The STIHL MS 362c vs. the MS 400c Chainsaw

[@Carlsmower]

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[@Houseworksaws]

I’ve had a 400 for a couple weeks now and it’s quickly become my favorite saw.

[@mattsfirewoodvideos738]

I've had mine since Friday and I've used it twice and on my 4th tank of fuel great saw

[@danielsmith8659]

I was considering for a long time getting a 362 to replace my 290. Same weight essentially for wayyy more saw. Now that the 400 is out, it just seems like why buy the 362 when for .5 a lb you can have the 400.

[@mattsfirewoodvideos738]

It's an awesome saw

[@BLAM777]

Had the ms 362 c but after seeing all the problems with it not running right and dying while running brought it back and got the 400c instead.

[@manuelve1998]

I’ve had my paws on 4 different 362 cm’s and three have been flawless. Fourth one needed minor tinkering but I’d buy a 362 again in a heartbeat if I couldn’t get my hands on a 400 cm.

[@timtorkelson7201]

Though initially I contemplated going 362 I went 462cm and SOOOO glad I did It's a beast! Joy to cut wood with.

[@deliverybryan1138]

I have a ms 362 CM and I love my Sthil and Sthil Forever will always be a Sthil man !!!

[@markatkinson9963]

Used to feel the same way, until I tried others. They areall good in their own way.

[@travisteeter5072]

Love my 361 w/ a 25" and now and even happier owning a 500i w/ 28" that weighs almost the same

[@quincehatfield4610]

Dude, same here

[@pitchpines3851]

Just ordered a 400 C. Seems to be hit or miss availability here on the East Coast. Thanks for the videos!

[@Carlsmower]

There's supply issues everywhere unfortunately. Let us know how you like it after you try it out!

[@mattsfirewoodvideos738]

I just picked one up from my local stihl dealer in bucks County Pennsylvania love it

[@EcSsAwS]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 25" BAR Listen. Straight facts That 25" bar has the SAME DRIVER COUNT as anyone else's 24" bar. Its 84 drivers Regardless 84 driver in 3/8 pitch. Equals 24" Also. GREAT way to not warm a saw up

[@Carlsmower]

The fact Stihl labels it a 25” bar gets me all the time. I say 24 to people almost daily, but it is labeled 25”.

[@truckercowboyrobertharris6787]

Very impressed with the Stihl MS 400 chainsaw. I have the MS 180.

[@markatkinson9963]

Quite a power difference between those two.

[@richardried4197]

Switch the bar and chain over. So it's the same bar and chain. It's the only way to get a true comparison

[@BG-vq9fd]

I was thinking MS500i but maybe I do not need that much saw.

[@ranchertrapperdieselbuilds3632]

If you dont know how much saw you need then you definitely don't need no 500i. Unless you cut timber or alot of firewood or have a sawmill or equipment and stuff of some kind then theres no point in having a pro grade saw from a 362 up unless you just like saws! I run a woodmizer and have a excavator and cut boat loads of wood and my 362 is my baby along w a 441 that's plenty of saw to keep a big mill fed with a good excavator swinging wood and loading trailers I used a 500i for about 3 weeks and kept having bolts back out in 2 different spots. My 362 and 461 have been through the absolute ringer and I'd take them through the gates of hell right now

[@seaturkey5608]

I've had no problems with my 500i but I want a ms400 now that they're in the US

[@bobdrake5927]

Though I heard you say "all the way down" on your start of the 362 for second cutting, suggesting full choke. Perhaps I wrong. I've never choked it beyond my first start for the day. I've flooded it if I did, and ended up pulling the plug and cranking about 5X to clear the cylinder. Anyway, I use a chisel chain for the most part, both in felling and bucking, and would likely appreciate the extra HP of the 400 over the 362. I have both a 362 and a 261 for the bulk of my bucking work, and a to fell the big boys, a 441 magnum that's getting heavy for this old guy. The relative lighter weight of the 400 really appeals to me. Now to convince my wife........

[@Carlsmower]

The M-Tronic saws don’t have a “choke” position. There is a start position

[@davido6915]

Had a ms362 and i was never impressed with power of it, my brothers ms290 was almost as fast as it was, that 400 looks nice though, i like how stihl bates you into wanting to move up in power with so many models, i just went all out and got a 462 so I don’t have to keep moving uo every few months, that saves money to just get the biggest the first time.

[@Carlsmower]

That’s a sweet saw

[@walker11288]

With that theory why didn't you go the 500i?

[@jethrobodine011]

Because the 462 is better

[@davidstone4270]

462 is a ways down the stairs from the biggest.

[@saltymofo5870]

For gods sake, just change the bar and chain from one to the other

[@ciphercode2298]

Alot of people in the comments lose focus of what the video is about and would rather argue about technical aspects of how you hold the saw or what bar and chain you're using. I think it was a fine video and your technique is your own. Dont let keyboard experts dictate what you do or how you do it. You can't please them. As for the saws,both look very capable. I could easily see the ms400 replacing the 362 in the pro lineup.

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks for the kind words. It’s tough to get the negative comments but it is also good because it helps me improve. Most often times my challenge is “free time” to make these happen.

[@fullthrottletimber8286]

Keyboard experts ? This guy is clueless on how to operate a saw..obviously... It's how people get hurt...or killed...

[@ciphercode2298]

@@fullthrottletimber8286 Hes left handed and saws are made for righthanded folks. It's hard sometimes to force your body to work on a way that's not natural to it. I've seen other lefties operate the saws the same way. I dont agree with it and it's not ( proper),but hes wearing his ppe doing the demonstration. It's not a how to video,its about the saws and how they compare.

[@kevinbushell2746]

362 did good job but that 400 is the kiddie and the one I've ordered many thanks for your advice top man

[@Carlsmower]

Enjoy it. Would love to see a video of you trying it out!

[@mattsfirewoodvideos738]

I love my 400c I posted a video on my page of it eating 30plus inch ash logs like hot knife in butter great saw imo

[@Carlsmower]

Keep it up!

[@mountainman066]

Great comparison, but why make a point of using all the safety gear and then use the saw cack-handed for regular cuts? I understand using opposite handedness when the situation calls for it, but not for cutting like this :)

[@yea1682]

cutting cackhanded so we can see the chainsaw instead of his ass

[@ianriley4450]

I think you got some saw dust in your socks

[@Carlsmower]

😂

[@gabrielburt9997]

Both of these saws call for 18-25" bars. This video in no way showcases these saws.

[@Carlsmower]

The 362 ships 25” bar in our area and the 400 ships 28” I personally like a shorter bar and more power so I run a 20” on them when I go out cutting.

[@richardried4197]

10 cc larger and a full comp chain who is surprised? Kind of lackluster if you ask me, should have been a blow out. That 400 seems doggy.

[@07100bballer]

Great videos. Thanks for sharing new products like this.

[@t4t4s0l]

Cheers man. Thanks for the video, i love chainsaws. Here in the video you describe more like your feelings about the saws, not much of a real measurement. Yet it is still helpful. I think better would be to have same bar and chain and also to have a new saw "broken in" (having run through couple of tanks of gas prior). But i understand that giddy feeling when getting a new "toy".. I got a 362 and love it with 25 bar, it is light, quick and nimble and yet powerful enough for what i do (i mostly cut limbs / trees that are already fallen on the ground because of storms and that means messy environment of entangled limbs, trunks etc), for bigger stuff i use 462 with 36 oregon bar. Looking at sheets, the ms 400 looks really interesting. I hope you gonna have fun with it, stay safe.

[@thecartatree]

if i had it my way... 18 on 261. 20" 362. 20" 462 25" max. 400 20" max. 500 28" + 660 @ 28-32"

[@Carlsmower]

Why is it the industry standards run to large of bars for the chainsaws? Is it consumers trying to save a buck and not step up to the next size saw? Is it weight?

[@TheToolnut]

​@@CarlsmowerThe rule of thumb is to divide the cc's of one's saw by three and that's one's bar length. For example the Stihl ms 400c is 66cc, 66 divided by three is 22. A 22" bar is perfect for the 400c, 👍💪🪓🌲🇮🇪

[@phi376]

Thanks for making the video. Would have been nice to see you switch the bar between saws to keep it apple to apples 🍎 🍏.

[@Carlsmower]

Next time 😉

[@Troygehring]

Nice video and saw

[@Carlsmower]

Thank you! 👍

[@richardried4197]

Quit rocking the saw back and forth, it's not a hand saw.

[@archo0518]

i bought a 400 to compliment my 262 and 660. I love it! I am amazed at how much torque it has for its light weight.

[@jimlyndoe2927]

You need to learn how to run a saw right handed. It's a good way to cut yourself running it backwards. If you want a true comparison just switch the bar and chain between the saws.

[@Carlsmower]

Thank you for watching out for my safety. I really should’ve just had a 25 inch bar on the MS 400 that would’ve been ideal obviously I was caught up in the moment

[@koltinsteiner24]

Which one do you think is better??

[@Carlsmower]

Of course the power 😉

[@censorshipisreal8805]

I really don't mind when the saws have their own bar and chains.

[@jeffcarinda1719]

Why do you push the lever down to start when you restarted a warm saw?

[@stevenmiddagh6265]

Just get a 462 and get it over with.

[@thomasgronek6469]

Thanks for the video: Is the MS 400 an overboard 362 with a magnesium piston? (It appears that way to me by looking at the specs, but you handled them). same frame, housing etc?

[@Carlsmower]

Cylinder, Piston, Carb, Ignition….. are different but the same body.

[@thomasgronek6469]

@@Carlsmower Thank you.

[@christopherlehman4045]

Cases have been modified also so you can’t easily put the 400 top on a 362. Not going to say it can’t be done at all because I know some guys that will take it as a challenge easy or not

[@johnsweeney1712]

Great video. Keep up the good work.

[@sergejmilanovic3253]

Jarane to ko da je tupo🙄

[@jonatasarantes9080]

Bom dia eu quero saber quando que via chegar a462 De carburador electronic aqui no Brasil?

[@Carlsmower]

No se’

[@jamessnook602]

Use the same bar on both saws?

[@Carlsmower]

I did not use the same bar when cutting with both. They do use the same bar if you’re looking just add another chainsaw and want to share bars.

[@jamessnook602]

That's what I ment.. instead of using 2 different bars and different chains to compare saws, it would have made more sense to share

[@stevengonyaw1617]

I have both saws

[@Carlsmower]

What size bars do you run?

[@stevengonyaw1617]

@@Carlsmower 20 inch, im logging with these saws

[@adelarsen9776]

What will you do when the saw kicks back ?You're only relying on the chain brake and if they fails for whatever reason then you know what will happen. Ouch !

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks for caring about the beat down I’ll take. 😉

[@adelarsen9776]

@@Carlsmower I don't understand your choice of words but I was pointing out that there's no left handed chain saws.

[@Carlsmower]

@@adelarsen9776 I know it is a challenge with there no left-handed chain sauce and you are very left-hand dominant.

[@adelarsen9776]

@@Carlsmower I use both hands 50 50

[@houndjordan]

What will you do when a tree falls on you. Shouldn’t be in the woods I guess 😅

[@rcrbrewster7840]

Different bar lengths and entirely different chains renders the comparison almost useless...

[@Carlsmower]

But shouldn’t a saw with 1 more HP be able to handle a bar that’s 3” longer? After Running the MS400 WOW!!! What a saw, love the power to weight. I’d skip right over the 362 personally

[@Carlsmower]

But can’t a saw with 1 more HP handle that 3” bar jump. After running both I go with the MS40”. The power to weight ratio is incredible, it’s an awesome saw.

[@rcrbrewster7840]

@@Carlsmower Yeah ... I see what you're saying and I prob shouldn't have wrote a kind of negative comment on your vid just my opinion that when you're comparing two machines it's best to keep as many differing variables out of the debate. Like racing two cars where one has 4 passengers and the other just one.

[@Carlsmower]

@@rcrbrewster7840 agreed. Better planning on my part would have allowed me to run the same bar/chain combo.

[@gwp1ohio]

cedar cuts like buttter.

[@Carlsmower]

Sure does. Especially when we have a sharp chain. Watch video we have where I hit the dirt with a 500i

[@MrSilimax]

It's more safe when u hold the throttle with your right hand and front with left hand.

[@Carlsmower]

Especially when you’re right handed. But I am hardcore left handed. 😬

[@bobdrake5927]

@@Carlsmower My bro in law has the same challenge as a lefty, but he gets it done just fine. I've wondered why they don't market for left handers, like they do guitars and other stuff. But with a full cross over bar, does it really matter?

[@07100bballer]

You ran the saw fine. Don’t listen to that guy. Don’t let the haters on here get you my friend.

[@adambatchelder4121]

Would only take a second to swap bars

[@Carlsmower]

Yep failed that one

[@robyeager7283]

Dam man!!!!! Learn n how to run a saw!!!!! Don’t stand behind it. Off to the side!!! And quit Monkypawing the dam thing.

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks for caring about my safety 😉

[@christopherlehman4045]

As a representative dealer you should really demonstrate the proper way to run a saw. There’s no such thing as a left or right handed saw, so you should be running it the way it’s supposed to be with right hand on controls. This is due to handlebar angles ect for safety of operator if a kickback happens.

[@tpurves2006]

What is Monkeypawing?

[@seaturkey5608]

@@christopherlehman4045 most saws have an inirtia break also. There really isn't a left or right, as you also stated

[@christopherlehman4045]

Yes they have an interia break but are still designed to run with right hand on throttle controls. Start kill switch to be operated by right thumb. The wrap bar is angled to help the bar and chain avoid the main part of the operator’s body in the event a kickback gets that far.

[@roberthoovan4130]

What they cost

[@Carlsmower]

$900+ depending on bar choice.

[@roberthoovan4130]

That not bad

[@John-jk4ev]

What you need to have before spending $800 on a Stilh MS 362 chainsaw is a 20 year old Poulan chainsaw that "still" cranks after 20 years. Because the Stilh saw will fail you after 6 months, then after 1 year, 1.5...etc. Stilh having trouble with my MS [POC} 362 after 3 solenoid changes and now have a 2 yr old Stilh setting dead on a table.

[@eurokid83]

Next time just keep the throttle wide open right after starting until it locks up you clown.

[@Carlsmower]

Good idea 😉. The saw was warmed up and the WOT was not long enough to cause any issues. But you’re right we do see that cause problems. I appreciate you calling that out because it’s an opportunity to help others avoid problems.

[@benfairhall5331]

Did you calibrate the m tronic system pre recording?

[@Carlsmower]

On the 362 yes on the brand new 400 out of the box no.

[@benfairhall5331]

@@Carlsmower can I ask why you don’t calibrate considering it’s directive from Stihl?

[@Carlsmower]

@@benfairhall5331 Stihl does not recommend it, they come factory set. Also until a saw is broken in it really isn’t a good idea to go no load WOT for that long of time. After 5-10 hours I may do it.

[@benfairhall5331]

@@Carlsmower how can I come factory set when the factory is not the same place you are? Doesn’t them tronic system work off calibrating to the current conditions eg elevation etc so if the factory is not the same elevation how is it correct? Sorry not trying to come across as a dick just curious

[@Carlsmower]

@@benfairhall5331 the system is continually adjusting itself while in use, you don’t need to calibrate it every use, only after major repairs or service(according to the manual). The calibration reset is more of a hard reset and fro there the saw will continue to make adjustments to perform at peak performance based on fuel, air, load, …….