The Story of Thrall's Elemental Dysfunction [Lore]

[@Skollshorties]

I would've much preferred Thrall leading the likes of Anduin (who is struggling with the light in a same fashion) and also the rest of the Horde in a mentor-like role but here we are. Hopefully, Metzen cooks here.

[@miriamweller812]

You crybabies will always cry, no matter what. Whatever they give you, even if you cried for it before, you will just cry for the opposite instead. On top of that you (hopefully) play dumb and just don't understand things (hopefully) on puropse, to cry even more. It's so absurd and sad.

[@FlasKamel]

@@miriamweller812 They said what they'd prefer, that is not what crying sounds like. Calm down.

[@Skye4008]

@@miriamweller812 The one crying here seem to be you. Accept that people will have different opinions than you

[@Jello-n1z]

I'm hoping they go along with the attitude of the expansion cinematic (Thrall and Anduin) and not the beta cinematic. It seems to be saying that Thrall is having his own "war within" with the elements, but it could also be that the elements themselves are reacting to the influence of the void and not just rejecting Thrall. Not going to get my hopes up that they make it make sense, but one can always dream lol

[@Flummiification]

It actually seems a bit like they once again try for pointless symmetry between the factions and give the horde a powerstruggleilng leader as well

[@joshcal7370]

ED isn’t a joking matter. It’s something all orcs deal with from time to time and is nothing for Thrall to feel ashamed of. Putting more pressure on him isn’t going to help.

[@Heranara]

Happens to 1 in every 5 Shamen.

[@olliewithane6933]

The only thing I still wonder about: Why was thrall bald for that short time from WoD to legion?

[@cassiodalcin]

It was then that Metzen had his implant

[@antoniovictorHOP]

Thrall went bald mid Caraclysm most likely because he went to tender Azeroth so he balded himself to concentrate better on the elements kind like a monk

[@michaelfernandes4873]

I remember watching an interview where they said they gave him a receding hairline around this time because they wanted him to be more “human-like” and representative of metzen.

[@MALITH666]

My guy was in Turkey between Legion and end of BFA getting a top notch hair transplant.

[@Vertindex]

He knew the only way to match Garrosh was to become bald too.

[@thegrumpyraccoon]

Thrall ED is all according to the Jailor's plan.

[@GrimMelvin]

I don't hear this said often but... The Thrall vs. Garrosh mak'gora is a great cutscne. I would have much rather had Garrosh as a dungeon boss or even a raid boss again, but the cinematic was also enjoyable. Garrosh's voice acting completely sold me on the fact that he truly believed what he was saying-- that Thrall left him alone and basically dumped everything on him. It makes it sound like he's saying genuine words. Ofc, this only shows Garrosh's point od view, which doesn't have to be the objective truth. But I liked seein him show some genuine hurt emotion towards Thrall who was once a father-figure and now felt like abandoned him and doomed him to fail.

[@olsk0004]

Can't get the totem up.

[@Zachattack172]

"I think I'm done, shaman... It's the end of the tunnel for -- MAE TEH ANCESTARS WATCH OVER YUH"

[@Nickuh88]

it's VERY LIKELY that elements play a role in what defines a 'soul' and they just haven't gotten to that yet. everything that happened in SL was introductory--but horribly cut and unfinished. The take away is that the elements presented back in cata all represented an aspect of Thrall's emotions. An ongoing theme of every shaman quest and even DF--each element has a certain nature and when personified bleeds that quality. Fire is chaotic, spirited, confrontational. Earth is grounded, solid, intellectual. Water is comforting and healing...but sometimes cold. Basically the entire reason Fyrrak was an anarchist, Iridikron & neltharion were schemers, and Vyranoth gave Alexstrasza the 'cold shoulder'--but reconciled. Characters seem to be living metaphors in this world. The choreography in the cinematic leads us to believe that she sees what we are broken down, and apparently it's more than just 'elements of emotion' but rather at our core we have good and evil....light and void. It's clear that through war within they're going to explore this VERY on the nose metaphor for internal conflict--and reference Azeroth as well. That said, if SHE is a being with both light and void in her soul and composed of furious fire, unshakeable rock, flowing waters and storming skies--it's safe to say we do too, especially if we're shamans and in tune with those forces&emotions.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

The way you phrased this helped crystallise something I've been thinking about for my own setting. Thank you.

[@Corwin19]

Very insightful! I hadn’t thought about the elements in that way. So then what would air personify? My guess would be that air is proud, bold, fierce and dynamic. Notice in the trailer that air is missing in thralls meditation. It’s like he’s lost connection to it. And while trying to regain that connection, he loses focus with the other elements. Perhaps it is Thralls feelings of shame that blocks his connection to air. He failed the horde, he failed garrosh, and he lost the iconic doomhammer. That’s enough to cause anyone ED 😆

[@KamiPain75]

I burst out of laugh when I saw the notification title.

[@ozrhyel2234]

Great video! That title alone will get you clicks, jeezz crying laughing here lol!!!! Dang, seems the Horde can't take a break... as a Horde fan, its sad times to be Horde if you follow the story till now. My Alliance friends will lord this over me for years to come!! Elemental Dysfunction.... this is hilarious and gold parody at this point! I can even Blizz writers giggling at this joke!

[@Dannihilate]

He temp got hit powers back literally just so he could make those earth bridges in the raid, just like he did in the Legion pre-patch. He's the only main Horde leader who can make bridges during raids, so if there's to be parity with the Alliance's Jaina (who is also their only bridge-builder, so she also has job security) then he has to get his powers back.

[@stormstrider1990]

I don't think it's as much of Thrall personally struggling to connect this time, but the elements themselves being in turmoil. It might be connected to Azeroth herself sensing the impending doom, and the elements acting accordingly, in their own way.

[@badrinath5306]

For reference the elements were literally turned into void by garrosh and thrall could snap them out of it and still commune with them

[@ungulatemanalpha]

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Thrall got his elemental powers back in Torghast solely so they could do the ice bridge + rock bridge trick from the Broken Shore scenario again during the Sylvanas fight.

[@Flummiification]

ah maybe the were in a urne there

[@mokarokas-1727]

Ahh, it finally makes sense... It was just some temporary upgrade from an Anima orb! lol

[@kichoamn]

I could not care about lore wow anymore, but that title got me lmao

[@Magnetixx27]

love your lore content - pretty much got me back into WoW ! much love from germany and keep up the great work :)

[@OliDaChilla]

Man those subtitles were goaded, good job!

[@zonolith5912]

Was kinda hoping he'd be apart of the new trend where heroes change their classes to fit better with their new positions in life. I.E a warrior, proving to himself that Garrosh was wrong. I say new because Anduin was clearly a priest turned paladin to reflect his position as king and leader of the Alliance, like his father, a warrior.

[@DrinkingMud]

Look around you Aggra, this world is dying, I can't have limits "sure grandpa let's get you to bed"

[@mitchelljones4843]

Nobbel87! *insert objection gif* 8:06-ish: “…where Thrall did not get to hide and was dragged back into the story by Saurfang to see the old soldier expose Sylvanas…” Not only are you speaking ill of the dead; but you slander his good name with your lies! I know you’re a Team Sylvanas but the clip your showing at the time ends after killing the would be assassins with Thrall saying something to the effect of “they followed you here?!?!” And Saurfang replies with something to the effect of “no my friend, I followed them to you”. I feel it’s an important one to point out to the lore keeper is all! Appreciate the ability to stay connected to the story thanks to your channel. 👍

[@badrinath5306]

It's BOA. It was all according to the jailors plan to have sylvanus fail. What he means by saurfang didn't ler him hide is that thrall would have kept running if Saurfang hadn't told him to stop.

[@AvelineMelena]

I need to say that the subtitles are amazing

[@Thyraxion-ji3rl]

With hero classes, it allows shamans to have different aspects. Rather than just elements, they also have focus into totems and ancestors. Thrall never being to heavy into elements, but he was always into respecting ancestors. This makes me believe they will have him realize this and focus into what he always was.

[@austinspalding4745]

having him be a farseer just like he started as in warcraft 3 would be a great touch--plus, thanks to shadowlands (not common to thank shadowlands but here we are) he's actually met one of his ancestors, his mother draka

[@enfpscorpio7053]

You get a like just for the title for sure

[@Buildonsound]

The Closed captions: HIYAAA OFF TO REVENDRETH YOU GO GARRY! 😂

[@ASpaceOstrich]

I hope when he gets his mojo back, they have him dual wield whatever weapon he is using an elemental version of it in the other hand. Like the player Shaman did back in Legion with the Doomhammer. That would actually make the thing we did in Legion feel like a real ability someone in universe might have.

[@RrowdyBeast]

I sorta get that it's a Horde counter to Anduin and the Light; they needed something for folks that might not be fond of Anduin to follow, and Thrall perfectly fits the bill. Though the way the "stars" fell in the trailer, I wonder if they might do something crazy and kill him off or completely fall into darkness to give Anduin more reason to pick himself up; both are tied around what seems to be self-worth to reattain their respective powers so figure how much strife the Horde had went thru after Thrall made Garrosh Warchief might be a lot to take on Some major potential for character growth, fingers crossed~

[@Flummiification]

extra props for the subtitles of the duel

[@filipfenix]

For THE green jesus, Thrall has some bizzare issues with stuff most shamans and farseers have absolutely no issues with what so ever.

[@jessicahampton4581]

I love all you videos and audio short stories

[@AvelineMelena]

The worst part imo is, knowing blizz, they had no plans for an elemental disconnect storyline but after reading people saying Thrall cheated during the mak'gora, they made up one to go with it and couldn't resolve it, so they rushed it and are making it again because they lack inspiration

[@DarkMegaPlague]

I wished that Thrall could have met Doomhammer, Grom Hellscream, Cairne, Durotan and Draka in the Shadowlands and together they would have gone on an epic journey across shadowland where Thrall with his old Friends, Brothers and Mentors to find himselves again.

[@feywinterfox9630]

Me reading the title alone: "I don't know...don't they make pills for that now days?"

[@HanithSVK]

Hmm, it seemed to me that after all that torturing he underwent thanks to the Jailer, he may have forgiven himself... I mean sure, he let Garrosh down, but here he was, in the literal hell, being tortured senseless for god knows how long... Not to mention, that he was most likely tortured both physically and mentally. Something like showing him how he failed again and again and again, just to break him. That coupled with intensive physical torture may have given him a reason to work through his issues, though if this is true, it is shame they did it offscreen. I would love to see something like when Uther was reliving his memories with Kyrians. Or the cutscene where we would see how he did it.

[@Minerva_Sparkle]

That's one of the titles of all time.

[@donjezza10]

As the cherry atop the ice-cream that is the Horde's incompetence as a faction, they settled to become basically a league of nations. And anybody who actually knows the history of the real league of nations would mockingly laugh at this.

[@RC1039]

The political system of the EU might be a more appropriate comparison. The league of nations had a singular objective (peace) while the Horde deals with the whole political spectrum as a group.. in theory (always a few parties that go their own way or block decisions, which actually makes the comparison to the EU even more realistic)

[@Evil0tto]

I don't blame the Horde for choosing a different way. Their story has basically been Chief Hitler--->Reasonable Guy--->Chief Hitler--->Reasonable Guy--->Chief Hitler--->. That's not a cycle you can keep going with forever, because eventually your enemies are going to get really sick of your bullshit and utterly destroy you.

[@donjezza10]

@@Evil0tto Granted, The Chief Hitlers were responsible for the Horde at their most competent compared to times when they were led by Reasonable Guys. In latter situations, the Horde typically needed the Alliance and other outside groups to achieve their goals, while the more hated leaders were forces to be reckoned with by both the Alliance and the Horde that disagreed with them. Sylvanas only had half the horde on her side, and they openly admitted that she could still easily win against them both. To be honest, its matters like this that make me wonder why the Horde are even still a faction at all. If them being a faction wasn't made a permanent gameplay mechanic by WoW, I feel like the Horde might've collapsed ages ago.

[@Evil0tto]

@@donjezza10 Except that every single time the Chief Hitlers led the Horde into unwinnable wars. That's not competence. Consistently the Alliance is shown wanting peace (even with kings like Varian) while the Horde puts a madman in charge who commits atrocities. Eventually the Alliance shows up at the gates of Orgrimmar. It's not the Horde that shows up at the gates of Stormwind calling for the King's head. Of course Sylvanas would claim that... but it doesn't mean she was actually correct. The idea that she could "easily win" when outnumbered 3-1 is laughable. It's honestly like when actual Hitler was pushing around units on a map, thinking that victory could still be achieved when everything was collapsing around him. But you're correct that the only reason the Horde still exists is gameplay. There's never any real fallout for anything in the game. There can never be a total victory for either side.

[@donjezza10]

@@Evil0tto I do agree, but I would say the Alliance had much more staying power than the Horde do with their circumstances. The Horde are a ragtag group of opinionated misfits who have only worked together for barely three decades (and rather poorly while they did), but the Alliance has been around for multiple generations of both kings and kingdoms. The Alliance's methods and goals have remained consistent simply because they had over centuries to develop and evaluate them. Meanwhile, the Horde just pulls random resources together and makes impulsive decisions on what they can and can't do, regardless of what leader is leading them.

[@laertesindeed]

My hope for the Thrall part.......... is that maybe we'll find out that Iridikron has been interfering with the Earth magic of Azeroth on behalf of his void puppet-masters. And it will require Thrall going on a story campaign (with us, the player) to both locate Iridikron and also to defeat Iridikron in a raid. Yes, the first raid of the expansion will be a nerubian queen, but they could always do either the second raid of that expansion or the last raid of the WW expansion where we confront and destroy Iridikron. It could even be possible that as part of our confrontation with him, Iridikron unleashes some kind of dangerous Earth magic attack which makes large cracks and breaks in the entire planet..... so dangerous and harmful that we could rhetorically compare it to the Sundering or Shattering. And if the Sundering and Shattering counted as poetic little 'deaths' for Azeroth..... then this one could also poetically be called a 3rd death. At which point, Xal'atath will exploit that vulnerability so she can survive into the Midnight expansion and since the Titan World Soul itself will be exposed, the Void may consider this the hour of their coming; to fulfill that whisper. But then...... some pure speculation on my part; I'm hoping that maybe the planet cracking apart could also release the Hallowfall naaru crystal. And beyond that, maybe there were more buried Light crystals under other locations like under Ulduar, under Uldir, under Uldum, and so on. And so maybe those Light crystals could get free from their confinement, and recombine into a powerful Holy Light ship or weapon or entity. And maybe through the course of questing in Midnight we manage to activate and prepare that Holy Light ship/weapon/entity to either destroy Dimensius or forever push him out of our reality so he cannot be a threat to our world.

[@rvds2040]

if iridikron is somehow stronger than therazane, the literal elemental lord of earth, im gonna be upset

[@laertesindeed]

@@rvds2040 While I would prefer to have a story with your assuagement...... unfortunately the Dragonflight writers already showed that Fyrakk was more powerful than the Firelord of Azeroth, and Fyrakk was less powerful than Iridikron. So they have set a precedent of Iridikron being more powerful than Therazane.

[@ProgrQWow]

Let's not forget that fyrrak absorbed the power of the Firelord. Lore wise fyrrak was more powerful than iridikron, and probably became even more powerful with the shadow flame but iridikron was more cunning and he bested him. I could EASILY see iridikron becoming a lot more powerful and scary. He wants to destroy the titans after all.

[@laertesindeed]

@@ProgrQWow While I don't honestly care about the outcome, since as I previously said.... my sympathies are with the user that wishes Therazane were more valuable to the story...... I think I should push back a little more toward the neutral side when you contend that "lorewise fyrakk was more powerful". Because I'm not seeing any such lore that establishes this. The non-canon book outside the game does not confirm that, as it only contends that Fyrakk may have been the better hunter earlier in their past.....but that when they did whatever it was they did to become incarnates, it only goes so far as to say Fyrakk and Iridikron were equal at that time. And then Fyrakk felt resentful that Iridikron acted as if he was a leader of the group. But then back inside the game with the canon info, we also have the dialogue by Alexstrasza and Nozdormu saying that over the course of their dragon war Iridikron was the one with the hunger who made deals to become more powerful.... how powerful? They don't say. But given the schemes and trips and activities which we have seen Iridikron take part in on behalf of Void puppet-masters....we have every reason to believe that shadowflame isn't necessarily more powerful than what he has gained since they became incarnates. We could even suggest that if Iridikron didn't even have any interest in shadowflame power, perhaps he already has something greater. Regardless, the safer and more accurate lore is to say we're not sure who is more powerful yet. But sadly, as my original comment admits, we have every reason to believe Iridikron could probably not be stopped by Therazane.

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@laertesindeed You keep saying the tie-in books are non-canon, but they aren't. They are canon. The WoW team decides what is canon and what is not. Just accept it already. lol It does say something that Iridikron wouldn't show his face to Fyrakk after telling him to absorb the Shadowflame, something that made him SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than Vyranoth and thus quite possibly Iridikron as well. As for Iridikron not taking in the Shadowflame, it's made abundantly clear that he knew it would drive Fyrakk to madness and distract Azeroth's forces from interfering with his true purpose.

[@Zenryuk]

If think about it Thrall only started getting ED after getting with Aggra. Before he seem to have a thing for human women. Never had ED during that time.

[@jeffreyarnold2626]

it's a redemption arc. blizz likes these storylines. a conflicted main chtr. rediscovering purpose. bet on it, banshee will too in some manner, possibly the alleria content.

[@Evil0tto]

If I ever see Sylvanas again it'll be too soon. Enough of her.

[@HawkknightXC88]

I'm hoping this expansion Thrall gets back his Elemental Powers. So far there are some good promises throughout the expansion what I seen so far.

[@andreware2039]

The one thing I can hope from all of this, through the power of super mega hyper cope, is that the elements do not answer him because he doesn't need to beg for their power anymore. Turns out he could just use it whenever as his own power without the callings. His dysfunction being a misunderstanding of the power he possessed. But, again, this is super mega hyper cope on my part, so.... 😓

[@tnaxpw]

To be honest the thrall tww trailer scene only got me thinking of him reminding the Jaina booba from pre BFA

[@araposkulo]

I thought with Shadowlands that this Thrall sub-plot was at least some what resolved, but I guess not. This makes me wonder, where the hell is Drek'Thar. He used to be Thrall's shaman mentor and he also had a similar issue more than once (once abandoning the elements to become a warlock and once being abandoned by them for asking for revege or sth), yet he managed to come back from both. So if anyone could help Thrall, that would be Drek Thar.

[@Jandiss]

i still think that this Time, it's actually not Thrall that is the Problem, but the Elements, we killed another Firelord, we killed Fyrakk and Razegath, we did War on the Elements. But i also think the Elements are connected to Azeroth as much as they are their own Entities, and since Azeroth is once more in distress, the Elements are bound elsewhere and cannot Answer to Thralls call.

[@Ölorg3926]

Thrall was supposed to have a entire season in wod that would have expanded upon that very concept but it got cut

[@Lionelhutz-attorney-at-law]

Not trading post shark hat. 😂😂❤ Adventurer something happened... 😂😂 what is that on your head!?

[@Shiizi]

Just reading the title made me giggle :D

[@ErikWarhammer]

I take it, that it was due to Azaroth's world Soul being assailed by the void once again.

[@janodefenua4603]

"Nerf shamans even More" Probabbly someone from Wow team.

[@WildSpiritsCoaching]

Dang you, now I've got to go and listen to ETC xD

[@Sir_PinkPirate]

I'm pretty sure they just forgot that Thrall had lost his elemental powers while writing him for SL.

[@geekygengar5467]

Anybody else notice Thrall sometimes has a septum ring and sometimes doesn't?

[@D34DF41L]

Thought of this given Thrall's story in both: given WoDs and SLs underwhelming plot and content cycle, it's ironic that the two times that Blizzard attempts to go interplaner with the lore are the two expansions most critically panned for bad/weird storylines

[@DEML91]

I always thought that the elements abandoned Thrall because he cheated by using them during the mak'gora against Garrosh , in mak'gora you can only use the weapon you have in hand , it makes more sense even for the story now since the elements might feel that he is still not worthy to have full access to their power.

[@Wodferd]

There are no rules against magic in Mak'gora, that's a misconception from the movie. The only rule about a combatants allowed arsenal is that both warriors agree on what is allowed before the fight.

[@ZanathKariashi]

@@Wodferd it also didn't use any of the proper procedures for a Mak'gora so it wasn't official to begin with. Also the elements explicitly state in-game they don't give a shit about such human concepts, the ONLY thing that was hindering Thrall from hearing them was his own doubts and troubled spirit. I.e. THRALL felt he had done wrong with Garrosh, either in how it ended or the guilt over the truths in his Garrosh's words (we don't know exactly which, though Thrall convinces himself it was a dishonorable mak'gora). Similar to the Light, you HAVE to have conviction to properly wield the elements but also need peace and balance within to keep the elemental forces in check, since they are complementary and contradictory, working against and with each other, and they need to be properly controlled to be able to wield them correctly. That's why whenever the world elements become imbalanced it creates all manner of problems, the same happens on a micro scale within every Shaman that tries to wield their powers or hear their words. Thrall lost his peace and certainty but his time in Torgast did allow him plenty of soul searching and he did begin to find peace with himself which is why he could somewhat wield the elements again, just not at the level he used to be able to. And is still full conflict over all that has happened thus far.

[@JustaLuni]

All the faults of the Horde happened because orc Jesus had to go and find himself. It could have been great but we got mediocre and its such a letdown.

[@Jubikus]

i assumed that the last time it was a him issue connecting with the elements and this time around its the elements with the issue

[@fionaburns4210]

so are all shaman mains cause blizz hates the class

[@maniek2207]

Why Elements on Draenor they didn't want to lend their power to a corrupted being, but on Azeroth they did?

[@Kenji-117]

Fun fact: The elemental disfunction is so loreaccurate Blizzard outright refuses to Rework and Improve shamans for TWW (unlike any other class)

[@Styder111]

Simplest explanation: Shadowlands never happened

[@aster4jaden]

My favourite explanation.

[@ungulatemanalpha]

In the TWW intro, the jump-cut from the Chamber of Heart to the center of Dalaran surrounded by the Pillars of Creation from Legion really does feel like a bizarre backpedal on all but the most surface-level events of BfA and Shadowlands

[@miriamweller812]

So everything in WoW never happened, because it is ONE story an when you take a part out of it, you cancel it completey and second: your disgusting crybabies cry about everything, hate everything so of course nothing should have ever happened, so you would cheer for that, too, wasting your life to spit on A GAME you clearly hate while it controls your very thoughts, likely with the constant pain, that you are too dumb to understand even a piece of fiction.

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@ungulatemanalpha It's just representative illusions of the Pillars though, right? Because just half-way through Legion they were placed in the Tomb of Sargeras... And then the Naga stole one in BfA because apparently we just left them there with no guard. lol

[@HawkknightXC88]

If only if it was retconned and fixed...

[@danielmatei4590]

Does the purple lady at the end of the video holds the dragon soul ? She might be doing naughty things to it and that's why Thrall is so upset .

[@Flummiification]

that story turned out a lot shorter than i thought. I wasn't playing for mop wan wod and thought it would have been a bit more than you describe here. i think it is viable to pick it up again but they should make pretty clear how the shadowlands stuff was meant or retcon it propperly. I don't want this to hang over the whole story arc like "werent you just abel to use the elements a few years ago?" 'yes' "and now you dont?" 'Yes' "and why is that?" 'yes'....

[@18Krieger]

I still wonder how the Elements will hear one when in the Shadowlands.

[@sblinder1978]

Sounds like Thrall needs some "mail enhancement" if you know what I mean

[@Sufian12341]

How would Thrall connect to the elements in Shadowlands (an afterlife). Never saw evidence of elements existing in that plane.

[@RatelRegalement]

He's not done great on appointing leaders.. Put Garry in charge.. Put Vol'jin in charge which led direct to Sylvanas, kept Gallywix as goblin leader...

[@ThomasHolbrookII]

I am thinking Iridikron is interfering with his connection to the elements.

[@NetherCrafterSMC]

Honestly like that they are redoing this part of his story, because the Shadowlands version was barely a story

[@matthewbreen1951]

They're going to use Azeroth as the Plot Device to get his powers back.

[@veronikamajerova4564]

You mean like they used Amidrassil to get the Aspects their powers back? No way they would do it twice in a row! /s

[@ZanathKariashi]

@@veronikamajerova4564 please it's not a wow plot if they don't repeat it 5 times with a slightly different shade of paint each time.

[@Subject_Keter]

Blizzard: Thrall relearnt the Elements in Shadowlands. *Fanbase is building a mortar Blizzard: Shame Thrall cant control them Elements? *Fanbase cheers

[@marcarkoberger4797]

10/10 title

[@RafaelOSilva-de5td]

I'm happy to ignore everything that happen in Shadowlands :)

[@stevenrusch6341]

Does anyone wonder whether Thrall will get the Doomhammer back?

[@KagroshTV]

Thrall simply needs to man up.

[@mokarokas-1727]

Oh sure, elemental dysfunction is cured by "having the right attitude", just like in the real world... lol

[@greenelf444]

I feel like thrall never reconnected with the elements in shadowlands cause the elements come from the world and the shadowlands had no world it was a place of death atleast that’s how they explained it at blizzcon with anima being everything and not mana, so with their being no mana why would there be elements, the stuff he used in shadowlands imo was not the elements but anima his own life force to free himself

[@JJ-qm8xg]

Im just salty he and garrosh didnt interact with each other in the dormazain fight. That was a big let down.

[@anodyne4670]

Personally, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I've always seen Thrall as a bottom.

[@badrinath5306]

Omg i took 12 comments abt it to realize the title. Damn. Personally i never liked what they did with Garrosh. Stonetalon was the right direction but they messed it up. Worse the allaince copy paste called Varian who was literally a Thrall turned into a Garrosh didnt have to become a villan. Its just the worse anti horde beeps blizzard made. Then they have doomhammer to a dwarf. And then they had to repeat MOP too with BOA. Then they made thrall a void servant. Still figuring out what the beeps they were on when u consider jaina was literally his counterpart but wasnt involved. I just hate what they did to thrall. I just loved his charector back in wc3 and everything they did starting with the fact that u can kill thrall in vanilla to what they have done now, i just feel someone who hates Metzen is trying to run him out of the VA role too.

[@DarkApostleNoek]

He's using the wrong Totem there, that's the Orc's vanilla Totem. But really doing this story again I hate it, just make it a vision of the Elements dying or something.

[@GingerLampacher]

WoW lore fans are going to be sensitive to this kind of repetition I think. We've just had it so many times, and BfA and SL were kind of hard proof that Blizzard is very capable of recycling to the point of nausea.

[@freshfavorites7212]

Good ol legion. 3.4 million healing 😆 🤣

[@TheRockingChar]

One in ten men, Thrall.

[@Johan_Steffensen]

Nice

[@natey2290]

yea idk ill always feel a certain type of way for Thrall cheating in a Mak gora, a honorable 1v1 duel based off strength that even garrosh followed on, just for thrall to use the elements/magic to cheat and literally lightning bolt a guy looking for a fist fight...

[@ShadowKingRecks]

This is the point Thrall lost all my respect, Garrosh wasn't wrong about what he said. Thrall knew he wasn't ready to lead but he just tossed it apon Garrosh anyway and then cheated during the Mak gora....Yeah thrall did fail the Horde and Garrosh and we need to see him face that fact and deal with it finally.

[@paniago82]

the fakt that thrall is wearing armor but garrosh ist not also annoyed the hell out of me

[@rvds2040]

well you know, he didnt cheat, so wtf are you talking about ?

[@apacalypsagon3758]

@@rvds2040 even if he didn't cheat he lost a lot of respect for not going mano y mano. Were supposed to believe he has the moral high ground when he essentially set garrosh up to fail?

[@Amplifymagic]

Mak’gora is actually not a fist fight, it’s a duel that they agree upon.

[@Q8Bart]

Thrall Trolled by the Elements 😉

[@apacalypsagon3758]

By the way did thrall really need to leave? He was already a shaman in warcraft 3 so i don't think he learned anything that he couldn't do then. And now all that "training" he did that never really amounted to anything substantial went down the drain when he killed garrosh? All I'm saying is that if thrall was just honest with us and said he ditched the horde so he could get laid i think we'd have less of a problem with him. Instead it's framed as this mission from on high.And more grandiose that what they'd like us to believe

[@mokarokas-1727]

He was never a great shaman before, so during the Shattering he traveled to Nagrand to learn more and Aggra was miles ahead of him. Actually, it was Aggra who convinced him to stop being warchief, since he would not be able to fully commit himself to both. He needed to be a full-on master shaman to save the world. I'm not saying it's good writing, I'm just explaining the canon reason.

[@apacalypsagon3758]

​@@mokarokas-1727He could summon out of his hammer. What more could he want at that point. He was the greatest shaman to everyone who mattered at that time.All this "spirit journey" nonsense that never amounted to much in the grand scheme of things. Now they have to play into how these moments were more important than what they actually were so they don't lose face.

[@alexandruv.3390]

I hope they don't go the route that the elements (who are chaotic by nature and as unrelated to honour as possible) give 2 sh*ts about a random tradition made up by orcs. Thrall having a mental block over dishonourably killing a genocidal nutjob is also a stupid take.

[@Sufian12341]

Is magic allowed in a Mak'Gorah? or did Thrall did not care?

[@Kufell]

Combatants set the rules of a Mak'gora. Use of magic is not inherantly against the rules of Mak'gora unless specified.

[@WhataboutBingo]

So Thrall has ED…

[@TheGismono]

Why is it, that blizzard are rehashing old story like that? And do it badly at that. It's not as if it was a slam dunk story in the first place, and was thrown away fast anyway.

[@nicolaspeter1679]

Did you really need to add googlie eyes?

[@ZanathKariashi]

entirely necessary

[@nicolaspeter1679]

@@ZanathKariashi feels clickbaity

[@otakuju]

Love thrall but he cheated in his duel against garrosh and that's most likely what's weighing on his conscience.

[@Mexican00b]

honestly, i havent followed the game lore since legion... stopped caring right there

[@KogaSagara]

and ppls say that denuser wrote right! XD

[@chaoshunting5659]

Ngl thrall should have died when varian did . How many times is green Jesus gonna come back.

[@tyki110]

i thought trall lost the elements because he cheated the mok'gura

[@coppervic]

I've always wondered, how exactly did he cheat? If a Shaman can't use his powers is a warrior not suppose to use his melee skills?

[@hulkhogan9704]

because he had internal struggles based on the decisions he made, eventho garrosh and his friends advised him not do decide the way he ultimately did he basically lost his confidence rather than being punished for cheating in a mak'gora

[@Ceber300]

@@coppervic As far as I know, rage bar's okay but mana use is a no go

[@joeschmoe5063]

@@coppervic the whole point of mak gora is that no magic or anything not directly related to physical strength (e.g. poison weapons) is allowed. Thrall followed the rules initially but when he was losing he broke the rules and zapped Garry down. It was implied during the shaman legion quests (enh shaman) thaf Thrall lost his connection at some point as a result of killing Garry.

[@laertesindeed]

@@coppervic Magic use is strictly prohibited. It is in the literal rules for a mak'gora. That is also why the warcraft movie had a confrontation between Durotan and Gul'dan where Gul'dan used fel magic to win and the orcs watching him called him a cheater.

[@54032Zepol]

Lol thrall has ED

[@wmv8996]

*Elementile Dysfunction

[@Spamkromite]

"Elemental dysfunction" the title made me crack up 🤣 But yeah, Thrall doesn't deserve the powers after using them in a hand to hand combat Mak'gora.

[@cultistofdarkness1661]

Garrosh did nothing wrong

[@bnpictureperfect]

Garosh did nothing wrong ;)