The Story of Achilles and Patroclus [Achilles and Patroclus Interaction] Hades 1.0 Gameplay

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Marcuz-X

Marcuz-X

3 жыл бұрын

Amended the Hero's Sacrifice Pact through the House Contractor so that Achilles may Return to Elysium to visit Patroclus
About the Game:
Hades is a rogue-like dungeon crawler game from Supergiant Games, You play as Zagreus, immortal son of Hades, as he attempts to escape from the Underworld to reach Mount Olympus.

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@MrCharliebush
@MrCharliebush 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreus is just like: Hades may be my father but Achilles and Patroclus are my Dads
@bscorvin
@bscorvin 3 жыл бұрын
*you are my dad vine plays*
@pancakemaxx4377
@pancakemaxx4377 3 жыл бұрын
@@bscorvin You are my daaad Your my dad boogie woogie woogie
@razagan1343
@razagan1343 3 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith I mean, hercules was bi/pan a lot of the gods where similar it would not suprise me if the same is here
@dawnofmoon6967
@dawnofmoon6967 3 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith Heracles/Hercules was in an assumed sexual relationship with his cousin, though I forgot his name. He just fought alongside Heracles against the Hydra.
@pollux_the_insufferable.
@pollux_the_insufferable. 3 жыл бұрын
@@dawnofmoon6967 haphesteon i think
@orhankocak9279
@orhankocak9279 3 жыл бұрын
This whole game is; Zagreus: bro just talk to them Everyone: nah you go tell them
@heistingcrusader_ad3223
@heistingcrusader_ad3223 3 жыл бұрын
Well they signed the contract which bounds them to the house of hades of course they can't just go to them
@impossiblyswag
@impossiblyswag 2 жыл бұрын
bro im ur 1k like
@genericcriticism4915
@genericcriticism4915 2 жыл бұрын
Mothertrucker's mythology's biggest third wheel, aparently
@sath6089
@sath6089 2 жыл бұрын
if only everyone had a damn phone in the underworld
@wertfi908
@wertfi908 2 жыл бұрын
Hermes better watch out or he’ll be out of a job
@sahrahmuller1451
@sahrahmuller1451 3 жыл бұрын
When he said "my Achilles"... The tragic romance hit hard.
@peonieprincess
@peonieprincess 3 жыл бұрын
NOTHING HITS HARDER THAN A RECLUSIVE AND CUT OFF CHARACTER SAYING “MY ....” WHEN TALKING ABOUT THEIR PAST LOVE 😭😭😭
@Ruuma11
@Ruuma11 2 жыл бұрын
11:28 as well as 13:40 :)
@arkfurydragonmane2358
@arkfurydragonmane2358 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ruuma11 😤🤗... 😭😭😭
@manholeeunuchsbane6197
@manholeeunuchsbane6197 2 жыл бұрын
He's in love with such a heel though.
@nocturnalexecutive3107
@nocturnalexecutive3107 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreus is such a shipper.
@eldritchcupcakes3195
@eldritchcupcakes3195 3 жыл бұрын
(Spoilers for who hired Skelly) What about Charon? He literally hired Skelly to help you train so he can get his otp together
@agut.3263
@agut.3263 3 жыл бұрын
I laughed so hard when he said he wanted details
@DDDloki
@DDDloki 3 жыл бұрын
@@eldritchcupcakes3195 if you notice... skelly has a *certain* coin in his mouth...
@eldritchcupcakes3195
@eldritchcupcakes3195 3 жыл бұрын
@@DDDloki wait-
@Shythalia
@Shythalia 3 жыл бұрын
"Give me them details, girl. Spill the tea!"
@atticusv668
@atticusv668 3 жыл бұрын
We need more male protagonists that are as refreshingly wholesome as Zagreus
@mimisezlol
@mimisezlol 3 жыл бұрын
@Bashful Bitch especially in games about rather gloomy settings, like hades
@ZoeRR
@ZoeRR 3 жыл бұрын
Who said I could only fight or ship I want both
@ayumi9851
@ayumi9851 3 жыл бұрын
If I’m being honest, I think most games avoid this because the writers are afraid that they might the character a mary sue,
@atticusv668
@atticusv668 3 жыл бұрын
@@ayumi9851 There’s a pretty good walk around with this: being a better writer and giving your characters struggles and flaws.
@lavandercharmander2307
@lavandercharmander2307 3 жыл бұрын
Like Kiryu Kazuma from the Yakuza Series?
@axelf9947
@axelf9947 3 жыл бұрын
“Suppose I’d best be getting back to standing quietly about” _Guys, run. The NPCs are becoming self-aware_
@jacobtrowbridge7223
@jacobtrowbridge7223 2 жыл бұрын
That’s up there with Zagreus’ “I have an incurable addiction to buying expensive seating that I will never, ever sit upon.”
@mysincerestcondolences
@mysincerestcondolences 2 жыл бұрын
*distant free guy noises*
@gabsy_ferreira
@gabsy_ferreira 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreus is the God of Marriage Counseling
@ashnalopeskapoor6020
@ashnalopeskapoor6020 3 жыл бұрын
Hera get out the way
@mimisezlol
@mimisezlol 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashnalopeskapoor6020 I still don't get how she's the goddess of marriage when her own is constantly in shambles because her husband sucks.
@DD-wr1ji
@DD-wr1ji 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashnalopeskapoor6020 Hera is shaking and crying rn since Zag takes the place lmaoo
@mimisezlol
@mimisezlol 3 жыл бұрын
@@princesssunnyshine1757 emphasis on communication
@cefrinaldi8060
@cefrinaldi8060 3 жыл бұрын
@@mimisezlol Hera got his marriage in shamble cuz the Happy family aspect is Hestia's part.
@CJCroen1393
@CJCroen1393 3 жыл бұрын
Pssst...the thing about their ashes is 100% accurate. Achilles really did request to have his and Patroclus' ashes intermixed.
@derekschacht7667
@derekschacht7667 3 жыл бұрын
Damn they must’ve been like.... really good friends or something!
@Memelord-md5hs
@Memelord-md5hs 3 жыл бұрын
@@derekschacht7667 oh my god! They were roommates!
@kylesmith564
@kylesmith564 3 жыл бұрын
Just dudes bein pals. pals bein absolute Guys.
@wt_9026
@wt_9026 3 жыл бұрын
Just dudes being bros
@arsonhycan
@arsonhycan 3 жыл бұрын
ha GAE
@TheNetherlandDwarf
@TheNetherlandDwarf 3 жыл бұрын
I love how calm they made achillies. This isn't the sulky and angry warrior of the illiad, feels like a hero who's been there, done that, and is full of wisdom and sadness.
@belindaluna2067
@belindaluna2067 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense considering how long he's probably been dead by this point. Gives one time to think, I'd imagine.
@cefrinaldi8060
@cefrinaldi8060 3 жыл бұрын
He sulk most of the illiad. And go berserk just because Patroclus is killed. Years in the underworld definitely calm him down and give himself alot of times to think.
@user-kt2oo6xj1g
@user-kt2oo6xj1g 3 жыл бұрын
In illiad he was a hot head teenager and equally hot headed adult in war. Also fame and heroism got the best of him. Now it has been a couple centuries since his passing. He probably had lot to think about
@frances3749
@frances3749 3 жыл бұрын
This Achilles feels a bit like the Odyssey version, whose advise to Odysseus boils down to "don't die yet".
@mimisezlol
@mimisezlol 3 жыл бұрын
Why is zagreus everyone's marriage counselor?
@larrycantdraw8995
@larrycantdraw8995 3 жыл бұрын
I mean someone's gotta do it
@thedevulherself
@thedevulherself 3 жыл бұрын
Well, one of his domain is hunting (or more precisely, investigation), so ;)
@shinyblue4774
@shinyblue4774 3 жыл бұрын
The afterlife is full of Emotionally constipated fools Zag, born in all the madness, is constantly tired
@Gooberwares
@Gooberwares 3 жыл бұрын
Now the toughest challenge hera and zues
@ivanivan744
@ivanivan744 3 жыл бұрын
Anonymous Invader No amount of divine counsel can fix that trainwreck of a marriage
@dummithicc1212
@dummithicc1212 3 жыл бұрын
he calls him “Pat”🥺🥺🥺
@xRaiofSunshine
@xRaiofSunshine 3 жыл бұрын
Pat Dad! 🥺
@GamzeenMakara
@GamzeenMakara 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreus really just want all the people he’s known all his life to just be happy in their afterlife. He’s like: “C’mon y’all, someone has to be in good spirits here!”
@xRaiofSunshine
@xRaiofSunshine 3 жыл бұрын
.....ha. Hahahaha 😑
@violet5018
@violet5018 3 жыл бұрын
Ok now that's *gotta* be a pun now!
@grindyvin9354
@grindyvin9354 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh.. ps:you could say good shade since the naming for the souls are shade
@aletleth6167
@aletleth6167 3 жыл бұрын
ZAGREUS WANTING DETAILS WHAT A CUTIE
@alexc119
@alexc119 3 жыл бұрын
What makes me the happiest is how well this ties in to Song of Achilles while still slotting in perfectly to the game and mythology
@alexc119
@alexc119 3 жыл бұрын
Also Patroclus standing up almost made me cry
@peepeeman7120
@peepeeman7120 3 жыл бұрын
LMFALDNDN pls I cried so hard with Song of Achilles and it made me so happy to know that Patroclus and Achilles are in Hades lolol
@SunniDoesStuff
@SunniDoesStuff 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished the book and cried for half an hour, but knowing that they're together in the afterlife cheeres me up at least a little :')
@danmiaskiewicz653
@danmiaskiewicz653 3 жыл бұрын
are you kidding? it’s not “tying into the song of achilles” specifically... it is tying into the actual story, The Iliad. achilles and patroclus were very much in love in the source material, even ancient greek philosophers like plato and aeschylus knew that. the game isn’t trying to reference the song of achilles, it’s trying to reference the iliad... that book isn’t the only time they were portrayed as lovers
@Meimoons
@Meimoons 3 жыл бұрын
@@danmiaskiewicz653 If you had read the Song of Achilles, you'd understand where the reference is coming from.
@mezmereyesofficial7526
@mezmereyesofficial7526 3 жыл бұрын
Achilles: "Thank you so much Zagreus for all your hel--" Zagreus: "ENOUGH ABOUT THAT, TELL ME ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS !@%$^%@#"
@karan.kk.h
@karan.kk.h 3 жыл бұрын
Please come back to check the number of your likes
@a_grape_in_space1016
@a_grape_in_space1016 3 жыл бұрын
Like a true member of the Greek Pantheon
@mezmereyesofficial7526
@mezmereyesofficial7526 3 жыл бұрын
@@karan.kk.h oh shit wtf???!!!!
@ninab.4540
@ninab.4540 Жыл бұрын
They can't do that anymore, they're dead
@General_C
@General_C 5 ай бұрын
​@@ninab.4540Who's to say?
@megabyte1302
@megabyte1302 3 жыл бұрын
13:04 That hits extra hard because Achilles didn't even raise his voice that much, but seems afraid of actually losing his temper again and hurting Zagreus in a rage.
@athena3268
@athena3268 3 жыл бұрын
Achilles in the game is a lot like Achilles is in Homer's Odyssey, calm, morose and wise about life
@argella1300
@argella1300 3 жыл бұрын
@@athena3268 he’s like that in Madeline Miller’s Song of Achilles too (which takes the gay subtext of Patroclus and Achilles’s relationship in the Iliad and makes it text)
@athena3268
@athena3268 3 жыл бұрын
@@argella1300 not a huge fan of the book but I did like the writing and the romance
@ChloHB
@ChloHB 3 жыл бұрын
Orpheus singing this song while Zagreus and Achilles talk about Achilles's tragic past and lost lover ... it's all very fitting
@stephenleong7373
@stephenleong7373 2 жыл бұрын
Can I have the time stamp please
@maiden1744
@maiden1744 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephenleong7373 15:06
@behindthemirror2215
@behindthemirror2215 2 жыл бұрын
Symbolism
@gogetablue942
@gogetablue942 Жыл бұрын
Which song is it?
@XIIconstNvChr
@XIIconstNvChr Жыл бұрын
Orpheus, playing Achilles Come Down: "and there were tentmates!" Zagreus: "omg they were tentmates"
@shinyblue4774
@shinyblue4774 3 жыл бұрын
Hades: If can't have a nice relationship THEN NONE OF YOU CAN'T Achilles: :C Orpheus: :'C Zagreus: DAD WHAT THE FUCK-
@-flowerbloom9305
@-flowerbloom9305 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo yes 😂
@Roniisghost
@Roniisghost 3 жыл бұрын
And Zagreus has to fix it all-
@lilianmartinez5551
@lilianmartinez5551 3 жыл бұрын
lol, I'm wheezing over that last part. Can't wait until my friend starts to play this game.
@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices
@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices 2 жыл бұрын
Persephone when she comes back: HONEY WHAT THE FUCK
@brawlstarsgravity
@brawlstarsgravity 2 жыл бұрын
Orpheus: :C Eurydice: :C
@KieranReed729
@KieranReed729 2 жыл бұрын
Zagreus really just woke up and said: "Your free trial of eternal despair has ended"
@mostlyimpulsive3462
@mostlyimpulsive3462 2 жыл бұрын
I sprayed water out of my nose thanks
@JudgeNicodemus
@JudgeNicodemus 2 жыл бұрын
Zag woke up and chose love.
@Rabbitsliver
@Rabbitsliver 3 жыл бұрын
Hades grunting after Achilles gave the second gift to Zagreus. Lol. He has a long history of splitting pairs.
@Elmithian
@Elmithian 3 жыл бұрын
He also has a very personal experience of having his love split from him so he likely knows both sides pretty intimately.
@grayson5000
@grayson5000 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to couple counselling the game
@Roniisghost
@Roniisghost 3 жыл бұрын
Accurate
@Roniisghost
@Roniisghost 3 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith they are in the game
@grayson5000
@grayson5000 3 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith yeah they were, in both the game and the original story. Men being in relationships with other men was widely accepted in Ancient Greece. Even Apollo and Zeus the ladies men of Olympus had male lovers.
@_TSC_46
@_TSC_46 3 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith yes two people so deeply inlove who mixed their ashes so that they could be together for eternity, definitely not Into each other
@legendarytat8278
@legendarytat8278 3 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith Yeah they were “roommates”
@SnorriSnibble
@SnorriSnibble 3 жыл бұрын
I'm studying archaeology and there's this one boy in my class who said Achilles and Patroclus were related (probably because he has seen "Troy") and I just sat there thinking "Oh sweet summer child..."
@cleeee-rl4yn
@cleeee-rl4yn 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, they were. They are first removed cousins in some versions, however, being lovers with your cousin back in Ancient Greece was perfectly normal.
@kuro-kuromi32
@kuro-kuromi32 3 жыл бұрын
@@cleeee-rl4yn but then again, we have no concrete evidence of both of their lineages, seeing as the story is set in mychanean greece and had many spoken versions running concurrently before being written down. It’s possible that in many versions they were related in some way, and even back in greece this wouldn’t really pose a problem or be considered taboo, but I think OP was mainly talking about someone being unaware (or disapproving) of the largely acknowledged intimacy of Patroclus and Achilles, and speaking of them like they were related by blood in any way would be an easy way to handwave any textual evidence or argument to the contrary. It would also assert the speakers opinion of their relationship since it would be largely taboo (and possibly illegal) by today’s standards. Thanks, Troy 🥶🙄🥲
@araccoonwithalaptop8637
@araccoonwithalaptop8637 2 жыл бұрын
@@cleeee-rl4yn yet in the Iliad, they came from different places and As the game illustrates, different skin tones and game from basically opposite kingdoms, they had really no way of being related. As someone who has read the Iliad before and some adaptations, people changes the Iliad and it’s context because they had homophobic views, but many historians can confirm that Achilles and Patroclus were very close in friendship and as lovers because in Ancient Greece, no one really cared who you laid in bed with since the word homosexual did not exist back then and no one really cared much on who was with who. But as many people say, it would not be uncommon for ancients to mingle with their cousins or siblings, but in the context of the Iliad, that does not seem to be the case. Even in the Odyssey, Patroclus is seen standing next to Achilles when Odysseus went to visit the Underworld. So rather you interpret their relationship as love or friendship, the meaning of this story written by Homer was so show how cruel war can be and how love is a dangerous thing and grief can make someone do terrible things. That’s basically the whole lesson of the book as Homer writes it, then being cousins ruins the meaning of the book. Cousins can love each other in a family way, but the meaning of the book is to show how loving someone romantically can be a borderline between stability and insanity when it comes to war. I think why people portrayed them as cousins besides just homophobia was when in the final act of The Iliad, Patroclus wears Achilles armor to fight for him in battle so he would not have to break his promise and died in battle when the god Apollo intervened and threw off Patroclus’s helmet revealing his true identity and that’s when Hector stabbed him in the stomach and killed him. Reason being because how did people not know it wasint Achilles? Homer didint really think it through but again, that’s not the point of the book, it’s about the lesson being taught and the philosophy behind it. Edit: I don’t mean to like bash on you, you are totally right on the incest part, Ancient people were…. S t r a n g e
@ninab.4540
@ninab.4540 2 жыл бұрын
Damned Troy, turning Achilles into a pretty brute and Pat into his Dragonheart cousin
@izzypaige07
@izzypaige07 Жыл бұрын
Troy was a good movie but so many people think they were really cousins because of it!
@imthecoolestguyalive
@imthecoolestguyalive 3 жыл бұрын
Gee, these two seem like really close good friends!
@baohweeb6935
@baohweeb6935 3 жыл бұрын
I tought that at first too.
@imthecoolestguyalive
@imthecoolestguyalive 3 жыл бұрын
@@baohweeb6935 Some old interpretations make them relatives to justify Pat's and Les' close relationship. That's how much homosexuality is between them. People literally had no other explanation for them being so affectionate and caring towards each other.
@baohweeb6935
@baohweeb6935 3 жыл бұрын
@@imthecoolestguyalive Makes sense.
@drakkiusgaming
@drakkiusgaming 3 жыл бұрын
@@imthecoolestguyalive Like the good old Sailor Moon English dub making Uranus and Neptune cousins
@himboghost629
@himboghost629 3 жыл бұрын
r/AchillesAndHisPal
@Alyssa-t
@Alyssa-t 3 жыл бұрын
When the Patroclus said “my Achilles” my heart tightened. That is so cute!!!
@ayeshadiannesantelices9511
@ayeshadiannesantelices9511 2 жыл бұрын
wait- what part???
@fatima-wq1iq
@fatima-wq1iq 2 жыл бұрын
@@ayeshadiannesantelices9511 11:28
@invent2362
@invent2362 3 жыл бұрын
Achilles boutta “Risk it all”
@panickedpan875
@panickedpan875 3 жыл бұрын
The OG gays. Lovely
@panickedpan875
@panickedpan875 3 жыл бұрын
@cheese and crackers Good point sir
@dylanchouinard6141
@dylanchouinard6141 3 жыл бұрын
Gilgamesh & Enkidu: are we a joke to you?
@panickedpan875
@panickedpan875 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylanchouinard6141 Shit, forgot about them
@snowleopardlady1560
@snowleopardlady1560 3 жыл бұрын
When Patroclus said "fear is for the weak", after Achilles said it to Zag earlier in the game, means that it was told to Achilles in life...so he took it with him in death... MY POOR HEARRRRRRT
@romiiarts
@romiiarts 3 жыл бұрын
Reading patroclus codex entry written by Achilles is what had me crying each time I unlocked a new part of it. That's when the "fear is for the weak" clicked in since its told from the beginning of the game
@nocturnalexecutive3107
@nocturnalexecutive3107 3 жыл бұрын
Aphrodite: "Move, Eros, I have a new favourite."
@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices
@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices 2 жыл бұрын
The chaos if Aphrodite and Zagreus teamed up...every ship would happen, whether they like it or not
@arkfurydragonmane2358
@arkfurydragonmane2358 2 жыл бұрын
@@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices :0
@vduck7354
@vduck7354 3 жыл бұрын
When Patroclus stood up, he's the mirror opposite of Achilles. Their designs are almost similar too, also Patroclus' wearing the "bracer of the myrmidons," whilst Achilles does not since he gave it to Zagreus.
@donnamitsuki281
@donnamitsuki281 3 жыл бұрын
_nO TIME TO FIGHT I HAVE A COUPLE TO REUNITE BECAUSE HISTORIANS KEEP DOING THEM DIRTY_ - me,as soon as I knew.
@arkfurydragonmane2358
@arkfurydragonmane2358 2 жыл бұрын
❤️🧡💛💚💙💜 😤🤗
@akkantiaviator6507
@akkantiaviator6507 3 жыл бұрын
Achilles really risked it all for that bussy what a king
@araw_buwan
@araw_buwan 2 жыл бұрын
STOPPP WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY
@Abdega
@Abdega 2 жыл бұрын
Honey, Patroclus is a _man!_ That’s straight up *_MUSSY_* that he’s after!
@theseerllama
@theseerllama 2 жыл бұрын
sHUT THE FUCK UUUUUP DUDJNSKJZNXNXB
@ElBandito
@ElBandito Жыл бұрын
Achilles was most likely the bottom. If you take account of his age and looks, both here and in mythic lore.
@veevwjw123
@veevwjw123 3 жыл бұрын
Making up, and MAKING OUT-
@dyannatodd2270
@dyannatodd2270 2 жыл бұрын
Patroclus: screw achilles, i don't wanna talk to him Zagreus, immediately: HEY ACHILLES GUESS WHAT
@wingcastlereads5657
@wingcastlereads5657 3 жыл бұрын
I love how everything in this game is about reuniting people: achilles and patrocles, orpheus and eurydice, nyx and chaos, hades and persephone.
@luciedeblieux9583
@luciedeblieux9583 3 жыл бұрын
i just noticed that Patroclus has a bandage on his arm! i think that is a reference to the painting of Achilles bandaging up Patroclus’ wounds
@mostlyimpulsive3462
@mostlyimpulsive3462 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit YOU'RE RIGHT
@boba4bobaman294
@boba4bobaman294 2 жыл бұрын
OH YEAH, OH MY GOD
@Borderose
@Borderose 3 жыл бұрын
I like that they actually portrayed Patroclus as the manlier looking one of the pair. Because that's what he was. Achilles was younger and prettier. Patroclus was more rugged.
@kaylawoodbury2308
@kaylawoodbury2308 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people forget that Achilles was described as beautiful and with some feminine qualities, focusing entirely on the "great warrior". Like dudes, you can kick butt AND be a spicy little bombshell 🙄
@Borderose
@Borderose 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaylawoodbury2308 Indeed. I mean for Zeus' sake, he passed as a pretty little princess for most of his young life until Odysseus outed him. Odysseus had to use one of his tricks to figure him out from the crowd of girls because he couldn't do it through sight alone. Achilles was _that_ pretty. (Also, I think Patroclus hung around him at the time as a kind of bodyguard/companion? Either assigned by one of his parents? But I'm not sure if that's accurate now. All I can remember is that Pats was something of an older brother-figure for Achilles before he became his charioteer/tentmate.)
@mary-simone5347
@mary-simone5347 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaylawoodbury2308 Yes! It drives me insane when fan art portrays Patroclus as being small, slender, & gentle, and then Achilles as a big, tall, ultra-buff manly-man. Achilles is described as looking feminine and smaller than his counterparts on multiple accounts, and he even passed as a servant girl in a castle for months when his goddess mother tried to hide him from being seeked out for the war too soon. He's only 16 when he goes to war, and obviously he gained muscle as time and training went on, but he's always described as being beautiful.
@mary-simone5347
@mary-simone5347 2 жыл бұрын
@@Borderose Yes! It is often unknown by readers that Achilles was in hiding as a servant girl/princess companion for months because his mother Thetis was trying to protect him from going to the war too soon (i believe?). You're right! He wouldn't have passed if he wasn't small and pretty. Also, I've always pictured Achilles and Patroclus as being the same age. They met after Patroclus was exiled to Achilles' father's castle for accidentally killing another boy. Achilles picked him out from the other boys living there to be his companion for training for war. Achilles was brought to Scyros to be hidden as a servant girl (he actually was forced to mate with the princess Deidamea while there) some years later. It says in the book "The Song of Achilles ", that Patroclus went after him and found him on Scyros and was allowed to live in the castle, as long as he kept his mouth shut about Achilles not actually being a girl - but i don't know if that's accurate to actual mythology or if the author of TSOA just put that in there for her own interpretation.
@Borderose
@Borderose 2 жыл бұрын
@@mary-simone5347 I love it, but I believe that's artistic license on the part of the TSoA author. ^^ Patroclus was older, not by much, but definitely older than Achilles. When they entered the war he was probably the right age to be in it, while Achilles, canonically the youngest hero at the start of the war, couldn't be older than 15 or 16. Patroclus in art depicting him from less modern sources is seen as bearded and more rugged than the beardless, handsome Achilles tending his wounds. I like to think that while his higher social status and his martial prowess gave Achilles a position above his charioteer, in private Achilles was "the beloved" rather than "the lover" in the pairing. The one protected and cherished by the senior partner. Achilles' manliness has been a debate since Ancient Greece. Apparently, too many people found it odd that the wrathful storm of steel and despair in golden armor was "the beloved" in a male-male heroes relationship and that the role should belong to Patroclus, the lesser warrior. But, as I did, a lot of people, too, pointed out that imagining Achilles that way violates more social conventions. He was also known to be younger, beardless, and beautiful. Patroclus, who looks like everyone's idea of a manly man, would be put into an embarassibg situation if that was the case. Instead, the relationship raised no eyebrows. Achilles' infamous rage and temper was just as much a sign of his immaturity as much as it is a roar of his warrior spirit. They were also not "gay" as modern people imagine them--theirs was a relationship very special for their setting and context. It ws seen as manly and proper. Achilles and Patroclus had female lovers and companions--Achilles fathered Neoptolemus on one of his old gal pals back in hiding. But they saw no conflict with that and also holding each other preciously--as both bedmate and brother-in-arms. And no one around then thought them less manly or heroic for any of it until people, centuries after their tale was written, debated because they found it weird the stronger warrior was probably "the bottom". Lol
@somewhereperhaps
@somewhereperhaps 3 жыл бұрын
Gay rights. Thank you.
@lexetordo8954
@lexetordo8954 3 жыл бұрын
They are cousins.
@richardshiflett5181
@richardshiflett5181 3 жыл бұрын
And lovers. The Greeks welcome many types of love. The Christianity came and homophobic thoughts took hold
@steampunksloth0059
@steampunksloth0059 3 жыл бұрын
@@lexetordo8954 Sorry dude but that Troy movie from 2003 made that up
@lexetordo8954
@lexetordo8954 3 жыл бұрын
@@steampunksloth0059 I dont think so and a lot of sources agree with me, men in the past werent as insecure about loving their family as men recently.
@kushastea3961
@kushastea3961 3 жыл бұрын
@@lexetordo8954 or it was perfectly normal to have sex with your cousins. I mean, inbreeding is still happening now.
@boneboy4788
@boneboy4788 3 жыл бұрын
This game is entirely Zagreus doing couples counselling
@Kodiak_P
@Kodiak_P Жыл бұрын
An interesting detail: Achilles and Patroclus are transparent when they are apart, but whole when together.
@caramellpanda
@caramellpanda 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to point out something as an artist! Achilles and Patroclus share the exact same art excluding their faces! This also means they share the same outfit! They’re basically mirror images of each other! This is both incredibly efficient in terms of making art but also symbolises how close they were! Thought this might intrigue some people, so I decided to share! :)
@sockpuppetqueen
@sockpuppetqueen 3 жыл бұрын
Also Patroclus died wearing Achilles' armor, because he was pretending to be him, to like, lead the army, because Achilles wouldn't. They're probably wearing the same armor because that's what they both died in.
@behindthemirror2215
@behindthemirror2215 2 жыл бұрын
I just look and they almost shared the same lances. Which is quite adorable
@drnecro1086
@drnecro1086 2 жыл бұрын
"he is half of my soul, as the poets say"
@mentinementine310
@mentinementine310 Жыл бұрын
@@drnecro1086 HOW DARE YOU 😭😭😭😭 MY HEART
@zacharyhawley1693
@zacharyhawley1693 3 жыл бұрын
Zag is all like no.no.no. miserable afterlives aren't allowed here.
@schlagie
@schlagie 3 жыл бұрын
This hits different if you've read Song of Achilles
@Egg-zactly
@Egg-zactly 3 жыл бұрын
I read the song of Achilles while trying to reconnect these two. It took me like a week cuz patroclus' encounters are really rare and most of the time, his dialogue have nothing to do with their mission. I was frustrated so I read the book and then I felt even more motivated to help them Antos is my favorite companion now
@ashopal5811
@ashopal5811 3 жыл бұрын
I got the conversation at 3:35 before meeting Pat, so the dialogue I got with Achilles afterwards had Zagreus tell him that he saw, "your Patroclus" to which Achilles asked to send, "my regards. And... all my love. I think of him always" Like. god, Supergiant are you trying to kill me??
@mimemmo1988
@mimemmo1988 3 жыл бұрын
Since it's not in the video I just want y'all to know: If you talk to Patroclus after reuniting them he'll say something along the lines of "He makes me feel alive again." Supergiant did not have to go that hard but they did it for us.
@Overlordough1201
@Overlordough1201 3 жыл бұрын
"But I've some memories I'm..." **flashbacks to when he was getting railed by Achilles for the first time** "...not quite ready to give up on, yet."
@marcuz-x5448
@marcuz-x5448 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@gobalbucs
@gobalbucs 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@lakshmirekha9168
@lakshmirekha9168 2 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooo
@louparis1909
@louparis1909 2 жыл бұрын
Bold of you to assume Achilles is a top.
@Milongui123
@Milongui123 2 жыл бұрын
"I am made of memories."
@koikofi4911
@koikofi4911 3 жыл бұрын
20:12 so there's one specific painting of Achilles and Patroclus, where you see a young Achilles wrapping the wound on Patroclus' arm. And the fact that the said bandage is integrated in Patroclus' design is amazing!
@hostile_prof
@hostile_prof 2 жыл бұрын
It's clever that Patroclus and Achilles are wearing the same clothes, considering Patroclus died wearing Achilles armor and pretending to be him to rally the troop when Achilles refused to fight for Agamemnon
@whatgsaid
@whatgsaid 2 жыл бұрын
“Then we just… were.” This is just about the softest thing somebody could possibly say and I… *feelings wrecked*
@carodame9419
@carodame9419 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i wish i had a BEST friend like that
@marcuz-x5448
@marcuz-x5448 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah BEST of friends 😉😉
@kienisgaming
@kienisgaming 2 жыл бұрын
I love how they have small arguments now and then when Zagreus visit Elysium, like an old married couple and you can hear Pat saying:"Fine, have it your way". Just lovely
@corvusalbus7276
@corvusalbus7276 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreus: God of marriage/family counseling
@louparis1909
@louparis1909 2 жыл бұрын
If there was a pantheon that needed one of those, it would be the Greek one.
@magicrainbowkitties1023
@magicrainbowkitties1023 Жыл бұрын
GOD OF THERAPY
@Dumbass.bisexual
@Dumbass.bisexual 3 жыл бұрын
Every time he says “my Achilles” I felt my heart melt and break
@theseerllama
@theseerllama 2 жыл бұрын
I love how one of the ghosts keeps coming over, standing between Zag and Achilles, and just going '😁'
@sharksuperiority9736
@sharksuperiority9736 3 жыл бұрын
I love Zag, he’s just a good stupid boy. He’s too kind He will fix your relationship, don’t resist
@annef0x
@annef0x 3 жыл бұрын
_Ahh yes, Zagreus, Everyone's favourite marriage counselor and the no#1 Patrochilles shipper_
@tabitha2397
@tabitha2397 3 жыл бұрын
Oml their standing portraits are mirrors of each other AAAAAAAAAA
@eyewai
@eyewai 3 жыл бұрын
**ugly fucking crying**
@thedevulherself
@thedevulherself 3 жыл бұрын
Achilles: Thank you lad, for all your troubles, Pat and I can now see each other again. We're both very gratefu-- Zagreus (eyes sparkling): Achilles, sir, please GIMME DETAILS OF YOU TWO BANGIN' 😂😍😳
@AstralMuffin105
@AstralMuffin105 3 жыл бұрын
Zag wants pointers for how he can put the moves on Thanatos in the bedroom, lol.
@bustedkeaton
@bustedkeaton 3 жыл бұрын
His family life is so fucked hes just excited to see a couple happy
@candycandy6082
@candycandy6082 2 жыл бұрын
@@AstralMuffin105 YESSS
@arkfurydragonmane2358
@arkfurydragonmane2358 2 жыл бұрын
@@bustedkeaton 🤣🤣🤣
@aporajitabangali3827
@aporajitabangali3827 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@corxiiifelinike2643
@corxiiifelinike2643 3 жыл бұрын
“And they were roommates.”
@boba4bobaman294
@boba4bobaman294 2 жыл бұрын
"Oh my god, they were roommates..." Well, tent/urn mates works too
@ac-jj1zz
@ac-jj1zz 3 жыл бұрын
their voices are so pleasant to hear
@NeonColoredRain
@NeonColoredRain 3 жыл бұрын
21:29 "Then we just... Were." Made me cry so hard.
@cringename2616
@cringename2616 3 жыл бұрын
No one gonna mention how Achilles calls Patrocluc Pat
@nicolellamas2197
@nicolellamas2197 3 жыл бұрын
so, TSOA readers, how are we doing?
@TheHavenWright
@TheHavenWright 3 жыл бұрын
I just found out about this and immediately came to KZbin. It brought me some comfort.
@plantparent6469
@plantparent6469 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHavenWright same this brings me so much comfort 😭❤
@potmki6601
@potmki6601 3 жыл бұрын
In the words of wiseman, "If you love somebody, BE with them"
@arkfurydragonmane2358
@arkfurydragonmane2358 2 жыл бұрын
💙🤗 Yes.
@danielleafidchao6591
@danielleafidchao6591 Жыл бұрын
"Go to him, sir. You've waited long enough." vs "Go, he waits for you"
@twinkiecupcups7228
@twinkiecupcups7228 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreous: what happened? Achilles: were intertwined as the shades do Zagreous: so you fucked Achilles: Ye we fucked
@emeros8631
@emeros8631 3 жыл бұрын
That accent... Those accents... Makes me wanna act up
@sheedokdeedok
@sheedokdeedok 3 жыл бұрын
patroclus did say to risk it all 👀👀👀
@Shythalia
@Shythalia 3 жыл бұрын
15:20 Orpheus is singing!
@marcuz-x5448
@marcuz-x5448 3 жыл бұрын
That's because he got finally reunited with Eurydice 😁
@kishacarlos3472
@kishacarlos3472 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know the name of the song? its beautiful.
@marcuz-x5448
@marcuz-x5448 3 жыл бұрын
@@kishacarlos3472 The title is Good Riddance😁
@kishacarlos3472
@kishacarlos3472 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcuz-x5448 thank you so much!
@user-uv7kf3dj6g
@user-uv7kf3dj6g 2 жыл бұрын
Its actually heart warming to see Achilles and Patroclus be together
@alliu6562
@alliu6562 3 жыл бұрын
THE WAY THEIR POSES MIRROR EACH OTHERS’ AT THE END 🥺🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭
@lorenadurante1509
@lorenadurante1509 3 жыл бұрын
Watching this just after finishing the Song of Achilles hits different
@LL-xv6jc
@LL-xv6jc 3 жыл бұрын
This is my first glimpse at this game and WHOA the writing is so good??????
@Melissa-tw2gp
@Melissa-tw2gp 3 жыл бұрын
I got them together as fast as I could. It’s basically all I cared about once I found this mission. Love those sad dudes.
@LvLupXD
@LvLupXD 3 жыл бұрын
There's something really fitting having Good Riddance play once Achilles works up the resolve to request Zagreus to amend his contract
@godseymadrey7270
@godseymadrey7270 2 жыл бұрын
21:08 he really is just like “spill the tea sis ☕️”
@samsy426
@samsy426 3 жыл бұрын
PATROCHILLES IM SO HAPPY FOR THEM ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@slutforpotetoes2993
@slutforpotetoes2993 3 жыл бұрын
This was randomly in my recommend and I'm so in love with this. As someone that loves to over analyze stuff they way that they refer to one another is so sweet. One line that had me gushing is when Achilles was describing "where my heart once was". Hes describing Patroclus as his HEART. And the subtle times when they refer to each other as "my Achilles and my Patroclus". It shows that even though they haven't seen each other in gods know how long they still belong to one another. Most media make the love of two people annoyingly blunt and blank. They make it boringly obvious even from the beginning and it doesn't give you any flavor nor excitement. They don't go into the subtleties that real people actually show when they care for someone. Their love feels so real and so genuine. AND IT ALL HAPPENED IN 23MIN. PLEASE CAN SOMEONE WRITE ME A ROMANCE ON THEM WITH THIS ADORABLE ENDING. OR CAN YOU POINT ME IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION IN WHICH I CAN READ IT.
@lakshmirekha9168
@lakshmirekha9168 3 жыл бұрын
Read The Song of Achilles by Madeleine Miller! It is a romance story of Achilles and Patroclus and it's also a very famous award winning book! It's extremely heart breaking but also one of the most beautiful stories I've ever read. You should definitely read it!
@vanillathebard
@vanillathebard 3 жыл бұрын
Zagreus ships it. Thanks for posting this btw.
@lunatikbad9462
@lunatikbad9462 3 жыл бұрын
THANKS I am crying
@NoirRaven
@NoirRaven 3 жыл бұрын
22:45 I'm sorry but what was that sound Hades made at the end there??? 😂😂😂😂😂
@marcuz-x5448
@marcuz-x5448 3 жыл бұрын
hahah, I think its open for Interpretation.
@Tekiruru
@Tekiruru 3 жыл бұрын
he got tired from all of his workload
@JudgeNicodemus
@JudgeNicodemus 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tekiruru the work of helldad never ends
@Theturtleowl
@Theturtleowl 2 жыл бұрын
Patrocles: "My Achilles" Me: *getting the tissues*
@fittingmask9974
@fittingmask9974 2 жыл бұрын
Zagreus: prince of the underworld and proffesional marriage counselor apperantly.
@VariaSweetGuardian
@VariaSweetGuardian 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime I see more content for this game, I want to do nothing else but play this game. It's been a long time since a game has had me this hooked! From it's Story to it's Combat, HADES is truly a outstanding game!
@Toffeehammer
@Toffeehammer Жыл бұрын
Achilles: "It went well I guess. Sorry about him not calling you by name by the wa-" Zagreus: "Yeah yeah yeah, did you guys fuck or what?"
@nekonao9471
@nekonao9471 2 жыл бұрын
I wish they told the whole story for the people who don't know... so if you're curious, I'm going to sum up their story really REALLY shortly At the 9th year of the Trojan war, Achilles refuses to fight because he is a proud man and Agaememnon doesn't recognize him as the powerful warrior he is. So he just protests the war, but he is the strongest warrior in the whole war so Trojans gets ahead of them by the time Achilles isn't fighting. Patroclus, on the other hand, just wants everything to be done and go back, so he just wears Achilles' armour and clothes, acts like him, fights like him to cheer and encourage their soldiers. Everyone thinks he is Achilles and naturally attacks him. He fights bravely, but greatest Troja warrior, Hektor kills him. You might ask, why isn't Hektor dead yet, concidering Achilles is stronger than him and probably would have killed him in the battle way earlier. That's because of the prophecy Achilles' mother told him of. She says, 'you will die if you kill Hektor (or Hektor dies in any way, I really can't remember)' so Achilles always stays away from Hektor. They bring Patroclus' body back to Achilles, who expects him to come back safely, but instead he just finds his lover's corpse, lying on the hands of strangers, covered in blood. So he naturally goes mad on the point, ever so proud man with a lot of dignity cries and screams in front of everybody, he literally pulls his hair off. He cries for days, calls him "the other part of my soul" and doesn't eat, drink for days. Later, he goes back to war and fights a literal god, then kills Hektor. He displays Hektor's head on his lance for everyone to see. Then he loses his will to live after revenging his lover and after telling his last request which is to be buried with the ashes of Patroclus, he dies in the war. He dies to the biggest coward in the whole war. So this is their story from the original Illiad, not from tsoa or somewhere else, this is the real thing. Hopefully it's good enpough:)
@andreabanuelosavila2317
@andreabanuelosavila2317 Жыл бұрын
So…did he allowed that arrow to pierce his heel? On purpose?
@nekonao9471
@nekonao9471 Жыл бұрын
@@andreabanuelosavila2317 the arrow doesnt actually go to his heel, if i remember correctly Iliad doesnt even mention Achilles' death, so its hard to say. Some people say he took the arrow to his heel, some people say to heart, it really depends on the source i believe so to say he was waiting for his death would also be a different source and not iliad itself, therefore it might be wrong. It's just that Achilles tells everyone to bury his ashes with Patroclus, who lies in the Trojan's area instead of their own, so it's quite obvious Achilles knew he was gonna die before the war was over.
@Tothro
@Tothro Жыл бұрын
"... pig headed braggart ordered me to do it." Definately Agamemnon. He's the RR of ancient Greece.
@hahabearseathoney
@hahabearseathoney 3 жыл бұрын
how did it only just click in my head that Achilles is THE Achilles. “Achillean” literally comes from this dude
@drnecro1086
@drnecro1086 2 жыл бұрын
we're gay cus this one dude thousands of years ago had a bf named patroclus 😭
@dundervevo6842
@dundervevo6842 3 жыл бұрын
The best adaptation of The Iliad, no question
@kaylenvee8150
@kaylenvee8150 2 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, I've done the same thing Zagreus is doing, where he's basically playing telephone between two people who can't seem to communicate with each other, and it's kind of effective. If there's too much history between two people that they can't even stand in the same room together, then a third party's gotta be the buffer, the in between man. And Zagreus's feelings about them are mine EXACTLY. I can FEEL him just twiddling his thumbs and scratching his head like: "Oookay gotta figure out how to word THIS right...."
@raisezell
@raisezell 3 жыл бұрын
You’re a blessing! You worked on this so quickly. Thank you so much
@marcuz-x5448
@marcuz-x5448 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you and you're Welcome :)
@crimsonsongbird7219
@crimsonsongbird7219 3 жыл бұрын
Me a song of Achilles fan seeing this and crying.
@dielb3865
@dielb3865 2 жыл бұрын
Just finished reading TSoA. This is the closure that I needed.
@fallen-chances
@fallen-chances 3 жыл бұрын
don't mind me SOBBING OVER HERE
@insomniac1184
@insomniac1184 3 жыл бұрын
Zag ships. And he ships them hard.
@bucca2
@bucca2 3 жыл бұрын
Just a couple of guys being dudes. 💕
@yona1478
@yona1478 3 жыл бұрын
10:58 That tsk sounds nice
@paradoxroxy915
@paradoxroxy915 2 жыл бұрын
He said my name... Then we simply were
@kevina4998
@kevina4998 3 жыл бұрын
I hope we can see Hector some day!
@endme623
@endme623 3 жыл бұрын
I hope the fuck not. He gon catch these hands if he shows up.
@ceve
@ceve 3 жыл бұрын
@@endme623 What has Hector ever done to you?
@cmbuenaobra1490
@cmbuenaobra1490 3 жыл бұрын
@@ceve noooooooooooooo not this line
@araphrodisiac3693
@araphrodisiac3693 3 жыл бұрын
@@ceve nO
@lord_ozymandias
@lord_ozymandias 3 жыл бұрын
i want to see him if only so i can beat him up. if they do him like sisyphus and try to make him a likeable character i’ll commit a war crime
@malmcgregor7786
@malmcgregor7786 2 жыл бұрын
8:35 when I reached this point in the game for some reason, I remember in the movie Troy the fight between Hector and Achilles and then the line that happened before the battle which was "You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ear or a tongue. You will wonder the underworld blind, deaf, and dumb, and all the dead will know: This is Hector, the fool who thought he killed Achilles"
@lenoracalamint3114
@lenoracalamint3114 2 жыл бұрын
*Achilles does a respectful bow every time Zag shows up!!!!!!*
@terribleeditor4556
@terribleeditor4556 2 жыл бұрын
Zagreus, after the first conversation with Achilles: Well if you’re not going to get back together, with pops, I’ll just mend the rift myself!
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