The Stormlight Archive: Rhythm of War (Part IV) by Brandon Sanderson Spoiler Talk

Mike continues full spoilers for Part IV (Chapters 73-97, Interludes 10/12) of Brandon Sanderson's fourth entry into The Stormlight Archive, Rhythm of War.
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[@nickyrd3]

So Lirin and Kaladin both blame themselves for Tien's death but they do so in different ways. Kalaldin blames himself for not being stronger and being able to protect him. Lirin blames himself for being the instigator of his death by antagonizing Roshone as a result he's lost of his will to fight. Essentially Kaladin blames himself for not fighting harder and Lirin blames himself for fighting to begin with.

[@calebmauer1751]

I was fascinated by all the light stuff, it was so interesting to me. So to each their own as you said.

[@sjkrum320]

Yeah I was geeking out pretty hard lol

[@calebmauer1751]

@@sjkrum320 Yeah, I can't wait to see how Sanderson combines the Light mechanics with the other planets' magic systems.

[@callum7081]

I’m glad it’s there for the world building but man I found it boring to read.

[@aplatypusguy27]

I wonder if Sanderson didn't make it Navani's book because she isn't a Willshaper... I know he wants there to be one flashback character for each of the 10 Radiant orders, so that may have been why this was Venli's book rather than Navani's. I think Venli could be a great character, but I would've preferred her flashbacks to be in the second half of the series.

[@zxlime]

10/10 agreed this Dabbid chapter was hauntingly beaufiful and sad at the same time. I do not know anyone on the spectrum but hot damn I will remember the thing about where he tries to strangle himself forever.

[@ViperRT99]

Raboniel's killing of her daughter was a mercy. I couldn't imagine living thousands of years watching you daughter deteriorate. Can't imagine how Essu felt never being able to find her mother for thousands of years.

[@Haxerous]

It wasn't Veil who killed Ialai, it was Radiant. Also, Radiant is still around, only Veil merged her memories with Shallan.

[@mikesbookreviews]

Yeah, I goofed. Wrote Veil in my notes. I will take my lashes on this one.

[@Haxerous]

@@mikesbookreviews Ha ha. No. Just wanted to let you know in case you missed it or got confused. It's a giant ass book after all.

[@trevorfultz]

I’m pretty sure he’s picking the POV characters based on who is the FIRST to become their Order’s Radiant (at least for the good side...in Szeth’s case). The big theory is that the big 10 POV characters will make up the new Oathpact.

[@ArlynChanel]

That would be awesome!

[@trevorfultz]

@@ArlynChanel definitely epic though it’d come with some major hardships for the characters we love :(

[@ArlynChanel]

@@trevorfultz Very true. I would really love an ending that was bittersweet. It would be so much more emotional and meaningful if that makes sense.

[@nickb1680]

Don’t let the haters get to you Mike! Keep being honest with your opinions, that’s what we are all here for! You absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one when you said that the fandom is only willing to accept criticism of Shallan and none of the other characters! I’ve seen the same thing in my experiences in the stormlight communities! Like you, I’m a fan of Shallan! Her and Adolin’s storyline, along with Navani’s are my favourites from this book! To be honest, though I love both Kaladin and Die Hard, I found his sections of this book to be a bit too drawn out and predictable for me. I’d have preferred to have a bit less Kaladin in this book, and a lot less Venli. I also totally agree, Navani should have been the flashback character and her flashbacks would have been waaaay more interesting to me than just re-hashing Venli/Eshonai (a lot of which we already knew from WoR)

[@talitagirardi1]

I have only part five to go, but I'm procrastinating because it's the last Stormlight new book in probably 3 years, and I'm savoring the last few chapters. I whatched a Brandon video saying the he knows Venli's pov would be percieved as boring, be he needed to tell the story, so I'm trusting the content is necessary. Also have a son on the spectrum, and I really like his depiction of mental illnesses. I thought very heavy on infodumping, and I'll have to re-read several times until I fully understand the fabrials science stuff.

[@neutral_narr]

Well 4 years now lol

[@charlespeter5610]

I've been relating super heavy to Kaladin as an adult who struggles with clinical depression. Dabbid though? Broke my heart. What a much-needed POV

[@TylerAldrich]

I feel like this book is more for the Cosmere fans than anything.

[@OtherTheDave]

I can totally see that.

[@kalin1161]

I don’t think it’s just this book. I think the entire series is going to be about cosmere as it progresses. The scope is getting too big to be just about Roshar.

[@mmorgan1980]

Completely agree about the "everyone is sacrosanct... except Shallan" view that a lot of people in the fandom have🤬 She is my favorite Stormlight character, so its always nice to find a fellow fan.

[@mikesbookreviews]

I just don't get why every other character is off limits but it's okay to dunk on Shallan. Seems stupid.

[@trevorfultz]

Wit’s story with this book was my favorite BY FAR! Like, it’s not even close! Maybe it’s because it hit me a bit more personally than most. And it seemed more relevant to the story than the past ones.

[@Stairdweller]

I've really enjoyed all of Wit's stories but the one I found the most personally impactful was Fleet.

[@trevorfultz]

@@Stairdweller that’s my second fave!

[@roylandrum863]

Navani isn't the 'flashback' character because she isn't a Willshaper.

[@GreeneZonee]

I would like to learn more about Navani but I think if she had that much page time plus flashbacks it would have been too much imo.

[@alexcavoli6191]

And I thought Ryboniel killing her daughter to be touching and showed a compassionate side her. There was nothing she could do for her daughter but give her peace.

[@matth268]

Part 4 was more "sloggy" than winter's heart and t.o.m put together.

[@ArlynChanel]

I totally agree with you here Mike. I was really hoping RoW would be his best Stormlight book to date but I feel like that isn’t going to be the case. I’m still enjoying it like crazy but I feel like I felt more emotions and pay off in earlier books like WoR for example.

[@OtherTheDave]

I think both Oathbringer and Rhythm of War suffer a bit from “middle book” syndrome. This one _maybe_ more than Oathbringer? Not entirely sure since I didn’t reread books 1-3 before this one. Also, it’s kinda hard to say without knowing where it goes in book 5. And books 6-10, I suppose, since there’s still one overarching story for all 10 books. Anyway, I still thoroughly enjoyed this book (as well as Oathbringer).

[@AndrewsWizardlyReads]

Just finished part 4 and I pretty much argee with you. People I’ve been talking to keep saying it’s the best Sanderson book so far. I’m like are we reading the same book? it’s a solid 7/10 for me after part four. It’s great but it is not the best in the storm light archive

[@mikesbookreviews]

Yeah I don’t get the “this is the best Stormlight book” folks. But I’m glad they’re happy.

[@AndrewsWizardlyReads]

@@mikesbookreviews It’s not a bad book in my opinion. It’s a 7/10 for me right now but the first three books are 9/10 and up.

[@henrywayne5724]

@@AndrewsWizardlyReads Well, that's YOUR opinion. It's personally my favorite book of all time. This book was a 5/5 for me. Oathbringer was my least favorite.

[@AndrewsWizardlyReads]

@@henrywayne5724 Good for you. I’m happy you liked it so much part five bumped it up to an 8/10 for me.

[@joshuafowler883]

The fight between Kaladin and his father was heartbreaking. Michael Reading's audio for it was phenomenal! Going to be honest, this is the first book where Shallan doesn't get on my nerves. The whole thing with Pattern was interesting also. I loved Dabbid becoming more of a POV character. Since most of Bridge Four are just avatars of Brandon's friends, I believe that all will be fleshed out.

[@9Jov]

Yo, this is the first time I'm hearing about someone not liking the Wit/Kal scene in this book (not talking about you Mike). Honestly, anyone that says that scene was a "waste of time" or whatever: this series is not for you.

[@callum7081]

Gatekeeping a book series

[@anomanderrake5434]

Dude that scene was the most simple children's story level stuff. It's not good enough to take a whole chapter. The book is already long and dragging. That chapter could have been done in less than 5 pages.

[@Arezoo298195]

I loved the sciency stuff but it did feel like first year college physics courses in some parts. 😂 I can understand your eyes glazing over in those parts.

[@trevorfultz]

Just finished the book an hour ago! What an amazing story!

[@elizabethdavis5661]

I was wondering why this book felt so familiar, but didn't make the WoT connection. Good call!

[@JB-gr3jl]

Good afternoon from West Texas. RoW is a good book, not a perfect one. I'm not thrilled with Venli. I do like learning about the Parshendi, but Venli isn't one of my favorites. I love Rlain of course, but Raboniel is a great character as well. I like the scenes with her and Navani a lot. I wanted more out of Adolin and Shallan's characters. I really like how Maya's story is progressing. I'm loving Kaladin and his story. I'm loving Dabbid's story. I'm ready for Moash/Vyre to be over. The Persuer is meh for me. I definitely like this book and will definitely reread it. Thanks for the review.

[@Mug-of-Beans]

First: absolutely agree about part 3. Some of the worst pacing in a stormlight book so far. I honestly think both Kaladin and Shallan serve for some great mental health rep in different ways. Kaladin's is kinda obvious, because... y'know. Depression sucks (an understatement if there ever was one) Shallan's I think has less to do with her fantastical multiple personalities and more to do with her expectation that she doesn't deserve to be loved, and that if her friends and family knew about her "true" self that they would abandon her. We the readers don't really need to think about that, because she's married to the Ascended Bro to end all Bros, Adolin Storming Kholin. So of course we know she'll be accepted no matter who she is or what she's done. But Shallan doesn't just expect to be rejected, she thinks she deserves to be rejected. I love that her arc this book centers primarily around accepting the love of her loved ones, and not buying into the lies she tells herself about who she is or isn't, or what she does or doesn't deserve. Good stuff.

[@tennesseedime407]

I loved the Shallan Chapter. You can heal and be happy while still struggling and fighting. People need to let her heal

[@smaug1234]

Yep I liked this part more then part 3 myself. For those who think Shallan is all better now, think again, although on screen she may be portrayed as mentally healed from this point on, she will need to constantly keep working on it to keep from relapsing. Mental health is such a big part of this series, some is of the magical variety, some is what normal people have to deal with. I found the early Kal chapters hard to read outside the action parts, but that's what its like to deal with depression, to know you shouldn't feel like you do, but you do feel like it no matter what. I think a Navani flashback would give too much away too early. The flashbacks do get stronger as you get to the end. Alot of the people going insane over this book atm are doing it more for cosmere reasons then the events of the book imo, so much stuff to read into. Cant wait for part 5 :)

[@jasonbrewbaker3932]

I love Venli and I think she was the perfect character to flashback to. I love learning character motivations and to me Venli is one of the most complex interesting characters outside of Dalinar

[@brightskysyl3913]

ROW Interlude 11 Spoiler . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Am I the only one who thinks Adin's interlude is a foreshadowing that he's gonna be the next face of the Windrunners for the second arc because Kaladin is going to die in book five? :):

[@SwipeSide19]

Very frustrated with the community that you are basically forced to clarify you are not saying the book is terrible. Let the man express his opinion

[@curtweston2156]

I haven't really enjoyed the Stormlight Archive since half way through book 3. I think that I might give up on the series entirely.

[@thesmuli83]

Great ending to the evening Spoiler Talk part IV. Ps Lirin is a world class 💩asshole 💩 There is no way Lirin can get into my good books anymore. Even if he saved the whole world from destruction, Lirin is an asshole for me. Sorry for my strict language🤯

[@dustin_thewind]

my issue with shallan is that if she wasnt in the book at all it wouldnt be any worse, it might even be better. I dont hate the character, she just hasn't really done anything other than argue with herself. I feel like a person could start the series and skip all her POVs and not really miss anything. shes like a side character with main character "screen" time. hopefully book 5 makes her feel important.

[@williamaddison-atkinson8244]

Wit is just a very irritating character. But I liked him best in this book. Just about to start the last chapter. This is alot better than Oathbringer, but not as good as the first 2 books.

[@odiums_taint]

part three sucked. appreciate you being honest

[@Loganva]

I get the criticism but sucked? What makes you go that far?

[@odiums_taint]

@@Loganva in a ‘sucked the wind out of the sails’ way. i feel all the fabrial scientific method tedium, was in a different style than the rest of stormlight.

[@YouJGSousa]

It’s not science, it’s magic, and even for an engineer is quite boring. I didn’t care. I guess the point is to support the inner thoughts of Navani because in the science is when she is having her internal monologues. Without the science it would navani talking to her self doing nothing.

[@maxwelljohnson5221]

I agree the flashback chapters were some of the worst chapters within the book

[@lionheartstanza]

Really appreciate your candor w/ these reviews. You're doing great work. I really loved ROW and thought it's been the best paced throughout.

[@13thnite]

Hey Mike. First off my comma doesn't work on this keyboard so forgive the strange sentence structure. I've been watching your videos for about a year now and I love the personal touches you add through editing but I've never felt the need to comment until hearing your take on Wit's story to Kaladin. I will preface this by saying I probably fall closer to the camp of loving Brando even if he wrote the ABC's so you know the take this all with a grain of salt. But for me I absolutely loved that chapter because Kaladin has/is going through his own personal hell and there is no respite from his own mind torturing him. So for Wit to take the time to give him a moments solitude. A warm meal and a comforting story... Man it just broke my heart and continues to do so whenever I reflect on it. I do realize that at the end of the day that chapter doesn't add much to the story aside from funny interactions between Wit and his Spren and the aforementioned break for Kaladin. But that there is why I love it. (And none of that at all means that my feelings about this scene make it a good scene. It's just why it worked for me :)

[@13thnite]

ALSO the 'true' ending to the story "The dog thought to himself. No other dog ever had it this good." MY HEART OMG

[@shnaragarrison1627]

Did you hear about Dune and HBO Max!!!

[@reflexjat3822]

just wait until part 5 my friend

[@ZaidPhyre]

10:30 And Wit revealed that there's a DRAGON on Roshar

[@goldenboy140]

Cultivation is a dragon so yeah, he means her

[@trevorfultz]

Man you’re gonna hate book 6, huh?

[@callum7081]

Lifts dialogue is so cringe the line about pooping does not fit in high fantasy I despise some of the lines.

[@ThanatoselNyx]

I know what you mean but Sanderson writes with a LOT of Americanisms that also take me out of the story. E.g. So many characters say "I guess", etc. Stuff that is very modern speak.

[@pedroalves7290]

11:03 I don't like Adolin at all. He's too privileged and without any kind of traumas to me. I really don't like how he is too beautiful, too rich, too happy, too lucky to marry one of the most intelligent girls in the world, too good at swordsmanship. I'd rather if Jasnah was the one in Shadesmar being judged and not him, she's much more capable of.

[@sciencystuff2106]

You should watch Elliot Brooks she too doesn't like Adolin. Kind off similar opinion like you

[@pedroalves7290]

@@sciencystuff2106 I definitely will do, thanks!

[@CrapSandviche]

YESSSSSS MORE......MORE..... MORE!!!!!

[@ReallyGoodandKind]

Miiiiiiiiike. Terry Goodkind is coming for youuuuuuuu.

[@callum7081]

Lol

[@brightskysyl3913]

I prefer slow burn books that's why I love every Stormlight book with all their structures and "slogs." I would even read Adolin going to a seamstress and choose what fabrics to use for his clothes or just Wit telling various stories about dogs and their favorite food.

[@CallmeJochem]

I feel ya, Mike. I had a lot of the same problems that you had throughout this book. Flashbacks weren't that interesting and didn't add a lot to the story, part 3 was a bit of a slog, a bit too much science-talk. Still I absolutely loved this book. You're right, part 5 is gonna blow your socks off, but I also loved the whole Kaladin storyline, Navani is great, Adolin & Shallan's storyline was very intruiging. I felt like Sanderson took some of the best parts of his previous books and just took it a step further in this one. The focus on Kaladin's mental health like in WoK, Shallan and the Ghostbloods from WoR and Shadesmar from Oathbringer. Plus, I feel like every book (except WoR) has a part that I find reaaally slow. For WoK it's part 2, for OB it's part 1 and with this one it's part 3. Still absolutely loved it and book 5 will be more to your preference! Really curious to find out what you're gonna think of Part 5.

[@Ulmo90]

I liked that some of the honorspren turned out to be far from honorable. First they put Kalek on hold since Shallan spoke to him and he begun to think ablut what he was doing. Then the main honorspren took the judge seat, had Maya as witness but spoke for her, "interpreting" her screams. That made Maya's breakthrough and finally speaking very impactfull

[@brightskysyl3913]

Just finished Part 4! Navani is growing on me. Used to hate her because she snubbed Evi before.

[@CRohrscheib]

I'm so with you on the technical Navani chapters. I'm a scientist and I felt like I was at work sometimes, which isn't the most pleasant reading experience 😅. With that said, there have been so many touching moments in this book that I've been able to forgive some of the slower chapters. I desperately want to give Dabbid a big hug 🥰

[@pedroalves7290]

I'm currently studying physics at university so the science moments were gold to me cause how accurate the Sanderson's magic system is with our own scientific reality.

[@obsidian....]

1,000,000% on the Wheel of Time comparison and how tenuous it has made my relationship with this book

[@sjkrum320]

The Davvid chapter really got me too! I totally thought of you while listening to it and was hoping you'd bring it up! What i liked best about the whole thing with Shalon was that she had to face the truth. Because if there is a "magic pill" for her trauma, it's going to involve facing her past and accepting it. I love it. I love the whole thing with Myah too! Great stuff. But this book definitely has a middle of the series feeling for sure.

[@fernandogarcia3957]

I like Shallan too!! Thank you for this nicely reasoned video on this book. Have a good year and keep it up!!

[@najeebhq]

Finally someone said it! The parallels to Kaladin and Rand in Gathering Storm are so strong, but people just say it's a common trope, stop criticising Brandon. Thanks for the honest review of this part

[@josephreusch]

I've really enjoyed your reviews! I finished the book the week of release so I appreciate the spaced out part by part reviews so I can enjoy it all over again haha! You got yourself a new subscriber!

[@ericmcallister6397]

I been loving this book so much! I love the shallan and adolin chapters as well as kaladin and the bridge 4 boys.

[@jeremyfee]

Every day is a good day for a Brandon Sanderson talk. Peace!

[@CoreyartusImagery]

I know that Sanderson wants Stormlight Archive to be a merging of his Cosmere novels, but this particular part in this particular novel made me realize the barrier to entry into his endeavor. With each new novel, the series becomes less about the story of the characters and more about the story of the Cosmere. And my capacity to empathize with their individual journeys and development decreases. They're not driving the plot anymore--they're feeling more and more like props to which the plot happens. It's starting to feel so incredibly complicated and convoluted now with multiple magic systems and secret societies and caste systems and hidden characters and names & aliases and numerous narrative points of view and exceptions to all the norms he establishes and the ever-growing cast of characters that the joy of reading a good story is starting to get lost in the machine... It's not feeling epic anymore. It's feeling encumbered. I enjoyed Way of Kings because the story was pretty much self-contained and Kaladin's struggle was so engaging and personable within the context of the setting's elements. But now at this point... I had to read this novel with the fan Wiki open all the time. While it's certainly better than the POV mess that was Oathbringer, I feel like this one is at the mercy of the plot's agenda in preparation for the rest of the series.

[@ahkkha4560]

Sanderson wanted this one to be a Willshaper book I guess which is why no Navani Flashback, Venli choosing a separate path, Kal finding a new path/purpose in his life, Adolin trying to get out of his dad's shadow all play into that theme I guess. The flashbacks were a bit boring because Sanderson ran out of stuff to write I feel which is why he's giving us very little Jasnah,Renarin, Lift ....... I loved the science though also come on Mike its just 7 lights you have to remember : ) I am guessing this will go up to 10.

[@henrywayne5724]

I know, and it isn't complicated at all. It's relatively simple. 1. Honor- Stormlight 2. Odium- Voidlight 3. Cultivation- Lifelight 4. Honor+Cultivation- Siblinglight 5. Honor+Odium- Warlight 6. Anti-voidlight 7. anti-stormlight

[@colburn0004]

Shallan is my favorite character. There are dozens of us!

[@CatrionaReads]

It's definitely a taste thing but all the magic stuff was too inside baseball for me. Even if I was super interested in it - I did not need nearly that amount.

[@mikesbookreviews]

Yes! Exactly. I’m not saying it’s stupid and should be gone, it just wasn’t something I wanted to read in detail like that.

[@omnitheus5442]

Nice review Mike

[@alexcavoli6191]

I hated the Venly flashbacks too...BORING, don't care. Her present POV is great though and Kaladins father is an absolute douche about things.

[@uhm3487]

After reading this book you can no longer with a good conscience say the Stormlight Archive is recommendable on its own without reading the rest of the Cosmere. As a contained Stormlight entry, this fails on many levels. As a Cosmere book, its okay.

[@MetalGildarts]

Time to read up. 🤘🏻✌🏻

[@henrywayne5724]

@@MetalGildarts I know! You have NO IDEA how frustrated I was. I’ve only read the Stormlight Archive and Warbreaker so when I read ROW, I was fine with the Warbreaker connections, it is LITERALLY said, “I’m not from this world”. Then there are the OTHER connections. I figured the sand was from the graphic novels White Sand, then those epigraphs in Part 2 sounded like a Worldhopper talking, with all those new shards, I don’t know, maybe from Mistborn? I guess, then there was that lady with the rings...wow! Sanderson is really pushing it with this one, and I had to read the Final Empire immediately after it! Currently reading Well Of Ascension, but man! When I first got into this series, I was told that you didn’t need to read the others, and it was true to some extent, but now, I don’t know anymore. Sanderson was making it clear the other worlds will come into play in the series and that eventually, at some point, we’ll have to read the whole Cosmere in order to get a full grasp of things!

[@brianmckeefrey1446]

@@henrywayne5724 how was the final empire?

[@henrywayne5724]

@@brianmckeefrey1446 EPIC! Of course, nothing can ever beat Stormlight but The Final Empire was just FANTASTIC. Definitely going to The Well Of Ascension now.

[@brianmckeefrey1446]

@@henrywayne5724 Kelsier is such a bad ass man!!

[@colburn0004]

Literally finished per four and ran right to this vid. So I love your pacing.

[@CamReeds]

man i was feeling like an alien. I feel the same way this is my least favorite stormlight book. I loved the lore and the magic system explanations but the other stuff is so meh compared to what we have seen from Brandon before

[@colburn0004]

Seriously, why couldn’t we get Navani flashback chapters of her relationship between her and Gavilar? Just go through with the idea of making this her book. I would have killed for pre-Dalinar Navani.

[@henrywayne5724]

Because the series has a clear structure. Sanderson can tweak his structure but not make a big a change as giving one order two books! If he dealt with Navani flashbacks, that would mean two Bondsmith books, and would in turn, mess up the structure of the whole series.

[@isaacbruner65]

I actually liked Venli in this book, but I somehow felt we didn't get nearly enough of her given that is supposed to be the Venli book... Why couldn't they just cut all the Shallan stuff, did anyone honestly like that?

[@henrywayne5724]

This book was always bound to fail with the viewpoint characters it focused on. People aren’t as invested in the Parshendi characters and also, people are very lukewarm/hate the flashbacks because for the most part, they felt like filler(to some, not to me, because I saw Venli’s character development through them). I liked the Shallan parts, because of the mystery of the worldhopper Ghostbloods and also, her character arc didn’t have a sense of completion in Oathbringer. With this one, though her character arc isn’t over yet, we somewhat got a sense of completion with it.

[@ThanatoselNyx]

I liked it, though I think all the Shadesmar stuff could have been its own book like Dawnshard.

[@Edog1337]

I liked the stormlight stuff too, but I was a nerdy physics major....Also, I watch all your reviews, I think you just aren’t a Sanderson reader. For you, he’s always a B-/C+. Please stop forcing yourself to read stuff you don’t like, and just move on.

[@mikesbookreviews]

Please stop telling people what they like. I was over the moon with praise for books 1-3 in this series and the original Mistborn trilogy so I think you’re being untruthful with saying you watch all of my reviews. I appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching.

[@DREWSBOOKREVIEWS]

Kaladins story and depression is what really gets to me and holds a special place for me in this series I think Sanderson trying to develop parshendi characters via flashbacks is aweseom but i can also understand you view on eshonai and venlis flashback. I am not finding them as interesting as others or as well written.