The Strictly Report: Should Giovanni Return To The Ballroom? | Loose Women

[@Rbay853]

Coleen Nolan has the remarkable ability to make every conversation about herself.

[@Ladybird22373]

PTSD after a dance class she was paid for 🤣. The most serious complaints were dismissed. Some of those upheld were just laughable . I find Amanda just one big baby desperate to ruins someone’s career over nothing in my opinion. She should try having cancer , being made homeless or losing your love ones so early . Then let’s talk about PTSD

[@bernicedavies5721]

I couldn’t agree with you more, well said

[@Ladybird22373]

@@xCrash57x she didn’t have cancer , they were benign lumps .

[@BerdinaBoshoff]

Gio come back and Amanda build a bridge and get over your ego. Enough is enough

[@Outlier2024]

Or being in a war.

[@richarde9107]

Have the BBC released this footage for independent review? The requests made were all declined. Do we even trust the BBC to deliver transparency for everyone involved?

[@RichardMoyler]

EastEnders last

[@annbumfrey6812]

No we don't trust the BBC and they know those rehearsal videos were bad ...so they've compromised....Poor Amanda has to be satisfied with that ...its wrong and always will be .The BBC are a law unto themselves and they have not been open and honest about this inquiry!

[@annbumfrey6812]

@richarde9107 no we don't things done in secret are always suspect

[@cloemoore9732]

They had two retired Metropolitan Police officers supporting and reviewing the investigation- I believe

[@RichardMoyler]

@@cloemoore9732 coming next Friday

[@carolinestreeter975]

If Colleen goes in I will give that year a miss! She makes everything about her she would be another Amanda Abbington!

[@FionaCowe]

The Professional dancers are all competitive that’s how they are if you agree to take part you have to realise it’s hard work not a stroll in the park not everyone can dance and the professional dancers want the best for their partners you have to put in the hard work

[@annbumfrey6812]

@FionaCowe yes but you don't expect to verbally bullied ! Please stop normalising what happened

[@FionaCowe]

@@annbumfrey6812 I am not normalising it but she keeps coming up with more allegations

[@gracelouise3014]

Both Shirley and Kevin Clifton have talked openly about the culture of bullying that is rife and ‘normalised’ in the dance world. So verbal abuse ie bullying is ‘professional’ and part of ‘getting the best out of you’. Amanda Abingdon worked hard, you could see that in the dances she produced, but there was always a disconnect in the partnership and that is on the professional. How would you like to start a new job and instead if being encouraged were verbally abused - something the bbc apologised for. In other words if someone wants the ‘best for you’, is verbal abuse - bullying, ok?

[@adwoamk8918]

​@@FionaCoweShe wasn't coming up with things, she wasn't able to speak about it in detail because they were still investigating, now the investigation is done, she's speaking more on the details. People have made things up and called her a liar, what's wrong with her defending herself?

[@Muddipaws1308]

Hope Giovani tells BBC to go do one!

[@jeanblyth6305]

No the show must go on ! As for the complaints why do these stars not just leave after a couple of weeks if it’s not what they expected ?

[@annbumfrey6812]

@@jeanblyth6305 they do !!!...and look at the backlash too!!!

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

Let's talk about the BBC Scandal, and not the ITV (Phil) Scandal. Well done LW.

[@ruthhogg6423]

What’s the Phil scandal?

[@lorrainequigley6389]

I thought exactly the same.

[@daniellefrancis1476]

No one cares about Philips scandal anymore. Most people have moved on! 🙄

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

@@daniellefrancis1476 I don't care.

[@daniellefrancis1476]

@@shauncraigparkinson8165 so why mention it then?

[@Clare1981]

Why in this country is competitiveness considered bad? We have weird school sports days with no winners, Strictly is all "hearts and flowers" I miss Brendan, James, Erin and Camilla and others they all wanted to win every year they would come back with fight. I also miss Brucie and Len with the Saturday night catchphrases.

[@stevehutchins3429]

When there were proper sports days and proper teachers for p e that’s when we had good national sports teams people who wanted to play for there country now it’s nothing to do with competition everyone gets a certificate for turning up is wrong this country is run wrong by the wrong people for the wrong people we need to compete in everything to win not to finish last

[@annbumfrey6812]

@stevehutchins3429 winning at any cost isn't winning that's why competition became unpopular

[@stevehutchins3429]

@@annbumfrey6812 due to the snowflake people in power today competing in competition should be fare I agree

[@thisnthat42]

This is not universal. My daughter’s school very much has a winning team each sport’s day and the students that compete in individual or team events throughout the year don’t all get joint first place but there is an emphasis on praising the effort because it encourages what is called a growth mindset, that if they work at it they can improve and maybe in turn improve those finishing positions but they don’t pretend that a team loss in say football is not a loss.

[@annbumfrey6812]

@Clare1981 winning is what people want it's a competition after all however some professional dances achieve great things without the need to bully and degrade their partners....are you listening Pernice ?

[@alexandrarohla1531]

Strictly is a COMPETITION not a walk in the park,stop this ridiculous attitude

[@JennieMadden-os4vm]

No-one deserves to be kicked ever

[@bevturner2258]

@@JennieMadden-os4vm Kicked? Thought it was verbal…

[@abs_kuzmin_2010]

@@JennieMadden-os4vmhe never kicked her he has been cleared of that

[@mariannehavisham8323]

Competition doesn't give people ptsd

[@beckix3662]

@@JennieMadden-os4vmthat was Graziano who kicked Zara McDermott

[@Starrysky-e1i]

Giovanni can sue surely if he’s not happy ?

[@honeybee3414]

Sue for what?

[@ThePrincessnady1]

Sue for a an investigation after a serious complaint??? Get a life

[@airs1234]

Amanda is a liar. She’s liked multiple times on this and spoke out about the investigation whilst it was ongoing which she wasn’t meant to do.

[@OliGrubb]

I don’t think the show has changed, I think the culture (& sensitivity) has changed and how the dance industry is, people not in that world aren’t used to it. I’m not saying it’s all right, but I think context is key & cause I am from the dance world, I want to hope everything is valid & not blown out of proportion

[@MrPokeguy9]

Couldn’t agree more, Brits seem to want competition shows but when people get competitive it’s frowned upon. Plus the professionals are there to teach the celebs to dance, in that environment it can’t all be positive, hard work isn’t sunshine & rainbows

[@gaskellr44]

@@MrPokeguy9 But not to abuse them with verbal bullying. Come on, use some common sense.

[@OliGrubb]

@@gaskellr44 again I think knowing the context is key, which sadly we don’t know it all. But also you saying to the other person to use some common sense is quite dismissive. You’re allowed to disagree but don’t disregard anything without fact or proof 💜

[@gaskellr44]

@@OliGrubb The BBC appologised to her. They didn't appologise to him, so we can assume what has really gone on. He has the same history with others from the show, but she was the one that showed bravery, being a bit older than them and also has had experiece of bullying before. We may not ever see the evidence, or facts as you call it, but it is fairly obvious that he is an obnocxious person, evidenced by him calling her crazy to an audience crowd a few months ago. But now he is saying she did the right thing by taking it further, trying to cover all angles of his back. Iv'e said quite a few comments cos I despise bullying, and he is obviously one.

[@OliGrubb]

@@gaskellr44 don’t worry I’ve noticed you commenting a lot & I don’t think anyone agrees with bullying so it’s not just you. But again, due to my life experiences, I will be looking at this in a slightly different way than you will & that doesn’t diminish either of our opinions, but yeah context will always be key here

[@Francis-xl2gu]

YEP BLOWN out of all proportion !!!

[@AngelaMcLean-ib2eh]

Strictly is not the same without Gio & I haven't watched it this series. It's up to Gio if he wants to return but I think he should receive apology from bbc as well for length of time it took to announce outcome. He is a lovely man & didn't deserve this anguish for several month. BBC too slow

[@fionawhitefield6822]

So how do you know it isn’t the same without him if you haven’t watched the new series? He was found to have engaged in verbal abuse, so he hasn’t left untarnished.

[@Etambuyu67]

Same here! I have lost interest in strictly since Giovanni left. I hope he comes back.

[@elhovobulgaria8661]

Watched a couple of them this year - big loss without him, his dancing is unique and knocks the other professional dancers into a cocked hat

[@gwenduffield3183]

It’s all money women sold her story for money simple as that

[@sarahjones8396]

What an awful discussion! What was the point of it?

[@RCM-s5r]

I really feel for the celebrities, trying to teach some of the most pompous Z list celebrities. Most weeks I struggle listening to them for a couple of mins on the show, can you imagine having to put up with them day after day for months. In life we should always remember that there are always two sides to a story.

[@zakphil6638]

It’s really concerning to see that comments on the KZbin reels involving Giovanni and the Amanda accusations have been disabled, especially when it seems like he has a lot of support. It makes you wonder who’s controlling the narrative here. Why are the comments on interviews like the one Giovanni did with Lorraine suddenly switched off and no longer visible? It feels like we’re being manipulated!

[@jacobmassey3897]

Amanda accused her ex husband of the same thing. Notice a pattern with her? 🤔

[@mth06834]

Oh really? Lying through her teeth then, if they didn't prove that her ex-husband did the same thing.

[@benedettabergamo1972]

Really? What kind of accusations has thrown at him?

[@jacobmassey3897]

@@benedettabergamo1972 the same as she's done here. Last time I checked Martin Freeman was still a free man 🤣

[@annbumfrey6812]

@jacobmassey3897 She is actually still close with her ex l don't believe all you read ...there are some truly Rediculous things being said about all Amanda .Pernice is a bully with no idea how to treat women

[@gaskellr44]

If you mean Martin Freeman. That is complete bo lacks. She has never accused him of anything like that.

[@csharpe5787]

Only if he wants to. He should be allowed. There are plenty of ex-partners who have been prepared to support him.

[@mariannehavisham8323]

And ex partners who spoke out against similar abusive behaviour

[@stevehutchins3429]

@@mariannehavisham8323which was thrown out the window by the bbc they were fed up paying out to waste of space people who think they are stars half of them don’t know how to spell the word

[@annbumfrey6812]

And plenty that Don't

[@testtube43]

He should come back. You don't get to do these dances without very strong training, if she didn't like it why didn't she just leave on the first week.

[@PC1974]

He is back on the dance floor - in the Italian version of Strictly.

[@ellieg3709]

What makes you think Giovanni Pernice will want to return to Strictly? He has been busy working and has other tours coming up with Anton Dubeke. He has moved on, please stop dwelling on it, the drama is over now, the public have had enough and are already happily settlied into the current series of Strictly. Ms Abbingdon needs to realise she is beginning to sound like a broken record in ALL her interviews, she is going to make herself ill.

[@thepopfiles4294]

The Dance world is tough and competitive. However the celebs aren’t professionals, so it’s up to the pros to teach respectfully within that setting. So even with the admission of nothing physical, emotionally for her, he wasn’t appropriate. If our bosses screamed at us, we’d all be calling it out because it’s unacceptable. I don’t think he needs banished and never to be heard of, but a lesson for all the pros on these shows, it’s entertainment, not life or death.

[@lizhart5703]

It is entertainment, but there is also a lot of pressure on the pros to perform a dance in a very short time. If their partners are not co-operating for whatever reason, this is difficult. Amanda obviously should not have been accepted for the show.

[@Outlier2024]

Actors have to go through grueling training, rehearsals, and numerous takes. They should be used to verbal criticism by now.

[@patriciadevlin5121]

Bring back Brendan Cole 😮the show is past its best.

[@rozcarter4676]

@@thepopfiles4294 But if the pro doesn't work hard they can get dropped All this has done is damage Ginos career Totally wrong She didn't like it she left And that should have been the end of it All this is just overblown out of proportion And I doubt it's done much for her reputation in the acting industry "Difficult to work with "

[@thepopfiles4294]

@@rozcarter4676 that’s not true. There’s numerous pros who’ve kept their jobs without ever winning. And a good teacher is only as good as their students say they are. She isn’t the only one that’s spoke out. And she’s actually touring just now. I’m not saying he should be banished to Italy, but no professional, whether on tv or in our own professions should conduct themselves on a way that’s considered bullying, or aggressive.

[@_.mustafaahmed22]

So you didn’t even speak about it

[@RichardMoyler]

The video uk last

[@bromptinowner763]

Always knew blown out of all proportion !!! You Rock Gio !!!

[@annbumfrey6812]

Backing a bully ...😢you believe what you want to believe even if its a lie

[@MrPokeguy9]

@@annbumfrey6812even though almost all of his other celeb partners have said come out showing support for Gio, so maybe this is just an isolated incident between himself & Amanda

[@Ladybird22373]

@@annbumfrey6812have you seen the complaints upheld ? . She made serious claims that were proven to be untrue? Thats disgraceful.

[@annbumfrey6812]

@Ladybird22373 verbally bullying someone is disgraceful....let's see those videos and l will decide whether the other complaints stand ...but suprise suprise it's not for public viewing is it .Something just isn't right

[@OliGrubb]

@@annbumfrey6812 I agree verbal bullying isn’t right, but I do think context is key in this situation. As a former dancer, there was always frustration in rehearsals & classes and sometimes it was let out verbally but it’s cause they have belief in you & they normally want you to get out of your head & stop self doubting yourself. Again we don’t know the full context in this situation, but I also wanted to give the dance world side since I’ve seen others comment here with some blissful ignorance thinking they know that world when they have 3 left feet

[@telbel4979]

Until they release anything we can view to judge, I'm team Gio. I don't like Amanda at all. He absolutely should be allowed to continue on Strictly. Also Shirley Ballas also stood up for him, and that's good enough for me.

[@ykc6754]

You can already tell her fake smiles and pretenses throughout the show.

[@BerdinaBoshoff]

Defnitely the show is not the same anymore

[@shirleyvalentine2794]

Good riddance to Gio.He is no saint and the show is just fine without him.

[@telbel4979]

@@shirleyvalentine2794 How would you know?

[@ykc6754]

@@shirleyvalentine2794 that’s I agree too.

[@frenchprovincial9602]

Absolutely bring back Giovani a super talented dancer who taught celebs well. Too much of an actress, she thinks she's better than she is after the success of Downton. I bet Giovani couldn't wait till that season was finished.

[@bcoolfool1014]

How do you know? You don't even know that she wasn't even in Downton.

[@ruthhogg6423]

Silly thing to say. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest she thinks she’s better than she is. And how good, or not good, is on,y your opinion.

[@frenchprovincial9602]

@@ruthhogg6423 I'm entitled to my opinion just like all the other comments. Silly thing to say it's everyone's opinion putting a comment. Der.

[@ruthhogg6423]

@@frenchprovincial9602 So where do you get evidence that she “thinks she’s better than she is”?

[@frenchprovincial9602]

@@ruthhogg6423 My opinion watching her being interviewed. You know everyone's entitled to form their opinion. We can agree to disagree that's what civilised people doi.

[@DavidJohnson-yq4nz]

She sounds stressed and anxious

[@barbaraaimson2100]

Yes.

[@SharonThomas-q6o]

As a woman currently in refuge I am really sad at the comparison between emotional/verbal abuse and physical..TRUST me the emotional is 24/7 the physical is intermittent. This is of course my personal experience and not everyone's opinion will match mine BUT finding evidence of any kind of abuse should be treated seriously and not downgraded to the less of the two evils. Stay strong and brave Amanda you're living proof of how NOT far we have come..you've made a difference you really have x

[@Quirkypunk]

200% AGREE Emotionally can be worse, bones heal words can't be taken back and im not undermining the violence just pointing out a fact Imo

[@ykc6754]

It’s not about the programme. It’s because the people in it.

[@CarrieDayes]

So he can harras and verbally bully his dance partners and get away with it then .This is still wrong ,so no he shouldn't be let back on the show.Bullying in any shape or form is wrong.

[@markwilks1896]

She was looking for attention

[@Outlier2024]

I read what she considered abusive language. My elementary school teachers were nastier to me than that. What a snowflake! When did she ever fill a movie theater anyway?

[@traceyjones3585]

Should returned back x

[@peterwilliamskelhorn6675]

@traceyjones3585 the bbc probably didn't want him back anyway so hes on the Italian version. I don't forgive what he did.

[@abs_kuzmin_2010]

@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675he got permission to go on DWTS Italy

[@csharpe5787]

@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675 you have no idea what he did if he did anything at all

[@peterwilliamskelhorn6675]

@@csharpe5787 the serious allegations he got cleared of

[@bcoolfool1014]

These comments are unbelievable. We don't know what went on as the footage has not been released. But we do know that he did bully her, as they have relented to admitting that. And with this new information, we should be rallying around Amanda and giving her support and kindness. In coming out and putting a spotlight on his behaviour, Amanda has risked so much. She should be cheered for her actions, not vilified. She's not in the wrong here people.

[@dajtoad1]

We still don’t really know much. Gio’s mate was right. It was impossible for the BBC to clear him completely without being accused of a whitewash. Her whining about Gio hurting her ‘ickle feelings has really turned me off her, and I liked her before the show. In years past, the focus was a lot more on how hard the celebs had to work. There was almost a competition as to how many rehearsal hours they were putting in. Training room footage showed a lot more of the tears involved. Then they wanted everything to be “happy, happy, happy, everything’s fun and lovely”, so the celebs underestimate the task ahead of them. The pros are trying to teach them to dance in a matter of weeks. Dance is tough. Get over it.

[@dianecameron137]

they should not have lot their jobs because of these celebs

[@lisab9734]

Yes he should return

[@starrosborne7839]

I think they went out of their way to show everybody being too nice on the launch show and it was really obvious what they were trying to achieve poor Amanda if it was that out of proportion why didn’t they release the footage so the public could’ve made up their own minds !

[@Carol-or9jl]

No, no, no, he was not cleared of all charges so he was wrong. Strictly this year is so good In love the new format and it is ENTERTAINMENT.

[@moirahyde750]

The show is still fun. Abuse is not just physical- if Giovanni was “let go” there must have been reasons for that. I don’t think he can come back.

[@RichardMoyler]

The video uk last

[@rickyodriscoll9729]

She was a liar and yes he should but I feel he’s too good for the show I don’t watch it now it’s past it’s best

[@annbumfrey6812]

No she wasn't...if it's a lie let's see the rehearsal videos...and the report of the inquiry INFULL oh but hang on the BBC have denied this ....l wonder why

[@Carol-or9jl]

I am also a huge strictly fan but there is no excuse for verbal abuse or any other a use, Giovanni should not be allowed back.

[@starrosborne7839]

I think it’s sad that any form of bullying is abhorrent and should be punished to show that this behaviour is unacceptable , and if it’s claiming to be a family show what example are they setting for children

[@padderz]

Why is it that the people taking aim at Amanda are women? Verbal abuse and harassment is not ok. If that is how he made his partner feel then he needed to adjust his approach to teaching. That is what a good teacher does. The fact that he didn’t beat a woman is NOT a vindication of his methods.

[@Sunflower-wq6re]

Verbal abuse is not ok so Abbington should apologise to Giovanni for swearing at him.

[@Mirabella-t4k]

It has been reported in the media that pro dancers get paid between £35000 and £50000 per season on Strictly. It is a lot of money for 4 months of work, plus income for touring. They should be greatful and not big headed .They must have respect for their partners.

[@rozcarter4676]

@@Mirabella-t4k They start work before September and put a lot of hours in over that period Compared to footballers who perform once sometimes twice a week during the season their salary is not that great

[@rozcarter4676]

@@Mirabella-t4k Wonder how much the judges and presenters get🤔

[@Mirabella-t4k]

@@rozcarter4676 According to the media head judge Shirley gets 500k and other judges 200k per series.

[@gillianhollins3003]

And the celebrities get £250000 for even less work plus bonuses when they reach certain stages so maybe they should stop whining and do what their paid to do instead of acting all precious

[@rbee3936]

This sum is a pittance compared with what the celebs get...

[@rozcarter4676]

He should be back Complaining about her teacher trying to get the best results is pathetic Good job she wasn't appearing on a cooking show with Gordon Ramsey!!

[@irenemcwatt4443]

:)))))

[@mariannehavisham8323]

She complained about abuse that left her with ptsd

[@rozcarter4676]

@@mariannehavisham8323 Mild ptsd - because she didn't like how she was being trained Different cultures different ways Also said in an interview she had a medical condition at the time Sorry but the investigation proved Gino was no danger to anyone and the BBC said this to his new employer She now says all she wanted was an apology BBC have apologised So all she has done is kept her name in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons If as she claims she didn't like his behaviour from day one she should have left sooner But maybe that would have meant no fee?

[@Francis-xl2gu]

​​@@rozcarter4676I agree ! A cooking show with Gordon now that would have been one to watch

[@jillmilroy2392]

Nobody shauld have to tolerate verbal abuse specially a adult. Your forgetting that some of these people haven't danced in there lives and they expect perfection from them there not trained dancers like they are & talking/treating people disrespectfully is not gonna help them.

[@stevehutchins3429]

No the professionals do not expect perfection but that is what training is for and if you come in with underlying issues thats your fought just to get a pay cheque the professionals have not got time to pussey foot around contestants if they do not want to change and gio did not physically abuse her in anyway and to raise his voice to put something across is teaching she just did not want to

[@alexhaynes7220]

Why no sorry for him

[@Carol-or9jl]

NO, NO, NO, verbal abuse is abuse so bye Giovanni.

[@jetnight88]

I think he should return because people overreacted. And it's racism as well

[@bevturner2258]

Racism?

[@jetnight88]

​@@bevturner2258 Yes because you can't criticise a foreigner ever because you'll be seen as racist to the internet and to people. So we can't criticise a foreigner

[@dawnsparks9207]

It has nothing to do with racism, ever since Meghan used that Card to get out of the UK its being used daily. Put it back in your pocket untill you really need it , not for a entertainment show, where the celebrities take alot of money then moan about the hours they have to put in ,

[@annbumfrey6812]

Racism card 😂 oh please he's a bully plain and simple

[@Skaterbun]

@@annbumfrey6812 jetnight88 is obviously trolling you 😅

[@bellatricks6647]

4 women sat on a panel not addressing the elephant in the room that another women was verbally abused and harassed but focusing on “the competiton”. Sloping shoulders springs to mind. Have some solidarity for gods sake.

[@fionawhitefield6822]

I have never liked him, so I won’t miss him.

[@AbigailBrown-wk7xl]

Amanda has a right to reply

[@suerawson8034]

It’s a Saturday night family entertainment show that has lost its direction.The competitiveness should never become brutal & disrespectful,time to leave & let someone new with a fresh dedication have a go

[@roncatton7101]

Typical BBC predators and bullying, what does anybody expect from that corporation anymore. BBC needs getting rid of, or being placed on ppv for those mugs who are sad enough to want to watch it.

[@PaladinesAngel]

All the shameful behaviour towards Amanda is spot lit now as the cruel and inexcusable behaviour it was.

[@keirmitchell5560]

Amanda needs to get a grip

[@PaladinesAngel]

@@keirmitchell5560 not according to the BBC complaints committee. Giovani needs to get a grip

[@abs_kuzmin_2010]

All he did was shout at her

[@PaladinesAngel]

@@abs_kuzmin_2010 because of a throw away entertainment programme. Totally rational behaviour of course. No he hasn’t lost the plot or his perspective at ALL 🙄

[@nevinemirali2894]

Amanda is just looking to get her career back and giovanni is the scape goat, cry wolf is her game, the bosses had to do something to be seen to act upon the false aligations in my opinion. And it's ashame he won't be able to come back.

[@brunobruno-r3w]

HE SHOULD NOT COME BACK, AS THERE IS NO PLACE FOR SOMEONE LIKE HIM. I FEEL SO SORRY FOR HER!

[@csharpe5787]

He is a lovely man. Clearly you have paid a very little attention to his work or what his previous partners have had to say. I think Amanda should do some soul-searching.

[@stephenguppy7882]

What do you mean, 'someone like him'? He is more of a victim here than Abbington. She thought it was going to be a shedload of cash and a career boost in return for minimal effort in return. She found she was expected to work harder in her life than ever before and she didn't like it.

[@danthechatterboxman]

he was innocent but some of his fellow dancers sided against him so I wouldn’t

[@jo2oxla]

No good riddance

[@davidbosquette4798]

They knew what he was like for yeare!! Typical BBC turned a blind eye just because he could dance good.

[@Outlier2024]

How do you know what he was like?