained blood with too high testosterone, so when he did his daily epo-session, by accident, he got a little extra in the mix. I don't remember the exact details, but it was only due to a small mistake on their side. And the bike swap had nothing to do with it.
@mmmolchan
@mmmolchan 7 ай бұрын
Nice video! But if you watch Floyd’s tv interview, he said he doped on stage 16 (why he possibly didn’t feel good, and typically at the halfway mark of TDF they did the blood transfusion). So stage 17 was the day after.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Makes sense, dodgy blood bag
@ZENmud
@ZENmud Ай бұрын
Being at that finish line in Morzine, France, on one of the hottest days that summer, was unforgettable.
@cyclingfreak56
@cyclingfreak56 7 ай бұрын
Nice to hear another dopers opinion, thanks Chris!
@tranzco1173
@tranzco1173 2 ай бұрын
Neither of those dudes can read. I'm not kidding.
@teddykayy
@teddykayy 7 ай бұрын
Beautifully put together. Floyd's win is still my favorite.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@andredeketeleastutecomplex
@andredeketeleastutecomplex 2 ай бұрын
He didn't win.
@TheSlowoldman
@TheSlowoldman 2 ай бұрын
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Yes he did, he won over a bunch of other dopers.
@valentinvlachakos1301
@valentinvlachakos1301 29 күн бұрын
I remember this voice/face. Can't remember your old YT Channel name but I was there when you were streaming zwift for 50 people watching😆. Good to see you again making awesome sport videos
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 28 күн бұрын
Hey! You're right. My name is Jesper. I used to do Zwift content haha
@Moishe555
@Moishe555 7 ай бұрын
great video, I loved Floyd!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@chucklynch5505
@chucklynch5505 7 ай бұрын
Floyd is the Henry Hill of cycling
@juangomez4967
@juangomez4967 7 ай бұрын
Great video, which is the source of Floyd's comments during the stage??
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Various sources led to this video. You'll find most of them on KZbin if you search Floyd Landis
@DavieNicol
@DavieNicol 7 ай бұрын
It wasn't astana that Landis wanted to join but team radioshack. The team was made by Lance after Contador won the tour they both rode. Great vide.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you and thank you for the correction :)
@MikeP_
@MikeP_ Ай бұрын
It's a long time ago now, but I remember that something felt wrong watching Landis during stage 17. In my recollection, he was permanently pouring water over his head and I felt reminded of an overtuned machine that had to be cooled down to not overheat. For this reason, I was not at the slightest bit surprised when he tested positive. It was an impressive performance nonetheless.
@BlTCHEZAlNTSHlT
@BlTCHEZAlNTSHlT 3 ай бұрын
deserves way more views!
@ZENmud
@ZENmud 7 ай бұрын
I was near the Arrivée in Morzine that day
@judithdavison6698
@judithdavison6698 Ай бұрын
What a video!
@Mububban23
@Mububban23 24 күн бұрын
I know they were all doped up to the gills, but geez it was exciting to watch that period. Rather than people just slavishly watching power meters and the breakaway nearly always being reeled in like nowadays, people attacked, people cracked, it felt a bit more "human" even though they were all doping. Sad that such an exciting era is so tainted.
@Stefan_W.
@Stefan_W. 8 ай бұрын
A spoke broke on the rear wheel? Or was the battery empty? Remember Kids, if you running out of energy just change the road bike.
@joecool2678
@joecool2678 7 ай бұрын
If you watch the end of the stage as soon as Floyd dismounts his bike a team technician whisks his bike away before any questions are asked
@boudieskate
@boudieskate Ай бұрын
Hmmm. Lemond just talked about this but I thought Cancelara was the first a few years later when rode away after reaching down in spring classics
@AlessioPunzi
@AlessioPunzi 3 ай бұрын
He seems like a nice chap, and I truly wish him best for his life.
@hfhfhf361
@hfhfhf361 7 ай бұрын
What about a video for Cameron Mason? Made some mindblowing growth recent years and would be interesting.
@GSXK4
@GSXK4 16 күн бұрын
Now, Floyd's of Leadville On The Go cannabis gummies are available at every gas station in America.
@randypalmer2328
@randypalmer2328 22 күн бұрын
I remember hearing about this amazing ride vividly and knowing exactly what was coming when it happened. Like, it was comically obvious, and sure enough.
@harrismazari5484
@harrismazari5484 3 күн бұрын
This stage was an amazing acheivment by his doctors
@Bastian_Zugnappen33
@Bastian_Zugnappen33 24 күн бұрын
It's funny because the day he had the crisis he declared that he suffered from the heat, the next day he accomplished the feat, drinking 100 bottles of water, but with his Jersey closed for the entire stage 😅
@MattiasThyr
@MattiasThyr Ай бұрын
I remembered I was following a blog where Floyd trainer or leader described the morning where Floyd woke up and was turning the bed upside down in mood provided by Testosteron plaster he had worn under the night. The post was removed later. I wonder if someone else read it also? I can not make this shit up because I held nothing against him. I liked his story and all he went through. He was a good bike racer.
@martymiller4300
@martymiller4300 7 ай бұрын
I recently dumped a bundle on hearing aids (cancer) and saw Phonak on a sticker at the audiologist’s office. I asked her about the brand and told her the story about the Menanite that went on to whoop Lance at the tour, she listened wide-eyed, never heard a word about it. Ended up buying a different brand but at least Phonak bought a mention all these years later. I think a lot more of Floyd than I do of Lance, although I use the USPS brand all the time.
@BurgerTime7441
@BurgerTime7441 7 ай бұрын
"went on to whoop Lance at the tour" ? you've got the races mixed up in your memory. This video explains the timeline
@martymiller4300
@martymiller4300 7 ай бұрын
@@BurgerTime7441 yeah I knew I’d get that wrong. Sorry to mess with history, thanks for the catch.
@tine819
@tine819 7 ай бұрын
I watched stage 17 in 2006 and never have I seen a rider receive as many 'sticky bottles' as Floyd did on that stage. The sports director in the Phonak car was a former ASO employee French. And that is probably why Phonak avoided prosecution. Fortunately, such a thing cannot take place today! Good fair description! Good video!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! The sticky bottles was insane... we left it out but it was in the initial script. The amount of times he gets a bottle, pours it all over him and takes another...
@Charizardlison
@Charizardlison Ай бұрын
what are sticky bottles?
@sicksquid3258
@sicksquid3258 Ай бұрын
@@Charizardlison I'ts a water bottle handed to rider that stays in the hands of both rider and soigneur therefore allowing the rider to be propelled at the same speed as the car.
@sevenrats
@sevenrats Күн бұрын
I remember watching that stage and saying it was impossible and he had to have done something. There's no way you suck that bad one day and then comeback like that on no rest. No way.
@umutbarankeskin1291
@umutbarankeskin1291 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video mate. This was the day which made me obsessed in cycling and turned out to be a fraud then. However, I still remember it as one of the greatest days in cycling. Not cherising any rage against Floyd but for sure not in awe to him either.
@oliverleigh9854
@oliverleigh9854 2 ай бұрын
EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!
@daveanolik8837
@daveanolik8837 Ай бұрын
What’s the mystery of the bike change? Is there speculation that it was a mechanical doping opportunity?
@sepasaurus
@sepasaurus Ай бұрын
I Stood roadside on that Joux Plane stage, still have an old fashioned photo of Lloyd going past.... but he didn't change cycling- the title is misleading.
@stoutlager6325
@stoutlager6325 Ай бұрын
I was watching live when Floyd won that stage. It was inspired. Then it all turned to hell shortly after. Really soured me on the sport for years.
@MariaScreamapova
@MariaScreamapova 7 ай бұрын
Oscar Pereiro's comeback from 28m40s behind prior to stage 13, is more historical because it is the largest comeback in the modern era (post WWII) of the Tour de France, and probably the TdF's winner with the least impressive career resume, but Oscar Pereiro is a former Tour de France champion. And you will never see the peleton give 30 minutes to any rider ever again. I was bummed for Floyd, I thought he deserved it
@notreally2406
@notreally2406 7 ай бұрын
*peloton, but no, everyone came back from that, because none of them were gc guys, which is why they let them have 30 min
@MariaScreamapova
@MariaScreamapova 7 ай бұрын
@@notreally2406 Pereiro had finished 10th in the 2 previous TdF's, and it was stage 13
@danfuerthgillis4483
@danfuerthgillis4483 21 күн бұрын
For those who still don't get why doping is used in cycling let me explain : -If there was zero doping the TDF would take 2 more weeks in order for riders to recover naturally - The speeds of Time trials and overall peleton average would collapse to at least 35 km hr ( if not less due to winds and air pressure) -UCI would loose sponsors and tv rights as who wants to see cyclists getting off their bikes and pushing the bike up the mountains - Bikes and equipment would not need be super light or expensive since the higher speeds could not be taken advantage of. UCI has known and has protected their top cyclists for many decades, Pro cycling is Entertainment not actually real guys riding their bikes for fun, the element of money on any sport is why Doping is not only encouraged but also protected.
@vojtechpodjukl6507
@vojtechpodjukl6507 11 күн бұрын
Man wtf, you are exacerbating a bit too much
@vojtechpodjukl6507
@vojtechpodjukl6507 11 күн бұрын
Correction: you obviously don't know anything about cycling
@danfuerthgillis4483
@danfuerthgillis4483 11 күн бұрын
@@vojtechpodjukl6507 Brother right now as I type there is a perfect weather conditions for cycling but due to the massive air pressure and 30 km hr winds zero cyclists out there right now, unless you are in a group forget about
@AlcyonEldara
@AlcyonEldara 3 күн бұрын
The first line is BS, a century ago they were doing longer stages. The second line is BS. Time trials can be done faster than 40km/h by amateurs and 35km/h was the average in the 60s. Also the "average" is really a terrible measure. The third line is BS. Sponsors want a show. The fourth line is BS. Man, you don't have a clue. Correction: you obviously don't know anything about cycling
@danfuerthgillis4483
@danfuerthgillis4483 3 күн бұрын
@@AlcyonEldara And it’s quite obvious you are are gullible knowing full well that UCI protected all the Dopers thus proving all my points correct. I don’t think you ever attempted to cycle in 30 km hr winds with massive air pressure that won’t help you when that tail wind hits you, that’s what we have here quite often in Southern Ontario. I grew up in Southern Europe cycling there is a joke compared to here with so much less air pressure and barely any winds. There is a reason the major Pro tours are done in the Southern parts of Europe due to less winds and low air pressure at higher altitudes for the climbs. I would rather climb a 1000 meter mountain than the crap I had to ride against today, 180lbs on a 9 kg bike and I was being tossed to the side of the road, barely anyone hitting 25 km hr today running solo with this weather. No climbing stage could ever be done with 35 km hr winds, last time this happened the race was cancelled and the riders had to push their bikes up the hills and these are elite level pro cyclists. Pro cycling is entertainment and therefore whatever UCI can allow to make the races faster with TUE’s and Hypoxic chamber sessions the more viewers they get so the sponsors can sell their bike products. UCI has to protect pro cycling as sponsors demand that and UCI makes their money, they can care less about the riders that’s why they protected the doping tests for Lance, Indurain, Le Mond, Fignon etc they do not protect them with safer bikes but protected their positive doping tests. No one has ever won any race in cycling without pharmaceutical assistance and that is a fact that no one has any argument over.
@AD52727
@AD52727 15 күн бұрын
0:55 My dad is the news reporter in this clip
@danieljones8658
@danieljones8658 Ай бұрын
@3:16 uh why is my man wearing a Rick Ware Racing NASCAR team shirt???
@Matfridt
@Matfridt 7 ай бұрын
Floyd's numbers ARE crazy tho, because sports science today is leaps and bounds ahead of what it was back then. Development of young riders is also at a completely different level. Anyone pushing watts anywhere near the best today from 15-20 years ago, you can almost guarantee they were doping
@213tpg
@213tpg 7 ай бұрын
Doping never stopped and never will, as a whole we humans simply are not honest enough
@francoisgaboreau1097
@francoisgaboreau1097 2 ай бұрын
"Questions started to arise" after Landis's ban??! As soon as 1999 there were strong, serious questions about Armstrong ! He was tested positive but the UCI covered him.
@DJKLIBRA
@DJKLIBRA 7 ай бұрын
I remember this day very well. Everybody was like 😮. This guy is a hero. Not the most likeable guy but having been beat the day before this was a comeback the world had never seen.
@saschawer3031
@saschawer3031 14 сағат бұрын
Doping!
@koopalibrary
@koopalibrary 2 ай бұрын
everyone knew though. Like I remember coming home, and watching what happened. And even the commentators who were known for glossing over the darker parts of cycling kept dropping hints.
@tedecker3792
@tedecker3792 Ай бұрын
When Floyd started racing MTB in Pennsylvania he would ride to the races. He killed it at the 24hours of Canaan for several years before he became a roadie.
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p Ай бұрын
How did he do it!!! He was doping gezzz
@tommytoe135
@tommytoe135 7 ай бұрын
I remember that day very well. It was the second or third time that I went to France to watch the Tour live. It was the last day stage in the Alps and me and my dad went to the Col de la Colombière to watch the peloton pass. It had already been a rocky road, as the main favourites left the day before the start. But when the 'caravanne' had passed by and the first helicopter arrived. I was so surprised to see Floyd Landis passing by. It was one of those big moments that the cycling sport lives from. Sadly, it came to light that it was foul play in the end. Nevertheless, I still watch cycling today and do enjoy it. But I don't go see the Tour live anymore. The Dauphiné is similar and is more relaxed. :)
@petekirwin2420
@petekirwin2420 7 ай бұрын
I do too. The good old days. Marco pantini did a similar thing, loved it. Made watching the tour more exciting..for me ,take away team radios and let the riders race by instinct. These tours are getting seriously boring
@andrewgoddard3350
@andrewgoddard3350 7 ай бұрын
Sad that Floyd did this....great guy....
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p 8 ай бұрын
Wrong dude, LA did fail a test but they covered it up
@chasman9662
@chasman9662 2 ай бұрын
LA failed lots of tests. But they were inadmissible bc they weren't scheduled per the rules. LA was my hero turned ZERO. He was a liar and ruined the lives of many to perpetuate his lies. Teammates and their wives were threatened if they told THE TRUTH! You saw it in this video...the truth that FL spoke brought out the true LA. Don't defend a liar and a cheat. Still today, people can't watch an amazing break away without thinking of batteries, EPO, LA or FL. He sucks and you should treat him that way.
@oliverleigh9854
@oliverleigh9854 2 ай бұрын
@@chasman9662 What a clown opinion dude. The mere fact that doping is part of cycling history. Its embedded into the sport. And you say this. Let me make it clear. LA won fair and square. Like anybody before and after him on JUICE!!! What you can't take away from him. He worked hard, had talent. Supreme mentally to over come everything to succeed. That's an example of GOAT athlete you can get. Just like Landis he won fair and square. Let me make it clear. EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!!! Any sport code. All of your sport hero are dopers.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 Ай бұрын
The lancehole was the GOAT cheater. Thats for sure. Poster boy cheater, a 'hero' all hooked up with the UCI, whom he paid off. He even admitted his cheating too. So admirable..... to a 🤡 The lancehole was only ever sorry he got caught. If it werent for his narcissism, pride and greed, not to mention, Floyd here, he would have gotten away. Free and clear. Ive often wondered how he rationalized his behavior to his children. What a freakin example to set ..... In a sport where 'everyone' is cheating, who could possibly know, for a fact, who's the 'GOAT champion'? The most worthy athlete??? Best cheater? Yeah sure, a 'goat'. 😂 What's the 'standard'? Greg L said it best back then. "Greatest miracle or greatest fraud in sport" The act of doping is in fact, physiologically, an uneven playing field. Maybe thats 'not so' common sense? The dope has different effects and benefits for various humans. Doping is also economically an unequal playing field. Not everyone can afford the best dope nor the best 'doctors'.
@oliverleigh9854
@oliverleigh9854 Ай бұрын
@rollinrat4850 listen to this dude. Quoting a cheater like GREG and yet condemn Lance of cheating. Make it make sense. PS. You can take every drug in the world. You will still fail if you don't have talent, work hard, and have the right mental application. That's alone makes you an idiot with this comment.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 Ай бұрын
@@oliverleigh9854 We've heard it all before. Hard work never made up for poor ethics either. I will agree with you on one point. ALL elite sports are corrupt in one way or another. This doesnt prove every elite athlete cheats however. I have no real 'evidence' whether Greg L doped or not. But where's the evidence he actually did it? The burden of proof is upon the accuser you should know. Its simply unfair to expect anyone to prove they never did something wrong. Free speech and free thought only allow us all the 'theories' we can possibly imagine. If proof actually ever existed, Greg would probably have been sued into oblivion for some of the things he'd said or implied. Lemond still has plenty of French fans btw. SURELY, with all his power and money, the lancehole could have convinced someone, anyone to inform on Mr Lemond. A former teammate, soigneur or somebody. Just one person to produce real or at least convincing evidence. But no one ever did that for whatever reason. All Ive ever heard are hearsay, rumors, theories and assumptions, no real facts. Criminals often believe everyone think and act just like they do... Greg's name is still in ALL the record books as well. Oh, the irony. Greatest American cyclist...... I'd imagine, the lancehole still has that famous trophy room, probably never lets his family in there. But that's just my imagination. See, I can do it too. 😂 But go ahead and just assume, spread rumors. Thats nothing new. Did you know? As a teen , Greg L was beating US pros while still a junior. He went on a trip to Europe and won most of his races as a teen. The lancehole had to buy his first big win in '93 from Roberto Gaggioli. Core States I think. Not the only rider he'd paid off either apparently. I had a high school riding buddy who later rode on the Coors Light team. Gaggioli's team. Greg L wore their jersey in the states too. Very, very few elite athletes in any sport have a VO2 max like Lemond's. Thats something humans cant fake, buy or inject. Its natural aerobic giftedness. All this is probably also why the best team at that time '81 (Renault) signed him for a big contract. Bernard Hinault came to California to convince Greg to join his and Laurent Fignon's team.
@JohnDough-yr2zt
@JohnDough-yr2zt 7 ай бұрын
I saw Landis sitting all alone at the finish of a stage of Tour of California. No one would talk to him at all.
@nathanielkhoom6043
@nathanielkhoom6043 Ай бұрын
If people don't like these guys winning then let's go back and give it to the first rider that didn't dope......you would probably not find any of the top ten back then who weren't doing something. It's just what was going on back then, and why should we change history because we don't like it? We need to learn from history, not erase it.
@tunisiancarspotter
@tunisiancarspotter Ай бұрын
seems everyone forgot about the doping case of Landis
@ManuelFlores-oe2wf
@ManuelFlores-oe2wf 4 ай бұрын
Man I was a novice cycling fan back then and thought this was a legendary performance. Only in my older grumpier less naive years do I realize what a crock of shit this was and how painfully obvious what really happened. All the clues were right there for everyone to see at the time. Same with Armstrong on Sestierre. I remember vividly thinking he was going to lose time in the mountains because he was never a climber only to be amazed at how he ran away from everyone! Hahah to be young and innocent and unaware of the corrupt world.
@raysteal3
@raysteal3 Ай бұрын
Disneylandis, mixed with dopping
@scottsutoob
@scottsutoob 27 күн бұрын
Landis or his lawyers posted the analytical test results from the doping control lab. And they looked like they were performed incorrectly to me. From what I could tell they overstated the amount of testosterone, by a lot. It is hard to argue with the isotopic ratio results, so there was some synthetic T in his system. But did he really take testosterone the night before his big ride, knowing if he won he would be tested? And would testosterone make you ride like that a few hours after taking this hormone? Seems more likely that he blood boosted with blood that was taken earlier when he had residual synthetic T in his system.
@petekirwin2420
@petekirwin2420 7 ай бұрын
What people don’t realise or remember is the fact that he got there by talent in the first place. He happened to be riding in an era where everybody was cheating. I still believe that because they were all doing it, it made it a pretty level playing field
@Matfridt
@Matfridt 7 ай бұрын
Fair point, but not everyone was doping. Most of the absolute best GC guys were, but it really sucks that we'll likely never know who was clean and who wasn't. Oh well, at least it was a chaotic era. Need another video like this, but for Riccardo Riccò
@petekirwin2420
@petekirwin2420 7 ай бұрын
@@Matfridt yes you absolutely correct and we’ll never know for sure. But what I will say ,the top riders for the grand tours would probably still be the same names. Sad to say but I think they all thought they had to do something to be at the same level. Right from the beginning of the Tour de France there were drugs. Have you seen the pictures of riders foaming at the mouth. Sad I know, but still the top riders will be the top riders whatever
@rumpwrangler1102
@rumpwrangler1102 7 ай бұрын
@@Matfridt no telling how many were doping. The domestiques and the supers all had to be aswell to help their GC guys
@ZdenekZeman433
@ZdenekZeman433 13 күн бұрын
The bike was having a battery inside
@jtmuso
@jtmuso Ай бұрын
Fuelled by anger and testosterone
@oldfrend
@oldfrend Ай бұрын
i'd be shocked if he wasn't using a motor that day as well. even doped up to the gills his performance was otherworldly against other likely doped up riders. even lance on his dopiest of dope days never rode away from the peloton like this.
@randybrown4774
@randybrown4774 7 ай бұрын
Floyd looked a bit like Daryl Hall. ☺
@thanosduckplease
@thanosduckplease 8 ай бұрын
Didnt you used to commentate on Chris Pritchard?
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 8 ай бұрын
Hey! Yes I did 😁
@thanosduckplease
@thanosduckplease 8 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore Awesome! That froome video is one of my all time favorites on cycling youtube!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 8 ай бұрын
@@thanosduckplease thank you! Hopefully some of these are as goof
@monkeays
@monkeays 9 күн бұрын
Nothing has changed, Jonas and Pog will be making similar statements in about 10 years
@rg807
@rg807 7 ай бұрын
One of the greatest stage wins ever. Drugs, yes, shut up. Everyone else was on them too.
@BurgerTime7441
@BurgerTime7441 7 ай бұрын
Obviously Floyd had a super-sized blood bag the night after stage 16.
@andrewhenderson8320
@andrewhenderson8320 7 ай бұрын
Even my old dad new he was drinking to much whisky
@Socialisten
@Socialisten Ай бұрын
At 10:00 I am still amazed at the approach to this, Landis was doped, not someone who proved anything to anyone ... other than he was a cheat.
@ksmanning
@ksmanning 2 ай бұрын
Do not trust any adult who wears a ball cap backwards. Ever.
@Saoco325
@Saoco325 7 ай бұрын
Looks like the battery drained out on the first bike. If you brake a spoke, you can't ride any further.
@onanthebarbarian9883
@onanthebarbarian9883 2 ай бұрын
Well you can...but you never know when the wheel will collapse
@dickieblench5001
@dickieblench5001 2 ай бұрын
Yes you can you just reach down and loosen off the caliper. The wheel isn't going to collapse
@keirfarnum6811
@keirfarnum6811 Ай бұрын
Not true. The wheel will go out of true, but it’s still rideable.
@csalin7327
@csalin7327 7 ай бұрын
DOPER !
@kristofrookx8452
@kristofrookx8452 7 ай бұрын
Most of them we're doped anyway. Crazy performance. Basicly unmatched
@Rambomname
@Rambomname 8 ай бұрын
Jasper!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 8 ай бұрын
Hi!
@Btstaz
@Btstaz 8 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore wow yeah that is Jasper, used to watch him all the time but lost track of him at some point. Nice to see you back
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 ай бұрын
@@Btstaz thanks for watching me back in the day, hope you still enjoy these videos 😁
@livibam
@livibam 28 күн бұрын
Why would the UCI give a life time ban to people who dope in a sport that requires you to dope to cope? 2 year ban is actually far to long. The UCI knows exactly what’s going on, has been since the inception of pro bike racing.
@noternunstoned
@noternunstoned 7 күн бұрын
You get dropped by the pack to last place on the tour and the next day you drop everybody on a grueling climb and beat everyone by 4 minutes, how did that happen?
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p 8 ай бұрын
What brought LA down was coming back. His ego brought himself down
@abp1400
@abp1400 7 ай бұрын
exactly, that was his biggest sin. if he doesn't come back, I doubt he gets caught.
@teddykayy
@teddykayy 7 ай бұрын
Imagine if Lance had just Floyd join his team after getting busted.
@Chris-dw3xl
@Chris-dw3xl 7 ай бұрын
I think the doping test was wrong testosterone doesn’t work that quick it takes a few weeks for it to build up in the system , not a day was he made a scapegoat for Armstrong which in the end back fired??? Was it motor doping ? Which is more plausible we will never know
@user-rr4fq7tr7x
@user-rr4fq7tr7x Ай бұрын
Took a prescribed steroid once after an injury when trying to put in extra miles. Works great for day to day recovery.
@user-it5gk5qe6g
@user-it5gk5qe6g 7 ай бұрын
It's still quite mysterious how he could have such high levels of testosterone in his blood, but I think it must have been because of the bloodbad he got the night before. I also think the bike change is quite dubious. Could he have been using a motorized bike in the first part of the stage to ride everyone off the wheel and save energy? And why drink so much water? To lower his hematocrit for a possible blood test after the finish?
@S2Sturges
@S2Sturges 7 ай бұрын
This is the thing.. He claimed he took Andriol, a oil based oral testosterone, it has a very short life 4-5 hours and most gets destroyed before it passes through the liver, and what's left absorbed by the intestine. The drug is oil based so it will pass through the liver, otherwise the test would damage it. I know this because I was on it for some years before I went to a long term intramuscular injection. Andriol is considered a bottom feeder by gym bunnies, it isn't effective for body building. You cant stay on it that long or you will get a fatty and damaged liver. For Floyd to ride as he did the day after getting crushed, took much much more than Andriol, he was jacked on something completely different
@user-it5gk5qe6g
@user-it5gk5qe6g 7 ай бұрын
Well, I would suggest definitely a bloodbag, and perhaps he took some risks with his hematocrit, but do you think he was on smth else? Amphetamine? @@S2Sturges
@yeahnah7220
@yeahnah7220 5 ай бұрын
A motorised bike? C'mon dude, what benefit would 3 D size batteries in the seat tube really provide? The 5min worth of juice doesn't outweigh the hours of extra weight. 20 years on an Ebike batteries are the size of an original gen 1 mobile phone still😂
@yeahnah7220
@yeahnah7220 5 ай бұрын
As for the bottles. He overheated and was dehydrated during stage 16.It was 40°/ 100°f that day and unlike the peleton, he had a team car exclusively all to himself and on demand. Dehydration and hunger wasn't an issue and the majority of water was simply used as a tool to keep as cool as possible physically with perhaps an added mental bonus. Another factor was the benefit of maintaining a constant power output out alone, rather than sustained on and offs which are more physically and mentally draining. In training He would regularly put out 300watts over 6 hours and during this stage he maintained a 280w average. Combine that with his talent at descending and gaining time, the fact everyone was tired from the previous stage, the mistake they made in letting him breakaway, the sheer determination and mental fortitude that separates the greats from the good and the audacity to believe and back himself with such tactics it was made it all to be so incredible.
@Jon-cw8bb
@Jon-cw8bb 25 күн бұрын
Juiced to the gills
@tomaszn9201
@tomaszn9201 7 ай бұрын
epo, testosterone can still be felt in the air
@flachi32
@flachi32 7 ай бұрын
It sounds harsh but I would have had bruyneel and Armstrong locked up for 7 years. And UCI. I still think of pro cycling as doped and it seems no one got punished for the systematic fraud.
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p Ай бұрын
It was the backwards hat that cost him the TDF
@Robutube1
@Robutube1 7 ай бұрын
Genuine question: Why was Landis' bike change suspicious? I thought this happened all of the time. Thanks.
@tillyvanilly7015
@tillyvanilly7015 7 ай бұрын
Because it looks staged. The thing is: There is a big debate about motor doping, meaning you put a small electric motor in the tube of the bicycle and that motors your bike to give you a little push. Just a small notch over your opponents. There are x ray scans theses days in competition to avoid any such offenses, but these tests were implemented only after actual cases arose. There was one female rider that got caught. This topic is more often discussed in relation to Fabian Cancellara‘s win over Tom Boomen in Flanders I think (or roubaix). Just google it. It’s a really big fan theory, but it’s also a bit ridiculous. However, as there are discussions about motor doping, this one was very suspicious for sure. He changed his bike so casually like „okay, battery is empty, let’s switch to the lighter bike now and finish the stage.“
@niklasbirksted8175
@niklasbirksted8175 2 ай бұрын
It's not, but some people are convinced motordoping is happening, partially due to Greg Lemond not having a clue. But even today, batteries are too big and heavy for it to be a good idea, especially on mountain stages. Imagine how much a batteri would weigh in 2006 then.
@FrankBakulov
@FrankBakulov 3 ай бұрын
Why there is no Russian flag next to Denis Menshov's name in historical video about events that happened many years before 24.02.2022?
@SteveNinetyski
@SteveNinetyski 2 ай бұрын
Because the world is a total joke my friend.
@gavpurdy3066
@gavpurdy3066 Ай бұрын
Mechanical doping as well with the bike change? Mmm
@MegaTubescreamer
@MegaTubescreamer Ай бұрын
The despicable events now well documented over the last 25 years of TDF doping scandals cast a very dark shadow over the apparent collaboration between team sponsors and UCI corruption, who on earth will ever believe bike racing was EVER contested upon a level playing field, it NEVER has been.. and without any real desire to eradicate doping , it never will be.
@keesvrins8410
@keesvrins8410 Ай бұрын
Im the only one turning off the tv during the stage? It was already clear for me...
@JohnPreston888
@JohnPreston888 Ай бұрын
Bjarne Riis riding everybody off his wheel in the stage which was shortened due to snow. That did it for me in that year. I know exactly what you mean. And I still can't quite believe the footage of Richard Virenque and his crocodile tears.
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