The Story of Bwonsamdi (and the Loa) [Lore]

Hello everyone! The Loa Bwonsamdi has been a shining star during the Horde story so much so that a lot of you asked me to talk about this story. To do that, we’ll have to dive way into the past and talk a little bit about Vol’jin...I hope you’ll enjoy ^_^
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[@DeeJayLilStack]

I remember one time I died as a mage, I tried to blink away and Bwonsamdi literally said; "Dat blink didnt get ya very far, did it?" Bwosamdi you are such a smartass

[@harrietbowles1153]

This happened to me the other day and I was ANGRY, but in a good way lol. Had to text like three different people that I just got roasted by some zeros and ones in a fictional video game.

[@bobthedestroyer6205]

For my hunter, he said "ya be tryin' to feign death, mon? Tsk. Oh no no no..." or something like that. These references are fckin awesome dude

[@Kairos_Akuma]

@@bobthedestroyer6205 For Priests he basically says if you ever want to worship something else..to just give him a call xD

[@Mediados]

@@Kairos_Akuma I love it so much that they gave Bwonsamdi all these class-specific lines. Makes his character feel so much more alive in comparison to others.

[@okandoguhanaslaner8863]

What's really cool is about Bwosamdi, he actually has a special line for each class. Demon hunter: "Something about ya seem off...Ah, da stench of a demon hunter." Druid: "Ya not be dreaming now, mon." Death knight: "Ah, a death knight. Ya should come see MY death gate!" Hunter: "Ya be tryin' ta feign death, mon? Shame..." Mage: "Dat blink didn't get ya very far, did it?" Monk: "Hah! Ya didn't roll out of dat one." Paladin: "I think ya followed da wrong light, mon." Priest: "Oh, a priest! If ya ever consider a change of faith, you be sure to let old Bwonsamdi know, ya hear?" Rogue: "Ya can't be hidin' from Bwonsamdi, little ting." Shaman: "Oh, da spirits with with ya now, mon." Warlock: "Awww, did ya lose your little shiny soulstone, eh?" Warrior: "All that armor...didn't help ya much, did it?"

[@naquan59]

The warrior one makes me really think how the hell do warriors compete with the other classes?

[@novauncensored4633]

I love the demon hunter one.

[@charleswinters9567]

What does he mean by ''wrong light''?

[@Meckro]

Charles Winters it might be referring to the saying “light at the end of the tunnel”

[@DarkApostleNoek]

really nice.

[@probablyanoldgod320]

I really hope Bwomsamdi doesn't turn up being an Old God minion. I'll be so sad ):

[@tri1937]

If he was an old god minion I don’t think he would’ve helped us murder ghuun

[@moonrazor2039]

With how Blizzard treats Horde-alinged characters that aren't 100% goodies, probably. >.>

[@poochyboi]

@@tri1937 why not? G'huun is an abomination. Created by the titan watchers from old god expirements. It wouldn't be hard to see why the old gods would hate it too

[@shadyseeker9080]

Dick Piano We already know the N'zoth Via the Nazjatar were aiding Zul, and G'huun. So that isn't the case.

[@dustinwheat4096]

I don’t think he serves an old god but rather something we haven’t seen yet. N’zoth does have some influence over the dead supposedly but it would make Azshara seem like such a lesser character if she were just one of many god-tier powerhouses. I believe he, helya, and maybe even Azshara if she’s playing N’zoth for a fool are serving something on a near similar power level as the old gods but much more subtle. It could even be what sylvanas is really afraid of

[@CallMeNoa]

I like the idea that Bwonsamdi's boss is Xibala, Rezan's mother. She is described with decay sounding powers, and when you kill a spirit at Xibala's bones it says "I go to Xibala..." She is also named after the Mayan underworld. It better not be an Old God. That's such a lazy copout. We need less things connected to Old Gods, there's way too much tied to them already.

[@Electru522]

Considering what Ghuun is, being both connected and not connected to the Old Gods, I think Blizzard are aware of this. He is not a product of the Old Gods, but of the Titans essentially making an Old God themselves accidentally. So, I'm fairly certain that Bwonsamdi's boss is not an Old God.

[@Vinzenzx]

+Elector522 i agree, i hope the boss of Bwonsamdi is a complete new character

[@TheBEstAltair]

What Old Gods, there are no Old Gods in this expansion, it's about a faction war remember? :D

[@HavocHounds1988]

If it's not Xibala, then I hope it's Argus.

[@HavocHounds1988]

Lol

[@manfreddefonce6636]

I love Bwansamdi, he reminds me of a lot of my older friends & relatives from the Caribbean with his humor & "trolling" lol. I also love how Blizzard made the Troll race a reflection of the African Diaspora.

[@161patox]

The pure horror on Rastakhan's face when Bwonsamdi puts his hand on his shoulder, it's amazing.

[@xPepe1310]

I am so happy Vol Jin is back ! Please be a Loa ! My Warchief and now my loa

[@JamesW609]

Best character in bfa so far

[@JamesW609]

@meh moi I apologize for my heresy

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

You mean Jani, right?

[@NikGushue]

I want to just clarify a few things about real life voodoo, but I'll just clarify what's in this video. Baron Samedi is a loa of the Ghede family in Lousisana Voodoo, as well as Haitian vodou. Yes there is a difference, both connected to the history of those places. Voodoo/vodou has a lot of negative connotations, but that mostly stems from propaganda and assimilation techniques to try and destroy African worship in Americas. That's actually why he's called Baron Samedi, as he is associated with Saturday and the French word for Saturday is Samedi. This is also why there tends to be catholic imagery used in real world voodoo, as the exchange of worshiping saints as their gods in exchange for keeping their beliefs alive.

[@Michael_Raymond]

Nobbel you're a boss and an invaluable help to people like me who love the lore but just can't process it all themselves.

[@Vintagegaston]

If Senjin really did become a Loa, then perhaps that was the soul he lost long ago. And if this boss was not happy about one Darkspear becoming a Loa on his watch, then how would he feel about two?

[@ravager48]

"He's got friends on the other side."

[@kingkmtso5107]

De other side

[@zoltanlako4716]

Nice video. Now we know that his boss was Muehl’zala. But as he says in the dungeon after defeating his boss. He is the bossmon now!❤️

[@danielhannestad3883]

I hope you read this nobbel, your videos is da shit, i love em and you explain lore in an entertaining and understandable way. KEEP GOING! Btw i’d love a video on grand apothecary putress, I really dont know any of his backstory, how did he become the grand apothecary? Who was he before he died?

[@kelmacett2456]

Didnt it feel like Bwomsamdi KNEW Rezan was going to be killed? When he says "..I will see ya in good time". He is gifting Rastakhan back to Rezan and knows Rezan will take Rastakahns place in the very near future.

[@AnyMe223]

26:52 Every Loa makes bargains, not just Bwonsamdi. They are not benefactors, or friends of the ones who use their powers, they just provide a service in exchange for some kind of payment, and that's why Shrivallah, Hi'reek and I suppose Nalorakk, were completely pissed at Gonk when he taught their Primalists/Priests/Witch Doctors who to become druids. Every new Darkspear Druid meant one less Witch Doctor doing their biding

[@stumpe9662]

i love Bwondsamdi being the spirit healer, best char this expac and im an ally

[@Caedus696]

Makes sense for Bwonsamdi to be the one that set Sylvanas up as the Warchief. In shadows of the horde, when Vol'jin is interacting with him and having visions, Bwonsamdi urged vol'jin and was excited about one of the possible futures where he became warchief and lead the Horde as conquerors of azeroth, sparking endless war and bringing countless souls into Bwonsamdi's care. I would say that Sylvanas is doing a pretty good job of that so far.

[@kw951]

From what the void told Alleria about Sylvanas, it sounds like death and the void are opposed to each other. So I'm guessing he is gonna help us against some old Gods.

[@kylebutler9865]

Well, she is undead. She isn't about the peace of death, or ending. Undeath seems to be a counter force to death, a breaking of the cycle. Maybe undeath could be a way for the Naaru to avoid going void? Who knows. The lore is a bit fuzzy here.

[@DarkApostleNoek]

I think death/undeath clears corruption or replaces it depending on how you look at it, Sally Whitemane suffered the SC madness of the Nathrezim in which case the Burning Legion but when brought back as a Deathknight she is cured.

[@cappecfh]

As I understand it, the void can't corrupt undeads and that is why the voidlords fear Sylvanas. Remember the Scourge was created by the Burning Legion, presumably to fight the Void. And Sylvanas forsaken is pretty much what remains of the Scourge that we know of since we haven't heard much from Bolvar.

[@matthewolson2386]

Bwonsamdi is a quite the character with certain appeal in the lore. There is so much pointing to death and the Old Gods here, especially N'zoth. Can't wait to see how far they take this, and all the juicy bits of lore, as you pointed out, come to light. Keep up the great videos.

[@AnyMe223]

27:47 There's also Samedi, another Loa inspired by Baron Samedi, Loa of the Grave (though Rezan calls that to Bwonsamdi, so Samedi might have been retconned), with the same basic domain as Bwonsamdi. There's also Mueh'zala, Loa of the dead among the Farraki trolls (there's even a shrine to him in Tal'Farrak, in Zuldazar). I'm betting on a new entity, on the same status as Elune (a fully god, not a demi-god as the Wild Gods or Elemental Lords are)

[@presdehart]

Wow the Horde story line looks so good!

[@greyworld6242]

Bwomsandi is best loa! Shadowman should’ve made a deal with him. lol

[@kw951]

What about my boi Kragwa?

[@tex4096]

Kristian W Jani FTW

[@prod7906]

Honestly all races should conform to troll culture or be killed.

[@MrBern-ex3wq]

I stand against the theory of N'zoth being Bwonsamdi's master, because then why would N'zoth allow Bwonsamdi to oppose G'huun in the first place? The Old Gods want their Black Empire back, to rule Azeroth and corrupt her titan soul. Working against one of their own kind seems counter productive. You ask me, it could be Xibala, the T-rex described as Rezan's mother, and so what could be the Loa of all Loa, and so "The Boss" Maybe Nobbel's Sen'Jin theory is possible. Or perhaps its the answer as to the spirituality of the trolls in Shadows of the Horde. So far all Loa have been animals of sorts. Bwonsamdi seems to be the only Loa that looks like a troll. What if "The Boss" is the First Loa, and he's also a troll, perhaps the Loa that brought the Trolls to existence. (Remember that we don't know how the Troll race came to be in the first place. They aren't fleshified Titan constructs like Dwarves, or descendants of giant creatures like the Orcs.). And of course it can be the ultimate manifestation of Death. The Death equivalent of Naaru or Void Lords. I just hope that if this is the case, they don't make Death the ultimate villain because: 1. That would just be too short-sighted. Death is not some ultimate evil, its just an aspect of nature, meant to keep Life in check. Hell is something that awaits you after Death, not Death itself, so to say. 2. Would be kind of boring, since how Death is something that can never be defeated, we'd end up facing off against it for all eternity.

[@andreware2039]

G'huun is an artikificial creation by the titans. He's iin noo way connected to the other Old Gods. They were created directly by the void. G'huun is just some experiment. I doubt any of the true Old Gods would even care about it at all unless it is being used by them (or Just N'zoth) as a distraction. Other than that, N'zoth would be plausable, but, we shall see.

[@Vsn24]

Also G'huun loves undead which Bwonsamdi and the old gods hate. You can't take the soal of an undead and they can't be void corrupted.

[@fidly4]

Maybe the old gods would work together in present day if it seemed like the only way to corrupt the titan soul, but back in the black empire days they actually waged war against each other all the time just to decide who would get to corrupt the soul. I feel like there's a better source for this but the only one I remember is that Xal'atath has some quotes about it. That said, I do HOPE he isn't a servant of N'zoth.

[@cooltv2776]

the old gods are not allies to each other, they probably wouldnt want any of the others gaining power if it can be avoided. im interested what they think of g'huun, assuming they even know about him

[@TheBEstAltair]

+Andre Ware, G'huun is not an Old God per se, he is an artificial being born of the Old God's pure desire to corrupt, other than that and him being created by the Titan keepers in research of Old Gods, he is not connected to them. +Mr. Bern, I think i heard that Bwonsamdi is not a Troll, something about him being older than Trolls, and instead is just taking their form, since they are his primary worshipers(dunno if any non-trolls even worship Loas...) Probably his boss is another being not yet introduced, the primal aspect of Death, and both Bwonsamdi and Helya work for him, since they both seem to have a similar purpose.(Bwon's "Other Side" and Helya's Helheim, both collecting souls...)

[@pinstripe5487]

Mueh’zala is revealed to be Bwonsamdi’s boss in Shadowlands, but all of you know that by now. He’s also the Loa who set Sylvanas as Warchief.

[@Piromysl359]

I bet he loves apples. If you know what I mean.

[@CharxGaming]

you reckon it's cause apples keeps doctors away and he's a god of death?

[@recksonkhiangte1488]

@@CharxGaming It's a death note reference I believe.

[@CharxGaming]

@@recksonkhiangte1488 it's gonna blow your mind to know ryuk from deathnote is also a god of death

[@NuckleBebop]

lol i got Ryuk vibes too xD

[@sugmael]

everybody's making death note references and i'm just sat here thinking about how much bwonsamdi reminds me of james woods's hades

[@shirojaki2063]

Yogg-Saron's quote "Your petty quarrels only make me stronger!" has haunted me to this day.. I KNEW that this war and everything to do with it is just making every Old God stronger, more powerful and maybe even return from their prisons.. remember his death lines aswel, "Your fate is sealed! The end of days is finally upon you and all who inhabit this miserable little seedling! /then Old God gibberish that does have meaning.." I would like to see Yogg-Saron and C'Thun back honestly, I thought we only pushed them back into their prisons by killing their physical manifestations and didn't outright kill them? Because killing an Old God is probably just as bad as letting one loose.

[@RockyTorres43]

Someone working for the Old Gods giving power to Sylvanas would be very odd considering how much the Void wants her dead in Alleria's whispers.

[@MeandMonkeyLP]

We do not really know if it is the Void that wants her dead or just Alleria herself in a way. Maybe she is "imagining" the Whispers telling her to kill Sylvanas because she hates her

[@Knokkelman]

22:37 Love how Talanji casually apologizes for the whole thunder king resurrection to gain world domination plot... A bit like saying "you know, this Hitler dude seemed like he had some good ideas at the time"

[@jonmaciel]

I like the idea of his boss being Mueh'zala. It's the only loa from the Tablet of Theka in Zul'Farrak that we haven't seen yet. Kimbul and Shadra are the other two mentioned on the tablet. The Travelers book does well to show how evil he is - wouldn't surprise me that Bwonsamdi would be afraid of him.

[@sarahrussell2983]

I think the last spirit Bwonsamdi lost before Vol'jin was Sen'jin. There's speculation that Sen'jin ascended to being a loa, and now there's speculation that Vol'jin became a loa as well. Loa could be out of Bwonsamdi's domain, since loa don't 'die' in the sense that mortals do. Like wild gods, most 'dead' loas' souls just rest on a different plain from the physical until they are summoned back. However, there seems to be permadeath for loa whose essence/power are consumed.

[@Kuuribro]

Bwonsamdi has the spirit of Torga, in Nazmir. Loa are definitely still under his domain, when they die.

[@CallMeNoa]

@@Kuuribro He doesn't have Torga's spirit, he just let's us talk to Torga. Toga got reborn.

[@Kuuribro]

He *had* Torga's spirit. If he didn't have it, why would we have to talk to him in the first place to be able to communicate with Torga? Torga was under Bwonsamdi's care, and Bwonsamdi called Torga back from the other side to talk with us after we gave him something. Torga's reincarnation was not a guarantee, if we hadn't intervened he wouldn't have been reincarnated. And he would have stayed under Bwonsamdi's care.

[@zzmr_stretchzz8772]

Kuuribro youiterally said it he called him back that doesn’t mean he has or had him

[@Kuuribro]

Bwonsamdi literally says "you bring me da soul of *another* loa, then I get you Torga's spirit". Another as in, he already has one - Torga. Don't get nitpicky about word choices, there is literally nothing about that quest to suggest the Loa exists in some special immune-to-bwonsamdi status. Everything about it on its face suggests Bwonsamdi has Torga in death.

[@jaratt85]

just FYI Nobbel Haitian is pronounced Hey-shen. Btw they actually changed the quest text since early beta.. in late beta it no longer had a limit of souls you give to Bwonsamdi. Instead of saying a million, it just says something like "You'll keep me favor and I'll help you out, so long as you keep sending me souls." The problem with the deal Bwonsamdi makes with Rastakhan is it's actually easily broken.. "all those that succeed you" all Talanji has to do is not succeed him to the throne of Zandalar and the deal is broken.. So she can just hook up with Rokahn and become queen of the Darkspear instead of Zandalar and the pact is broken. :D

[@cowboy3xk]

The Darkspear also follow Bwonsamdi. Just saying.

[@jaratt85]

BUT by not following him to rule Zandalar then the line of succession would be broken and they'd be free from the deal. Gotta learn how to read between the lines..

[@bloodydove5718]

Or looking at deals at face value and following the letter of the law. This is how Fey work, saying jive like "I will not kill you" doesnt mean they wont have someone else do it in their stead

[@jaratt85]

jive? did we just pop back to the 20's?

[@bloodydove5718]

nope, to the 70's and 80's

[@EJ_Red]

Oh, is this the new Deathnote series? Oh nevermind, just Bwonsomdi...

[@HeliosKafar]

Now all we need is a troll that eats potato chips.

[@TheSuperRatt]

Rastakhan definitely screwed Talanji with the deal he made with Bwonsamdi...

[@Laura_Darkspear]

I need a bumper sticker that says “Bwonsamdi is my copilot”

[@Ashley-the-fox]

Same

[@fleperd7021]

probably my favorite character in the whole game rn

[@AnyMe223]

Neither Bwonsamdi, nor any other Loa, is in tandem with the Old Gods. Loa need the living to go on, and specially Bwonsamdi, he needs people to continue killing each other, and being born again. He cannot claim Old Gods's "souls." The Dark Empire coming back would only make him weaker in the long term

[@DustGamezX]

Bwomsamdi has become my favourite character currently, he is too damn enjoyable and entertaining.

[@milenasoloduhina1726]

He seems like a perfect amalgamation of Ryuk and Dr. Facilier. with a dash of Hades... or is it just me? :D

[@cynicalnitro8416]

I feel like there's gonna be a war between Bwonsamdi and Helya for Sylvannys

[@serge2cool]

Looks to be Bwomsamdi is tied closely to the Shadowlands. It's been in Alpha and probably Beta. I believe this was a setup for next expansion, and it's one I do very much look forward to! Shadowlands and Bwomsamdi are a perfect connection in terms of thematics and that.

[@invoke4937]

WTB Shadowhunter class for the horde and perheps Tide Sages for the alliance

[@theesamnightingale2474]

I feel like tide sages would be a narrow class. they could be Healer/Dps class.

[@Archember]

Adorabeezle Winterpop Wouldn’t that just be a Shaman?

[@eagercadet4059]

Watching the video shows you how much the writing has changed or is now under a different writer, before BFA he was more solem and serious and also sincere. In BFA he is lighthearted, joking and scheming, it's not just the voice actor, the loa's character has been changed

[@Mediados]

Honestly everything about Troll culture is somehow very comforting and happy. You can choose your Loa to guide your path and follow your dreams, and even death only means that you meet your old friend Bwonsamdi as he brings you over to your ancestors.

[@cameronsmith508]

I love the group you’re with in that video😂😂😂 RPG to the max

[@nameofthegame9664]

“Ya can't be hidin' from Bwonsamdi, little ting, no”

[@beemer9108]

I would love a speculation video on what Loa Vol'jin will be and who Bwonsamdi works for. I can't really put my finger on either of them, but I love the idea that Vol'jin will be a Loa. Also, the potential for the "boss" of Bwonsamdi to be any of the old gods or the titans is sooooo cool. Personally, I think since we already dealt with the titans that it will be an old god that Bwonsamdi "works" for., I just don't know who. It would parley into the future pretty well, though, because it could introduce a new one of the old gods. Then if we have Bwonsamdi withhold his spirits in order to weaken that god so we can vanquish it, that would be quite awesome. This all makes me sooo excited for the future.

[@matt5842]

Man I love the storytelling in this expansion. Especially all the troll stuff, Bwonsamdi is so cool. Also I bethes gonna be a raid boss one day.

[@garygood6804]

i haven't watched any of your vids since cata. nice work as always.

[@robertthomas2565]

I love Bwonsamdi my new favorite character he's great maybe my favorite of all time

[@theintern2960]

I suspect that death as a theme is going to play a bigger part in whatever expansion comes next. Between this, the peeks we see of the realm of the dead Thros, and of the implication that Lich King Bolvar Fordragon is doing something in the background suggests that something big is coming.

[@Stormy_Coyote]

Bwonsamdi is awesome, but I can't help but laugh at a dream I had about him a while back. In my dream, I was sitting on a couch in some study like room, with a bookshelf full of old looking books. There was an old, 90's looking non-HD TV on a wooden table. Playing on the TV was Bwonsamdi being interviewed on some late night talk show. In it, he was saying how he would sit on the floor with his legs behind his head and hold his breath until he was light headed and blue in the face. Then he would get up and strut around while flapping his arms and clucking like a chicken. He went on to explain something like: "Dis technique enhances de natural powers already bestowed upon Bwonsamdi."

[@gentlemandog4985]

I wish I Jani could be my Loa, maybe even learn if she works with Grifta or not Ps. Happy to see Grifta doing well after legion.

[@vidyamancer7135]

She? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@edwardness7497]

she has 213M health, something very suss with that :D

[@mrbaaltheevilgoat9924]

arthas says the same thing as the king of zuldur: i have taken Care of everything

[@marque9535]

Jani = best loa

[@MrDESTROYER99]

My IRL name is Jani lol

[@BakaReviews]

he is by far the most standout and best character in this expansion in my personal opinion and i just fucking love his personality and just everything about him.

[@DvBattlegears]

Bwomsandi power has been confirmed the power to jump really high...

[@Crownsnek]

It buffs heroic leap making it so that there's always a path available

[@naquan59]

That pink rapters quests are the main reason why didn't pick zuldazar to quest in fire @ 0:04.

[@CoconutChia]

he is the best, I enjoyed playing BFA wonderful story telling. Not to mention De other side dungeon in SL.

[@ghaulirontusk5800]

I think it would be cool if voljin becomes the new loan of Kings or maybe he becomes the loa of the horde.

[@Wbfuhn]

His character grew on me. I had no idea he was a chill and humorous dude in almost every way. He is a bit of a perv though.

[@nulllex0099]

Alright why, oh fucking why, is taking Vol'jin's ashes up to the grand temple of kings better, than the time he was warchief?! I've always had a soft spot for trolls, I've always like the Dark Spear, especially the time of the Darkspear Rebellion, it was absolutely glorious! And all the talk about the book, I just wonder, why couldn't we see Vol'jin act like a great warchief during all the time he lead? That cinematic I saw where his spirit is right there with Talanji better indicate he has in fact become a Loa, because Vol'jin had so much more to give before dying like that! Also, the first parts of this video really, really make me wish there was such a thing as race-specific classes. Just imagining what it'd be like to be a Shadow Hunter troll, I can only dream. The tale of the Loa is still fascinating as a whole. I just wish we were told some more, on how exactly the Wild-God-like Loa diverged from THAT side of the wilds that the Wild Gods belong to. Like, with the War of the Ancients and all the allies Malorne had and Freya made, we never hear about the likes of Rezan for example. Just what exactly made these Loa different from the Wild Gods. It's a bit like the August Celestials, or at least I think so. Last I heard they were the same kind of existance as a Wild God, but what made them whatever they are, and why only those four? Lastly, I'll forever be disappointed in Rastakhan's final confrontation with Zul. He paid his entire bloodline for fuck's sake! Is a powerful melee attack all he can do?! When he didn't even secure ANY benefits for his descendants? Sorry, dislike.

[@novakins4205]

I love Bwonsamdi. So. Friggin. Much. "Won't ya shake a poor sinnah's hand?"

[@deusroycexiii1183]

I believe bwonsamdi is the first troll on Azeroth, as they are the oldest known race originating possibly from the old gods themselves or a devolved form of one of the creatures they had given birth too, which would explain there affinity with death and could possibly connect there racials and flesh status nicely, as we know only the old gods give life to flesh, and Aggramar with the orcs. A parallel story could be said with the case of the grond and the orcs on draenor that the titan had put in place regarding them devolving also. There seems to be no natural life on planets without having a creator, titan or old god that we have seen except the elementals and demons I think. Which are essentially natural eternal forces which the titans then subdue, order and Imprison because it contradicts the light. Which explained why the trolls made Sylvanas war chief, and I believe bwonsamdi is a case much like Ashara was offered a second chance to rule the afterlife for mortals under serving the old gods.

[@onewingedluffy]

While i don't know who Bwonsamdis boss could be i think Vol jin may become the new Loa of death at the end of this expansion. That way the Zandalar will be bound to him, which seems a lot less worse than being bound to Bwonsamdi.

[@TheDevbear]

Bwonsamdi was the redeeming point of BFA. Something about him also gives off Disney's version of Hades from the animated Hercules 😅

[@nymri8537]

If what you're doing(in the end of the vid) is considered "rambling" by all means Nobbel87, ramble on till your hearts 100% content!!!! I love your videos and all your what if's!!!! :)

[@killeralx2007]

@Nobbel87 it is not the old gods and nzoth who influence bownsamdi this is wrong point of view here; it is the god of death : MUEH’ZALA as bowmsandi says : The boss ain`t gonna like this? there is only 1 other god of death in the shadowlands > its also based on the traveler spiral path the new book that blizz released as well > where Mueh`zala is the god of death also the one that gave odyn the eye to see the spirit world to choose his strongest spirit warrior(its also a reference to the Norse mythology into wow)> it is also the one that everyone forgot and is also presented in the tablets in vanila , in odyn , and its his revenge bc back then we killed those troll > and 2 loa were dead and we see them in Voldun alive kimbul and shandra which proves that a God of death revived them > a.k.a "The God of death" ; "Father of Sleep" ; "Son of Time" ; "The Night`s Friend". Mueh`zala has no body his form is always shifting, his shadow melting from one shape to another(this is bowmsamdi boss)> It also comes to conlcusion the prophecy that Velen foretold and quote: *Anduin will be the bridge between Light& Dark*( atm anduin only controls the power of light he has no knowledge of dark magic atm but something tells us the shadow god will have something involve to do that to change anduin in the future anduin that Velen showed us)And so far velen prophecy has always come true.It starts to make sence from the Wod and Legion expansion lore mixing into this one. In this lore bowmsandi is sort of a caretaker of the dead in this story(in the book he is refereed as death just death) but mueh`zala is more then that and also has reference to Xibala(blizz gave us all those pointers its very obvious).And blizz have covered him more then once in the game lore and book we just forgot about it and starts to make sense (we also have helya that warned odyn about using the power of spirits and shadowlands back then and the 3headed hydra loa *forgot its name*that we fight in helya realm as well) it all comesback to Mueh`zala the god of death (and ingame is like bowmsandi boss , while in the book seems more of a associate with bowmsamdi ).Old gods will have to wait and Nzoth too probably on the next expansion since Nzoth is always using others to fight againts one another and the god of death is a key factor here also voljin spirit.

[@JellicleCat09]

Don't really see why Zandalar would turn into a wasteland because of Bwonsamdi. The Darkspear revered him, and the Echo Isles were pretty nice. Also he seems to mostly want spirits; the best way for him to get spirits would surely be to help Zandalar prosper. More power and wealth for the living = more baby trolls = more spirits to come to ole Bwonsamdi in the end.

[@gupgipmoon]

Get me in here nobbel I’ve been waiting for this one my man

[@aegoni6176]

Hey nobbel! have u checked on bolvar the new lich king and the death knight classes since the legion expansion? u will be surprised! im telling u cz ur the best one to tell lores and stuffs cz i suck

[@dornthememe7455]

Vol'jins voice brought back so many memories

[@drm316]

This hit me so hard in the feels man. Blizzard did such an awesome job by even deciding to honor Vol'jin and to the extent of taking him to where all troll kings rest and even more, possibly making him a Loa. I wonder what he be de Loa of? Loa of Execution perhaps? Mainly cause he did execute Zalazane. Or better yet, De Loa of Da Horde?

[@mikloskallai7870]

I would love the idea of having Void Lords equivalents of everything but I don't think Naarus are void lord level, I would say that they are closer to old gods. Their maker could be someone like Elune for example but that would open up questions about what or who is behind Titans or Wild Gods or the Burning Legion(or in this case only demons who existed before Sargeras). Anyway I would love to recieve a kind of explanation in the future about the creation of WoW's universe (or Blizzard's if they want to make all of their games coexist in the same universe but that would open up a whole lot of more question for example about xel'nagas) maybe being something like the 6 "elements" came into existence and had a clash or something and that was when the universe came to exist and then went into seperate corners of the universe and each created a World there, for example the void realm or the Twisting Nether (if disorder had a being behind it).

[@chestnut4860]

17:19 He just becomes slightly more buff. I died.

[@Raytexifire]

I personally think it is hakkar the soulflayer who are Bwonsamdi's boss. He is still out there which was confirmed in cataclysm, so it would make sense as he is one of the more frightening loa there is.

[@Jonjon13Jonjon13]

Isn't Hakkar kinda serving G'huun now? How could then Bwonsamdi be serving Hakkar, and still resist G'huun and despise all the blood trolls' practices?

[@matnelen4235]

BFA ending - Bwonsamdi redeems Sylvanas, She takes back Azshara's highborne (insert playable highborne), and Nathanos takes over undead.

[@lolosh99]

I know nathanos is undead but after the ritual he did is he... Bang-able ? 😂

[@surv_val]

@@lolosh99 he better be

[@tomaspils]

We were talking about who is he serving and we found Mueh'zala, seems like rly powerful loa with titles like Death and God of death, hes from zul farak, and apperently There is a shrine to Mueh'zala in Tal'farrak in Zuldazar

[@drakiesaiko]

really hoping you can do the story leading up to Uldir next, because as Alliance we have no clue what we're doing there

[@richardvelezjr5978]

or the bald jailer guy has a iq of 1000 and outsmarts all these villians lol

[@sugmael]

they are _so_ building up a big bad on the side of death and i'm living for it. think about sylvanas and bwonsamdi - they serve the same master, knowingly or not, it'd make perfect sense for bwonsamdi to swindle sylvi to a position of greater power, even if there is no prior interaction between the two

[@danielleoooo]

HEK HEK HEK HEK

[@joycelemvillafuerte7759]

I know where Blizzard got the name Tyrathan Khort from. I think it’s from a place in Lord of the Rings named Cirith Unggol. The first time I heard Gandalf say it, I also thought he said Tyrathan Khort but apparently it’s Cirith Unggol.

[@Killsnygg]

I haven't been too active in the wow lore recently, but it just hit me; when Vol'jin died and was about to announce the new warchief, he said something like "the loa speaks a name, many will not understand", maybe it was Bwonsamdi who said to Vol'jin to make Sylvanas warchief? Since he's the Loa of death, he'll probably like Sylvanas since she's (un)dead

[@arcyllisanaspergersgamer2367]

Hey, Nobbel. I am aware that this is unrelated to the video, but it’s the only way I can think of to contact ya. I have two suggestions for videos that you can do. The first: a video speculation on potential future stories that could bring Vol’jin back to the living. I know how much you disliked how they disposed of Vol’jin, and I think it’d be a fun project to see you and maybe other youtubers as well speculate on how he may return. The second is a request for a video that I looked for on KZbin and searched on the web for, but to no avail. I am curious if you would be interested in making a voice acted machinima or at least writing a story on what would’ve been different had Kael’Thas not begun to use fel magic.

[@vincenzopaollogrieco9385]

At the same time Bwonsamdi don´t like undead because something that is undead can´t have his soul claimed, so considering eventually Sylvanas is going to try to turn everone into undead would be a problem for old Bwonsamdi, and the same can be said for the Old god and the void lords So is something that can change the theory of Bwonsamdi wanted Slyvanas as warchief

[@DanielAlvarez-he9jq]

How do you keep predicting stuff?? 2 years later we get a whole expansion based on the after life.

[@SlumdoggVII]

It still pissed me off Vul Jin just gets stabbed ny a faceless demon and just flmg dies! They give Wrynn this big cinematic bad ass death And Vul Jin gets stabbed....

[@naychur]

Freaking awesome! We share the same last name!!

[@Jaebird88]

I think the most important question that should be asked is who is the Loa of Life? If Bwonsamdi is for death, then surely he has a counterpart that could possibly throw a wrench in his or his boss's schemes.

[@Jonjon13Jonjon13]

maybe the loa of life itself is the boss he talks about... :o

[@Jaebird88]

That can make for a good twist. We've seen just how not-so-pleasant an embodiment of the Light can be.

[@Jonjon13Jonjon13]

Yeah, I doubt it would finally be that, but who knows, it's fun to entertain that idea :)

[@Jaebird88]

For sure. Honestly, it would be a twist for the sake of it, and would make less sense in some ways.

[@Jonjon13Jonjon13]

In some way, life and death are not opposed as in warring eachother, they are opposed in the sense that if you're not alive, you're (usually, see: Undeath) dead... so life and death are not enemies, but just different parts of a cycle of nature. I think it could be that some god of death is actually working together with some kind of force for life, too. It'll probably be something else, though, but I don't find the idea so farfetched.

[@vladimirseven777]

There is some mess in lore. Void lords created old gods and they whispering to Alleria to kill Sylvanas because they scared. So Sylvanas enemy of old gods, it can't be N'Zoth behind that.

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

They whisper to Alleria to kill Sylvanas because they want everyone to kill each other and turn to madness. They don't want people cooperating and making alliances. There's no hidden meaning behind that.

[@MegaHelloKitty4]

World of Warcraft: Clash of the Sisters confirmed

[@masteroffmuppets666]

Don't think that's the case. If it was Vereesa, that vengeful bitch, I'd sort of understand. She really does despise anything to do with the Horde including Sylvanas, but Alleria can't really hate Sylvanas that much in order for the void to push her that way that much. It would make more sense if they whispered murder, destroy or something like that which is a more general expression and less Sylvanas oriented. I feel it's as the OP says, not sure though, you never really know until they make it official. xD

[@Nhylus]

14:25 sounds a lot like the drums that play during N'zoth's bits in the Azshara cinematic

[@GoforKrogh]

Perhaps the "Loa" whispering to Vol'jin in his final moments was an old god in disguise telling him to put Sylvannas in charge just for the shear caos

[@Lorlic1138]

Fun fact, he's supposed to be a cross of Ryuk from Death Note and The Shadow Man from The Princess and the Frog.

[@demonbob901]

I would like to see a story about Nathanos Blightcaller next :D

[@alistairknightsly440]

yo so like i was doing the unlock quest to have zandalari and in the final part where all the loa are as you leave zul jin is there but vanishes shortly after he comes into frame

[@FatalHog]

"BWOMSAMDI! I HAVE COME TO BARGAIN"

[@funkyxii8496]

This guy is the best thing to come out of BFA fight me

[@jovanstojanoski3274]

Yogg-Saron: I am the lucid dream...the monster in your nightmares...the fiend of a thousand faces! Cower before my true form! BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH!

[@qugo8158]

Can you do the story of Gortuk in Drustar and what the blighted lands are?