The Story of the Sonic Rivals Games

My ability to ramble endlessly about Sonic is unmatched.
Hope you liked my little fan fiction there at the end. Naturally, as a writer and ultra Sonic nerd, I've thought about my own ideas for Sonic stories before. And it was fun to share some that I came up with while playing through these games. I might do more stuff like that in the future if y'all liked it.
One thing I opted to leave out of the video is that I have a theory that Eggman Nega in this game may have originally been a different character. The way Silver talks about him, especially with Eggman, it makes it seem like they do not perceive how they have almost the same name. Eggman's like, "Eggman Nega? Who could this person possibly be?" As if he doesn't notice his own name being said. How could that not be mentioned? Shouldn't it be more like, "I don't know why you're attaching Nega to my name, but blah blah blah." Perhaps originally there was a new character that was actually Eggman's descendant, but they changed this character to Nega later on. My guess would be they didn't want to introduce a new character in a spinoff like this. So Nega gets this retcon as he is just taking the place of a cut character. Maybe. Just my guess based on peculiar dialogue.
Another thing, I wonder if Metal Sonic 3.0 is supposed to have any relation to Gemerl, considering they have the same color scheme. Probably not. Black and yellow are Nega's colors too, so that's most likely why. But it's certainly a similarity.
Really though, I should be calling him Metal Sonic Three-Point-Zero. That's what Nega says every time. Odd voice direction. There's also a lot of naming people in this game. Everyone is constantly referring to everyone else by name in a pretty awkward way. Just some observations.
Nega also has a different voice than Eggman in this game, when they had the same voice in Rush. But I prefer them sounding different. They even laugh differently too. Which I like.
That's enough of that. This is almost turning into an extension of the video itself.
Rivals 1 0:00
Rivals 2 32:03
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[@Pariah6950]

In regards to the Angel Island thing and the recent Frontiers short, the argument that Angel Island never went back to floating goes under the assumption that since the Forces comic, where we also see Angel Island floating again, is a retcon. I would say those could be even further evidence that it went back up at the end of SA1. But it's not like retconning something major like that is unbelievable...

[@hashbrown746]

I can’t wait for the Amy video since the knuckles short was this great

[@spritvio639]

Man what a coincidence the time you uploaded this video the Knuckles Short came out.

[@antoniosaraiva7287]

will you make a video about the sonic frontiers prologue? (in my opinion it baits a origin story for the caos emeralds)

[@turtlestump]

Was just about to comment I’d love to hear your perspective on that short, it has some pretty massive implications about Angel Island’s history

[@Pariah6950]

@@antoniosaraiva7287 Will probably talk about it and the comic during the Frontiers story video.

[@spritvio639]

Sonic Rivals logic be like- Knuckles: Hey Eggman the Master Emerald is missing, did you take it? Eggman: No. Knuckles: Understandable, have a nice day.

[@Ismazing]

"The story is basically nothing" *video is 53 minutes long* I love you Pariah.

[@Charziken909]

Part 1 is only 30 mins long but yeah

[@weredrago2]

Pariah: The story is basically nothing. Also Pariah: *nearly an hour left in the video runtime* this is what I come here for

[@kenn_k]

lmao, every time. i love this mf

[@robertlupa8273]

I haven't watched the video yet and I'm really curious how he's gonna stretch all of this over 50 minutes.

[@miqwerty]

Kinda digging the "Pariah writes a better story by just riffing off the top of their head" part. Definitely should be included in the future

[@SayuriSRC]

10:10 It's funny how Angel Island floating or not floating was confirmed literally today with the animated Sonic Frontiers Prologue short, where Knuckles is on the still-floating island, finally guarding the Master Emerald again.

[@SweaterSwagg]

Right?! Lmao

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

Moral of the Story: Blaze is the best Sonic character

[@iyague]

Shadow would like a word.

[@TacoManX9]

I remember reading somewhere that Silver's inclusion in Sonic Rivals might have actually been a late-development thing. Matter of fact, according to one of the developers of the Rivals duology, Jet from the then-recent Sonic Riders was supposedly slated to be a playable in Rivals. On account of Sonic 06 being on its last portion of development, it's possible that Jet was replaced with Silver to coincide with the release of 06 (especially since Rivals was released barely a week afterwards).

[@LeafRazorStorm]

"Ha! I'm not Eggman! I'm actually... Eggman Nega!" "Oh yeah? Well, I'm not Sonic! I'm Sonic wearing a silly hat!"

[@tonycorona8501]

"Who cares"

[@numbug1234]

The worst part about Eggman Nega is the fact that while Blaze's retcon was undone (and likely an accidental development due to the rushed nature of the game, given that in-game doesn't explicitly say she's FROM the future and promotional material (including the leaked script) still keep the same backstory), Dr. Eggman Nega's retcon was kept in. So even when both characters of Sonic Rush get their origins changed, only one of them actually gets fixed to how it is meant to be while the other one's origin is double downed. And this also fucks up the canon a lot more, since now Sonic Rush HAS to be canon because of Blaze, but the Eggman Nega of that game can't be canon because he's entirely different than in Rivals, and yet Rivals also has to be canon since it's Silver's reintroduction and he continues to exist after this game. Oh, and don't forget how, because Rivals and Rivals 2 never released in Japan, the JP fandom's first introduction to post-timeline-boot Silver is Sonic Colours DS. Where Sonic already knows Silver. Gee, fantastic. I love this franchise most of the time, but this sure as hell isn't one of those times.

[@G5onicDmi]

I love this comment

[@galten7361]

It's just retcon. The canon order now is that the Rivals games happen and later Nega starts working with his ancestor rather than try to delete him.

[@thesoniczone11]

Eggman Nega's entire character concept makes MORE Sense from the future than from Blaze's world. Especially his name. It reminds me of the Reverse Flash from DC. A guy from the future obsessed with someone from the past, and makes his entire identity into being that guy's opposite.

[@tonycorona8501]

As stupid as it is, Rivals gave more Depth to Nega than the Rush games.

[@felipe_drawmania1604]

Even If It makes more sense It's still a blatant Inconsistency in regards to what the character was actually supposed to be.

[@lukescrew1981]

True

[@playerback7722]

@@tonycorona8501 well that is true

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@felipe_drawmania1604 This is true. But I think the bigger issues here is less that it's a retcon and more that Rivals just flat-out ignores Rush rather than address and explains the retcon.

[@hattoripool1533]

You know I always found Eggman Nega’s existence disturbing because that means somewhere in the Sonic Universe there was a women who actually did it with Eggman and had kids with him. You really have to wonder in universe what women is crazy enough to want a Egg Scientist who’s built like Nikocado Avocado

[@tonycorona8501]

This world it's equally crazy what with all the serial killers fangirls

[@yall_girl_eve]

It was starline 🗿🗿

[@kirby12crystals20]

In the Sonic Heroes’ instruction manual it did say that Eggman is a womanizer so the possibilities of who Eggman had sex with is endless.

[@xraiderblack1850]

@@kirby12crystals20 Imagine if it was Cream’s mom💀💀💀

[@JonnySpec]

It isn't really that surprising. Also, remember in AoStH when Robotnik almost got married? I know, that's not canon though

[@pineapplepenguin1759]

"sonic investigates a mysterious island where his friends went missing" hey wait a minute...

[@pineapplepenguin1759]

also inscryption stole the idea of using a camera to turn people into cards from this game

[@professortrickroom3777]

As someone who enjoys the mostly consistent Japanese cast more, I think Jason Griffith is the most emblematic English-language Sonic VA. Besides having nostalgia for the games he was casted for, I think his portrayal fits Sonic the most. I also find that he strikes a good balance between confidence and kindness.

[@silveramyknux241]

I like to believe, the Sonic cast canonically speaks English. Due to Sonic’s western inspirations, Sonic 1 first came out in America, English is used a lot in the Japanese versions of these games, English music is never given an official Japanese translation, in song remix form, normally, and Sonic just being more popular in America then Japan.

[@Pariah6950]

I agree. But there are certain things that get lost in translation because the game's are written in Japanese. The fact that Sonic speaks in English so much is a unique trait of his that we don't get, you know?

[@silveramyknux241]

@@Pariah6950 Yeah, to be more accurate, I believe the Japanese versions are cannon, they just canonically are speaking English. Probably an butt pull, and there are still elements that gets lost in translation to English like you said but that’s just how I feel.

[@soulbound2]

@@silveramyknux241 I disagree but that's mostly because frontiers English dub came first then Japanese and many Japanes fans have said the English dub is better So is more a matter of which script was written first English or Japanese

[@tonycorona8501]

A weird thing regarding Silver: according to a poll, he is among the top 5 most popular characters with the staff at Sonic Team. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess, for how little thought they give to him.

[@felipe_drawmania1604]

Before I even watch It I expect some rant regarding Eggman Nega.

[@tonycorona8501]

The rant of Sonic Team not caring of continuity lol

[@yall_girl_eve]

00:27 Honestly, this is one of the premises i most want from the sonic franchise, it could be a game, series, i just need a "silver stains gate" thing, where it shows silver getting into different fucked up futures again and again and trying to deal with it, maybe concluding with him staying in the present in hope to fix the future It could be a animated short like the frontiers prologue, maybe even a groundhog day style to it

[@tonycorona8501]

Regarding Shadow refering to people by name, I presume Takashi Iizuka wrote the story in Japanese and then the translator messed up that detail. It's a theory, a Game theory!

[@tretendo]

I'm indifferent about Silver but the IDW comics at least how Ian writes him made me like him a little bit. It was always weird to me that Sega keeps bringing him back more than Zavoc and they don't even try to explain the bullshit that comes with him. Like is Silver like a time cop or something? Why is he the only person time traveling to fix shit? How is he able to come to different time periods does he have a time machine or a weird magical stone to do this shit? And why does he have these weird Psychic powers?? Is this some form of chaos energy like it's such an outlandish ability even for Sonic characters to just be born to do some shit like that? And does he have some connection to Sonic, Shadow or Amy in some way? It seems kinda odd that Sonic Team would deliberately make him a hedgehog on not even hint to it like with Shadow being a parallel to Sonic in many ways. I would like Silver to get another chance at the spotlight in a mainline game for Sega to expound or answer some of this shit going on with him.

[@Pariah6950]

I probably shoulda gone more into the fact that there's no explanation for how Silver time travels anymore. That's some lazy shit.

[@tonycorona8501]

@@Pariah6950 Don't worry, you'll have an opportunity in Colors Ds

[@galten7361]

The current lore is that Silver just travels around time using portals that just pop up in the future.

[@themagnificentmrmcgee]

I feel like one of the solutions for Silver was to have made him a part of Blaze's dimension, it probably would have fixed many of the issues Silver had later on,

[@Pariah6950]

I've thought the exact same thing. Just fully reboot Silver and make him from the Sol Dimension. Boom. Everything's fixed.

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@Pariah6950 Well, I guess there is always the fan theory that the Sol dimension is in reality the future. Not that that theory wouldn't create its own 200 holes.

[@afanisthedolphin]

@@rynobehnke8289 I know for a fact SEGA has subscribed to this theory

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@afanisthedolphin I would question this further, but Sega has made so many silly decisions over the years that adding 1 more just doesn't seem all that surprising.

[@afanisthedolphin]

@@rynobehnke8289 I mean they constantly use the concept of different points in time and dimensions as if they're the same thing. (eg. Classic Sonic)

[@JonnySpec]

So if the Sonic Rivals games never came out in Japan, I wonder if Japanese players were confused about how Sonic and Silver know each other in Sonic Colours DS Then again, as you mention, there's not a lot of plot in Sonic Rivals

[@silveramyknux241]

I love the character combination of Silver and Espio just for how random it is. So I would prefer having that and Blaze & Cream then Blaze & Cream flat out replacing them. Granted, I am biased as a Silver fan, but still.

[@sometf2player752]

31:36 in my opinion silvers not really a shitty character he just has a lot of missed potential

[@MegaFeeso]

Until that short today, I definitely always thought the intent was that angel island stopped floating, that way knuckles could just take the shrunken emerald with him whenever he leaves to help sonic

[@thehedgehog4639]

I just saw a comment about somebody wanting to make a script to fix the Sonic continuity, and I think that's exactly something you should try doing for a future video. I love how you perceive the series and I can already imagine how much better you would make it

[@charmyzard]

With Pariah's deep knowledge and logical thinking on the Sonic lore, I can't help but wonder how he'd re-write Forces.

[@callieflowers]

Silver has so much potential as a character and its a shame he constantly gets slapped around like a Webkinz plush soaked in milk

[@tiagocervera5661]

I know

[@spritvio639]

Silver's speed is more of an inconsistency in 06 than Rivals. Remember the first cutscene where he zoomed across the Sky? Then in the rest of the game he's just too slow.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

If Eggman can turn anything into a card by taking a picture of it, then why doesn't he just take a picture of Sonic and friends so no one can stop him?

[@xxsupersayen34xxnoe33]

I was about to say that maybe he didn't like/couldn't take pictiure of living people but he actually does in the story so... they really haven't tried to create an actual story in this game

[@xraiderblack1850]

You didn't know? Sonic is faster than light and Knuckles is stronger than light. In other words, they're just built different. No need to look it up; just trust me bro.

[@roxonightreturns]

@@xraiderblack1850 wtf does being stronger than light even mean???

[@xraiderblack1850]

@@roxonightreturns Um....well...what I mean is... . Due to Knuckles being the strongest thing alive, (ignore Chaos from Sonic Battle for a second), he can flex every individual cell in his body to make himself impervious to anything; even something as small as a light ray can't get in.

[@qstmrk8004]

"Don't think about it"

[@mahmoud999]

20:30 that was a genuine "shut the fuck up" I'm weak

[@silveramyknux241]

20:43 The Japanese Sonic Comics from Sonic Channel’s celebration for Sonic’s 25th Anniversary, it does establish that Nega does have a inter-dimensional and multi-time period teleporter. But that just was done to explain this retcon, I still find this stupid.

[@inkie2504]

i love that during this entire video you just sound so fucking done

[@chaossonic1237]

Funny you say that about the japanese scripts as here is the thing Sonic Frontiers here is American Script from Ian Flynn first then the Japanese version of the script is localised from the American version so it will be interesting to see how it is in reverse

[@purpleboye_]

I want to write a solution for Silver where he realizes that the only way to save the future is to stay in the present and keep influencing things. In practice it doesn't change much but it would be so satisfying.

[@xxsupersayen34xxnoe33]

I remember when a youtuber which are not sonic fans tried to expalin the entire sonic story, the way they understood silver was that every time he'd go to the past to fix things he'd die and be replaced by another silver which would also grow up in an horrible world and also try to fix things. they comically repeat the exact same thing 5 time for every time silver had to go to the past while the writer were rehashing the same storyline

[@xxsupersayen34xxnoe33]

the way I saw the whole "is nega from the soul dimention or the future" thing when I didn't really care about the official sonic canon by following what was said in interviews, was that the soul dimension and the future 'dimension' are the same, with the the soul/future dimension being an alternative dimension that is somewhat parrallel to sonic's world while also being influenced sonic's world as if it were its past(basically an extension of how 06 treated the future as a single place) then this explained why boaze was in he future in 06 and why nega has contradicting origins personnally I still really like this interpretation even if I now know it's not the 'intended' one, because even after all this time we barely know anything of the future and the soul dimention(right now all we know about the future is that silver exists), so instead of having two fully empty world we'd instead have only one almost empty dimension

[@sonicheroes]

What channel is that video from? Sound hilarious

[@xxsupersayen34xxnoe33]

@@sonicheroes I'll send you a link, tell me if you do receive it or if it's been blocked by youtube

[@xxsupersayen34xxnoe33]

@@sonicheroes kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3mVe3usatJom9E

[@xxsupersayen34xxnoe33]

@@sonicheroes I've just sent it note: I haven't rewatched it so I'm not sure, but they might only talk about silver in part 2

[@CarvedDaWarped]

If they wanted to make Silver one of Eggman Nega's arch enemies, much like Blaze, then why not just have Silver be part of the Sol Dimension from the get-go? And considering they're often seen together in current pieces of media, it would potentially save a lot of continuity headaches & would make for decent spinoffs/sequels of the Sonic Rush games, that wouldn't have to involve Sonic & co for most of them if may be. If SEGA wanted to reboot Silver's character without time shenanigans. Just a thought.

[@PikachuGamerSMT]

How does Silver even travel back to the past? In 06 Mephiles used chaos control? to send Silver to the past but Mephiles was erased so how does Silver keep coming back? And don’t say “He used chaos control” because he forgot how to do that

[@isaacargesmith8217]

honestly its funny how like Nega's last real canon appearance was just stuck in the ifrit dimension screaming for help under falling rubble as espio and silver just do NOT care and make fun of him as they leave. Weirdly fits in a way since he's the much more bratty pathetic eggman. Kinda fits that he'd go out unceremoniously in a way, he keeps trying to end everything bombastically when he doesnt get his way yet he doesnt even get his own way in how he goes out. Even like writers on the comics like Ian Flynn just work under the assumption he was killed off so he probably is just straight up dead. Outside of the olympic games, which probably only have him because he was grandfathered in by I think the first one, he really doesnt show up in any media anymore.

[@Harrinsain]

Every time you say some variation of "and then Eggman turns x into a card" it just gets funnier and funnier.

[@vadim_65rus]

Sonic Rivals predicted Inscryption

[@LegendaryHedgieMii]

Every time someone talks about Sonic Rivals games, it gives me a nostalgic feeling

[@Kingbeat1]

You got to be kidding me they took away his master emerald powers

[@GamingintheAM0801]

I really appreciate you always pointing out -- even with the classic games -- how fucked the continuity of Sonic games are. It baffles me the way the modern fanbase holds the Dark Age games as some sort of paragon of long-form storytelling and act like the series' more lax attitude towards continuity was something that started with Pontac and Graff. No, it's *always* been like that. Sonic games have *always* bent the rules of the canon and retconned past events. They just told stories they wanted to tell and didn't sweat the overarching details. The "Sonic timeline" has never really been a thing beyond the absolute broadest sense of the term. The games basically just take place in the order they were released, and if there are contradictions and retcons, it's simply because Sonic Team decided those didn't matter.

[@kota7341]

Loved both these games as a kid, dont hold so much nowadays but i like to go back to em time to time

[@skullivan2310]

Nostalgic... but I never knew the plot of the first one tbh.

[@harryenchiladas8826]

I would like the concept of a "cannon event" to exist in the Sonic universe, that is, that no matter what happens, Silver remains an inevitable element in Sonic's timeline. and with this establish that there are things that simply cannot be avoided, but also not explicitly say what or who falls into this equation.

[@harryenchiladas8826]

I understand where you're going with the reinterpretation of Tails, it's very good, except for the point that you make the protagonist lose twice in a row at the beginning. Unfortunately games are not just stories, they are also games, so you have to consider that the player needs some minimal feeling of completing something to stay interested in the game. I have two cases, The Great Ace Attorney, in which your graphic novel character wins trials and solves mysteries (that is, the core of the game is achieved, reaching the truth). But you are nothing more than a foreign student, so You don't have much experience or power, and you see how you can't get people convicted or you just freed someone dangerous. Another case closer to platforming is MegaManX, with x losing against Vile, but Zero rescuing you and showing that that is the model to follow. Then in the final levels, once Zero is defeated by Vile, unfortunately you cannot beat him despite all your power, so Zero sacrifices himself and destroys Vile's armor, allowing you to take out your anger on the unarmed Vile and Zero before dying he gave you his Buster

[@AizakkuAnalysis]

I've been thinking about that for a long time. Is there a reason they feel the need to bring back Silver so much as a recurring character? Is it part of the reference of making him like Future Trunks in DBZ? Blaze doesn't get to return, yet Silver is constantly there? He played a big role in both Forces and the IDW comics. When's Blaze's turn?

[@BlueJack222]

I swear I feel like these Sonic stories are going to drive you insane one day especially when you're thinking about what was the context of stories in the past rather than what they are now

[@Pariah6950]

Going to? One day? They already drove me insane long before I ever started making these videos lol.

[@silveramyknux241]

My head cannon is that, due to Eggman Nega hating how much Eggman ruined the family tree’s reputation from his failures, he tries everything in his power to be more successful then Eggman in anything he does, no matter if it destroys the world or not. His nick name “Eggman Nega” is to show how he is the negative Eggman, where Eggman is always a failure, Nega is always a succeeder, it’s why he is such a salty loser. And he tries to take over the Sol Dimension since it’s a great way to take over in multiple dimensions. He pretends he’s from the Sol Dimension in Rush, and maybe Rush Adventure, to trick Eggman so he could make both of them successful and save the family tree. I know, but my pull, but it’s the best I can come up with.

[@ChevySamk]

that mocking was awesome

[@Kingbeat1]

I wish the first game had voice acting and good voice acting

[@Jaylobeans]

I Wonder If Onyx Island Will Get A Reference In Sonic Frontiers Due To The Future Plot & Cyberspace Being Connected To The Angel Islands & The Master Emerald. Also I Understand Your Distaste Towards Silver, But Give Him Some Slack. He Is Such A Better Character In The Archie/IDW Comics & I'm Hoping He Gets A Good Redemption In The Future. He Is One Of My Favorite Characters & Will Always Defend Him.

[@Visleaf]

20:55 in Japanese he calls it "that world." Also it's unclear to me whether Nega was made for Rush, because Rivals leaked to the press in early 2005, and there exists a concept art sketch of a suspiciously Eggman Nega (as in the negative of Eggman, so a thin scientist with hair and goatee but no moustache) looking design alongside a drawing of the Yeti enemy.

[@Pariah6950]

Huh. I've never seen that art before. That's very interesting. Though it really just makes my theory that I left in the description seem even more plausible.

[@spritvio639]

Silver from his very conception is a very "Don't think about it" kind of character. When you start looking into him he doesn't really make any sense. He's from a future where realistically nothing should be going on because it's covered in fire and lava. Everyone and everything should be long dead with what we see way befire he is even born. He's friends with Blaze who also seems to be from there which is its own problem, etc.

[@TheEXmasterwrecker]

blaze is sonic's alt dimension version. nega is eggman's alt. is the ifrit chaos's alt?

[@xraiderblack1850]

I don’t think Ifrit is from the Sol Dimension. Would’ve cool if it was but it ain’t🙁

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

bootleg solaris

[@TheEXmasterwrecker]

@@SonplaysMinEcraft damn, you're right. solaris would have been better...

[@isaacargesmith8217]

Out of curiosity youve been mentioning good vs bad visual novel sections lately since most of these hand held games have them. What do you consider some really good and/or bad non sonic examples off the top of your head dont mind me asking be it actual VNs or games with VN parts you've played if thats ok to ask.

[@oat9616]

I hope you keep doing these rewritings of sonic games

[@afanisthedolphin]

Silver hater located; opinion invalidated. No but seriously, well made video. Can't wait for Riders!

[@JenerikEt]

I have to assume blaze and negas retcons were because sonic 06 was supposed to be a reboot, possibly meant to have a new cannon, and rivals was made around the same time as 06

[@soulbound2]

Actually it wasent ment to be a reboot that is souly misinfo

[@serPomiz]

the wrose part of silver is that we had time travel and space alteration since sonic CD. you could do pretty much 3/4 of every single time travel thrope. from separated from the timeline, to 'your acting destabilized time, your time will always be the next crysis sonic will be living trought" even just a "I'm rubberbanding throught time, I can't just permanetly be in either so I just travel" which would work even with keeping silver in a passive position instead of this "hi, I'm here now, or rather now here". they wanted us to like silver so much in the late '00, but then they just stopped caring altogether

[@Metal_Overlord]

I would love to see you rewrite games more.

[@LordEmperorBoss]

Whenever anything in Sonic the Hedgehog stops making sense, I usually blame time travel which usually means Silver screwed up something in the past that changed the present (possibly retconning and/or rebooting the series) and caused a new problem in the future which also changes Silver’s origin and sends him back to the past again and the cycle repeats indefinitely maintaining the constants but changing the variables each time.

[@Austinator0630]

The rivals games alongside the Nights Jorney of Dreams are the last projects haddled by Segastudios USA before being reasorbed into Sega Team in early 2008.

[@LordEmperorBoss]

Maybe the real difference between Nega and Eggmam is Nega is mentally ill and gets his origins confused. A confused and crazy evil genius.

[@xanimal8821]

"This story is basically nothing" Proceeds to make an almost hour long video on it wkwk. Jokes aside this was a good video, I especially enjoyed the part at the end of the video where you just come up with ideas in your head to make the story better.

[@EWOODJ]

1:13 Thanks for giving my ears a rest lol.

[@mavrickindigo]

Silver going back to the future only to find it fucked up again is a running plot point in the Archie and IDW comics. Well, until recently. They pulled that once in IDW and now that his future is nice, he decides to hang out in the past just because of all the friends he made there.

[@spritvio639]

You know, when you describe Silver like that he is kind of like Strange Supreme from What If...?

[@gregtom3272]

even in stories like that which seem simple , you still manage to find a lot of depth in them , wonder how it is for other sonic games any way like from 2010s how ever , there is some thing i wanted to tell you rearding amy which is un related to this video but might explain why her characterization was not that good in 2000s , is that i once heard you say some thing in your sonic battle video about her theme being similar to that of 2000s anime girls which made me though about that for a bit , so i did research for a while about that and i found out about some thing that was popular when it comes to anime in 2000s among girls in japan regarding how female characters with love interest are portrayed , and that is Type B (alias Type Dere or sweet): These Tsundere have deredere as their default mood. They are sweet, kind and generous, but just happen to have a hidden violent side as well. In this case, temper is almost always triggered by someone or something else, usually a Love Interest. Either they have Belligerent Sexual Tension, or are an idiot, or are an Accidental Pervert, or just has no idea how to handle feelings of love and attraction. May also overlap with Violently Protective Girlfriend if her Love Interest is threatened or in danger. This is the "cat" in "bearcat". Type B should not be confused with a Yandere. If a Type B Tsundere were really convinced that their Love Interest didn't want them, they would revert back to the deredere side and probably enter an I Want My Beloved to Be Happy phase it really made me wonder if that is what sonic team thought regarding portraying amy

[@jackaltamer2792]

I respectfully disagree abt Eggman Nega's retcon. He never really made sense to me as an Alt Eggman from Blaze's world considering the Sol Dimension and Nega reference the Chaos dimension characters in completely different ways. Everything else in Sol is similar, but also very different. Nega is the only one that is just a straight up copy of his counterpart. I'm glad they fixed that with the retcon. I also think it's totally plausible he pretended to be alt Eggman just like he pretends to be the real Eggman here. As for the name, I would also say it makes more sense. You yourself said the name (and the design) made little sense in Rush, but here it can be taken to have a similar meaning to Reverse Flash. Nega hates Eggman, so he calls himself Negative Eggman to show that he is different from his ancestor. He is opposite and wont ruin his family name like Ivo did.

[@SprocketWatchclock]

At this point, I just assume every game is its own continuity except direct squeals. (i.e. Sonic Advance & Sonic Advance 2) Any references to previous games or stories is just where the two timelines happen to have similar events.

[@spritvio639]

​@@miadatenshi9903My guess is the numerous problems with the Sonic continuity. The individual games have good stories (sometimes), but trying to string them all together is a nightmare.

[@jaxixteen]

Neat vid I wonder if you'd do a sonic AU one day

[@NeoNoteDev]

Oooh, "the story of", now I get why previous vid didn't have any story things

[@allowcoy0413]

You forgot the story element where Eggman Nega grows out his facial hair and starts holding DND campaigns through which he continues turning people into cards.

[@GuilitoDoinks]

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Chaos into this story. He could appear at the end being extremely pissed that Nega is feeding Chaos to Ifrit, considering he's the guardian of them. He could also use the seven emeralds to become perfect Chaos, but use the possitive energy instead of negative, which could give him a different appearance. Chaos and Ifrit could fight like a Godzilla battle while the other characters could be supporting roles in the fight. This could be a way of redeeming Chaos's actions of the past, and potentially give him a new title instead of only being known as a God of Distruction.

[@runningoncylinders3829]

Eggman just has Leshy's camera in this.

[@elibonham4388]

Sonic frontiers Prologue just came out😂. It's floating

[@dawnkist1456]

Funny explanation: sol dimension eggman nega's descendent is the normal eggman

[@Pig3636]

I just kinda assume Blaze and Eggman Nega in Rivals/06 were versions of the characters born in the main timeline so that they’re not the same versions as the ones from Rush. Also Silver coming back all the time I think isn’t that much of an issue because I’m pretty sure this dude is only in like 06, Rivals 1 & 2, Generations and Forces.

[@chaossonic1237]

that theory that Angel Island is not floating anymore is noncanon cause Angel island is still floating in the Sky in the Sonic Frontiers Prologue Divergence Animated Short which is canon to the games

[@SnaksiXD]

As much as i hate the entire Eggman Nega debackle, i have to go on Rivals' side considering that the Rivals games explain Nega's origins in the most detail. He's a descendant of Dr. Eggman from 200 years in the future. Having adopted the Eggman name from his great great great grandfather, in a cruel twist of irony he became just as pathetic if not more than the original Eggman. Having lost all credibility and threat, essentially ruining the Eggman name, he jumped to the Sol Dimension, which he possibly made his home for a period of time, being his own brand of nuisance to it's inhabitants. After his defeat at the hands of Sonic and Blaze after meeting his grandfather, it's most likely that despite the release order, Rush Adventure comes after it, followed by the Rivals games afterwards. After the defeat in Rush Adventure, Nega may have been disappointed by his great grandfather and grown a hatred towards him, blaming Eggman for his shortcomings in true Eggman fashion, beginning the events of the Rivals games.,

[@jackaltamer2792]

Tbf. If that's how the ME works idk why that means the CE need to work that way. The ME is also basically a bigger seemingly more powerful one too so if any of them would be this hyper powerful omnipresent through time thing on the level of Solaris I could see it being that one as apposed to the other gems.

[@Krissylis]

I think it's less a case of Sega not paying attention to lore and more a case of certain games probably not being considered canon anymore.

[@kilometersperminute4113]

In Japanese media they straight up ignore Rivals since it's wasn't released there, so Silver is still in the broken 06 timeline and Blaze and Nega are in their dimension proper.

[@theshooterkm]

Lums

[@MegaFeeso]

I’d like to see you do a video on that new short lol

[@lukescrew1981]

If only had they translated the games correctly the english dubs would've been legendary. But at least this way we have Shadow's game being great in 2 different ways

[@EWOODJ]

Eh

[@lukescrew1981]

@@EWOODJ What

[@HazeX2]

The pre-2010 english dubs are still legendary regardless

[@tiagocervera5661]

25:24 the reason why sliver exsiting is becuase of something that happen after 06 was removed from the timeline and you say events were erase this made room for rush and rivials to be the canon apperences for blaze and sliver witch means this is not the same sliver this is a sliver from a different future

[@GamingintheAM0801]

Not to defend the story per se, but I think Silver's lack of a proper introduction in Rivals 1 is largely due to marketing. Rivals was released, like, less than a week after Sonic '06, and so Silver was really only included as cross-promotion. Those who played Rivals first might be compelled to give '06 a try just to learn more about this new character, and those that played '06 first would already know him. And since both games were being developed at the same time, it can also be assumed that -- like usual -- the two teams probably didn't have a whole lot of communication going on.

[@DannyBenS94]

As much as I think the Rivals games are underrated, especially Rivals 2...yeah, it wasn't because of the stories lol. I mean I just kind of ignore the stories in games like this, but they still could've done better with them. So an idea that I just thought of is a game where it stars Silver and Blaze going through and trying to fix all the dimensions that Sonic Team has created with their uncaring nature toward continuity, but disguise it as a villain trying to do evil things with the dimensions. Really do something interesting with the time stuff with Silver and the dimensional stuff with Blaze. What Sonic Team would most likely end up doing with an idea like that is make a new character or two instead of Silver and Blaze and their whole purpose is to watch the dimensions and Sonic would befriend them, but in games afterwards, they'd re-appear for no good story reasons lol.

[@tiagocervera5661]

52:33 at first i was mad about this becuase it ditch something from the game but thin i remamber that cream has not been in a sonic game for a while so im okey with it

[@mavrickindigo]

You should watch the new Sonic short that just came out today that proves that Angel Island is still floating.

[@NIGHTBLOODUSAGI]

well dang the angel island theory is kinda broken because of divergence huh

[@greatdevourskeleton7685]

an idea for the sonic rivals story rewrite maybe the reason blaze is racing is because cream is saying that blaze is the best and is forcing her to race with everyone else

[@ObaREX]

The ONLY reason I even picked up a Sonic Rivals game (the second one) was because the cover for Sonic Rivals 2 looked so badass, and the idea of Shadow and Metal teaming up seemed so fucking cool, I just had to play it even if I never played the first. I remember mini-me and my younger brother seeing that pairing and going "Oh shit, everyone else is screwed!" and feeling so hyped. Safe to say, I ended up a little disappointed.

[@dn22pkkdd476]

Ah-ha! Killing Solaris fucked with the concept of continuity itself. Anytime a continuity error occurs? Oooooooh, that pesky lack of Solaris strikes again! Honestly, this means that the entirety of space and time in Sonic's universe is hanging by the thinnest of hairs now. The ramifications of this are horrifying. Space is warped and time is bendable.

[@sonicheroes]

I really like the concept of Nega being Eggman’s descendant. Shame it had to come at the cost of screwing over the Sonic continuity even more than it already is. My ideal situation would’ve been Nega being a descendant from the start with a different character taking Nega’s roles in Rush; perhaps a rivaling kingdom that uses knights rather than Eggman’s robots to make the Sol Dimension even more unique. As for Silver, it would’ve been cool if 06 had maybe used the timeline changing resulting in Silver’s death as a plot point, make Silver take the sacrifice rather than Blaze.

[@townnn-biz]

"and as a bonus we would replace a shitty character with a cool one" bro this man pariah going after silvers throat lmaoooo

[@CableSpark872]

After hearing that little spitballing at the end, I thought that after you run out of official material for this series, you could make a video trying to conceptualize a Sonic game taking the criticism you made in this retrospectives into account. Not a 4 hour in depth video where you build the perfect gameplay and narrative for the greatest Sonic masterpiece of all time, but just a core idea were all the points you've been making across the series culminate into something. That would be an amazing watch, but it would still take a gargantuan amount of work for sure. We're pretty far from that point right now anyway, just wanted to share my idea, although you might be planning something similar already.

[@Pariah6950]

Of course I've thought about such things. But if possible, I'd rather just make that game.

[@CableSpark872]

@@Pariah6950 Hey, that's even better to hear! Save your ideas for that future project then, I'm sure it will turn out great if it's coming from you, however long it may take. The tonal shift and missed potential in the post Unleashed games are probably gonna give us a generous amount of those rewrites anyway :r