The Standard Islamic Narrative Cannot Be Trusted!?! S.I.N. vs Historical Evidence - Brother Mel - E2

New discoveries show that the conquests in Iraq occurred multiple years earlier than Islam claims. If these dates are wrong, can the Standard Islamic Narrative (S.I.N.) really be trusted at all? SIN places the battle of Dhat al-Salasil in 633 AD, but according to multiple historical sources of the times, this battle actually took place in 629 AD. Watch as Al Fadi and Brother Mel look over multiple battles from multiple historical sources placing them at different times than the SIN would have us believe. How reliable can the SIN be and what does this mean for Islam and its prophet?
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[@Frankierios22]

Great show Al fadi

[@kingkong0937]

The standard Islamic narratives have huge holes in it that you can’t even fill with a shovel 😂

[@Kikap6001]

☦️👃☘️🌹Blessings to All at CIRA from a Greek Orthodox

[@farag̊åL̊H̊år̊e̊s̊t̊åẙ]

​@@ankur7773 😈😈😈

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

@@generaljg4373 Prove it?

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

@@generaljg4373 I have, so prove your point?

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

@general jg Are you still there? lol! 😄.

[@ankur7773]

THERE ARE USELESS STORIES OF MOHAMMAD INSIDE THE QURAN🤓

[@CHSCRTE]

A teacher told a group of students to learn from arab stories. That's when i decided to study him. He's a teacher in an elementary school for boys. I'm afraid he messed up education that contradict Christian values. I question his fake Christian background. Bringing along scandalous character into his classes. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🐵🙈🙊🙉✝️✝️✝️

[@lasttestament4100]

*Islam was spread by sword?* In the past, yes, but not all. At conquest era, thousands of years before Islam, great nations expanded their territory by conquest, such as the Assyrians, Persians, Greeks and Romans. *When Umar bin Khotob (second caliph) conquered Jerusalem in 637,* he was welcomed by Jews, even Christians. But, the spread of Islam was not all done by sword/conquest. In the same century, *7th century, Islam came to Indonesia/ Southeast Asia through peace missions.* Islam came to Africa & China also through peace missions/proselytism & trade (the Silk Road). *The Spread of Christianity.* *From the 16th century to the 20th century, European colonialists* (Spain, Portugal, UK, France, the Netherland) *took missionaries with them to spread Christianity throughout the world.* These 5 European nations colonized more than 100 regions in Asia, Africa and America. *Since the internet/digital era, Islamic da'wah has been increasingly disseminated through Islamic websites, KZbin and social media,* such as Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok. *As a result, more and more people are converting to Islam,* including evangelists/ missionaries & priests in various countries.

[@TingTong2568]

@@lasttestament4100 IsLAME is vi0lent by c0re

[@georgeo785]

It helps to brainwash the masses

[@ElizabetaDante]

We love you al fadi!! ❤❤

[@Bible101.pdawoud]

I'm learning so much!!!! This is absolutely wonderful

[@samppakoivula9977]

"The standard narrative has holes" Y. Qadhi

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

1 Peter 2:24 Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness by Whose stripes you were healed.

[@generaljg4373]

Cristianity is based on allowing people to sin bcuz the human God died on cross that's not god salvation that is Lucifer salvation

[@surenthiren8663]

Thanks for another exciting session brother Al fadi and Mel. Research from the past history shows that this religion established from wars . Do the the GOD really agree with battles and killings to establish this religion or it was just man made rules ???

[@fitzburg63]

Islam is man-made pagan cult. Only foo1s can't see that.

[@lasttestament4100]

*Islam was spread by sword?* In the past, yes, but not all. At conquest era, thousands of years before Islam, great nations expanded their territory by conquest, such as the Assyrians, Persians, Greeks and Romans. *When Umar bin Khotob (second caliph) conquered Jerusalem in 637,* he was welcomed by Jews, even Christians. But, the spread of Islam was not all done by sword/conquest. In the same century, *7th century, Islam came to Indonesia/ Southeast Asia through peace missions.* Islam came to Africa & China also through peace missions/proselytism & trade (the Silk Road). *The Spread of Christianity.* *From the 16th century to the 20th century, European colonialists* (Spain, Portugal, UK, France, the Netherland) *took missionaries with them to spread Christianity throughout the world.* These 5 European nations colonized more than 100 regions in Asia, Africa and America. *Since the internet/digital era, Islamic da'wah has been increasingly disseminated through Islamic websites, KZbin and social media,* such as Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok. *As a result, more and more people are converting to Islam,* including evangelists/ missionaries & priests in various countries.

[@georgeh8937]

@@generaljg4373 your arguments are always terrible. what bad things happened during the dark ages and did religion have anything to do with it?

[@fitzburg63]

@@georgeh8937 Islam was the cause of "dark ages" in Europe.

[@fitzburg63]

@@lasttestament4100 Yes, islam was spread by sword. Now it is dying, muslims have no strong armies to kill us, so they are trying to play nice, but wherever they are supreme, they always show their true colors.

[@ishtarlew598]

I hope this at least puts to rest the argument that Muslims only ever fought defensive battles. Islam was almost entirely spread by the sword.

[@babulmridha]

now Kafirs murtads ihudinasaras jahannamis napaks disbelievers nastiks infidel pothvrosto (don't believe Islam) all are wakeup against liar immoral demon devil curse messenger Muhammad and his quran. your messages should spread at All public platform including mosque madrasa

[@lasttestament4100]

That happened when the world was under the trend of conquest. But remember! Not entirely ( you lack of reading). Islam came to Africa, & South East Asia (Indonesia, Malysia, etc) through trade & peace mission, not conquest. Now digital era, many people convert to Islam by self searching. While christianity was spread through European collonialism by Spain, UK, Portugal, France & Dutch. The christian missionarries came with them everywhere they went.

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

You should know that liars will not go to Heaven Revelation 21:8. Unless you change 1 Peter 2:24 Muslims are not peaceful and want to trade. They steal, they are kidnappers to ransom, torture, and even kill. Plus, lie about it. They have always been on the offense.

[@ishtarlew598]

@@lasttestament4100 that's ridiculous. Jesus never fought a single person, yet Mohammed was involved in nearly 100 fights. Islam went on to be involved in 100s more battle and ran the slave trade out of Africa. It was Allah that told Muslims to fight those that don't believe in Allah. If the Quran is truly clear, then you can only use the Quran to put all the violent verses into context.

[@collybever]

Was it really religious though, or was that redacted back onto events, with adjustments to fit the narrative desired, probably in Abbasid times? It could be more like the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, where it had foolishly wasted resources, and central European and steppe tribal groups took over control. Power and loot in the process being the real motive (sinful from God's perspective, but history has many such happenings). But when the narrative took control of minds, it inspired behaviour in line with its motifs, and provided a religious pseudo-justifcation for conquests as well.

[@peeceei7470]

This is good learning

[@ethercruiser1537]

Probably the key statement for me was “Did Muhammad die in 628 or 634?” Different “witnesses” or texts can’t agree on that, so how reliable is the rest of the Standard Islamic Narrative!?? When was the first Quran written, where was it written, how was it written?

[@fitzburg63]

Quran was created by Arabs. That is why it is in Arabic.

[@othmanahmad7331]

The fact that alquran now exist and spread all over the world proved to us that al quran written.The fact that so many haters throughout centuries and yet al quran and islam still dominant and challange the disbelievers make them insecured. Islam will rule the world near endtime, no doubt at all ,100 percent confirmed.

[@vicmath1005]

It depends on which Mu-hammad you are after? Mu-hammad Jesus never died (for the Nazarenes) who were the 'Mus1ims' before the Abbasids. He went to heaven and remained alive, protecting the faithful. The Abbasid-created Mu, of course, died in 632 CE.

[@ethercruiser1537]

@@vicmath1005 Mu-hammad Jesus??? Jesus (Yeshua) = to rescue/deliver Also: Immanuel = God with us Also: I AM (LORD, YHVH)

[@vicmath1005]

@@ethercruiser1537 We get the word Jesus from the Greek word Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) which in turn came from the Aramaic 'Isa. This 'Isa son of Mary is the 'Mu-hammad' (the Praised One) according to the Dome of the Rock inscriptions. This Mu-hammad is not a personal name, but a title for Jesus. After 750 CE, the Abbasids created a person of that name.

[@rockzalt]

A person would need to demonstrate through sources that they were using different methods of calculating a calendar backwards by the time these things were finally written down almost two hundred years later. However in admitting that, what else did they get wrong? There is no perfect preservation of the Quran.

[@rockzalt]

@@generaljg4373 Can you defend your reasoning? Without giving some kind of explanation, you're just repeating what an Imam or Sheik told you to say. . I could of just said, "Same Bible different spelling mistakes. Many different korans with hilarious contradictions." Also inserting the word "hilarious" makes the statement look like a troll, keep the conversation civil or I'll start replying using words you won't like too

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@rockzalt No, he can't defend anything. Modern Arabic isn't even the same written language as 7th century Arabic, as it uses a massively expanded script. So all of the translations and such that the Bible has went through - their quran has too. They just like to lie about it.

[@frankjaeger9068]

Have u not learned anything about the holes in your narratives? Your excuse in the histories is dialects this is proven to be false since the Qur'an did not have dots and vowels in the time of Uthman. He also supposably made a qurashi only Qur'an! So what happened to others? They were destroyed or so we are told😂 did Uthman not get the memo that it was revealed to Muhammad in 7 'auhruf' 😂

[@rockzalt]

@@frankjaeger9068 They have not learned that the discrepancy between these dates is another proof that the S.I.N. has gotten things wrong. I remember Dr. Yasir Quadi said there were hole"s" in the narrative not just one hole. He spoke truthfully.

[@georgeo785]

Apparently if your brainwashed you don't need it

[@jorgeborrero8862]

Numbers 27:16-17 Let the Lord, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation, Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of the Lord be not as sheep which have no shepherd. Ezekiel 37:24 David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Isaiah 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. Isaiah 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young. Ezekiel 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord God. Psalm 100:3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture. Psalm 95:6-7 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker. For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 1 Corinthians 8:3 If anyone loves God, he is known by God. Psalm 23:1-3 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

[@anaalhak4711]

I want to correct a mistake in the comment about who was present when Muhammad declared himself the prophet of God, I wrote by mistake that it was the person under serial number 4. Abd Talib, he really died from a swarm of wasps and I will write that later in the description.

[@kuntul_burung]

The Persian were right

[@justaminute3111]

So much information, so little time. I have so much saved in Watch Later, so I know that it probably won’t be seen. In conjunction with this evidence, the Chinese records give a clear indication that the Persian Empire struggled on for at least a century longer than we have been previously told. Would it be possible to find even more evidence hidden in works of art that are clearly Persian but not Islamic from this period? Or perhaps most of it was destroyed. I honestly think that any up-and-coming scholar of the mid-First Century Middle East who does not jump on this information that Mel and others are presenting is missing a huge chance to make his or her name.

[@hanygadoon8938]

انك تعتبر رسول من رسل المسيح صوتك وصل لنهاية العالم

[@fitzburg63]

اكتب بلغة البشر

[@onlytruth6337]

A medieval comic as the quran or a modern comic as asterix can not be read as historical books but as comics.

[@leedza]

If Muhammad was seen 634 then Mo could be Abu

[@phyllis9998]

A possible solution to the problem is that Muhammad was not a name but a title worn by different people. First of all we know it was used as a Christian title, we also know it was not a first name, we also know there are chronicles that mention a current Muhammad up to the 660s. We also know that the Calif title did not exist at the time of the rashidun leaders but was given to them retroactively. A theory would be that the rashidun were all called Muhammad and those who came after them were the successors (Califs). This would explain why there are traditions attributing the compilation to the Quran to each rashidun. The Quran would have been compiled for decades during these reigns and later tradition would have rewritten history with a single originator, a single, mostly fictional Muhammad as a consensual figure, devoid of the stigma attached to the rashidun who reigned in a state of fitna and civil war.

[@saidmohammed7597]

The Islamic calendar is based on the moon calendar that is ten days deferent from the Gregory calendar. The Islamic calendar started from the prophets migration from Macca to Madina. So that was 622 AD agaist 1 Hijrah and prophet lived almost ten years. So 2023 AD is 1044 H So 2023 dedicated 622 you get 1401 Using Gregory calendar there is 43 years deference to actual moon calendar and that is the moon loose ten days every year and hence can not match the dates.

[@vicmath1005]

A 7th century inscription says "'Umar's era". Because 'Umar ibn al-Khattab was the first Commander of the Nazarenes to conquer large territories, the era started after his name. It was only during the Abbasid period that "'Umar's era" became the "1slamic era". You are reading Abbasid fiction.

[@anaalhak4711]

As I wrote in the comments that Mentor told Muhammad that he would make him a messenger of God, Muhammad did not believe him but replied that he knows how false prophets fare. Muhammed told him, let us earn money, to which the Mentor replied that there will be money that cannot be counted. In honor of Muhammad's father Abd Allah, his God will be called Allah. In honor of Amina's father, who was called Islam, the new religion will be called Islam. Muslim Harazit is Muhammad's uncle and in his honor members of Islam will be called Muslims. Janet was the sister of Muhammad's father Abd Allah, she was killed by a snake while she was sleeping under a palm tree. Janet was young, pure, innocent and unmarried, Janet was named after her, where the pure and innocent will go. In honor of Muhammad's mother Amina every time Muslims say Amen it is in honor of his mother. If Mentor and Muhammad had not met, there would never have been Islam, the prophet of God, the Koran and everything else.

[@vicmath1005]

Before the Abbasid time, Mu-hammad *NEVER* has an *ibn/bin* after the word. It was *NEVER* Mu-hammad *ibn/bin* *Abd-Allah.* All the Nazarenes and qur-an characters have a *ibn/bin* after their name, but not Mu-hammad! It is because Mu-hammad is not a name, but a title of 'Isa ibn Maryam. Abbasid-sponsored writers put an *ibn/bin* after the word Mu-hammad, to make it a real personal name. Learn some Arabic! Learn some Aramaic! You will then rush to become a Jew or Christian.

[@saiff7769]

Thank God I left islam ☝️ ✝️

[@lasttestament4100]

*Islam was spread by sword?* In the past, yes, but not all. At conquest era, thousands of years before Islam, great nations expanded their territory by conquest, such as the Assyrians, Persians, Greeks and Romans. *When Umar bin Khotob (second caliph) conquered Jerusalem in 637,* he was welcomed by Jews, even Christians. But, the spread of Islam was not all done by sword/conquest. In the same century, *7th century, Islam came to Indonesia/ Southeast Asia through peace missions.* Islam came to Africa & China also through peace missions/proselytism & trade (the Silk Road). *The Spread of Christianity.* *From the 16th century to the 20th century, European colonialists* (Spain, Portugal, UK, France, the Netherland) *took missionaries with them to spread Christianity throughout the world.* These 5 European nations colonized more than 100 regions in Asia, Africa and America. *Since the internet/digital era, Islamic da'wah has been increasingly disseminated through Islamic websites, KZbin and social media,* such as Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok. *As a result, more and more people are converting to Islam,* including evangelists/ missionaries & priests in various countries.

[@vicmath1005]

Khotob? You must be a Bangladeshi. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab was a Nazarene. So he was mostly a Jew himself! The one difference between the Jews and the Nazarenes was that the latter were Messianic (believed 'Isa was the Messenger). He signed his name as Amir al-Mumineen (Commander of the Faithful). He was never a Caliph. The Messenger/Messiah of the Nazarenes was 'Isa. 'Isa was the 'Mu-hammad' (the Praised One). You are obviously believing the Abbasid-sponsored fiction.

[@lasttestament4100]

@@vicmath1005 Hey , I'm here to give argument to the christian Cira, and to reveal the true misson of jesus. Why you said Umar bin khottob never a caliph? Go to another channel

[@georgeo785]

​@@lasttestament4100 Jesus Christ came to earth to save souls from damnation. His Blood cleanses us from all sin if we believe

[@lasttestament4100]

@@georgeo785 *Christianity absurdity & wrong doctrine* By time machine, I'm flying to Golgotta hill 2000 years ago. *I see Jesus was hanging on the cross, naked & tortured with blood shedding.* What will I do? *A. I am very sad & must save Jesus.* I will beg Pilate to free him from the cross. *B. I am sad but also joyful* because Jesus will atone for my sins. So, *I just watch Jesus being tortured* because only through such a sadistic way I can live eternally in heaven. Muslims will definitely choose A. Meanwhile, Christians will not choose an answer. *That means Jesus was sent NOT to atone for original sin on the cross.* *Jesus was actually SENT for What?* * In the OT (Old Testament), God is WRATH on the Jews / Israelites because of their sins:* stealing, killing, adultery, worshiping idols (Jeremiah 7:9), and other sins. * Every time a prophet was sent, the Jews were unfaithful & commit sins.* Prophets Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, etc. That is why God sent the next prophet, namely Jesus. *So, what was Jesus sent for?* Between these 2 choices, *which one is more logical, connected & consistent* with the mission of the previous Jewish prophets? *1. Jesus was sent to ENFORCE the Torah law* which the Israelites often violated, such as worshiping idols, killing, stealing, bribery, committing adultery and distorting God's word (Jer 8:8) OR ..... *2. Jesus was sent as a sacrifice to atone for original sin created by Paul?* In the Bible, God never ordered animal sacrifices. *And God strictly forbids human sacrifice, which is a pagan tradition* (Greek, Roman, Ancient Egyptian, Ancient Japanese, Ancient Korean, Aztec, Inca). *God will erase Israel's sins through repentance, do good deeds, leave burnt offerings & evil deed. *God never said He would erase Israel's sins by replacing animal sacrifices with human sacrifices,* by redeeming original sin on the cross. *Jesus himself said he came not to abolish the Torah law,* but to fulfill it. *And Jesus never said he would fulfill the Torah law by redeeming original sin on the cross.* (That's why when he was about to be arrested, Jesus was afraid, hid, told his disciples to buy swords, sad, prostrated & prayed). *Jesus gave requirement for eternal life by following God's commands* (Torah law): doing good, leaving sins, and repenting (Mark 10:17-25, Mark 9:43-47, Matthew 18:3, John 5 : 29, etc). *Jesus never said:* People will live eternal life if they believe in him as a redeemer of original sin on the cross. *In John 5:29, people will enter heaven and be judged in hell according to good or bad deeds.* Jesus never said he would judge if people did not believe in him as a sacrifice who atone for original sin. WAKE UP Christians

[@anaalhak4711]

Who created the Koran? The Koran was created by Mentor, Jaraka ibn Nafal, Said ibn Ami, Obeidullah, Omer, Amaja, Ali, Kadir ibn Kaledo, as well as other well-known and unknown poets. The mentor went from one to the other and was the first to write down -- there is no other God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet -- . Jaraka ibn Nafal agreed with this. The Koran was compiled day by day, month by month, year by year. Jaraka ibn Nafal was read according to form, and he determined what Muhammad would teach and tell people. For twenty-three years, Gabriel appeared to Muhammad in various places and on various occasions. The mentor said that Muslims do not need an intermediary to turn to God. Temples, churches, monasteries insult God. Members of Islam can pray wherever they want, whether alone or in a crowd. A believer can also pray naked, but not with a woman, because then the demonic will work in him. From its beginning, Islam is less a religion and more an aspiration for power. Belief in Allah and Muhammad is a trap behind which hides the intention for Muhammad to create a state where only his word will be respected. Kadir ibn Kaledo is a poet and a traveling actor, he sat for days in a closed room with Muhammad and taught him acting and reciting verses, movements, looking at the sky and pointing his finger at Allah and so on.

[@vicmath1005]

Thomas the Presbyter called the 634 CE military force: ṭayyāyē d-Mḥmd (Tai tribals of Mḥmd). The Mḥmd part of the expression would have been apt, as, for the Nazarenes, the real king among them was always Jesus, while the senior-most administrator of a kingdom or empire was either a Successor (Caliph) or Commander of the Faithful (Amīr al-muʾminīn). For example, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab always signed as Amīr al-muʾminīn and never as Caliph. If one follows the Mus1im testimony of faith or al-Tashahhud (التشهد) recited every day, Mu-hammad is alive, showing al-Tashahhud was a Nazarene testimony of faith - way before the time of the Abbasids. For the Nazarenes, the only person other than Allah to be in heaven is Jesus. So Jesus is always alive.

[@TheLionFarm]

Jesus was resurrected after he died "Muhammad was merely following in the footsteps of Basilides, the Valentinians, the Manicheans and other heretics of early times. (Tisdall, The Religion of the Crescent, p. 168)." Don't make Muhammad an idol and face the Kaaba and kiss it As what is it? 1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. So know history Islam is an abomination that doesn't know the apostolics well Do you know early church history before 400AD?

[@vicmath1005]

@@TheLionFarm Before 750 CE, whatever writings and inscriptions we have from the 1slamic side, including qur-an, there is no *ibn/bin* following the word Mu-hammad. *ibn/bin* is a patronymic, used for *all* qur-anic/Nazarene personalities during the period. No exception! This continued until the Abbasids came along in 750 CE. Then, under the Abbasid-sponsored fake history, the word Mu-hammad is followed by *ibn/bin.* So, *Mu-hammad* *abd-Allah* (= the Praised One, slave of Allah) became, *Mu-hammad* *ibn* *Abd-Allah* (Mu-hammad son of Abd-Allah). Every Mus1im need to ask, why the word Mu-hammad is not followed by a patronymic before 750 CE. The answer is super simple: it was the title of Jesus, as is made abundantly clear by the Dome of the Rock inscriptions.

[@simonskinner1450]

Christianity is disconnected to its roots in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The Torah of Abraham is not followed by Christianity, Judaism or Islam. Jesus was the Messiah in the faith of Abraham.

[@louisecordier9428]

The Torah was for the HEBREWS to prepare them for the MESSIAH, JESUS, who FULFILLED it and replaced it with the NEW COVENANT which is for ALL people.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@louisecordier9428 The Torah given to Abraham is the same law as Christs law, the covenant of Moses was changed by Jesus to allow forgiveness of sins by repentance. I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' and expose falsehoods in Christianity with the truth from the NT.

[@louisecordier9428]

@@simonskinner1450 you’ve never read either, have you? Thanks for showing us that. The Torah paved the way for the Messiah and Jesus FULFILLED all their requirements and COMPLETED what they demanded by His sacrificial death on the cross (the Perfect and Final Lamb of God) and His resurrection from the Grave. You need to read both Romans and HEBREWS in the NT to comprehend this and to discuss it intelligently.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Jesus is the Torah and much more. He is the Word made Flesh.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@louisecordier9428 The amendment to the Torah given to Abraham due to sin used blood and sacrifice to teach sinners about merciful judgement to come with the Messiah. By his blood Jesus changed the covenant Moses as Hebrews 9:22, and is now judge in heaven, which was the Mercy Seat in the holy of Holies. The gospel is that by repentance you can be forgiven by mercy and grace because you deserve it. You have not said in which way Jesus fulfilled his requirements when he died, whereas my videos fully explain the symbolism of the Temple polity and how that was fulfilled. I suspect you have a different view to the sacrifice and that is not a question of intelligence but indoctrination.

[@generaljg4373]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a verse in the bible that says God is a truine or jesus saying that he is God 🥱

[@louisecordier9428]

Only children ask for cartoon colors and that is what you are doing. Adults research things out for themselves and dont expect to be spoon fed. Besides, what has this boring and typical deflection have to do with the topic of this video? Attacking Jesus will never prove Islam.

[@jonathanterol4528]

Now why would anyone do the legwork for you? Are you that special?

[@ethercruiser1537]

I already gave you 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Now we also know from John 1 that the Word = Jesus (1:1,14). There are also many proofs that Jesus claimed to be God (the LORD, the great I AM). Probably the easiest is John 8:58, “Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was I am.” The Pharicees understood Jesus was equating Himself to God, which for them was blasphemy worthy of death, so they tried to immediately stone Him to death!

[@SamsonMightyWarrior]

@general g you're troll follower of satanic teaching already shown you many times but the devil in you stubborn to listen lol 😝😝😝 Matt. 28 Verses 18 to 20 [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

@Ethercruiser1 He is not smart enough to understand. He was shown by all of us many times and doesn't really care. He only wants to waste your and all of our time for nothing.

[@stevenjohnson-yx1fl]

The Quran says the bible is a revelation of God but the bible says there are no more prophets to come after John

[@mohamadromzee7394]

Dear Christians, Jesus peace be upon him is NOT god. He eat and hence need food to survive. Since Jesus is not God by default Islam is indeed the truth. Goto The Muslim Lantern, EFDAWAH and Blogging Theology for the truth.

[@wabisabi6248]

Is you only criteria for godhood the act of eating to survive...a pretty low bar. Anyhow why is the allah in the quran confused about himself? Why is jesus mentioned more and praised more in the quran than anyone else?

[@alexandernorman5337]

John 20:27-29 - Yeshua confirms that he is God. Furthermore, in Genesis 3:21, God made a covering for Adam and Eve from animal skin - which involves a sacrifice! This is symbolic for our need for a covering for our sin and symbolizes God's promise to make this atonement. Abraham's obediance to the direction to sacrifice Isaac (Genesis 22) is both a reaffirmation of that promise "God himself will provide" and instruction for men to seek it. Where in islam is this promise fulfilled, or do you muslims call God a liar?

[@kevinobidi6451]

Yeah sure why are you Lying 😂😂

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

Dear Muslims Jesus always hinted that He is God in so many ways. Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be you perfect. Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and He said, This should you say unto the children of Israel, I Am has sent me unto you. Jesus said in John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. :57 Then said the Jews unto Him, you are not yet fifty years old, and hast you seen Abraham? :58 Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. :59 Then took they up stones to cast at Him: but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the middle of them, and so passed by. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. :31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. :32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from My Father; for which of those works do you stone me? :33 The Jews answered Him, saying, for a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God. And there's so much more than this, so please read the Bible for more information than this. Your external life depends on it.

[@mohamadromzee7394]

@@wabisabi6248 Dear Brother, The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded from the truth! [Surah Al-Ma’idah; 5:75] God does not need food to survive. He require no sustenance. He is independent while everything is dependant on him. More significantly and the noble Quran does not say it directly but what happens afterwards after you eat. Do you think god in all his Majesty would perform the action?

[@victorvalandybernard7944]

What the point of y disrepecting the Religion of millions of people

[@stevenjohnson-yx1fl]

Luke 16verse 16 the law and the prophets were until John since that time the kingdom of God is preached and every man pressed into it

[@anaalhak4711]

Jaraka ibn Nafal was the first to translate the Old Testament into Arabic, he knew the Talmud by heart. Jaraka ibn Naal was a blind man. There were several calls to prayer, but the call to prayer of Jarak ibn Nafal is recited today. Musaba ibn Omeire knew the Koran and the Old Testament best. Abu Haleha and Atika ibn Aziz are the husbands of Khadija, whom she strangled in the ecstasy of love For Muslims, the greatest oath -- Dina mi and imaan mi one Allah and God's prophet Muhammad --. Din was the name of one of Abd Allah's brothers who was slaughtered by a Bedouin under a tent because he found him in a loving embrace with his mother, who complained that he was raping her. Alcohol is normally drunk. Abd Allah Muhammad's father performed ablution with wine and milk from camels and sheep. The first person who received Islam was Mentor, I will describe everything about him later, but it is written that it was Muhammad, and then Khadija. The divorced daughter of Muhammed, Rukaja remarried to Osman ibn Afan. In the presence of two witnesses, one becomes a Muslim. Muhammad's grandmother is a Jewess from Medina

[@anaalhak4711]

Hatidja strangled her first two husbands in the ecstasy of love. Her father was upset because of her behavior, it is not known who was not on her or under her. She married Muhammed and gave birth to three sons. 1. Al Kasim - dispenser of justice 2. Abd Menaf - the name of an idol in the Kaaba 3. Al Tahir - clean and two daughters Fatima and Rukaja When Muhammad came to Khadija's family in Taif -- Khadija died in 616 when she was bitten by a snake while picking nettles -- he came after her death and asked her family for help. Her family accused him of killing Khadija like that. that he planted a snake under her pillow, because it bothered him that she was old and weak, and he wanted her to be with Aisha. He did not renounce Hatidja's inheritance. There was an argument and Jaraka ibn Nafal was killed there, he was killed by a black man with an ox yoke, there someone knocked out half of Muhammad's teeth. When Muhammad saw that words did not help, he ordered swords, sabers and knives to be taken out and told his men to remember who is coming at you and God's messenger.

[@onceamusician5408]

maybe you are trying too hard to discredit islam ON EVERY POINT maybe it falls apart on just one or two and the inner logicof the texts, quran and hadith is surely enough. a heaven which is feasting and fornicaiton is no heaven worthy of a holy God a god who lies and his prophet who lies are not holy therefore not a true god andwho would give up life in christ for a mere law code??

[@alexandernorman5337]

But it is good to talk about all of it. Credibility is subjective. Information which discredits islam for one person may not work for another due to different desires, levels of understanding, etc.

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

1 Peter 2:24 Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness by Whose stripes you were healed.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@alonzoharris9049 🐷MOPllEEDO🐷 had lots of different idols

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

@Alonzo Harris Are you a real person or parakeet. 😄 By the way, you failed the test, go and study so you can retake it.

[@RichWhiteUM]

@@alonzoharris9049 Premise 1- Muslims: Allah is all powerful! Premise 2- Also Muslims: Allah can't do that! Conclusion- Allah is not all powerful nor is Allah the true God!

[@anaalhak4711]

When Muhammad proclaimed himself the messenger of God, they were present 1- Mentor - I will write a complete description about this person later 2 - Jaraka ibn Nafal - killed by a black man with an ox yoke 3 - Said ibn Ami - he hanged himself 4 - Abd Talib - he was killed by swarms of wasps - I will write a full description about this later. Huveiled Castle, a beautiful castle built by Khadija's father, it was here that Muhammad opened the first public house in Arabia to make his Muslims happy. He bought slave girls in Jetrieb and they were looked after by the slave Seid. There, Abu Bakr was rejuvenated thanks to the young women, and to make him a better Muslim, Muhammad declared him his assistant. One day, passing by a public house full of himself in his eyes, someone threw a shovelful of excrement at him. Humiliated and ashamed, he asked Muhammad to close the brothel. Muhammad did not answer him, but he knew that many women and men intended to burn down the castle.

[@georgeo785]

So where the people that claim the earth is millions of years old. Eye witnesses

[@AffableCounselorNumber1]

How far these people are trustworthy about their enemy religion, Islam?

[@alexandernorman5337]

The thing is though, they (the Persians) *certainly are trustworthy* about the administrative dates of their empire - who was ruling when and who was doing what when. That's the reason why the difference between the accounts is very peculiar.

[@AffableCounselorNumber1]

@@alexandernorman5337 Persian empire is not a piece of Islam. You are fools.

[@AffableCounselorNumber1]

@mysotiras 018 They are absolutely trustworthy in the matter of falsehood. They never deviate into truth. We are truly convinced about the truths of Islam as and when we find the falsehood-lovers from among the Christians declare those as false.

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@AffableCounselorNumber1 You're playing ignorant, but it ain't working. The Sassanid Persians *have every reason to accurately record the deeds of their leaders* because that is a vital part of governorship. Thus, their dating should be accurate! And so if islam's dating doesn't match theirs - well, there is *undeniably* a problem. Why don't they match?

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@AffableCounselorNumber1 Boy, are you mistaken! The Sassanids were Zoroastrian. And their governing records should be accurate - because governments depend on accurate records. And so then why is it that their records for dates and events not match with islamic historical records? One obvious possibility - the islamic historical narrative is in error.

[@othmanahmad7331]

To all christian im here once again that my challange is not because I hate you or hate your belief . I m aware that I cannot hate your belief or hurting you but to open your mind. Maybe some of you will think carefully and ponder yourself and try to understand al quran. Do your own research. Dont depend on other sometimes people are dishonest. I m aware that I have no reward from Allah if I deliberately insult you. May Allah forbade me from such ugly attitude. If you see islam is the truth accept it.If you reject up to you. No one can force you. Lastly in the day of judgement we all will face one true God the creator of us and the aalamiin( Whole universe).

[@simonskinner1450]

Neither Christianity, Judaism or Islam follow the Torah of Abraham and therefore are unlinked to Gods laws. Abraham received the Torah and Gospel from God, which is the word of God. However the word of God can be found in the Holy Bible New Testament.

[@MU-we8hz]

I have done my own research and my conclussion is that islam is false and mohamed is a false prophet. AlhamduJesus

[@othmanahmad7331]

@@simonskinner1450 : how can ibrahim received torah since he came about more than 1000 years before moses. Allah give torah to moses. Ibrahim received several suhuf(smaller than book).

[@malualmarengajou5359]

You sound so sure about your fate in afterlife.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@othmanahmad7331 Tgat is your problem if you are a Muslim. Sura 3:65 claims Islam is built on the Torah given to Moses not Abraham, but Abraham was given the Torah, Moses was given an amendment because of sin. God started his church with Abraham and he obeyed God's laws. Sharia is nothing like the Torah given to Abraham.