Something I'd like to note on Fang as a bully, something I'm pretty sure isn't actually taken into account with the creation of the story but is neat regardless, is the way that Fang has had very similar faults Trip fell into in Sonic Triple Trouble. The way his traps would go awry, how his own missile gets sent back at him one time, how he literally get buried into the ground another, and of course how he runs off like a coward when Eggman is approaches in his jumping machine in Atomic Destroyer act 3. He's depicted as just about as clumsy as Trip can be, yet not only is he doing it out of malice, but Superstars adds onto what used to be little bits of comic relief as him pushing Trip down to make him feel better about his own shortcomings. Again, I'm pretty sure his characterization in Triple Trouble wasn't at the forefront during Superstars' development, but I just really like how that can be read into with what we know about the character of Fang regardless.
@Pariah69506 ай бұрын
I thought the same exact thing. Fang could be bullying Trip because she reminds him of himself. But I similarly doubt that was an intentional thing, so I decided not to mention it.
@patrickquinones25336 ай бұрын
@@Pariah6950 I honestly think that along with that is that he used trip as a scapegoat because of his ego, like he thinks that he is perfect and everything he makes wont be a failure and because trip comes along he chooses to blame trip instead himself( which he shouldn't do in the first place because even in his first appearance it gets turned against him. He didn't even have anyone to blame, eggman would probably get metal to sic him if he's blamed, metal would kill him if he's blamed, Knuckles? would also kill him probably although I believe the metal copied knuckles fan theory is true) and and that's why trip fighting back was a lot more powerful
@vittosphonecollection572896 ай бұрын
That kinda reminds me of Infinite, which hated his old "weak and pathetic" past self and thought he was invincible when getting Phantom Ruby.
@lehashura4906 ай бұрын
I remember the creator of Fang talking about being inspired by Wile e coyote: a character who would use tricks and tools who would backfire on him. It's possible the writer took that into account even if unconciously
@lehashura4906 ай бұрын
Also something I noticed, and maybe it's purely headcanon but Trip and Fang relationship remind me of a toxic version of Tails and Sonic. You know Sonic and Fang are confident adventurers while Tails and Trip are socially akward followers (Tails was bullied, Trip is timid) and both "followers" end up growing independant, the difference being Trip do it out of frustration while Tails simply grows up
@daspir31546 ай бұрын
One interesting detail that may or may not be intentional with thrips clumsiness is that it seems to stem from the armor itself. You see a lot in the animated cutscenes especially that the big helmet often gets in the way of arm and hand movements and that her big blocky boots often causes her to trip. Not sure if it’s the intended meaning, but I think that this is meant to convey that this kind of defense mechanism of ‘armoring yourself’ isn’t going to solve any of the problems that you have in your social interactions and will only cause you to second guess yourself.
@badusername7656 ай бұрын
It’s kinda insane going from Pariah’s mixed feelings in his live playthrough of this game at launch to, now, being Sonic Superstars’ strongest soldier. It’s stuff like this that makes me keep coming back to the channel, and I’m all for it.
@Rosy-uz5ld6 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure he had positive feelings at the end of his first playtrought
@tphofficial646 ай бұрын
I think the fact he ended up loving Superstars more and was indifferent towards Wonder might be showing up which is the better game in hindsight lol
@dmclsl036 ай бұрын
@@tphofficial64 yeah, Wonder
@sehtuk39536 ай бұрын
Time Attack changes a man
@ItsLeah436 ай бұрын
Honestly I really liked Superstars too despite a few decently sized flaws it has, the core gameplay experience was a TON of fun for me, I'm not sure why people generally hate on it so much. I guess following Mania it seemed like a downgrade in some areas but overall it worked really well imo
@seematahir59706 ай бұрын
I'm very fond of how Sonic games will take these characters who are nigh upon demigods and make them completley inept dorks in regular social situations, like Blaze with Cream in Rush or Silver with Amy in 06. Its very cute and I'm glad we got to see it continue with Trip.
@stardust-reverie6 ай бұрын
this type of thing is something i’ve always loved seeing in stuff ever since i was a kid bc it’s like. you don’t stop having mundane normal person problems when you have cartoon superpowers and stuff and it makes the characters way more relatable than if it magically made all their character flaws disappear on merit alone
@elivcdxv18526 ай бұрын
Blaze goes hard in Sonic Rush, it's fun seeing her be formal, but distant and hearing how many people are willing to help her, only for her to be confused and willing to shut them down on it. Same for Silver too, it's the stuff that makes me love these two
@raythepony6 ай бұрын
@@stardust-reverie So true. I've legit seen some braindead Twitter users, wondering why fantasy characters can't just use magic to make their disabilities and flaws disappear. Perfect characters are boring.
@stardust-reverie6 ай бұрын
@@raythepony ikr????? twitter knows nothing lmao
@AlexanTheMan6 ай бұрын
Being designed by the great Naoto Oshima himself helps a lot considering he knows exactly what a Sonic character entails. I hope Trip is a recurring character for future Sonic games.
@AltKaxREAL6 ай бұрын
they've already teased her as a modern character among the cast in a Tails Tube, i REALLY wanna see what the heck they're trying to set up
@StellaFangX6 ай бұрын
@@AltKaxREAL Maybe that's why she's kinda overdesigned: to be a templeate for the modern version. I hope the rest of the classic characters gets a modern treatment too.
@kaistudios55366 ай бұрын
@@StellaFangX When you say the rest of the classic characters... *_Who exactly are you referring to?_*
@karenloyd27786 ай бұрын
To fully Understand the full wingspan of Superstars story... 1. (Optional) Read the "Seasons of Chaos" IDW comic to understand the Chaos Emerald that Fang's Gang lost in step 2 2. Read the "Fang the Hunter" IDW comics 3. Read the "Fang's Big Break" prequel comic 4. Watch the "Trio of Trouble" Animation 5. (Optional) Read the Sonic Superstars Manga 6. Play Superstars - Story Mode, Trip's Story, Last Story 7. Watch Pariah's video "Trip is the Best New Sonic Character in Ages" Why do 6/7 steps have nothing to do with the game?
@watershipfalls55206 ай бұрын
Fang the Hunter is optional, I would have prefered it as a serperate adventure from Superstars.
@SonicSatamAnimations3 ай бұрын
Which is why I still am unsure about sonic superstars story. It all sounds good on paper, but the fact that you can’t understand the story without going into all these different sources separate from the games… I mean, I know the originals did it, but it’s 2024! A classic sonic game can fully explain a story mid game too!
@Kelps.mp4Ай бұрын
And now Knuckles' 30th anniversary comic.
@trashboat538812 күн бұрын
They really need to start including this supplementary material in the actual game
@DaYapGuy6 ай бұрын
One thing I love about Superstars is that when you combine it w/ the Fang comic, it makes up for a really interesting dive into Fang's character : his strengths, weaknesses and ego.
@charmyzard6 ай бұрын
Pariah Fang analysis when?
@DaYapGuy6 ай бұрын
@@charmyzard He said his opinion in the comments.
@kingstarscream3206 ай бұрын
Nack is a better name. Fang the sniper? He doesn’t even have a sniper rifle.
@DaYapGuy6 ай бұрын
@@kingstarscream320 Cool for you but Idc.
@kingstarscream3206 ай бұрын
@@DaYapGuy Just my two cents.
@PixelrushTheFunnyPixelMan6 ай бұрын
Saying this is the best story since Black Knight is a bold statement, but I genuinely can’t think of any other examples. I knew there was a reason I loved Superstars’ story, thanks for the enlightenment!
@patrickquinones25336 ай бұрын
You too, Pixel!? I thought it was just me who actually enjoyed superstars
@Hyp3rSonic5 ай бұрын
@@patrickquinones2533 I love Superstars!
@freezeblazestar10794 ай бұрын
superstars is good game
@AnimalXing6 ай бұрын
I dunno if it’s ‘Trip’s story has gone over people’s heads.’ I think it’s more ‘Trip’s story is cute, but it’s really simple.’ Eggman’s motivations being muddy don’t help the remaining story either, let alone the random dragon
@kingstarscream3206 ай бұрын
The dragon was an homage to Wonder Boy
@CrapMyHat6 ай бұрын
Eggman is a one-dimensional villain doing one-dimensional villain things and there is nothing wrong with this. It fits Classic Sonic extremely well where Eggman always enslaves a random island for little reason other than he is evil. As Pariah says, this is Trip's story and it is good how well Fang and even Amy is used within this context. It is also good that the dragon at the end is designed to resemble Trip and her Super transformation which along with the giant animals of the island give the final boss a lot of needed context.
@SuperSonicMan22656 ай бұрын
@@kingstarscream320Actually I think it's a reference to the dragon egg nentioned in the Sonic 3 (Japanese) manual
@arjunmenon17966 ай бұрын
I don't know, Sonic stories have always been pretty simple. Most of the best Sonic stories are just vehicles for character exploration and character dynamics, which I think is the series strength as far as stories are concerned
@Flower_Mom2 ай бұрын
I love Trip. She's adorable.
@Hypersonic-hg8kd6 ай бұрын
22:13 You say her final design is more busy compared to the other image??? How in what way?!?!
@fordthelord11332 ай бұрын
I feel like people are saying “there’s no story in superstars!” Because they’re more modern sonic fans, fans of large elaborate stories that have a direct, real meaning to relate to, thus people with favorite characters like shadow and blaze and such who relate with their struggles and adventures. With the classic games, it’s more like an abstract art form. There is a story, but it’s up to individual interpretation for specific details. I WILL say, all the dragon business could’ve been hinted at better like how S3&K had the ancient murals when you fight knuckles. Superstars does kinda just blindside you into “oh yeah dragons exist here”
@azurecorviknight4189Ай бұрын
Heres what if i made a sonic game... Sonic & Trip The modern era sonic game, with a Modern Trip Design! Eggman has found a new area known as the Vista Isles, and to make matters worse, he kidnapped sonic & trip's friends & Put them in Indestructible Capsules! Will sonic & Trip save them?!
@32hypersonic6 ай бұрын
It has an incomplete story, the dragon come out of nowhere
@SillySnake-1Ай бұрын
I overall always called Superstars "mid," and I never liked certain music themes of the game and despised Trip's Story, but Trip and the story of the game are definitely my favorite parts about it. I only loved Trip more with the Knuckles 30th Anniversary comic. I like how, on paper, she's a little similar to Knuckles (she's a guardian and works for the villains for most of the game), but as you learn about her personality and backstory, you realize that she's a pretty unique and interesting character. I hope SEGA brings the classic Sonic exclusive characters to the Modern Era eventually.
@samuelpierce2.0886 ай бұрын
Honestly, the one big letdown of Trip’s story in Sonic Superstars is that she doesn’t get to fight the black-and-purple dragon alongside Super Sonic. Aside from being a great opportunity to control two characters simultaneously (like a more earnest version of the final fight from Sonic Forces), it would’ve been a great opportunity to use gameplay to further reinforce the story; In this case, acting as a secondary culmination of Trip’s arc from shy and scared loner to open and brave accomplice to Sonic and Co.
@rynobehnke82896 ай бұрын
Agreed. If shadow, Silver and blaze can all be part of the introduction have final super fights than why can't Trip? We were robbed of a dragon vs dragon right, hl maybe even of Sonic riding a dragon into a fight.
@Gnidel6 ай бұрын
Alternatively, she could be the black dragon herself. If she got captured by Eggman and corrupted (or reversed time to the time when she was evil in the distant past), it would work well.
@legoboy71076 ай бұрын
@@rynobehnke8289 Oh darn, Super Sonic riding Dragon Trip into the fight would have been sick, we were robbed.
@rynobehnke82896 ай бұрын
@@legoboy7107 See you get it. That would have been so cool.
@lonelyhomegirl6 ай бұрын
I love Trip, I wish she'll show up again in the future even if it's just some spin-off or another classic game learning more about her character and theming just makes me appreciate her and Superstars story a bit more
@Londonlink6 ай бұрын
Her jump also is from Vector in Knuckles Chaotics
@DanielAntovski6 ай бұрын
"More characters like this please, and less characters like Zavok" killed me XD
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat17786 ай бұрын
I want the hard Boiled heavys back
@shelbybayer2006 ай бұрын
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 They've been destroyed and Eggman will NEVER rebuild them I think
@PikachuGamerSMT6 ай бұрын
@@shelbybayer200 he didn’t really egg robos took the Phantom Ruby and transformed themselves
@maximyllion6 ай бұрын
@@shelbybayer200they were straight up left stranded in the middle of the ocean on a sinking ship
@shelbybayer2006 ай бұрын
@@PikachuGamerSMT They Heavies still aren't coming back
@rainopaino6 ай бұрын
You just know that they're gonna bring Zavok back more than trip tho. Sonic Rumble is already proof of that
@rainopaino6 ай бұрын
All hail Zavok
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat17786 ай бұрын
I want hard boiled heavies
@Bengt25096 ай бұрын
ok but idw zavok is actually pretty good
@galten73616 ай бұрын
@Bengt2509 Not really. He just upstages Eggman in an arc that goes out of its way to show him as someone who's make a world wiping out nano zombie plague but not make any contingency plans or just something to protect himself in case it was used against him (aka Flynn just writing Eggman as how he sees his game characterization rather than the flamboyant robo Nazi crossed with the Joker he wrote him as in Archie). That and be a way to lecture Starline on how to be a better wannabe usurper furry Eggman and be a tool for Sonic to make another speech on his ideals.
@Probably_CLOUD6 ай бұрын
Sega just really seems to like Zavok for some reason despite him being one of the most hated Sonic characters in the fanbase, alongside the rest of the Deadly Six. I like how it went from “Everybody Hates Chris” to “Everybody Hates Elise” to now recently “Everybody Hates Zavok”.
@BlueJack2226 ай бұрын
And the best part is Trip knows how to make pancakes some of the time
@lucy_sashimi26376 ай бұрын
Great video, well researched, well thought out, well delivered - excellent. You've given me so much appreciation for this game and character
@NightFuryLover316 ай бұрын
I am all for Trip and welcoming her into the cast of these colorful characters! Her story is very deep, and I love how it once again shows Amy's true strength is her heart. I've seen some people theorize Amy reshaped her quills in her Modern design to look like Trip.
@idkwhothisis-uv8tq6 ай бұрын
Golden Capital IS the Sonic 1 concept art. The name of the zone in the art is what we got in Superstars. It’s like that one cut Sonic 2 desert level that became Mirage Saloon in Mania, but much more direct
@TevyaSmolka6 ай бұрын
She’s really cute in my opinion
@patrickquinones25336 ай бұрын
I'm glad you can see it too
@TevyaSmolka6 ай бұрын
@@patrickquinones2533 you welcome :)
@SN64YT6 ай бұрын
Very much so! I adore her design and her character when there's more that I didn't read about her than it seemed in my run of the game. She is an adorable lil being and she should be treated well.
@TevyaSmolka6 ай бұрын
@@SN64YT same here as well
@sugarsmile78526 ай бұрын
"Mom we can we have classic chaotix" "No honey we have classic chaotix at home" classic chaotix at home:
@maximyllion6 ай бұрын
knuckles 30th anniversary special will (hopefully) come in clutch 🙏
@lillianjazed6 ай бұрын
@@maximyllionhis anniversary was technically back in February lmfao
@spoonybard23806 ай бұрын
I love Trip, I think once she takes off the helmet, they should start calling her Walks to showcase her growth from being clumsy and tripping over things to walking normally. It would be very kino.
@ZachaRicO6 ай бұрын
I saw a video not too long ago explaining Shadow's design and how the red striped on his quills evoked a certain cultural mask that represented, probably among other things, anger. In other words, there's a lot of depth to his design, and seeing you break down Trip's design makes me smile inside, as it's been a while since we got a character design that had this much thought put into it.
@natoriousthehopeful27866 ай бұрын
I wholeheartedly believe Trip and her character arc are the best part of Sonic Superstars: I really hope they bring her back in Future classic games.
@El_Ace2 ай бұрын
ok, Trip is invited to the cookout
@minty66236 ай бұрын
The reason you find Trip so fascinating to you is not only does it carry the spark from the original genesis Sonic games but that lizuka managed to craft another well compelling character that is not only simple but complex in how it is handled metaphorically and subtly and how it fits on par with the series staple of making positive differences that is akin to how Sonic's actions have a positive affect to the people around him, which is evident when Amy starts to allow Trip to open up, to not let her insecurities get the better of her, and for her to stand up against those who don't understand the real her underneath that armor she's been shelling herself I think the sentiment that Trip's story is a rehash of 3&K sounds like people looking down on the story at surface level, I think you did a gj trying to point out based on what was available from evidences not only in the game but also in the comics and animated shorts and cutscenes
@mootum6 ай бұрын
What a great video! I really love Sonic Superstars and already loved Trip a lot as a character, but this helped to provide a lot more insight and details about who she is and why she's important. The added bit about the armadillo lizard making itself into a "wheel" is fascinating! Thank you so much!
@grimm-jimm54706 ай бұрын
Trip's cool, and all, but let's be real here. She'd get mogged by the sheer epicness of a REAL dragon character like the mighty Zavok.
@harryenchiladas88266 ай бұрын
I know it may be very far-fetched, but I don't understand exactly why Trip has this social anxiety. Tails was with a lack of friends and insecure because he suffered harassment from other inhabitants; Knuckles is violent, somewhat innocent and knows the place because he is the last of his kind, he lives in solitude.But Trip, despite belonging to a lineage of guardians, we do not know if they are still alive, if they are then they are very bad at their job, if they are not, what Trip went through to suffer this shame and ignite her social anxiety?
@Pariah69506 ай бұрын
Why do you assume she's from a lineage of guardians? We know almost nothing about her people or what she does before everyone arrives. Does it really matter why she has social anxiety? Some life experiences that occurred in her past caused her to develop it. That can be easily assumed, and that's all we need.
@smolbrendan59786 ай бұрын
people have social anxiety all the time harry
@matrixmaster96166 ай бұрын
I’d love to see a modern version of Trip. I wonder who’d do her voice.
@grimknight56757 сағат бұрын
Trip and infinite i think would be SO GOOD in the idw comics.
@deedoubs19 күн бұрын
I really don't see Trip adding much to the gameplay that hasn't already been done by other characters and I don't see her having much staying power. As far as I can tell, she just exists. A lot like this game.
@shaankelly13026 ай бұрын
Trip is also one of my favorites. Best character since Blaze and a top tier character for sure
@jacobfrye36146 ай бұрын
next video: “the problem with sages existence”
@tadaokou49196 ай бұрын
Oh I hope we will get this one someday I strongly dislike Sage
@sonic59936 ай бұрын
@@tadaokou4919 I think she's fine in Frontiers, but I struggle to think what she's gonna add long-term given the ending.
@prufan6 ай бұрын
@@sonic5993 The ending in which Sage is alive? Even though she's alive in the original too. She can be his daughter and help him with his plans.
@deanmoriarty60156 ай бұрын
Sage is such a dumb character lmao
@jacobfrye36146 ай бұрын
@@prufan so what you’re trying to say is she’ll be orbot and cubot but have the personality of Chatgpt
@Amgitstigma6 ай бұрын
Great vid but I'm surprised to see you didn't catch something about Trip's design when you were mentioning how some concept art clearly looks more in-line with Sonics artstyle and better for her. Trip's head in particular looks a lot like modern Amy's and considering this is set before Adventure and Amy and Trip's friendship is very prominent here yet we never see Trip again for the entirety of the modern series, Sonic Team retroactively making it so Amy "remembers" Trip by wearing her hairstyle (quillstyle?) is another great element to this story imo. They actually managed to weave in something new from the classic era that effects modern in a sweet way.
@SonicTheCutehog6 ай бұрын
It would be cool to see her in modern Sonic games, but they for some reason want to keep characters in the classic style games separate from the modern style ones. Kind of off topic, but it's weird how we've never seen the Chaotix in a classic style game in a long time despite being introduced in the classic style.
@SantinoAintHere6 ай бұрын
I didn't know a lot of these details! That's really cool! But yeah, hard agree on her design not being the strongest, my main problem is actually the face, sonic reptiles like espio and vector have really distinct faces with unique stuff like espio with his horn and how in the classic design his eyes are actually separate, the black around his eyes helps out the design a lot. But Trip has a pointy Mighty-esque nose, regular eyes and even has bits on her head that make it look like ears, she's almost like victim of design template curse where a lot of sonic designs have to be tied down by these basic eye shapes and stuff without a lot of experimentation, which really REALLY sucks 'cause it absolutely harmed my impression of her, to the point i even want her to stay masked, hidden in her shell.
@whybother57416 ай бұрын
2:24 should’ve said “just follow the Polaris star in the sky. It doesn’t matter where it is, if you follow it, you’ll always find the island.”
@somehelluvafanboy83576 ай бұрын
You might say something that gets me annoyed at you down the line, but I'll admit, I'll respect you for having the huge fucking balls to say you liked Superstars' story over everything between it and Black Knight Mad respects for that, genuinely got surprised by it, but I am happy that you do like it that much, seeing as I saw so many negative opinions on Superstars all around
@somehelluvafanboy83576 ай бұрын
Don't worry about that first bit btw, there's a lot of ytbers I like that say something I utterly disagree with and makes me a bit upset, so don't dwell on it Plus, I'll most likely keep it to myself so you won't have another fly to deal with lol
@Joe_3347 күн бұрын
I haven't seen this roll animation since Vector from Chaotix. So which new character will spin like Espio...?
@SmileRYO6 ай бұрын
I really hope we get more of her in the future. She's fun to play.
@talonitex64416 ай бұрын
I hope trip comes into modern 3d games like knuckles
@Autokyasuto6 ай бұрын
I remember watching a Ace Card Gaming video when he was going into depths of Trip as a character. That not also really made me appreciate Trip as a character, but as a person with ASD who grew up with lots of social anxiety, I can relate to her struggles and personality on a deeper level. That’s the kind of deep characterization I feel like storytelling in modern media has been heavily moving away from. Keep up a good work man!
@thejellyjar6 ай бұрын
I LOVE her final design over the concept, but that may just be me. Even if it is an analysis many other KZbinrs have done, you've still done a fantastic job at this, very thorough, good video!
@EclipseHedgehog6 ай бұрын
i dig the concept o trip the clumsy dragon and her friendship with amy is much appreciated.
@donatellod.dabbins36096 ай бұрын
I really want more games in the style of Sonic Superstars. The multiplayer took a bit to get used to, but i genuinely had a good time playing it with my son.
@nicobane6 ай бұрын
very nice video. Can't wait for the Eggman video.
@Chokun-Gaming6 ай бұрын
I call the finalest boss What's his name the sunblocler, it feels appropriate since he's so big and dark while clearly being related to the sungazers
@hewkiithetiscytofficialcha89036 ай бұрын
That name goes pretty hard
@ChiefMedicPururu6 ай бұрын
Too bad she's never going to appear in a Modern game, despite being confirmed to still be there during the Modern era.
@andrewdowell64746 ай бұрын
16:19 Ha, you said "giant members"
@majine.26066 ай бұрын
Hopefully "Superstars'" mediocre sales performance (or the weird flip-flopping regarding whether or not the modern Classic games are their own continuity) doesn't preclude Trip making an appearance in a modern game one of these days. I think that she'd fit into the modern titles real well, and I would certainly like to see how they might update her design to fit the rest of the cast.
@ZBroadcastYTP6 ай бұрын
After watching your video and getting to hear all the story details we know about from start to finish, I think I’ve figured out the story of the Black Dragon and Eggman’s base! So as we see in the opening cutscene of the game, Eggman already pays Fang for capturing the large animals of the island, but still promises a bigger reward if he can find the Black Dragon’s egg. In the Fang the Hunter comic series that recently came out, it’s been made very clear that Fang wants to use any rewards he earns to upgrade his Marvelous Queen. During Fang’s boss fight you can see he’s not only gotten these upgrades but seems to be using the entire location as a smelter to build the robotic Fang used as Trip’s final boss. I don’t think Eggman would be so generous as to let Fang just do whatever he wants while he’s supposed to be looking for this egg, rather I believe Fang DID manage to find the egg off screen and this whole Golden Capital is his reward for delivering it to Eggman! So how does the Egg Fortress’ time travel mechanic play into this? Well as said later in the video, there’s this whole theme of the ouroboros. A cycle. Perhaps Eggman was using his Egg Fortress to break a lock that was put on the Egg long ago by Trip’s ancestors as shown in the mural, so he invents this hourglass device that can move everything inside the base back through time at a rapid pace. It could be possible that while using the base’s time travel to fight Sonic he had unintentionally put the egg through enough time travel that the seal was removed, and by the time the base was destroyed with everything flying back down to Earth, the Black Dragon was finally able to free itself. And so when Super Sonic battles the Black Dragon and Trip reseals it using the same egg as before, they are essentially repeating what Trip’s ancestors did before, they went through the same cycle! Not sure if this is what Sega intended with some of these details since supposedly there’s a lot of lore about this game they’ve kept under wraps for whatever reason, but I feel like it works really well and wish they made some of these story beats a little more obvious if they turn out to be true.
@spiritmacardi93006 ай бұрын
I did really like how it's Amy who gets Trip to open up. We're always told Amy is the heart of the group, but we usually never see it. The fact that a simple act of kindness from her is what helped Trip finally stick up for herself is really sweet in my opinion.
@ECartmanist6 ай бұрын
Really hope SEGA doesn't just abandon Classic Sonic in the future
@AltKaxREAL6 ай бұрын
you know a good part of the fans are just waiting for that to happen
@ECartmanist6 ай бұрын
@@AltKaxREAL They're obnoxious 2000's fans. They care about ''shonen, long quills, free as the wind, flawed but ambitions'' then anything else.
@milesstorzillo76505 ай бұрын
@@ECartmanist And I'm proud of it. I'll take it over the bland, dry, samey Classics any day.
@dalcomaroni98374 ай бұрын
@@milesstorzillo7650 so you're just stupid? exactly!
@Ismatic19064 ай бұрын
@@milesstorzillo7650Hell yeah brother. Classic Sonic never innovates or evolves
@Cretaceous1586 ай бұрын
Superstars would have been better if the end of the main story hinted more about the dark dragon.
@PaulFellourisStrongman6 ай бұрын
I always thought the dragon in the Japanese manual for S3&K might’ve been perfect chaos. But this does make sense as well.
@zawahonk55766 ай бұрын
The concept art of Super Sonic fighting a reptile in space immediately made me think of SA2.
@DaFunniGuy6 ай бұрын
I'm sure that they could've reused the concept of a dragon in Sonic Adventure, the manual of Sonic 3 & Knuckles mentions the dragon of the legends of Knuckles' people, and probably since the dragon was unused they saw as a good opportunity to make Perfect Chaos, since it's also tied with the Echidnas story and it is a legend among them, it eliminated almost their entire race But since it was originally a concept from a 2D Classic Game, I think they wanted to also reuse that idea in a new 2D Classic game, but with another story tied to the dragon, not related to Knuckles, the guardian of Angel Island which Sonic 3 takes place, but related to Trip, the guardian of Northstar Islands where Sonic Superstars takes place
@chefinabottle6 ай бұрын
She's great. Another introverted character in this series that I like a lot
@epidioaguilar36086 ай бұрын
I trip like a character
@andresmarrero86666 ай бұрын
Another interesting notion between the natural opposition between Trip and Fang is that Trip is the dragon and Fang is the treasure hunter out to steal the dragon's treasure (the black egg) which just happens to house an ancient evil that the dragon was keeping sealed. It is a classic situation. Also the golden capital being full of lava or molten gold is incredibly fitting for a civilization of dragons.
@loziclec.12956 ай бұрын
There are some parts of the story that really needed fleshing out (like what the deal was with the black dragon and what Eggman was trying to do with that time-reversing machine), but Takashi Iizuka absolutely cooked with Trip.
@2drad2796 ай бұрын
I dont think the trip part of superstars story is the thing most people raiwe their eyebrows against, its more the random giga dragon in the end that was barely set up in game except for the fact that a random egg existed
@Farkonso6 ай бұрын
Thank you for making analysis videos like these. Even simple facts like the armoured lizard name are so cool to hear. A shame that Trip gets a video before Zavok but hey I know we'll get the "Zavok is the Bestest New Sonic Character in Ages" video eventually
@wreday7206 ай бұрын
Yes! I can't wait for the Zavok video! Very complex character, so I wonder if he can keep it under 3 hours...
@tadaokou49196 ай бұрын
I guess we will get it on 01.04.2025 or 2026~
@kilometersperminute41136 ай бұрын
Iizuka is the dark horse of Sonic writers
@DaHeis6 ай бұрын
Meaning?
@SwizzleMix6 ай бұрын
@@DaHeisHe needs to be sent to the glue factory
@DaHeis6 ай бұрын
@@SwizzleMix OP haven't answered yet so i'll take that as a no-no.
@minty66236 ай бұрын
someone in Sonic Team especially the JP side has had to have a storytelling formula chart somewhere
@BernardoDavinci6 ай бұрын
Sonic > Shadow but y’all not ready for that convo tho
@EJElijah6 ай бұрын
Based ass opinion bro
@TronicSSJ076 ай бұрын
@@EJElijahwhat about Sonic = Shadow
@raptortown6 ай бұрын
Which one is sonic?
@lonelyonionagain.6 ай бұрын
@@raptortown The black one.
@ViltrumiteIsRite996 ай бұрын
Care to elaborate your take... like at all? Shadow's way cooler, and considerably stronger. (Until you include Frontiers combat moves) If you're talking character personality... explain.
@immortalgermanguy6 ай бұрын
i liked trip because she seemed different from the cliche "misguided bad guy turns good" trope we've seen quite a lot in Sonic. Trip just seems like a kid who knows this island so well the animals all trust her, but she's either forced to help eggman or is misguided that sonic and everyone else is evil. One thing is we see in the trio of trouble video that she cares about the animals and that she's conflicted when it comes to helping fang and eggman. Also, there's a bit of mystery because the helmet she wore was worn by some ancients so do with that what you will. It was fun to have her join in at the end although i wish we got to see her dragon form go against the giant dragon in the finale.
@UltraZelda646 ай бұрын
I was also pretty impressed at the thought and emotion, the overall feeling they put into the story through Trip. I like her. What's really sad is that no one seems to be able to understand Sonic stories these days unless, like you said, they're spoken to the player over dozens of paragraphs of spoken dialog and hours of video sequences pulling you out of the game to demand your attention. People are just dumb in the 2020s; I can't really put it any nicer than that.
@sugarsmile78526 ай бұрын
Fang works with eggman reminds me when he help Robotnik in STC shanazar arc
@greensoda1236 ай бұрын
The fact you got all of this from the pictures of the game is honestly very cool man the plot was right in front of us this entire time.
@MephilesGaming19836 ай бұрын
How much do you wanna bet that Big is from the Northstar Islands?
@taciturncreature39396 ай бұрын
I'm gonna wait until I've played the game myself before I watch this video
@SaddieMoon6 ай бұрын
Damn, I’m just watching the last segment of your video and I’m like “Wtf!? Went so hard with this character for no reason!❤”.
@heroicgangster99816 ай бұрын
i kinda just wish Trip is not stuck in a classic game where she and her own plot were stuck to silent storytelling. Overall, I kinda wish Sonic Superstars broken the mold more of what a classic game should be cuz IMO, a classic sonic game where only sonic is silent like how he is in Generations would actually be fine for me.
@missmarshmallow57756 ай бұрын
That could also be a great chance to re-introduce Fang. Maybe make them unlikely toxic duo. Fang abusing Trip yet he clearly cares about her enough to actually treat her more nicely, maybe work on himself and even get more humble, like in all relationships of this kind, the abuser will show compassion, either as a manipulation or genuine moment of self reflection towards victim reinforcing their belief that there is good in the abuser, thus staying with them. Maybe Trip's modern design will have a hoodie which she will cover her head with when she feels sfressed out.
@doctormodder6 ай бұрын
Trip is better than any Sonic character introduced in the 2010s by a HUGE MILE.
@bowmaj86664 ай бұрын
I like Trip too, but I think there's something that people need to come to terms with; she's not a Classic Sonic character! She's a new Sonic character who is being marketed as a Classic character. And this I don't really understand. I don't really agree with it because it's implying that the word Classic in the Sonic series has become nothing more than a marketing term. It no longer means "Characters and elements created between 1991 and 1998." It's become more "Characters with shorter, stockier appearences, and black eyes who don't talk!" Or basically "Not Modern, so therefore good!" I just don't agree with that. I know that she's still fairly new, but I find it kind of strange that a certain faction of the Sonic community, let's call them the "anti-Sonic community" (i.e. the Sonic haters and detractors and critics who think that dumping on Sonic makes them cool and funny), isn't unfairly lumping her in with the rest of the Sonic supporting cast and unfairly labeling her as "another stupid addition to Sonic's bajillion stupid friends!" Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that this ISN'T the case, I just find it strange that practically every time a new Sonic character is introduced, they inevitably get hated on, and yet Trip hasn't. It makes me wonder if people's attitude is "oh but that's cos she's a Classic Sonic character! A TRUE Sonic character! Not like those lame-o Modern characters like Shadow and Silver! Stupid emo, edge lords! Don't like 'em! Sega should just get rid of 'em and have Classic characters from now on!" It's one of the reasons I can't stand this Classic/Modern divide.
@Pariah69504 ай бұрын
Well, she is a classic character in the sense that Sega labels things as classic or modern, and they cannot exist in the other because branding. Trip will only ever exist in classic stuff.
@bowmaj86664 ай бұрын
@@Pariah6950 But that's just so limiting for this character. One of the things that always got me excited for new Sonic games was hearing what the characters sounded like, and it was cool to see more obscure characters like the Chaotix getting updated designs and voices. Many fans would love to see characters like Mighty, Ray, Fang, and even Trip get the same treatment, and it would allow for more character interactions. Imagine Shadow teaming up with Mighty, or Rouge battling Fang, or Cream making friends with Trip? Sounds awesome to me! But nope! Can't have that! We've got to separate these characters based on their eye colour! And all because a bunch of whiners complained about Sonic's damn eye colour in Sonic 4! Give me a break!
@bowmaj86663 ай бұрын
@@justice8718 The thing is, what's stopping Sega from "modernising" these characters? It's basically just giving them slightly longer proportions, coloured irises and an actual voice. It literally feels like the only thing that is stopping Sega from doing this is their fear of upsetting all of the whiney fan boys who complained about Sonic's darned eye colour in Sonic 4. I don't understand why this has become such a taboo subject when it comes to the Sonic series.
@bowmaj86663 ай бұрын
@@justice8718 How on earth is that limiting them? If anything, they're limiting them by basically saying "Right, these characters can't be in 3D, speak, or evolve beyond these 2D Classic games!" It's ridiculous!
@bowmaj86663 ай бұрын
@@justice8718 And this is the main problem with having a separate Classic series alongside a Modern series in the first place. Continuity-wise, every "New Classic game" (which in itself is an oxymoron, but I digress) must be set between the events of Sonic 3&K and Sonic Adventure. That's bound to cause issues within the established lore and continuity. Some fans want the Classic series to be entirely separate from the Modern series. Sorry, but who is that for? Other than Modern hating Classic purists who hate everything from Sonic Adventure onwards and absolutely despise "that ugly green eyed imposter Sonic!" (Trust me, these kinds of toxic fan boys do exist.) Also there's every possibility that Sega likely will keep characters like Mighty, Ray, Fang and Trip as Classic characters, and for no other reason than to appease these Modern haters who say things like "oh Sonic shouldn't talk! Sonic games shouldn't be about the story! Sonic stories need to be super basic, with no dialogue, and basically just be Sonic fights Robotnik, AND NOTHING ELSE!!!" Whenever I hear people saying stuff like that I always think "you do know that they could potentially do that with Modern Sonic, right?" Seriously, people can deny it all they want, but all of this Classic/Modern rigmarole is all purely based on Sonic's eye colour, and that's just sad. They could make a game with the same type of gameplay and momentum based physics as the original games and Mania, but feature the characters in their Modern designs. There is literally nothing that Classic Sonic can do that Modern Sonic can't.
@slateoffate98126 ай бұрын
Headcanon Related to the Bigger Story: The stone was a standalone power gem, like the Phantom Ruby, Warp Topaz, and etc. Whoever the bad guy used to be, they abused the stone's power and became what we see at the end of SuperStars. The Sungazers used the Chaos Emeralds to seal the Dragon back within the Onyx Stone(does it have an official name? I forgo). Then Eggman attempts that time rewind thing in Egg Fortress to turn back the clock on Northstar Island, unsealing the Dragon. He initially fails, only rewinding the Island back to its state at the start of the game. Then Fang and Egg Robo take charge, and THIS TIME, the Rewind succeeds. Super Sonic (and Golden Dragon in my au) defeat the villain and seal 'em back up in their own power source again.
@theofficialpocket6 ай бұрын
FINALLY SOMEONE RESPECTS SUPERSTARS RESPECTS MAN
@Stickboy321Go6 ай бұрын
Such an underrated game, hope people just get over the sonic mania 2 begging stuff and appreciate superstars
@thekeybladeninjaturtle73806 ай бұрын
Trip and Sage are two of the best Sonic characters to be introduced recently Not only are they equally adorable but they are actually interesting characters that fit into the Sonic universe and don't look like a bunch of Online Monster Pet Game rejects *ahem* Deadly Six *ahem*
@masudhasan706 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed Trip as a character, she's already among some of my favourite Sonic characters, and I did enjoy Superstars' story for the most part, but I do feel it leaned WAY too heavily on "show, don't tell" for its own good. Especially with the whole Black Dragon thing; it makes sense in context (and with a little bit of dot connecting), but if you take only the stuff in-game it just feels random and out of nowhere. Which, speaking of, it's a letdown Trip wasn't the one to fight the final boss dragon; even a Sonic/Trip duo would've sufficed. Would've been epic to see the two brawl out.
@skeeterdaviter77456 ай бұрын
Even though it was technically a flop, I hope we get another classic sonic game in a couple years and Trip isn’t left behind.
@chazzthehedgehog54956 ай бұрын
Trip also has Metal counterpart in this game, in the form of Metal Trip.
@mynamesurename80426 ай бұрын
I love Sonic Superstars story (outside the actual game)
@RobinRhombus26 ай бұрын
I talked about this earlier and yes I agree that Trip is the best in ages.
@guliverjham81486 ай бұрын
Trip looks like modern Amy with a helmet.
@taputrainer84636 ай бұрын
17:09 I hope someone finds that concept art of super sonic fighting that green dragon it looks like really cool artwork
@castform76 ай бұрын
You know what, I really agree with everything you've said here and learned a lot more about Trip's character than I thought I knew even though I still have a fair few problems with Superstars' story. Now Trip is a saint. She's a great actually well thought out character in Sonic's world and everything having to do with her I have no notes on. A character like her has been long missed. What I do have notes on is basically anything not having to do with them. Firstly, I don't like that the prequel media isn't just in the game. To be fair, this is petty since both are free but I've never liked the concept of going to external sources of media for more of a game's story that isn't in/with the game itself. Secondly any remaining Chaos Emeralds being in locked away in Golden Capital...for some reason. Yes, I know they're needed for Trip's big moment, but they are almost at the level of contrived that Tails bringing the real yellow emerald to the ARK for the sake of that awesome Eggman cutscene. Thirdly Eggman. What is he doing in this story? Yes, he is the bad guy and out for the Black Dragon but it never feels like it. Fang and Trip are more antagonizing Sonic than doing anything related to the Black Dragon and when we get to the Egg Fortress, Eggman built a machine that reverses time on the fortress...why? What does that have to do with anything? This is the last we see of Eggman for the entire rest of the game and he has taken zero steps to what's supposed to be his target. Finally the Black Dragon. This has to be the worst executed "big creature Eggman releases" plot in the series and that *includes* the Time Eater. Eggman doesn't even release it, we don't know how or why it's released. It just is and then is resealed by the stone Trip randomly uses by the end. This feels tacked on just for the sake of a Super Sonic boss fight. This is the story's climax and to me it feels like we could have literally not involved the Dragon whatsoever and actually would've been better. Think about it, what if the Chaos Emeralds were mystically drawn to the North Star Islands which leads Eggman to researching the islands and finding out about the large animals and the fact that the Emeralds have special powers exclusive to them, prompting him to go hunt for the emeralds and hire Fang. I feel like that would be a simpler but much more sound story all around which removes that terrible Super Sonic boss so one less boss to deal with. I know these 4 things lean more to the nitpick side but they come together to make me think the only thing the people making the story really thought about was Trip which is both a very good and kinda bad thing in my book.
@Pariah69506 ай бұрын
My guess is the idea was supposed to be that Eggman was trying to reverse time on the island to before the dragon was sealed away. But it's very unclear if that's the idea. As is how or if he even found the egg it was trapped in.
@seagullmoe6 ай бұрын
YES YES YOU MENTIONED THE DRAGON EGG FROM THE SONIC 3 MANUAL THAT'S PERFECT I ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
@SaddieMoon6 ай бұрын
6:16 Debating the manga is canon, while going along with the Fang comic and animation as canon, is just funny to me. What is this? Opposite Day for the Japanese series? /j
@CanaldoZenny6 ай бұрын
Wasn't the Superstars manga also wrote by Takashi Iizuka, the writer of Superstars?
@SaddieMoon6 ай бұрын
@@CanaldoZenny Idk, but it can still be non-canon and be written by the same writer. Maybe it can be seen as way to give the idea of the story across. Besides, to me, I feel like the Sonic series has been leaning towards the western side of things more for a while. And I prefer being able to get the canon story anyways, so I’d rather have the Fang comic and animation be canon either way.
@ZoomToMalware6 ай бұрын
that's because every other manga that adapted the game is not canon. they're promotional stories that tend to contradict the game's story in some way, for example sonic unleashed or generations mangas. this one is a bit of a different case as it was also written by iizuka, but it most likely is non-canon.
@elmark35506 ай бұрын
This will do great while we wait for the Eggman video
@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard326 ай бұрын
Honestly I can say she's like the _one_ compliment superstars has because she's genuinely a gold idea
@gamelordabd6 ай бұрын
I wish they actually put this information in the actual game. Game felt so rushed out. This trend of needing to read comics/manga and watching an animated short to get the full story for Sonic games is so dumb.
@Kiki-w4p3u5 ай бұрын
best MAINLINE new ager (I am in love with surge, whisper, and tangle's characters)
@lemon5000-tj6nv6 ай бұрын
not hard to achieve, trip and sage are probably the only new game characters made in the last decade that ppl care about
@jaba-_-6 ай бұрын
Welp in the comic there are a lot of GREAT characters that only appear in there, especially in IDW.
@miraclewillow16 ай бұрын
tbh one of my favorite parts is that she's girl AND gets to be cool in design and moveset with no joke or strings attached
@miraclewillow16 ай бұрын
oh now I love she has chronic anxiety and avoidance of conflict just like me fr
@yinshon5 ай бұрын
@@miraclewillow1 she's girlfailure representation in sonic imo