The Strange Fate of Alfred Loewenstein

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On July 4th, 1928 the third richest man in the world, Alfred Loewenstein boarded his plane to fly to his home country of Belgium. However, he would never make it home and seemed to vanish from the plane mid flight. With nobody seeing or hearing anything.
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[@Cadaber]

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[@kingcactus9194]

im good

[@LL-tr5et]

how about no

[@Ken.Cartier]

@@LL-tr5et lmao

[@gliple]

I'ma download it to support u and then delete it lol

[@Feedsyourminds]

Get them money bags you deserve it my man😊

[@Yogfan1997]

I saw the thumbnail and thought that LEMMiNO posted a new video lol

[@shreyashzade2379]

Similar art style!!

[@malte2483]

🤣

[@kidofsteel0362]

Yo so did I lmao. It looks just like that super simplistic art style he uses

[@kimw5199]

Same

[@SkoomaCat]

🥲

[@raabinhood731]

The fact that the six passengers of that plane all had extremely similar accounts of what happened makes me think that they can conspired together beforehand.

[@imaplant2868]

Dont be so Antisemetic

[@NerdRivera]

@@imaplant2868 Person: says nothing related to Jews... I'm a plant: DoN't Be AnTiSeMiTiC

[@rbmedia8798]

@@imaplant2868 you ok?

[@cryamistellimek9184]

@@imaplant2868 My guy do you mean pessimistic?

[@NerdRivera]

@@miyu1424 factual

[@phieee8352]

So my theory was always right, you CAN get sucked into an aeroplane toilet and fall out of the plane

[@npickle54]

I've never thought about this before but now I feel like I'll remember this for the rest of my life

[@pissiole5654]

The entrance door of the plane was open and flapping in the wind when they opened the door to the toilet, not sure how he managed to miss that little detail. Some sceptics might say it does make the story sound a lot more mysterious

[@GeekRaj]

It doesnt take a Sherlock to solve this case he was clearly murdered by the people on the plane.

[@rullmourn1142]

@@pissiole5654 ..pffftttt, no it wasn't.

[@vangoghsseveredear]

@@pissiole5654 dude what lol That's not how doors on planes work, the air pressure would be way too high. You couldn't open a door on a plane with hinges if you wanted to

[@panqueque445]

Assuming that door was the only way to exit the plane, he had to have fallen through it. Even if the door had been tampered with to somehow make it easier to open, they would've still heard it close afterwards. The only thing that makes sense is that the people in the plane were all in on it. If the door was really that loud, unless they were all black out drunk, they would've heard it slam back close.

[@brandiccustos1654]

Possibly. Though it was already started that the engines were so loud that the pilot couldn't hear them shouting for help. So it's possible carry over sound could make something like that a bit less noticable or possibly dismissed as just "plane sounds."

[@panqueque445]

@@brandiccustos1654 That's the thing that kept holding me up. If the engine was so loud that the pilot couldn't hear the screaming, it's possible that the people in the back couldn't have heard the door shut. But when they tested it mid flight they said the door closing was still really loud despite the engine.

[@threezpz]

They were most definitely aware. Usually Cadaber is very thorough but I think he left out some pretty important details/theories. 1. Drew and Baxter were the only ones to speak publicly on the matter. All publicly available first-hand accounts came from them. 2. Baxter claimed the exit door was not secured and “flapping in the wind”. (Not possible due to the slipstream and the spring loaded latch.) 3. Both men were careful to state how easily the door could be opened by accident, which was of course proven wrong. 4. Drew could’ve landed at 2 other airstrips that were closer and safer options for an emergency landing. 5. They instead landed on what Drew assumed was an abandoned beach, but turned out to be a beach used for military training. It took the military men more than 6 minutes to get within view of the plane after it stopped. At which point all passengers were outside. (It’s theorized that a replacement exit door could have been attached in this time). 6. A fisherman in the English channel claimed to have seen a “small parachute shaped” object falling from the sky at the same time and location the plane would have been over the channel. The description apparently matched that of what could have been the planes exit door.

[@hampelmann5804]

@@threezpz Idk bro that seems like a really far stretch; because if someone had randomly bought a replacement exit door from the plane company (without actually needing one) that would have been surely noticed by the plane manufacturer

[@creativedesignation7880]

There is no way to tamper with that door to make it easier to open. The reason the door (and any door that leads out of any plane) was so hard to open had nothing to do with the door itself, but with the windspeed and resulting pressure from outside. There is no way to tamper with a door to reduce the influence of the windspeed on a moving plane, short of removing the entire door and part of the wall next to it and completely replacing it with a sliding door. I am guessing such a rebuilding would have been noticed even in that pretty shallow investigation.

[@lucasandrade234]

theory: there was a bug on the simulation and he clipped through the wall of the airplane.

[@rocksteadyska6933]

Bethesda built the plane

[@mothmanisthebest7404]

Or his character file was deleted

[@ShadowWizard123]

Maybe he's stuck in the Backrooms.

[@Marquis-Sade]

But the body should have fallen to the ground, or did he also clipp through there?

[@Marquis-Sade]

@@ShadowWizard123 Ah yes, the backrooms. Nice creepypasta.

[@CaptainTimeStories]

This is a perfect Sherlock Holmes plot.

[@playinetgames]

"Sherlock Holmes and the Strange Fate of Alfred Loewenstein." New game by Frogwares coming soon!

[@_SamC_]

Screams John le carré

[@bohemianbum6082]

I could definitely make a story out of this

[@rullmourn1142]

or Hercule Poirot, Lowenstein was Belgian.

[@OffRampTourist]

@@rullmourn1142 exactly. I keep hearing his voice through the video.

[@mayoite160]

"if this is the first time you've heard of raid shadow legends"... now *that* would be a truly bizarre mystery

[@darrylday30]

I’m a pilot, aircraft mechanic and sky diver. Opening your car door at high speed is difficult. Opening at low speed is easy. Testing showed that it was impossible for one person to open the door and highly improbable that two could manage the task. However, the author does not mention at what speed the testing was accomplished. Retarding the throttles to idle, entering a shallow descent, sideslipping and decreasing the airspeed to minimum would make it significantly easier to open the door. I know this because I’ve done it many times and so has every other pilot who has had to open a door and chuck something out. I’d bet $50 bucks that if you slowed that plane down, you could get the door open enough to do the deed. I’d love to try it. I wonder if there’s any old Fokkers like this one still airworthy.

[@Nderak]

amazing perspective. A part of me has tiny bit of doubt towards the company's experiements, obviously they dont want to end as the maker of a dangerous aircraft.

[@darrylday30]

@@Nderak Most of the aircraft I fly have doors that can be opened in flight. Some can be flown with the doors off completely. These are perfectly safe, modern aircraft, fully certified to fly with doors off. There’s nothing particularly dangerous about them. I don’t think Fokker was concerned about the safety reputation of their aircraft. Their interests would be best served by just doing the test as accurately as possible. However, what I do find highly suspicious is the claim that the door “made a very loud slam when the door was closed”. You’re not going to hear the door slam at 100 mph any more than you would in your car at 100mph. The only thing you’re going to hear is wind noise and engine noise. It sounds like someone is making something up or misquoting the test results. I’d love to see the original written report from the Fokker mechanics. I’d still bet $50 bucks that the passenger could not get out at cruise speed even if he wanted to. Another $50 says the crew could have forced his body out by slowing the aircraft etc.

[@Nderak]

oops i missed that bit

[@darrylday30]

@@Nderak No problem. Thanks for posting. I’m actually amazed that anyone even noticed. I was just writing to organize my thoughts. I’m so glad you found them interesting.

[@TheMightyZwom]

@@darrylday30 It is very interesting! I know nothing about aircraft, so hearing the opinion from someone with a lot of experience is obviously a good addition to the content of the video! All in all I also think the crew have done it. That would solve all the problems the other theories have. Of course one can't be 100% sure, but I'd say that does sound most realistic.

[@LKRaider]

_Lowenstein didn’t kill himself!_

[@lukasgestrine]

Someone see if he had any connections to the Clintons

[@brucebaxter6923]

Thanks Obama

[@riyo.38]

Underrated comment

[@TheREDRUM720]

This channel is already similar to Lemmino, and just now I was scrolling on YT, saw the thumbnail, and was like “hell yeah, a new Lemmino vid.” Not disappointed because Cadaber is awesome too, just fooled me is all lol.

[@ShamrockFreddyGamer]

The Exact Same Thing Happened To Me ._.

[@DanteSech]

Same xd

[@WobblesandBean]

The thumbnail was obviously in his style. Everyone's trying to be Lemmino now.

[@bestbi3587]

Me too haha

[@noodlezz7545]

Same thing here!

[@tropezando]

"My boss has been in the bathroom for ten minutes, better go check on him" SUS nobody willingly walks into someone's shit cloud

[@SwedePotato314]

EXACTLY. And most definitely not your boss's shit cloud. Sketch as hell.

[@Brian-nw2bn]

I literally lost my shit when I read this comment. Bravo miss well done

[@wonwookisses]

LMAOOO i'm crying at this comment 💀💀 what on earth made you think of "shit cloud"?? brilliant

[@TheBigCberry]

This man has effectively solved this mystery Take the video down

[@chrisw6164]

You underestimate how loud those planes were. And it had THREE motors, with the two on the sides being just a few feet from the cabin area. The pilot was not the only person near an engine. Plus, reading is fine with loud noise, as long as it’s white noise, such as two massively loud aircraft engines on either side of you.

[@joey9041]

Yeah but it was proven one person could only get the door open a max 3 inches so either way there needed to be at least 2 people opening the door…

[@rattoota]

If was a gangster hit on him they would have just taken the entire plane down, seeing as a crash would be less suspicious than a man just flat out disappearing midflight.

[@Lucas51397]

Title says "Alfred Lowenstein" Cadaber calls him "Arthur" (5:11) and then "Albert" (5:41) within 30 seconds of each other. 😂

[@CodeineAbdulJabbar]

I had to make sure somebody else caught that 😂😂

[@UNUSUALUSERNAME220]

Yeah. I actually asked myself, "What's this dudes name?" I know ol' boy doesn't sleep much, so I just give him a thumbs up and hope he gets some sleep.

[@TeamCGS2005]

At the beginning of the video 1:43 I'm sure he also says 'Rage Shadow Legends' and then immediately says "Raid"...

[@willissudweeks1050]

Thanks for pointing that out it gave me a good laugh for some reason.

[@Kujien]

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[@JonSnowIII]

Remember that one time when someone from Raid said that they had never paid any KZbinr to put Raid in their video, but the KZbinrs just do it cause they love the game so much. lmao, literally nobody with any discernible standard loves Raid.

[@declaniii6324]

It pays their bills so if I keep getting free content I tolerate ads

[@clementinethedrone5161]

@@declaniii6324 tolerate? dont tell me you're actually watching them instead of skipping them with 1 click/key

[@WobblesandBean]

Right?? It's disheartening to see Cadaber stoop to that level.

[@WobblesandBean]

@@declaniii6324 Many times now, Cadaber has been caught promoting fake or very harmful products and ad campaigns. Once is a mistake, but this is the third time. You'd think he'd learn to do his research before agreeing to promote this garbage. RSL is a highly predatory game made by a company who lies about its marketing to a laughable degree, trying to convince people they're not the scammers they actually are. You know you can't trust the integrity of any youtuber who accepts a sponsorship from them. It's bottom tier level stuff.

[@MontySlython]

@@WobblesandBean bruh, its how he makes money. Begrudging him for accepting sponsors is really low, especially when nothing he's promoted is harmful.

[@user-ht4ii1wi6u]

The running away is easy. It's the leaving that's hard.

[@evedoespersonalhell]

BADBADNOTGOOD 🐋

[@show._bug]

[adultswim]

[@Gojeto346]

[as]

[@boi6002]

Time moves slow

[@kjp-sy8uf]

I thought it was "it's the living that's hard"

[@proffesseurevil]

The most logical solution would be his staff killing him for emotional or financial reasons. I am actually shocked that the officials just went with "Yeah sure he fell out" rather than to arrest everyone remotely involved for first degree murder!

[@shockdartbique8991]

someone on that plane is lying, i think that's really the only way, and it makes sense.

[@y2kona]

there is one imposer among us im sorry

[@RisingRevengeance]

I'd assume it was all of them except maybe the pilot. The man was insanely rich so they might've had a good way to claim some of it.

[@smoot9069]

The first irl among us game

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@RisingRevengeance I don’t see what they would have had to gain unless they hated the guy or were being paid by someone equally as rich…

[@shockdartbique8991]

@asper what

[@49metal]

The narrator failed to realize the plane was a trimotor. The noise in the cabin would have been tremendous and there is no reason to think they would reliably hear a door slam. The ONLY real issue is whether the door could be opened enough in the slipstream for him to exit. The wind resistance on the door would vary with speed and attitude of the plane. The tests run by Fokker were being run by FOKKER who had no interest in telling the world that their planes were dangerous. Moreover, the test was run by people who did NOT WANT to fall out of the plane, a determined individual in possibly different flight conditions might have been able to work their way out realistically enough. It seems very probable that Loewenstein could have leveraged the door open far enough to slip out and after his last limbs made it out the the door it would have been mostly closed against them before slamming several inches shut. Noisy but hardly competitive with the racket of three big radial engines. Compared to all the wild conspiracies, it's a pretty likely scenario.

[@dannahbanana11235]

Underrated comment. Everyone needs to understand this to get the whole picture.

[@Peter-gq4ww]

I still don't understand why he'd do that himself though, maybe the other passengers would benefit from his death and threw him out

[@HW-sw5gb]

The thing is the door to the bathroom also acted as the divider section door to save space. If the bathroom door was closed on discovery, that means the people in the plane would’ve felt the wind when the back door opened.

[@HeyLeFay]

@@Peter-gq4ww A pilot further up in the comment section mentions that they've opened plane doors during a flight to chuck something out. If the place was slowed down he could've opened the door to throw something out, get some air, throw up, or maybe even pee out the door(lol), and fallen out accidentally.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

If I were to do such a test, no matter the time period, I would tie myself to the plane. Nowadays obviously with a modern rope and/or parachute, but even during these times they had ropes. Sure, you might get injured, perhaps even severely once the rope ends, but those weren't times where you throw bodies out of planes to see what happens to them, and a fall of a dozen meters stopped by a properly harnessed rope would surely be better than going from flight altitude to the ground. Now if he indeed went out by himself and everyone told the truth, and they couldn't hear the door slam shut, why would the 3rd richest person on the planet do that.

[@yesssint7243]

Ugh… isn’t it *obvious*!? Clearly he fell out of the aircraft because he accidentally got caught on one of the lavatory corners, causing him to glitch out and phase through the floor

[@DocBree13]

🤦🏽‍♀️ can’t believe I didn’t figure that out

[@flashpone7910]

Just wanna say, all these claims of "People close to him said he would never take his own life." to two different men's deaths in this video is such a dumb thing people say all the time in cases like these. People can be suffering suicidal depression for years and just be good at hiding it. It happens all the time. I'm not saying either of the men definitely killed themselves, but just taking their families/friends word that they would never do that isn't right. The only person to truly know what is going on in their head is those men themselves.

[@novic329]

Most of the signs that someone intends to commit suicide often occur just before they follow through. Unless the family see the person every day, they don't really know at all what's going on with their mental health.

[@creativedesignation7880]

So true. Most of my family and a good chunk of the people who know me would probably say that I would never commit suicide, eventhough I tried to do so twice. There are people, who have seen me at my worst, who quite possibly still assume I would never do that. You can never know what a person is really thinking and especially when someone feels really horrible, they might not be in the mood to open up to someone, who might judge or even ridicule them. (In case anyone is wondering: I am doing much better now, the situations I was mentioning happened several years ago and I managed to get help since.)

[@DocBree13]

I agree

[@DocBree13]

@@creativedesignation7880 I’m very glad you have conquered your demons (still working on mine) - hope you have a wonderful future without depression ❤️

[@LaLavaneko]

Especially in that time period where we knew 0 about mental health

[@isabellaangeline2175]

Other videos I watched on this case stated that the only proof that the corpse that was found in the ocean was even Lowenstein was the watch it was wearing. Given the extremely weird behavior of everyone involved, including his wife, it’s possible that that corpse was a plant and Lowenstein was either killed elsewhere or possibly was still alive and paid everyone involved to help fake his death.

[@LighthouseCape]

The first thing came into my mind was Agatha Christie's "Murder on the Orient Express" (bit funny that Cadaber never even mentioned it). There's no other logical way to explain this whole mess. Either big or small, mostly everyone in the cabin were directly involved to the "fall".

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

While he was seen positively, the was also filthy rich. And money can be a big motivator. "If he happens to die, I get all his wealth. So if you make sure he leaves the plane before it lands and doesn't get to tell why, everyone of you gets a million"

[@janehughart9290]

Basically what I got was either the other passengers were in on it or reality glitched and he clipped through the damn plane.

[@purplemonkydishwasher]

Thank you doc. Whenever the wind whistles through the leaves, I’ll think Loewenstein… Loewenstein…

[@miss_anne_thropic_]

I kept repeating this in my head every damn time he said that name. Every single time.

[@donaldronson1387]

"My name is Zweig."

[@Fuckethead]

@@donaldronson1387 …Loewenstein

[@atraxrobustus3618]

The Simpsons was such a good show back then.

[@somewhatsomething4882]

What is it with cryptic references in the Simpsons. Like Marge and Homer catching flight 182, which is another odd plane incident where people died...

[@emilymone]

ok @5:10 you call ALFRED “arthur” lowenstien and @5:41 you call him “albert” lowenstein…. i’m hella confused

[@WheelinWeenie]

I thought I was the only one that noticed this.

[@abdulbabalola5255]

Simple mistakes mfs ain't perfect

[@emilymone]

@@abdulbabalola5255 i have adhd and literally couldn’t follow i restarted the video 4 times

[@tomski1111]

I hope someone got fired for that blunder.

[@kingzoe5534]

@@emilymone that sounds like a you problem

[@ClearProximity]

do you understand how hard it is for me to see a title like this and not wanna watch, well done video.

[@LL-tr5et]

magic of clickbait

[@cudaee8689]

@@LL-tr5et this video wasn’t clickbait though… ?

[@cdd4248]

My first thought - people will say anything for enough money. He absolutely had to have been aided in his "disappearance".

[@seano6859]

I love old time crime investigators “they all said they didn’t do it and don’t knw what happened- it’s a holmes-style-mystery alright!”

[@thewall1179]

Loewenstein's favorite game? Raid: Shadow Legends.

[@durjam3734]

Smh he probably mistaked the exit door as the bathroom door lol

[@morganfarlie]

This is a FASCINATING case and I'm very glad your dulcet toned voice covered this intriguing mystery. Thank you for continuing to cover truly intriguing mysteries with high levels of production and narration!

[@sabrinatscha2554]

05:16 imagine trying to go to the bathroom on that plane 😂

[@christiandolz6272]

Mmm funny I remember from my childhood this man’s name being Loewenstain 🤔

[@Gen-X_Dirtbag]

😂😂👏👏

[@Quarksi]

Most underrated comment

[@Strype13]

Funny how Rothstein, the man who was "known to never take chances" was also the "king of high-dollar gambling." Hard to see how those two things coincide, but to each their own I suppose.

[@somewhatsomething4882]

Easy... If he's got the hired muscle, he can collect AND not pay his debts. There'd be exceptions with other top mobsters probably but largely this isn't a "regulated market" at all.

[@ri1112]

Rothstein had a big bussnis going on with loweinstein. he whas really upset when he heard that he whas gone.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The only chances he takes are on the table. "What happens in vegas, stays in vegas" style

[@ThatsJustLikeYourOpinionMan]

Your production values just keep getting better and better, as is your style. Your style is growing by leaps and bounds and I'm really happy I discovered you early. Keep it up man! If you keep making videos we will keep watching them. You're gonna be the next Lemino in no time!

[@lozy_7180]

honestly, i bet everyone on the plane was in on it

[@williambrasky3891]

I want to preface w/ saying the scenario centered around the other passengers being the culprits is my personal contender for most likely. With that said, I want to focus on possibility not brought up in any of the investigations presented. If we are correct about the passengers/ pilots, there is a way a pilot in on the scheme could make opening the door in flight much less burdensome. If alerted at the time the plot initiated, a pilot could put the plane into a "slip" with the exterior door to leeward. This would result in wind pressure on the door being significantly lessened. (Explainer for anyone not particularly aviation inclined: A slip is a maneuver wherein a plane is yawed, using only the rudder, left or right while the plane continues straight. This results in one side of the fuselage "kicking" out to one side into the wind stream. The opposite side of the fuselage is conversely shielded from the wind. Do the above so the exit door is on the side away from the wind and it becomes much easier to open in flight).

[@LittleMushroomGuy]

Guy fell though the toilet opening while taking a dump, _obviously_

[@SAkURAYOWA]

This is definitely giving me Murder on the Orient Express vibes.

[@gkess7106]

The door did not have to be “opened“ it merely had to be pushed a jar far enough to slip through. The door would not have to slam shut since his foot or hand being the last thing to exit would allow minor movement to close. Slow increase in noise level with a slow decrease again. A decrease to an acknowledged high ambient noise level already present. I have to discount the factory mechanics as being very biased, if not worried about being liable. Or at least seen as having an unsafe airplane. I know a car door has no problem being opened at high speed - not the same - but taking two men at 100 mph? No. Why believe two men could barely open the door, and they could then also force a man through it? No. He slipped the door open a little for a few seconds and slid through. “Did you hear something?” What? “I said DID YOU HEARSOMETHING?” WHAT?! Forget it.

[@wonwookisses]

i know nothing about airplanes (especially these older ones that they used i guess), but i do wonder if there would be a loud noise when the door opened (like the whooshing of air/wind)? or maybe the inside of these planes was so loud already that it would be concealed? i have no clue, but this theory to me sounds most plausible as well, to be honest there is hardly anything else i could think of

[@doorhanger9317]

This is so obvious, it's clear how all the controversy over the door exists simply so there *can* be a mystery. Just the way you frame and talk about something can lead people into claiming that all of the man's closest assistants and possibly friends conspired to murder him, then simultaneously happened to be on the same plane with him and with no other people who weren't in on the plan being there. And then not only that, but they all decided to cover up their crime by creating a weird mystery in which nobody saw him leave the plane, a story only likely to spur police investigation and media interest? If they had simply framed a suicide, we would not be talking about this as an unsolved case today. I'd say the real mystery is why the 3rd richest man in the world took his own life, but the wife explained it pretty well: his love life was dead and mob connections were catching up with him. But his literal wife is of course brushed off with her reasonable explanations because we can't let some silly woman get in the way of a good mystery

[@LP-bi4vc]

Every time I come back to this channel, I forget this isn't a crazy big channel with 1+ million subs. The apparent production value of your videos is insane! Great job, man!

[@benmcreynolds8581]

I have fallen completely in love with your videos and their content, style, and structure. It now make me wish I could watch a 100 videos of yours covering true crime cases because your stuff is just so good. I hope to see a new video out soon because I can't get enough of your content.

[@VIB1NG]

The Channel With The Most Satisfying Intro 👏

[@miss_anne_thropic_]

Agreed

[@leaflizard8485]

I like Brew’s intro theme

[@wanderinghistorian]

Very good documentary. This one of the few mysteries I had not yet seen covered on YT. It's pretty clear he was murdered, I agree with your assessment.

[@TheTicassShow]

You're my new favorite channel, a Leminno that uploads more frequently ! Keep going bro you rock

[@genghis_connie]

Loved this! A riveting story, great narration, thorough investigation, and transition music which was perfection. Also loving that you updated the end thanks to, "With special thanks to.." and lost the "ex-specially" mispronunciation. Kudos!

[@Legionmint7091]

I really like your channel Cadaber. However, I think it would improve a lot if you used contemporary images and footage and/or animations rather than modern images that appear as anachronisms. Just a thought.

[@angryhobo212]

I know what you mean about it feeling anachronistic, but it might not be the easiest thing to find 30 minutes of stock footage of planes and oceans from back then Although I suppose you could take snippets from old movies, that could be great Anyway, I usually don't even watch the video because I listen to these as I (attempt to) fall asleep Cheers :)

[@blueskittle1779]

@@angryhobo212 Cadaber ASMR

[@stickshiftstarship]

Wait... look at the scematic of the plane. The lobby door also serves as the washroom door. When the washroom is closed, presumably the secretaries could see straight into the lobby area. It doesnt seem reasonable that he'd leave the door to close of the washroom AND lobby, not with well, ladies present. He'd close the washroom door with himself inside.

[@CamMackay96]

In this case I think its most logical to rely on Occam's Razor. With all the inconsistencies with the opening of the door it makes more sense that the passengers all conspired and presumably forced him out of the plane.

[@doorhanger9317]

This is... literally the opposite of Occam's Razor

[@HeyLeFay]

Occam's Razor would dictate that Loewenstein somehow managed to throw himself out. That is the easiest explanation, far less complicated than half a dozen people conspiring to kill him and no one snitching on the others.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@HeyLeFayeven easier is that he fell into the toilet. But a conspiracy, or at least a paid "accident" seems at least plausible. Dude was rich, really rich. So if his wife or son or whoever gets the inheritence (or at least a big portion of it) buys everyone's participation, or at least silence...

[@BeyondEcstasy]

"If this is the first time you hearing about Raid" 🤣🤣🤣

[@chaiimouri1418]

I don't exactly remember the plot of the movie but have anyone of you watched the murder on the orient express? All of the witnesses or suspects (I don't know what to call them) have conspired against the victim. Maybe the same has happened here

[@DocBree13]

That came to my mind, as well

[@charlescho]

I wonder if this event came first or the book.

[@MakeCaliNiceAgain]

Oh my god, I've suffered through thirty different true crime channels trying to find a human narrator and they don't exist anymore! I'm so happy I found this one I'm literally sobbing right now 😭❤

[@toastedsquid]

Just binged your vids only to get an upload fantastic

[@rejectedautobiography]

The ad after the intro REALLY spoils the intro.

[@sunshineskates5377]

I've seen your vids kicking around my recommended for a while but never checked them out and after watching 3 or 4 back to back I wish I would of. Top tier editing and more obscure cases and content I have no idea why your subs aren't in the millions. I have a feeling it won't be long though. Anyways thought I would drop my worthless opinion off keep up the good work

[@braeden9606]

I'm inclined to believe the theory about the people on the plane doing it to him. Is it possible that they all had a motive, or that someone turned them against Alfred Loewenstein? If they were all in on it, it would benefit all of them to act like they never heard anything.

[@Nderak]

whats the minimum number of people who had to be in it/ok with it?

[@JetMC254]

Like "Murder on the Orient Express" ?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@Nderak Let's assume the test the manufacturer did was honest, and let#s assume the plane didn't slow down. Three people to open the door, one to fly the plane, one to push him out, that makes five. There were seven survivors on board. The five other passengers could've done it alone (three open the door, two push him, while the pilots keep flying without noticing), but if you already got five people together, two more isn't that big of a stretch. Maybe not to take part, but at least to stay silent about it.

[@Yung_Fettuccine]

According to what Cadaber said it sounds like at least two of the guys either inherited or were paid a ton of money after his death. With how his wife acted afterwards I wouldn’t be surprised if she paid them to do it. Either way the motive was probably financial gain

[@Samson16667]

This channel and Atrocity Guide are reasons why i love KZbin and making videos. Thanks Cadaber

[@jluchette]

Wait until you discover there are MORE THAN TWO channels on KZbin. You’re in for a real treat.

[@emmaolssonfernanda]

such a good video!!!!! glad to see ur always creating such high quality stuff dude

[@TheRyanBre]

Hit another one out of the park! Love your content!!!

[@cpasr8065]

This sounds like Murder on the Orient Express' Ending happening IRL lol

[@nirajshuklaNL]

Great video! Loving your work.

[@Sebastian_Michaelis]

Man you got some fiery beats in this video 🔥🔥🔥

[@1558_MG]

Great to see a new vid!

[@zeronzemesh7718]

Lowenstein was simply going to the smoking area, which on the "Fokker Trimotor" was a wooden deck that was built on the side of the aircraft. This had always been an issue with this smoking area, as getting good fire to light your smokes, was difficult in wind conditions when traveling at 100mph. More than likely he was ducking against the airplane body, trying to protect from the wind so he could fire that bone, when he lost his footing and fell over the deck railing.

[@DocBree13]

Then why was this never mentioned in the reports, and why were investigators stumped? I also don’t see how an outside deck solves the problem of one man not being able to open the door and no door slam heard by the others.

[@beer1for2break3fast4]

@@DocBree13 W O W. I hope you're playing along with that joke.

[@xxslendermomxx3026]

Lmfao

[@adelaidedark74]

Hey @Cadaber i just recently found and fell in love instantly with your content! Keep up the fight brother! One Love!

[@atoozee4472]

The production quality and editing of these videos are actually - in my opinion - better than the likes of VSauce and Lemmino. 👍 Big ups!

[@mauricedavis8261]

I've listened to numerous accounts of this event, yet never heard the Arnold Rothstein theory, although I have to agree with your theory!!!🙏👍👻 Great channel

[@jonnykindasucks5215]

Love these type of videos

[@ghostgirl7089]

I love this! Lemmino and Cadaber collab when?

[@InYourDreams-Andia]

Croydon airport! In the south east, I used to live near there, long disused, apart from model aircraft. This is just more proof that Croydon is in fact, one of the most dangerous places on Earth. 😅

[@lesliemartin3]

Fantastic job on this!!

[@bills6093]

Except for the "vee eleven" bit...

[@louchavelli]

Can we get more like this? Great story, new one for me. This vid...made me a subscriber.

[@ajcF1]

Genuinely thought this was a LEMMiNO video, which is becoming extremely common for these new documentary videos on KZbin.

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

It is an exciting trend of quality

[@guy_th18]

Well, I was *about* to get productive today, but on second thought...

[@imaginewagons5414]

The case is actually very simple, when he was using the bathroom he fell in

[@oxycodin2253]

Why is the toilet so big

[@Joe-hh6ds]

Thank you for solving it

[@john.2019]

No, no, he was *sucked* in when he flushed

[@KnightMyst6422]

I believe the theory with the two men and the wife is the most conclusive one. She and her affair man got in on ot and the other guy finding out was either forced or had no other choice but to help them thats why he became an addict to cope with what he had done l. Then later in the future the son found out about some of the happening and was lied too so that he would get the squealer out of the picture.

[@QT5656]

Interesting case. Also the topic of the last ever Buzzfeed Unsolved True Crime (a month later)! 🛩

[@AG-en5y]

Love your work

[@sigmagrindsettipswithpatri3323]

Man why is this guy’s content so fuckin good? I almost can’t look away when looking at your stuff. Amazing job Mr. Daber.

[@nummary1133]

love these videos

[@D_Dupa]

A lot of your script consists of redundant sentences, that state things that have already been established. I think you should keep it in the back of your head next time when you’re writing. Other than that, very interesting video! Keep it up!

[@kylebaird8813]

Explaining the meaning of redundant in a criticism about being redundant - is redundant.

[@Miumiu0404]

He also kept on messing up his name. He called him Alfred, Arthur and Albert. Maybe he's going through divorce while he wrote the script.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

That sounds really condescending

[@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133]

@@sabrinatscha2554 Criticism =/= Condescension

[@mad-pit3832]

look at all these bacon bonces in here, replying and trying to sound educated and in possession of extensive vocabulary's. Bacon bonce = nonce.

[@JyBaller]

Wow man a 4 min advertisement in your video. Love it

[@timchaney8184]

Love this guy's stuff. Lays out all the known facts and then dismembers the best conspiracy theories.

[@Kirke182]

Jerrold J. Potter was a businessman in 1968 who had 2 grown daughters and belonged to such clubs as the Lions, Elks, Moose and the Illinois Chamber of Commerce. He also sat on the Pontiac, Illinois city council. He co-owned an insurance company with his brother. On June 29, he and his wife, Carrie, climbed aboard a DC-3 in Pontiac and headed to Dallas to attend a Lions Club convention. The weather was perfect. The pilot, Miguel Cabeza stated, "There was no weather disturbance to account for what would happen later." Less than an hour into the flight, somewhere over Missouri, Potter excused himself to use the lavatory. His wife saw him pause to talk to James Schaive, president of the Lions Club in Ottawa, Illinois. She turned back to the window to enjoy the scenery. It would be the last time she would ever see her husband. Half an hour later, Jerrold had not returned. Carrie turned to look at the lavatory near the rear of the plane. The door was shut. She worried that perhaps her husband was in some trouble. The plane then hit a tiny pocket of turbulence. Unless one were paying attention, one would not have noticed it. But up in the pilots' cabin, Cabeza saw the red "Door Open" light turn on. One of the emergency doors was open! Cabeza told his co-pilot Roy Bacus to go check the doors. Around that same time, Carrie Potter notified a stewardess that her husband was missing. She was worried that he might be sick in the lavatory. The stewardess checked the lavatory but it was empty. She encountered Bacus making his rounds and told him about the missing passenger. When he checked the emergency door in the rear of the plane, it was open a crack. The safety chain was lying on the floor. He went back to the flight cabin and told Cabeza what he had discovered. They theorized that perhaps the slight bump the plane registered might have thrown Potter against the door, which was near the lavatory, and the chain broke and Potter fell out or maybe he opened the emergency door thinking it was the lavatory door and was sucked out. A thorough search of the plane confirmed that Jerrold Potter was not on the plane. Cabeza radioed into the Springfield, MO airport that he needed to make an emergency landing. Investigators searched every inch of the plane but Jerrold Potter was not onboard. So, he must have fallen out of the emergency door. The trouble is, the amount of force necessary to open the door would be extremely difficult due to the pressure differential. Even if Potter had fallen hard against the door, that would not be nearly enough force for the door to open and why would he have fallen hard against the door anyway since the bump the plane experienced was barely noticeable? The idea that he would have or could have opened the door thinking it was the lavatory door is not tenable. Some thought that Potter was murdered in the lavatory and the killer threw the body out the emergency door but the same problem presents itself--how did the killer get the door open? Of course, why and how anyone would have killed Potter also needs explaining. A ground search was carried out along the plane's route up to Springfield but there was no sign of Potter which would be highly improbable if he had really fallen out. He would not have survived a fall of two miles and his body would have been found somewhere if not by the search party then by somebody. But there was not a trace of Jerrold Potter. Carrie Potter called off the search after four fruitless days because she was afraid too many people were putting their lives at risk trying to find her husband. Carrie Potter sued the Perdue Aviation Corporation for $800,000 and was awarded $80,000 which mostly went to pay off her legal fees. While the "official" conclusion is that Jerrold Potter fell from the plane; over 50 years later, there has been no trace of Jerrold Potter.

[@seriousnorbo3838]

When you're 4 minutes into the video and all you've seen was just very long Raid Shadow Legends ad.

[@carpathianhussar8553]

It's not a Fokker FV11, it's an F7, using Roman numerals, and it had 3 engines.

[@tannerjones3805]

Hey dude I love your videos

[@emendymedia]

I like the fact every time I go on these plane crash videos I get a Jet2 advert

[@noahm6113]

your videos are so god damn good

[@nixietubes]

8:33 in, the only thing i can think of is the people on board colluded to kill him or one of them managed to do it without the others noticing. His wife arranging for him to be called and paying off the other passengers with a promised chunk of his wealth makes complete sense

[@boi6002]

Wow that intro got me intrigued as heck, I’ve waited until I was nearly slumped for the night to watch cus I know it would have kept me up for a banger finale to my day. Thanks for the great content again dude. :)

[@worm4braiins]

I’m excited for this one 😎😎

[@xlnuniex]

Rewatching old videos as I wait for a new upload.

[@kouhai2456]

After the exposition and before any of the theories were explained or listed, all that was going through my head was "they obviously all were in on it" lmao

[@clockztickin]

Starts @ 4:00

[@ragejohnson1567]

2 and a half minute ad inside the video is wild

[@Revoltine]

I keep spacing out while listening to the video and everytime it happens, I keep getting confused whether I'm listening to Cadaber or Barely Sociable orz

[@nathanbasset]

12:06 if you wanted to know Fokker was a Dutch aircraft manufacturer pronounced "Folk-er"

[@The_FatGeneral]

never heard anyone pronounce it like that as a dutchman

[@saramarra5307]

I was looking for this comment. Thank you sir.

[@Joel_Roberts]

I always feel like I may have slid past so many videos when I realize a channel has changed their avatar on KZbin.