The "Stunning Fragility" & Vindictive Political Correctness of Today's Students - Jonathan Haidt

Prompted by the Charles Murray protest at Middlebury College, Jonathan Haidt & Frank Bruni discuss the "stunning fragility" of a bubble-wrapped generation allergic to political diversity & debate.
Excerpted from his interview on Charlie Rose (March 6, 2017)
You can watch the full interview on the Charlie Rose website or through the Heterodox Academy link.
charlierose.com/videos/30146
heterodoxacademy.org/2017/03/0...
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Books mentioned in the video:
The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt
Where You Go Is Not Who You'll Be by Frank Bruni
Free Range Kids by Lenore Skenazy
Free Range Kids website: www.freerangekids.com
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Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. He is author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, and The Happiness Hypothesis.
He co-authored (with Greg Lukianoff of FIRE) an influential article in the September 2015 issue of The Atlantic, entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind": www.theatlantic.com/magazine/a...
He also runs Heterodox Academy which promotes viewpoint diversity at universities. heterodoxacademy.org
Heterodox Academy Guide to Colleges:
heterodoxacademy.org/resources...

[@oleandra3759]

Boy is Haidt right on the unsupervised play. I wouldn't trade that aspect of my childhood for anything. I was a warrior, head of state, solider, cop, spy, explorer, and many other things in adult-free land of play time- I sought position and sometimes led the pack but other times stepped aside to champion my friends to their successes. I sought to gain wealth through violence and learned that hitting hurts and so do bites. And so, where violence failed, I negotiated - sticker collections, baseball cards, and candy. I formed alliances that led to victory in street hockey, baseball, and nighttime hide & seek. I learned that being alone was an afternoon in the sun catching tadpoles, and in that, to cherish my own company. I was wild and happy.

[@Gravitahn]

Fantastic comment. Thanks for posting.

[@justtowatch111]

Oleandra, you too grew up in the golden age of childhood. Man, I love the way you nailed the freedom!.

[@Xbalanque84]

Ah, the simple joys of hunting for small animals...

[@oleandra3759]

I was exclusively catch and release!

[@YvonneMeek]

jimmyshitbags home schooled kids do that all day long.

[@bjohnwilliams]

Your job as a parent isn’t to protect a child, it’s to build an adult

[@pipersmitty87]

If this video offends you, this is about you.

[@rmcd823]

Who would be offended by this childish? Lol

[@rmcd823]

It is very entertaining.

[@UKnowtheThing]

Exactly. Well said. These kids are going to have a hard life ahead of them once leaving their "safe spaces."

[@drewerving7428]

@@rmcd823 you'd be surprised

[@drewerving7428]

lol

[@ColinJoseph5154]

Teach kids to overcome adversity, not avoid it all together

[@xandercorp6175]

Prepare the child for the road, and not the road for the child.

[@ABlackGuy10]

2 doses of finger snaps for these comments

[@ChristianStout]

Bring back bullying in schools!

[@untunedguitar45]

Has it ever left?

[@karz12]

@@xandercorp6175 What if the road is continuously being built so that's is deliberately undermining that child?

[@Ruldolphmaker]

The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling. --Thomas Sowell People seek emotional vindication in their argumentation, so they will much rather use a slurr to shut a conversation down

[@justgivemethetruth]

OK, but that fits Donald Trump more than it fits any real student today that I've known. Kids in school today and pretty bright, and they know what is going on, and they see the corruption around them and they do not want it shoved down their throats. So because they are disgusted by the system, and in particular the right-wing, you want to say they cannot think, but really this is the right-wing taking pages out of Stalin's playbook, calling critics of the system mentally ill and sending them to gulags.

[@justgivemethetruth]

​@madcheeseknight - why do you call yourself that? It is a troll name. I am about as far left as one can be, but I firmly support the 2nd Amendment. If you are a student maybe you should question what you have been told and find some things out for yourself. I have no idea what your sign is or says, but imputing something towards "leftists" because of a sign you do not know who put up or what it really means is not very critical thinking. If you go back to the beginning of the conservative movement, which was really invented and funded by the very rich libertarians in order to remove government regulation from them so they can do what they want, they employed Stalin/Trotskyist strategies, and they admit as much. They have the money to find and develop people like Haidt and most of the others you see in the right-wing media, and vet the messages they send out in focus groups. They are revolutionaries dedicated to the overthrow of the Constitution, and they have found a way to wrap themselves in the flag and pretend to be more patriotic, god-fearing and moral , and that is where guys like Haidt and Jordan Peterson come from. You and your generation have been subjected to the most powerful and clever messaging put before hundreds of people before it gets to you. Why do you think that as time goes by and we get more and more conservative thanks to policies of cheating, like fake re-districting, or making elections all about money, or vilifying the other side ... it all comes from the right and it is because they have the richest supporters. It is a shame you are onboard with losing a country you don't understand because of lies that benefit the super-wealthy class in this country. There is so much about the Republicans that doesn't make sense, like Trump being such a great business man when most of what he has done has been to inherit money from his father and cheat people. You don't find it funny that he is not religious at all but he has all the right-wing evangelicals behind him, even as he has shown over and over to be immoral. If you are smart enough to do well in school you are smart enough to see the cracks in the logic they feeding you. Cheers!

[@publia2.053]

Johnny was taught feelings were paramount and his teachers had no idea how to think themselves. Johnny was also trained to look for microagressions, slights, etc and to list them and think his homework was done.

[@justgivemethetruth]

@@publia2.053 and what, you're an idiot all on your own, right?

[@OutSideTheBoxFormat]

@@justgivemethetruth and what, you're a POS all on your own or did you have help?

[@terryp3034]

This is one of the best, most intelligent conversations I've heard about the suffocating monster that "correct thought" has become. We need much more of this.

[@just_another32]

I agree. It is wonderful. I knew something was going on when I was at university, but I didn't quite know what it was or how to describe it. That was 7 years ago. Now it has spilled out into nearly every other aspect of life. Greetings from the UK.

[@icecold7184]

Correct thought is not yelling slurs at people and making up fake versions of history. If you have a problem with that then you’re not intelligent enough to partake in discourse. I’ve yet to even see what you weirdos are talking about with this shit it’s all straw man arguments and excuses for willful ignorance.

[@Gabriel-lm7jw]

We are raising fragile narrow minded kids who delude themselves as open minded tolerant people.

[@christofeles63]

A generation as intolerant as the Puritans ever were.

[@EndaRochford]

Kids who believe that their feelings are more correct than facts and reality

[@brece5452]

I can say as a Gen Z individual, we are hoping this doesn’t happen. A lot of individuals I know are not like this, and many detest this behavior. I honestly detest that individuals that are grown adults can’t handle information and can’t sit down and see the facts.

[@margueritezoe]

Jim Cummings: Well, two years after your comment, your message in regard to a pandemic and economic crisis seems prophetic. And yet that last line didn't age well... apparently, these miniature catastrophes have only managed to multiply their fragility and consequent hysteria exponentially. The Salem Racist Trials have begun, and a new Great Purge is well underway.

[@robertbeal1307]

@@jimcummings7758 you sir are a prophet

[@catherinehouston9546]

The unsupervised play thing is key, I believe. Kids never get any privacy...To wander around with no fixed plan and squander a whole day, losing track of the time before returning home at dusk, is a luxury that a whole generation has been deprived of...tragic!!

[@theauklet]

Catherine Houston When I was a kid, we came home from school, changed, and went out to play in the neighborhood and the park on our own for hours. We fished, rode our bikes, went to the pool, played games...on our own. I feel so sorry for today's kids, who never have that experience.

[@cossack207]

you are so RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@catherinehouston9546]

I laughed when my mother, born in the 20s, told me how great numbers of youngsters in their teens and twenties rode out for the whole day on bikes taking a bottle of water and beef dripping sandwiches. They hardly saw a car on the road.. The world has accelerated in so many ways but has lost the richness of deep trusting friendships and simple pleasures

[@Ebb0Productions]

So it's the parent's fault...?

[@theauklet]

eggo It's the fault of a society that increasingly embraces elimination of freedom in favor of "safety."

[@unstopology]

This was a great discussion. I'm a Christian and I'm constantly learning from people with different beliefs. It may not change my beliefs but helps me to understand myself and my fellow man/woman better.

[@jeremyg7261]

You dumb but being censored and deleted for calling your beliefs what they are. Irrational. Keep getting post deleted despite no language issues since I guess you can’t help Christians try to learn things. Snowflake speech monitoring on this video soooo ironic

[@strumminfuel4625]

What is it about Christianity that makes it "right for you" above all 2200 or so other religions? I'm always curious to know how people discovered their religion.

[@keithcarey6312]

@@strumminfuel4625 The difference is Jesus. When I read the Gospel of John, I find that no one can come close. I don't think anyone can read the Gospel of John and not be moved by it.

[@Holly-days]

Man, I am just soooo happy to hear intellectuals seeing what some of us "out here" have been lamenting for years.

[@just_another32]

Haha, yes!

[@terryboyer1342]

Holly-days Bout time right?

[@brucebooher2288]

"Helicopter parents creating bubble-wrapped children"

[@kamran102]

Helicopter money for helicopter parents

[@liberty-matrix]

"The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is. He confuses it with feeling." -Thomas Sowell

[@just_another32]

Wonderful quotation

[@fabiopilnik827]

That describes Dr. Murray's infantile literature, you know college isn't meant to be the 2020 version of what grammar school was in 1908.

[@fabiopilnik827]

@@Heidewitzga685 you're welcome, I'd be very nervous about confusing thinking with the exponential function squared reciprocated when it has much more to do with the Hebb rule.

[@JOHN----DOE]

@@fabiopilnik827 Don't suppose you want to present a logical, evidence-based argument rather than the slur "infantile"?

[@fabiopilnik827]

@@JOHN----DOE The Hebb rule was established around the 1940s and it explains associative learning including unsupervised network learning. While some obsess over racial intelligence as designated by pools of IQ test results, others have made a trillion dollars from actual cognitive science which isn't infantile. Take the slur however you'd like it.

[@andrest-laurent4041]

I wonder about the sanity of these students when they reach 25-30-40 years of age. All these ideological seeds planted by others will rot in the darkness, having nowhere to go.

[@Sequins_]

Andre St-Laurent I attended an extremely liberal school, in the humanities, in a liberal corner of the states (Western Washington University). I read every Marxist thinker-aside from Marx himself-the professors assigned, professors and students were required to specify pronouns on day one or class, I advocated for they/them pronouns and non-gendered bathrooms to be used, I surrounded myself with every blue-haired, non-binary kid I could find, I was vegan... you know the drill. I’m 25 now. I have a useless education, but I do have the degree. I fell in love with a man in the military and now live in a military town, my next door neighbors have a 25 ft Trump flag flying in their front yard. My idols include Jordan Peterson and Jonathan Haidt, and I’m currently studying Dr Peterson’s Biblical lecture series. My entertainment includes Philip DeFranco, Steven Crowder, and most importantly, Joe Rogan. I am desperate for knowledge and the sharing of ideas, and hearing great thinkers process their thoughts is a favorite pastime of mine. All it took was time. I realized I was in a jail cell of groupthink at that university and got the hell out as soon as I realized it. I lost some friends along the day (were they really friends to begin with?) but I know I’m a much better person after transitioning through that. I understand the radical left’s thinking, and now understand a little more about the world than I did going into college. Perhaps that is what college is supposed to do, but they’ve lost the way to teach it. I learned *how* to think, only because I paid $30,000 for leftist dogma, and I taught myself a way out of it. I know you wrote your comment four score and seven years ago 😂 but I had to share that! People change-perhaps not all these wingnuts, but I did ☺️ I’m a much better person because of it

[@splenderella9]

Sequins Good for you - you're very brave!

[@os6552]

@@Sequins_ Good for you, free thought is becoming rare these days, you don't have to agree with the personalities you mentioned on everything, it is ok to disagree sometimes & not cutoff all ties. Leftist puritanism is toxic & eliminates all possibilities of a compromise.

[@icecold7184]

All you do is look down on others who think differently and comment hate like this and you haven’t considered if this is an indication that you’re the one who’s ideologically rotting.

[@icecold7184]

@@os6552 free thought means you can’t think progressively or “left”? Really, tell me more about how the only “free” or “correct” thought is the kind that appeals to tradition and

[@SomethinAintRightHere]

isn’t it ironic that they ones shouting the loudest preaching for diversity, literally HATE diversity and reject it at all cost? both funny and frightening...

[@ingolfleiblle6661]

It is the DoubleThink and NewSpeak from 1984.

[@JOHN----DOE]

It's worse than that. They are trained in ultra-liberal disciplines in departments and colleges with absolutely fascist authoritarian structures. There is NOTHING more illiberal, and more hypocritical than a college administration or an academic department structure. Just to start with, they grind out tons of excessive Ph.D.s to justify their own existence and then grossly abuse their adjuncts (former students) by paying them less than a McDonald's worker per hour (with less security and fewer benefits) No wonder they're hypocrites and cowards.

[@chadmichael_]

I think it’s worse that they hate segregation but want to segregate everyone based on race and cultural identity and force you to respect it.

[@stpedro-ht9ng]

@@chadmichael_ I don't think they're anti segregation anymore. remember that college that had a day of absence only for white teachers and students? Imagine being so 'diverse' that you ban a race of people on campus for a whole day.

[@ballparkjebusite]

Carry on with the circle jerk you got here

[@JohnnyC3650]

Why are these kids discrediting instead of debating? Because they know they'll lose.

[@annjo1york994]

It's making students "less wise"? No, it's making them downright moronic. Nothing quite as painful as watching these students, many with an IQ in the 120s or 130s or even 140s, demonstrating a radically stunted capacity for rational thought. The secondary school teachers and college professors who produce this stunting should be defendants in a few aggressive class action lawsuits. They're doing more damage to the country than even the worst corporate banksters or polluters.

[@nietzscheanmiddleman9832]

Shouldn't there be some sort of conservative alumni association or booster group to hold the administration's feet to the fire?

[@kbend]

Alums need to put their foots down and refuse to give donations until they change this toxic atmosphere

[@margochanning6868]

The bar on intelligence standards was drastically lowered starting in the 70s to meet quotas and begin the rise of rabid PC identity politics so I doubt many of these students have an IQ as high as you assume they do.

[@ch1nmuzak]

@@margochanning6868 Don't assume. They are plenty intelligent. That is not the issue. University entrance standards have in fact risen across most if not all Western countries. This is due to the competition for seats from foreign students ( largely Asian) whose tuition fees are exorbitantly higher . The administration needs + wants those foreign dollars so they can continue to fund an ever expanding administration, the foreign students are happy to pay it because competition for university seats in their own countries is far more fierce. So more and more seats go to foreign students and their $. This cycle has steadily caused university entrance requirements to rise for domestic students who need to compete for fewer and fewer domestic seats. So the entire student body on average is "smarter" to start with. At least book smarter.

[@jimsimpson1006]

@@margochanning6868 Who cares if India and China are leaving us behind, just so long as our engineers here in the Western world are NOT white males!!

[@jossdown5772]

As a teacher I quit teaching because you have to deal with the fragile egos of the students who hate to be called out about not doing school work on time and have all bunch of excuses why they didn't do it. You can't be straightforward with people anymore because they get offended very easily.

[@thisisfyne]

The problem is also the whole education system _allowing_ for these egos to keep gaining the upper hand. If institutions were reasonable in the face of teachers getting unjustly accused of "isms" left and right, we wouldn't be in this whole mess. The zoomer students would eventually stop being special little snowflakes and learn to be confronted with uncomfortable opinions and situations.

[@proudatheist2042]

@@thisisfyne former teacher here. I noticed that a principal I had for two years would bend over backwards to molly coddle students and their parents who were in the wrong. Another principal I worked for would tell parents and students who were in the wrong exactly how that was, but her support was the exception, not the norm.

[@christianbolt5761]

The posting of phone numbers to report people makes NYU sounds like Soviet Russia, Saddam’s Iraq, or Mao’s China.

[@ClergetMusic]

A colleague of mine had friends who lived in Berlin during the Cold War. Restaurants were very quiet places although they were often packed with patrons just for that reason: it was a very real situation that if you said the wrong thing, someone would report you. You couldn’t even trust your neighbors.

[@inveele]

DeSantis made this into law in Florida. He wants Republican kids to rat out their "liberal" professors. Republicans are much bigger snowflakes now.

[@threeone6012]

We live in an era when every conceivable point of view can be found online but only 1 can be found at universities or in the MSM. Obsolescence leads to extinction. Every time.

[@just_another32]

Accurate statement.

[@iaindennis3321]

Diversity is absolutely fine and dandy as long as you believe in what I believe.

[@rogerdorsey7823]

Science and Math please.

[@troposa]

Read Jonathan Haidt's book. The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion. Worth every cent

[@jakepreston8622]

"more and more deans" -- translates into "higher and higher tuitions"

[@roguedisciple5961]

"That's a slur not an argument." Haidt realizes what people like Stefan Molyneux have been saying about the left for years.

[@catscan2022]

That's the sort of reaction I was getting 10-15 years ago when having discussions with people. I used to react and try to defend myself as i took it personally but now I realise it's just a way to sidetrack you from the debate because their default position is to attack the viewer rather than question the view because it might mean they have to think differently if only to understand but not necessarily agree with it.

[@catscan2022]

@Tommy Boy yeah lets spoil this by bringing race hate into the debate

[@catscan2022]

@Tommy Boy tbh ive never heard of the other guy. I watched this for jonathan haidt but i would have thought his skin colour was irrelevant

[@catscan2022]

@Tommy Boy i was repkying to the comment jonathan haidt made about a slur. I didnt really need to know who stefan molyneux was but have since looked him up on youtube. Not too impressed with what ive seen so far. Seems a bit obsessed with the power of women but thats a different debate and a different youtube clip

[@catscan2022]

@Tommy Boy ok. No problem.

[@hvrtguys]

Actually there are many white kids on campus who are fed up with being called privileged white racists. There are many women who do not identify as third wave feminists because third wave feminism is corrosive. political correctness is also oppressive. I was raised a strict Calvinist and I find the current era of extreme liberalism to be every bit as stifling as my upbringing.

[@rigavitch]

Good to hear!

[@dreamsofturtles1828]

Jared D You used the word "stifling". Exactly how i felt at a Quaker meeting. I always thought of myself as pretty liberal and progressive being an artist. But i felt SO STIFLED in this group. It seemed like such a hive mindset. I tried for 4 years to fit in, finally decided im just a human not a paragon of virtue, and left.

[@jamesoneill5070]

Born in 1943 my childhood was spent with my friends playing hundreds of street games, climbing trees, jumping streams, brawling, making new friends.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

Sounds like fun! Interesting that being a kid during & just after the world's most horrible war meant a happier childhood than what many get today.

[@just_another32]

Mine was similar though I am only in my 30s. I just had what I now regard as a privilege the experience of living in a poor area and "playing out" with the other kids who lived on my street.

[@fembot521]

I used to be a left wing person and when I became more right wing in my beliefs I am suddenly attacked, I am now a racist and a misogynist. Its insane. I am the exact same person!

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

We're the same. The left just went absolutely insane.

[@just_another32]

You transgressed by deciding to think for yourself!

[@ladypinkymoe7574]

Same. I am a dark skinned person 'of colour' who used to identify with leftists, but the things you can get cancelled for these days, for having an OPINION based on FACT makes you transphobic, RACIST (hello, people call me Paki and tell me to go home all the time, and I'M racist!? lmao) and misogynistic. I don't think i am left wing or right wing anymore. I think I have sane opinions and do thorough research and don't just follow the witch-hunting mob. The left have certainly gone insane.

[@just_another32]

@@ladypinkymoe7574 I think it is possible to still be on the left but not at all identify with or be supportive of the current mainstream left. I think what has happened is they have shifted to the extreme with their identity politics. So now, if you aren't with them, it is as if you are centrist or right or far right (in their opinion) but in reality, you are still just left of centre (or wherever you were before). And after some shake up in a few years or a decade or whatever, when things are re-balanced, you'll be able to identify with the left once more. In the meantime, stay strong! Ps. I feel similarly. There is no way I can vote for Labour at the moment (I'm based in the UK) while they embrace identity politics and their leader "takes the knee" etc. It is madness and creating division and even racism where there was very little of those things beforehand. Pps. If you want a clear explanation on why you are considered racist (or complicit in racism) simply for not agreeing, feel free to check out my (one and only) video where I talk about this. :)

[@eferrari96]

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I kindly ask you to not mix being left and being a SJW. I would recommend you to watch a video from James Lindsay on Critical Theory.

[@senklower3569]

FIRE THEM ALL - and Defund these vile Institutions. The administrators who get in the way, should be ridiculed endlessly.

[@Bella-cz6od]

Someone is finally speaking logic.

[@SinuousGrace]

Wow, you don't often see the Regressive Left / SJW / PC / cultural Marxist trend discussed in this type of forum. Amazing stuff.

[@felixndayisdebologne9725]

Completely idiotic commentary. Segregation was the safe space for white folks. By that they didn't have to compete

[@just_another32]

You have to look for it :) It is out there - thanks to KZbin.

[@itWouldBeWise]

@@felixndayisdebologne9725 yea well the problem is that the SJW approach doesn't actually offer any solutions that haven't only exacerbated race relations... So there's that...

[@mazyzazie4048]

What strikes me most about this is that it was recorded in April 2017; I write this in August 2020. Now their observations are even more relevant and the situation in universities moving towards the desperate.

[@janemot2368]

Making students less wise...... He's too polite, he means, making students more stupid. 😁😁😁

[@just_another32]

Haha! That is Haidt for you. I admire him for it actually! Greetings from the UK.

[@ChristopherOrth]

Thank you for sharing these voices and viewpoints, and doing so in an intelligent and respectful manner. Our great conversation needs all these views so much right now!

[@tanler7953]

These universities sound like they come straight out of Orwell's 1984.

[@LordOfNihil]

people always got to bring up orwell when things are more brave new world than 1984. save 1984 for when all the young commies start running for office.

[@brandonchapman4922]

They are using 1984 as a manual

[@just_another32]

Mixed in with Animal Farm, yes.

[@CaptainTittus]

Such a breath of fresh air

[@just_another32]

Indeed.

[@hennakennedy]

Thank you for this. From the bottom of my heart.

[@freethought6135]

What scares me the most is that there is no dialog, therefore it's very difficult to show them the errors of their ways.

[@robertpace901]

What a great conversation and revelation about the failures of well intentioned parenting.

[@tireqw33n62]

I unfortunately took a gender study class, I could barely tolerate the 90 minutes of BS the LBGTQLMNOP professor would spout her during her rant. I am older than most students, so I am able to disagree. I remember walking out of one "session" and I heard a young man say, "I didn't know I did that." In response to lecture. He was confused. I wanted to tell him, it's because he doesn't do "that." And, "that" was making women feel objectified, the professor should be sued for making this young man feel shame of some other thing that she projected onto her student.

[@samchoi3304]

My colleague recently got attacked and bullied online for holding a bday party on the week of BLM. She was called a racist, narcissist, hypocrite, all the nasty things... i felt so bad for her. She turned her bday into a fundraiser for BLM and apologized but people were still so angry. They wanted to cancel her for good. These bullies don’t see what they are doing wrong... hopefully one day they get what they deserve.

[@membersonly807]

lol ?

[@just_another32]

My, that is an incredible story. What a crazy world we live in. I hope your friend is managing OK now? When we surrender to a mob, it doesn't end well. They just keep coming for more and expecting more. Greetings from the UK.

[@proudatheist2042]

On the week of Black Lives Matter, you mean?

[@CarShopping101]

The woke left have become the very thing that they despise most...fascists.

[@helicart]

Great discussion and urgently needed to be mainstreamed. Thanks.

[@Gabriel-lm7jw]

Intolerance in the name of tolerance, go figure!

[@samis8098]

Gabriel 1 ignorance is bliss

[@soapbxprod]

Postmodernism...

[@proudatheist2042]

It's 2022, you described The Trans Movement perfectly!

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

So true about unsupervised play - more than that, we had a whole life separate from our parents' knowledge in terms of what was going on amongst the kids. We spent hours outside quite free and unmonitored, in the town or in the country. Kids can't do it now.

[@grahvis]

I had a partner for a few years who had three sons, when I would talk about what I did when I was their age, she would often say, "Don't tell them that!" :-)

[@JOHN----DOE]

I remember reading Tom Sawyer and, except for the racism and running off to an island pretending to be dead, I recognized most of the naughty "free play" in there with no problem. Doubtless looks like science fiction to today's kids.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

@@JOHN----DOE What racism is in Tom Sawyer?

[@nilocblue]

We need more conversations like this.

[@crazycat5958]

I want more of this.

[@esprit-critique]

A short and very substantial video...one of the best on this topic.

[@PenguinJockey13]

Wow. Fantastic views. Thanks for sharing this.

[@tobyokoi0909]

Yes! Love this! As a democracy we need to better understand each other! This whole "if you're not with us you're against us" mindset has got to go! We also need to stop demonizing each other.

[@julieshrout9835]

@Toby Dominguez "If God is for you, who can be against?" Look at the biography of Jesus, Men came after him and murdered him, but God resurrected Him, and he is now sitting by his Father. Now here is another question, "Most religions say that Jesus Is God, but what did Jesus say? And how can he be sitting by God if he were God?" That would be like Me s

[@chrisnivo]

Johnathan Haidt should be a household name, he's a hero in education as far as I'm concerned.

[@charybdisontherocks]

They have really nailed the problem. What a pity they are three white men! (irony)

[@jaik195701]

Time to stop paying attention to gender

[@ColinJoseph5154]

This is a bigoted micro-aggression!! 🚨 (irony of course)

[@Gravitahn]

How do you know? They could all be trans, and you've just misgendered them. Bigot!

[@charybdisontherocks]

jaik195701 it was meant to be a joke.

[@ha6ni6el6]

Hilary Easton I: It WAS a joke, Hilary, and the humour lay in the irony of the gibberish used, as was the reply! An example of George Orwell's "Newspeak", as in "1984"!! That man, Orwell, was a genius and a true prophet, whose prophecies become daily more real, alas!! Language is the vehicle of culture, and the manipulation of language is the manipulation of culture and thought as exemplified in the appalling example of "Political Correctness"! I certainly saw the joke, which you made as well as the reply, in the same mode!! The true problem lies in the fact that some, if not many, take this nonsense seriously!!

[@profpmartin]

We fight for free range chicken, and other animals but not free range kids in schools. The point of all education is to be exposed to all sorts of ideas and people to understand ourselves and others.

[@jackwmith8445]

The cost for a year at Middlebury College to $71,830, including $55,790 for tuition and $16,040 for room and board. There is an additional mandatory student activity fee of $426. I propose that Middlebury students transfer to a community college and donate their $72,000 to needy students .

[@cavendish009]

This horror is happening in exactly the same and for the same reasons in the UK. How on earth do we change this - without being arrested for being racist, homophobic, etc.?

[@Kurtlane]

"That's a slur, not an argument." Unfortunately, slurs overwhelm all arguments. "The object of a political debate is not to defeat an opponent in an argument, but to wipe him from the face of the earth." -Lenin "Conservatives have a tendency to try to win every debate with logic and recitations of facts which all too often fail to get the job done because emotions and mockery are often just as effective as logic." - Saul Alinsky

[@raulepure9840]

Conservatives, facts? So who the fuck vote for Trump? You will not find facts on both extremes

[@jonashjerpe7421]

Well, the point of academic studies is essentially to increase students' capacity to objective speech and thinking. Facts, logic, critical thinking, wise creativity and sound arguments are what it is all about. It may not be what kills the opponent in politics, but without an educated population that respects truth and rationality our western civilization is doomed.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

Philosophers called these fallacies. Ad hominem.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

@@jimcummings7758 Free speech applied in it's most ineffective use.

[@catscan2022]

I've never seen that quote from lenin before. Wow he was uncompromising wasn't he. No lets agree to disagree comrade with him was there. And there I was thinking Stalin was the dictator

[@ambcfoxe4171]

We stopped teaching Civics in High School.

[@JonnM]

‘The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity’ WB Yates

[@steffenjensen422]

Jonathan Haidt is one of the greatest geniuses of our time

[@Aseutester]

"it's a new SJW Religion " .....Nailed it!

[@jackwmith8445]

The child raising rule of the boomer generation: be home when the street lights go on. I had a brilliant father who bought me and my brother an old boat with a 25hp outboard engine. We were out all day fishing, crabbing and exploring. Learned about engines and life along the river. We would not do anything really stupid.

[@Jonathan-ku5jj]

That's a slur, not an argument. Brilliant summation of what is not at all a surprising understanding.

[@phil5569]

The whole world needs to internalize this sort of conversation. It's so obvious to people that aren't totally nuts and people need to vocalize this particularly to people on the Left. Make them understand they aren't being virtuous, they're being pathetically fragile.

[@gggusc11]

Great video

[@Gravitahn]

Thanks!

[@robin-hr9up]

George Orwell: ‘Nineteen Eighty-Four’ Appendix **THE PRINCIPLES OF NEWSPEAK** Extract Newspeak was the official language of Oceania and had been devised to meet the ideological needs of Ingsoc, or English Socialism. In the year 1984 there was not as yet anyone who used Newspeak as his sole means of communication, either in speech or writing. The leading articles in the Times were written in it, but this was a tour de force which could only be carried out by a specialist. It was expected that Newspeak would have finally superseded Oldspeak (or Standard English, as we should call it) by about the year 2050. Meanwhile it gained ground steadily, all Party members tending to use Newspeak words and grammatical constructions more and more in their everyday speech. The version in use in 1984, and embodied in the Ninth and Tenth Editions of the Newspeak Dictionary, was a provisional one, and contained many superfluous words and archaic formations which were due to be suppressed later. It is with the final, perfected version, as embodied in the Eleventh Edition of the Dictionary, that we are concerned here. The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought - that is, a thought diverging from the principles of Ingsoc - should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words. Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and often very subtle expression to every meaning that a Party member could properly wish to express, while excluding all other meanings and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and by stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings, and so far as possible of all secondary meanings whatever. To give a single example. The word free still existed in Newspeak, but it could only be used in such statements as ‘This dog is free from lice’ or ‘This field is free from weeds’. It could not be used in its old sense of ‘politically free’ or ‘intellectually free’ since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were therefore of necessity nameless. Quite apart from the suppression of definitely heretical words, reduction of vocabulary was regarded as an end in itself, and no word that could be dispensed with was allowed to survive. Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum. Remind you of Political Correctness?

[@kevinkelly1586]

It was in 1984 (That Orwellian year) that PC originated and became intensely enforced.

[@yotubeification]

I would say that most accurately would describe the process many liberal (and by that I mean the current status quo of neoliberals and conservatives) attempt to squash all ideologies outside of itself into as few catagories as possible. Communism and Nazism become the same thing in their mind. An instituted doublethink rather than newsspeak. I myself lean towards the ideology of Syndicalism. However because of political correctness doublethink that gets quashed in with Communism. Which as stated before gets quashed in with Nazism. Though I am not a Communist and especially not a Nazi. So while Political Correctness can stifle conversation, remember it's a tool of the status quo and right now the status quo is domination of the working class by those with money and prestige.

[@jeremyg7261]

Imagine being a conservative and being so dumb and lacking in education that you don’t have any reading comprehension skills or critical thinking and you keep using 1984 as your example when it is written exactly against your political positions. Yikes.

[@RealWorldGames]

I was recently discussing the victim mentality vs institutional racism. The argument continually leveled at me was " you don't understand because you don't experience racism because you're white. You're privilege blinds you to examples of your privilege. " I would try to counter that by offering examples of African Americans with similar beliefs to me. The response I got was " those people are isolated examples and have bought into the white mentality." Essentially I can't use my own experiences as an argument because I'm white and I can't use minority experiences that support my position because those minority individuals have " bought into the white mentality."

[@spotnuk]

I had never heard of Haidt before. Brilliant guy, I'll have to watch more of him.

[@crazysnake9552]

I ate dirt as a kid. I'm not allergic to getting my hands dirty.

[@nerthus4685]

I ate my own shit once. Perhaps that is why I love watching SJW feakout videos.

[@RoadRunnerLaser]

Is Frank Bruni the plural of Frank Bruno?? ;)

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

Thank you for the OPEN MIND ! Love your channel !!

[@megg.6651]

And it is just getting WORSE.....Dr. Haidt, you called it!

[@freyfaust6218]

In my elementary and high school, a small group of bullies held most of the students in a state of fear. There was no oversight to speak of and daily violence was the rule. I was a favorite target for their abuse. When my arm got broken by one of them, I quit high-school. I am not saying I never had any trouble outside of school, but the outside world at least offered me the possibility to choose my colleagues, and walk away permanently from my detractors. What is going on is most certainly exaggerated, and it amounts to bullying in turn, now we can add mobbing. Although I generally agree with the argument, perhaps this behavior is also a result of not enough oversight or protection. I also think the erosion of the family in the US has contributed, I am a case in point, my mother evicted me when I was 15. Parents who were perhaps themselves evicted too soon unwilling or ignorant of the need for boundary setting and moral guidance their children are now demanding violently from society. I think these kids are suffering from the sense of personal injustice... their lost childhood, the lack of tabu, identity trellis etc. But this sense of unfairness has been harnessed... co-opted for other agendas. I think the way this sense of abandonment is channeled and expressed will backfire sadly, and the root cause will not be addressed.

[@dubya85]

The western cultural revolution, complete with its own version of the red guard.

[@donbags5542]

Amazing discussion. Gonna watch this several times.

[@vivianblack2799]

I worked on campus for years. I told my son that I thought that political correctness was reaching the Inquisition stage. An offhand remark, a slight deviation in opinion and it was it was "the rack" for you.

[@davidansty6450]

I call it revenge based identity politics.

[@just_another32]

Good name for it.

[@ClearVista]

I like the idea of the "Daycare Generation". In the past when a couple had a child, the mother would typically stay at home and look after the child. Now, thanks to the lie fed to women by feminism, women are pressured to abandon the child to a state-vetted stranger (the same state that you wouldn't trust anything else with btw, so why would you trust them with the most precious thing in your life?). So now, instead of these children growing up developing a one-on-one relationship with the person that loves them the most in the world; they're given over to to a stranger who has to care to 12-15 other children, who are all vying for attention. So how do you get their attention? Have a tantrum. So this person has to deal with 15 other children, all of whom are having tantrums and she just wants them to stop; so she gives in and gives them what they want. So these children are taught at a very young age to just throw a tantrum and you'll get want you want. Which explains the current generation of University students.

[@GreatRottweiler]

+David Lawson I don't think it is entirely on the daycare system but rather on the culture of exaggerated self esteem that has been going on for decades, helicopter parents and soccer moms ensuring their kids got a prize no matter if they deserved it or not, effectivelly killing meritocracy in home and classrooms. Everybody deserves a prize so their feelings won't be hurt, that's the way adults have been spoiling children for a while, creating useless individuals who aren't fit for the real world outside their emotionally sheltered upbringing, who will throw a temper tantrum everytime they don't get what they want. +Jayne Eyre Yes, that's also a fair point, which in my opinion, is tied to what I mentioned before, plus lazy parenting, letting the internet being your unpaid babysitter and social media becoming the way these young individuals get attention and self validation from other people who are as spoiled as themselves and begin to grow into this echo chamber mentality of endless ego stroking, also empowered by the sense of exaggerated self esteem that parents and school systems have been embracing for a long time.

[@TrentGustus]

I also think that there has never been a lot of thought put into education on raising children, we've had socialization but not education on psychology, parents teach kids from what they know based on their own upbringing, which at this point is scary, especially from the groups these men are mentioning

[@TrentGustus]

I also think that there has never been a lot of thought put into education on raising children, we've had socialization but not education on psychology, parents teach kids from what they know based on their own upbringing, which at this point is scary, especially from the groups these men are mentioning

[@TheKim369]

I didn't use daycare, until my husband walked out and refused to help support his kids. It's not all about feminism. Sure, feminism plays a role, but it's a complex issue. See the big picture.

[@matthewkopp2391]

It might be. Germany has psychological studies of the ill effects of the DDR daycare system. If you wish to investigate that line of thinking. I think it is inherited generational narcissism. And I mean this in Heinz Kohut's ideas of narcissism as a symptom of trauma so bad daycare maybe part of it, poor parenting in general. When a child can not create an authentic sense of self they create a false self instead underneath the false self is a very fragile self.

[@2425eryy]

Ironically there is a lack of diversity within school diversity programs.

[@stephaniestevenson9301]

I saw Haidt's point on campus, over a decade ago. I saw it coming and unfortunately I am not surprised, at all. Imagine these attitudes in a human resources department...

[@TheCenterSpirit]

I also had those freedoms growing up and it was amazing but I have misgivings about that also. 1 in 5 girls are molested in their childhood and 1 in 20 boys are. The numbers are actually believed to be higher than that. My brother was molested during those hours and hours of freedom and it has negatively effected his life permanently. The perpetrators are often reported as being friends of the family but I have noticed that "friends" of the family can be guiltily spoken code for "the people in the house down the street..." 1 in 5 girls are molested..... that means that roughly 1 in 5 of the daughters of the people who let their children run free daily are putting their children in harms way and I think that is irresponsible and reckless and stupid. 1 in 5 is no joke. Those are really high numbers. The risk is very real and very high and totally avoidable. I dont know what the answer is but I think nuance might be useful here. Fear based helicopter parenting is not the answer but neither is just letting kids roam freely prey to a whole list of predators out there looking for an opportunity. Sexual abuse is supposedly down in recent years-- you can bet SOME of that has to do with parents being more careful. Nuance is the key, not ideology from either side of the parenting debate, both sides religiously blinded by their judgments and pride of perspective.

[@pipersmitty87]

Franklins Tower you missed the point

[@ultimatenoob3]

where is your link to this data. 1 in 5?

[@HarryBalzak]

victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics That seems to be where those stats come from, but I cannot find the actual study or how they define "sexual assault". That term is thrown around so arbitrarily these days they have almost lost all meaning. Every one seems to have a different take. It sounds like they are being molested or raped, but I can't tell because it is so vague. They might use the "1 in 4 women in college are sexually assaulted" definition of "sexual assault" which included "uncomfortable leering", "cat calls", and "attempted kissing". Not sexual assault IMO. The method is far more important than the conclusions. The vast majority(over 90%) of studies are later discredited and rejected. Just because it is in a journal does mean it is true or even accurate or honest. There is enormous pressure to get articles published in journals. There is much less pressure to provide accurate data.

[@dreadcthulhu5]

That's why you also teach them to be wary of strangers and what to do when approached by one or even when someone you know tries to coerce you into things you aren't comfortable with.

[@nerthus4685]

It is the collapse of social morals combined with the heightened population. Another way to look at it is the move from religious agrarian village life to irreligious immoral city life where people run around each other like rats.

[@guillaumed.1759]

"Free-range kids" haha. Love it.

[@catscan2022]

We were though. We had the chance to become individuals so were never prone to any sort of groupthink mentality

[@Charles-hy6gp]

@@catscan2022 Well things changed for worse: more traffic, lack of sidewalks, shitty public transportation. USA is a country builded around car which cities like Dallas, Los Angeles you can't go to many places without a car

[@catscan2022]

@@Charles-hy6gp same happening here in the uk. More cars on the roads, more congestion, public transport getting more expensive to use and you take your life in your hands if you choose to cycle. It was great in lockdown though - it was like turning the clock back 40 or 50 years but now its back to square one again despite the fact a number of people are still working from home or furloughed

[@daddymcsnacks_561]

This country is ripe for the taking if this is the next generation of it's people... 🤦🏼‍♂️🤯

[@jessaroo3291]

I love listening to Haidt, and Peterson on identity politics and related topics. Thanks for the video.

[@just_another32]

I totally agree. Greetings from the UK.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

Ivy League? Adult day care?

[@peterclark4685]

This whole cancel culture movement has the vibe of living in a badly-scripted, super-bitchy, high school corridor locker area. Possibly on the first day of the new school year. It has no higher aspiration than being impregnable to hostility by being nasty first, and only. That has a certain skill-set; just not sure it can travel.

[@BusyBasaz]

Imagine a world run by gentlemen like these.

[@grendelpizzaround955]

It used to be run by men like this. In the USA the immigration laws changed so all 3rd world people could immigrate. Now the USA has the the squad in the House. People like Ilhan Omar - an anti-Semite who refused to stop FGM (going on in Michigan) and repeatedly refused condemn 911 where her citizens were slaughtered by people of her faith. Where was the Islamist terrorism in the 1900’s? Or before it didn’t exist until the 1990s when they let them into the country.

[@jjxlifts]

This was 3 years ago...and it’s still relevant.

[@RealWorldGames]

My next step will be to quote Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. when he said to a black congregation " we must raise our moral standards. Yes, there is a lot wrong with the white world, but there is alot wrong with the black world too. We can't keep blaming the white man. We must do these things for ourselves. " Perhaps the words of Dr. King will penetrate the circle of protection they've created around themselves.

[@alex-qd6of]

I don't think children are as anti-fragile as he thinks. Some are very hearty, but some are very sensitive. A stressor that might make one kid stronger will fuck up another. Treating all kids like they're anti-fragile is as problematic as treating them like they're all fragile. But an unobstructed, free range childhood...absolutely. That's a god-damned human right.

[@gregb6469]

Anyone who can't handle the expression of an opinion that differs from his/her own is too immature to be in college.

[@charlieumanzor4715]

Yeah man I think your right. All kids are different and there’s no one-size-fits-all solution though we all wish there was. But definitely, let them fend for themselves so that they gain some semblance of independence and free thought.

[@InterDimensionalLizard]

Couldn't agree more. These people know what's up.

[@sampotter4455]

Great comments from both men. I teach some courses as an adjunct faculty at two Universities and although we don't have some of the problems they discuss I do see the fragility mentioned in students and the reluctance to engage a point of view. This is an enormous problem for our society.

[@kaiserhoff1086]

Where is Middlebury College, and why would anyone care?

[@Jonsey-lm5sv]

kaiserhoff Middlebury is an expensive elite Liberal Arts college in Vermont...that churns out weak pussies with useless Gender Studies degrees.

[@corolex]

An increase in female graduates has something to do with this

[@myheartspits]

Citation needed.

[@dreadcthulhu5]

Dumbass.

[@karllieck9064]

Lo!

[@mfsperring]

Very interesting men and they do a excellent job of explaining themselves.

[@ShadowMan66]

*Also a massive problem is UN-Social media and the invention of the Smart-Phone*

[@mattgilbert7347]

There is almost zero diversity of ideas in economics. It's mostly right-wing.

[@rationaleveryman4435]

At my university(University of Utah) , the economics department is (to my displeasure) remarkably Marxist and socialist.

[@ColinJoseph5154]

Because economy's main concern is about making money, not giving it away. Heyyyoo! 😅 But naa you right, there is a massive need for redistribution of wealth concerning a disappearing middle class and crumbling infrastructure and things of that nature.

[@mattgilbert7347]

We have a serious problem in the levels of private debt, and nobody is talking about it. One financial crisis was not enough, so it seems. Meanwhile, the left are playing the identity politics game.

[@rationaleveryman4435]

No, I do not agree with redistributing wealth. I oppose Marxism and socialism on my campus. Socialism has never worked for more than a brief period of time before cataclysmic failure. Just look at Brazil in 2004 vs now. Having a socialist leader has destroyed their economy, increased debt and unemployment, and generally caused problems.

[@rationaleveryman4435]

I agree that personal debt is an issue, and I think that a decline in personal accountability is part of that, while insanely inflated medical costs and student loans are another. I cant speak to the rest, but I agree that Identity politics is absolutely not worthy of being the priority for anyone now, or possibly ever.

[@FreddyFuFu]

By the way, Trump is the greatest president ever.

[@vinnynj78]

That is a micro-aggression. You need sensitivity training.

[@ha6ni6el6]

vinnynj78 : "Sensetivity Training," is a system where idiots get paid well to turn other, previously sane people, into idiotic clones of themselves!

[@Longtack55]

Largest and tallest one-term President.

[@astrogirl9987]

Lemmy Fuque you need to learn the concept of sarcasm.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

@Susan To be safe, I'd narrow it down to best president elected in 2016 in the USA.

[@jamesart9]

Quite an intelligent, civilized and WISE conversation.

[@jakobole]

I recently had a discussion about leadership with a bunch of young women studying just that. We didn't agree, and she said "all women are smart", and I said "I've met some pretty stupid ones in my life....Eva Braun wasn't too smart either". I then left for the restroom. When I came back, the BARTENDER asked me to stay away from their table. They had asked the BARTENDER to get rid of me. Internet behaviour IRL. I told them quickly "You're old enough to drink, but but not old enough to listen to an opposing viewpoint, without calling in your "parents"......this behaviour wont get your far in life, my dear sisters and snowflakes!"

[@dukedalington]

This is so true, very interesting to watch.

[@jamesrust2871]

Excellent video. They are right about it all.

[@teresabaptista7016]

Yeah! It is the saddest situation ever. It is a transversal to all society. They gather in groups and they demand a safe place, like in a church, were no differences are allowed.They do not differ in terms of their right and left affiliation and/or believes. Confrontation is stimulated because instead of promoting and developing student's and professor's critical thinking, all they do is supplying arguments and narrowing the field of discussion. I do have questions I would like to place to Dr. Murray's theories. If I was a professor at Middlebury College I would have prepared the students to the discussion and lead a proficient debate. Unfortunately, professors are more and more kind of the tribe leaders - don't pretend you have no role in this despicable matter!

[@XavierKatzone]

The ENLIGHTENMENT! ❤️