The Sub Compact Tractor Challenge - Mahindra Emax vs. BX Kubota vs Kioti CS2210

Hey Guys,
Been awhile since we could find some time to do another video.
But a few people requested this so we did it.
Trying to be as open as possible and have no Bias.
Models we are comparing here:
Emax 22s HST Tractor w/ Loader & Backhoe
Kubota BX25 HST w/ Loader & Backhoe
Kioti CS2210 HST Tractor w/ Loader & Backhoe
We wanted to try and compare a few different machines
Let me know all your guys thoughts!
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[@heresmytake2782]

Someone get this man a personal mic

[@AmericanRusticWoodworks]

Just wanted to give a 3 year review! thanks Marshall . because of this video and you and your knowledge on mahindra I am still extremely satisfied with my emax 22 TLB....! Thanks again Marshall I could not live without it now.

[@nmflash1665]

Great video Marshal - thanks for taking the time. I have a 2015 BX25D on 9 acres and I use the hell out of it. It’s reliable as hell and tough as a 2 dollar steak! Based on this video, and others I’ve seen, the Mahindra is a pretty sweet rig as well. If you’re looking for feedback: I’d really love to see how they all handle the revolving seat. My only complaint on the Kubota is that the rotating seat is quite a hassle. Every time I need the backhoe I have to: stop, brake, jump off, swing around the chair, climb in - use the backhoe - then to move it forward: climb off the backhoe, turn around the seat, climb back on, unlock brake, move it 4-5 feet, then go through it all again to use the backhoe. It makes for a cumbersome pain in the ass (also, I’m 6’3”). It’d be helpful to see how the Mahindra and the Kioti handle it. Thanks again.

[@anthonytyler1633]

Very helpful review. I enjoyed this video and was very useful for someone that doesn't know a lot about tractors. You gained a subscriber today.

[@aaron-sonjapenrod4041]

What is the dump clearance on these and the newer Kubota. All the way up on the loader with the bucket turned down to check clearance for dumping into a pickup bed. Thanks for the review!

[@bigdee8497]

U did a fine job young brother

[@garyfaulk2668]

How exposed to damage are the hydraulic steering cylinders on these machines?

[@tonysicily2687]

A great vid, thank you. Quick question. You concentrated on the Back hoe and shovel, but very little info on the ‘tractor’ aspects. How are they at ploughing and tilling?

[@mp40submachinegun81]

well... shit i took one of our old plows and cut 2 furrows off and my bx struggles with it lol the things boredom will make you do

[@ericvanzeyl4483]

Kind of wondering cost difference. I do like the wider stance on the Mahindra though. Good presentation, I do wonder if you can do a forklift attachment as I might need to flood pallets in the future.

[@AmericanRusticWoodworks]

Because of your videos being so informational I will see you in two months for my new tractor thank you very much sir!

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

I appreciate the kind words. I look forward to helping you find the right tractor for your needs, and look forward to meeting you.

[@terryharndon301]

Showing how the seat moves from driving to backhoe would have been good

[@markpringle5823]

Are rear mowers options for these tractors?

[@creedkisling233]

Nice review very informative. Wish the BX was newer but still great review.

[@jazzmeup1]

Kioti seems to be a serious contender from what I have seen around.

[@andrewseamans1419]

I'm buying a small homestead .60 acres would the CS2210 be a good fit for tilling,mowing, and snow removal? Thanks

[@666evilspyder]

That was long but good to know that Kubota is the one everybody copies and their 8 year older tractor was still head to head. Glad to know that they make their own engines so parts won't be a problem long into the future and my yard will be happy that they are the lightest too. I appreciate the push in the right direction and if we lived close to you I would give your place an opportunity to sell and service our new sub compact. Hopefully a little more sunny videos in your future. Dava M Illinois

[@kevincosma7945]

I have found everybody buys a Kubota for the name. But, Kioti definitely gives you more bang for the buck! In addition, I think it's much better engineered and designed. The ergonomics of controls, and more foot room is a real plus. Kioti has made a huge dent in the market share of Kubota. And at some point I think they'll even be equal

[@ambrosehowell2564]

I purchased a Kubota yesterday. And Kubota does sell a beautiful full cab now.

[@nocoolname32]

did you get the drop on, or the version that gets assembled?

[@arbuckleoakshomestead6800]

Hi Marshall You didn't include a price comparison.

[@eddevarona8448]

Where are these three made? Nice comparison video. I heard what you said about the kubota being a little older and the mahindra also not being the latest model. I’d like to know where they are made and if possible an approximate price range for the three brands for these very similar models. Being that they are all very similar in size and functionality, I think price and dealer proximity would be the major determining factors. Also, since you sell all three brands can you make mention of warranties for them? Thanks.

[@jurgentraude4365]

Good info, thanks!

[@glennwilliams15]

Thank you sir.

[@reddrumpi]

Looking tractors now, this was very helpful.

[@tomm9860]

I have a KIOTI and love it.

[@Danny-ev5ni]

I think it was a great review. We all know there is a new and improved Kubota bx23s, you just compared with what you had in the yard. Well done bud.

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Apprechiate the kind words! Exactly that! We wish we had the BX23s on the lot!

[@reganmorben9248]

You definitely helped me out a lot, I saw how skinny and terribly designed the Kioti BH is, man that looks like something I could build all by myself with some square tubing, and then seeing the beefiness of the Kubota back hoe compared to the Mahindra really helped me rule out a couple of brands of TLBs. I really wish you had rehearsed that before shooting it, that you had done it on a hard surface, and that you had pulled out a measuring tape for the FEL and BH. If you're curious I'm now deciding between the MF CG1720, the Kubota BX23s, and the LS MT125. I've ruled the Kioti, Mahindra, and JD out for poor quality, poor performance, and/or pricing reasons. LS is building a dalership right beside the Kubota dealer here in Southern Alberta and I cannot ignore the $23,900 CAD price tag for a brand new TLB with a 60" mower. The build quality is impeccable and the backhoe is heavier than all the others which means you'll be dragging your machine around a lot less when digging. The LS loader also has the highest lifting ability of all of the TLBs. As far as I can see the Kubota is a sweet piece of equipment, the cam-lock BH attachment system, drivers seat removable FEL, and the fender mounted FEL controls are all really nice innovations and its well built with a great motor, however, it is only upper middle of the pack (at best) in terms of overall performance... And ironically just like you would with JD, with Kubota you'll pay significantly more for the name and paint color.

[@bones549]

Thanks good video on a side by side

[@mikeparent2813]

All good units , where’s the deer and Massey , plus the new 80 series Kubota’s have many new upgrades , that’s and older 25D ......! I purchased a new 23S and it’s been great so far , choose the one you like no matter the colour and have fun as all of these are great units . Having a good reputable dealer nearby makes a world of difference and it could be the deciding factor of your purchase. Have fun and be safe cheers 🍻

[@ya472]

My brother borrowed my BX25 for a few hours work, so he has very little operator experience. Because of convenience, he borrowed a friend's Deere. His opinion was the Deere was less intuitive and more difficult to use.

[@hans-jurgenwiegand7465]

I’ve been running backhoes, rubber tired & tracked, for over 40 years, with buckets big enough to load up any of these machines, and I still say Dealer Satisfaction, trumps everything! Personally, I don’t think I would like running any of them, without a cab, heater & air conditioning. Just had cancer removed from my face, & new batteries installed in my hearing aids! I would buy one for a toy, instead of a radio controlled one, just for fun, & frustrations. They are big enough to cost you expensive outlays, if you tear up the wrong utility! Think insurance, as part of your cost. Very interesting & informative video, thanks! Got to get in bed, skin Dr. Appointment, in the morning!👍🏻🤩💵

[@justingregoris3164]

does the mahinda emax 20 hst tractor have at least 2 extra/vacant hydraulic ports in its rear to allow a backhoe thumb with hydraulic option so the backhoe thumb can be operate hydraulically back and forth via oil and using a hand lever or pedal? thanks for any replies!

[@gonzalosanabria2251]

It does, I own one

[@strangerdanger1271]

Nice review. Good to see someone lay any bias aside and try to be honest as possible. The one thing I don't like about the Mahindra is how the hydraulic cylinders on the bucket are exposed to be struck by things that fall off the back of the bucket.

[@KiotiCS]

Nice to see you having the Kioti in with them to compare the difference i was told my engine was a daedong in my cs2410 i will have to look but great video ! if i had the money i would take one of ea. they are all nice tractors !! have a great day ! Kioti Curt :-)

[@forcesightknight]

I have a 2410 as well, have you have many problems? Mine has been nothing but

[@KiotiCS]

​@@forcesightknight Hi sorry did not see your post and so for just the wire on the fuel shutoff broke and it would not start but now i think my key switch is going out or a safty switch you get on and turn the key just clicks and dose not turn over some times ! so now i have to find and fix that ! what have you had problems with ?? Kioti Curt :-)

[@forcesightknight]

@@KiotiCS my start system had problems as well. A wire somewhere went bad so I added a button start under the seat. I've also gone thru 2 hydraulic cylinders for the bucket, the rod pulled out from the inner plug threads. I ordered my new replacement from northern hydraulics. The rod length is shorter but the rod has twice the diameter. My hydraulic controls had a bad mount, whomever assembled it only used 2 bolts to mount it and the crappy steel they used eventually fatigued and failed, I machined a new one from a piece of actual angle iron. I am currently machining a new mount for the drive rod that goes to the front end 4x4 system. The U mount that the flange and bearing mount to sheared off at the bottom of the U. For that I am using a pie email of box steel that I have had to grind down to accommodate for the flywheel because I have it running across to the other side. I may have to remove it and rework it if a want to mount a mower deck. While down there is noticed the the frame is cracked right by the welds that are there. All of this and it and it only has a little over 300 hours. Unfortunately the warranty is up. I'm also having a fault code of three long, three short and the dealer would take tell me what it is, only to bring good it in so they can look at it. Now I know what a junky must feel like when their drug dealer won't hook them up anymore. I just need a fix.

[@KiotiCS]

@@forcesightknight Sorry to hear that mine has just over 200 hr on it the 4x4 has been fine just starting problems but it runs good and the backhoe is nice and it runs a tiller good too !

[@forcesightknight]

@@KiotiCS I looked into the backhoe, for the price I think I'm going to go with a stand alone trailer trencher of comparable size. That way I can do twice the work in half the time without resetting the system. I can have the trencher on the truck and move dirt with the bucket of the tractor. HE sells one, but I'm going with a DR or somthing made in the good ol USA,made with actual steel and not whatever crap is coming from Asia.

[@jameyboyd8053]

What’s the resale value between them

[@one-of-us9939]

You and your crew did a great job... Thanks!

[@countypoe1644]

What about after the sale service from Mahindra, or Coyote?

[@ronaldsmith7601]

Kubota! Nothing is better!!!

[@alainstasse4602]

Not a fair comparison considering you're measuring an 8 year old Kubota up against new Mahandras and Kiotis. The new 23s is a far better and improved model and would have been a more honest comparison.

[@mitkostoynevstoynev3183]

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[@toprob20]

@random epic videos He goes on for ten minutes proclaiming the absence of bias before he notifies us that he's comparing the newest tractors that he sells to a decade old competitor... But just to reiterate no bias!

[@hermitrob5481]

thats not fair he says several times the Kobota is much older, and has many more updates and fixes since its production! Cut the guy some slack, tryin to give everyone the 411

[@hermitrob5481]

I've used em all as well, in rural Maine no less, and they are all very comparable! Nothin wrong with being loyal to your machine, kubota a killer ride, but they're all nice rigs. And you definitely pay 10-15% more for the Kubota name! Like Rolex and Omega, Omega is just as nice as timepiece as Rolex all day long, better in many cases, but your paying close to double for the name! Just sayin

[@booifojoe]

@@zenozeno4339 I think you have a hydraulic leak.

[@michaelmactavish1728]

my faviorate kubota

[@jorgemurillo8759]

Can a grasa cutter ve attached to these

[@ericnusser2647]

What is the average starting price on the tractors?

[@Travide]

What would be your pick if you had to buy one? And why? Also what about resell? Looking at getting one to clear cabin lots and work around home, would like to to be reliable and long lasting. I have no experience in these nor do I know anything about them. Your input would be great.

[@forcesightknight]

Don't get a kioti, I have one it's nothing but problems.

[@Travide]

@@forcesightknight really. Is yours new?

[@forcesightknight]

@@Travide it only had 30 hours on it when I got it. Warranty wasnt "transferable " according to the dealership. It's got like 200 hours on it now, and first thing to go was the mount on the hydraulics. It only had 2 bolts where there should have been 4. Right now it won't start due to a safety short somewhere. Tried to brute start with an auxiliary button and still won't start. I'm trouble shooting every wire and I've had to break down the rear end to get to the wires. It could be the solinoid but the dealer hasn't got back with a price for it. Or a new air filter, or oil filter, which needs changing for many hours now. I have a fault code of 3 long 3 short. They won't tell me what it is unless I bring it in. I feel like a crack head trying to get a fix from my "dealer". So my experience with this thing has not been good, concerning working on it. When it's running, I do get stuff done, but it's been done now longer than I've had it running. I hope this answers some questions on its viability.

[@texaspecanderosa]

Good job Mr. Kirby -- Just ignore the trolls, your review was indeed helpful!

[@richardglandus1576]

Très belle vidéo Trois beau tracteurs Ils sont différents mais super équipés , l'idéale serait de les essayer pour faire son choix👍👍👍

[@bigoldburb]

Fantastic comparison with great info. Really helpful. It's a struggle to listen/watch the video though due to low/poor quality audio. Perhaps consider investing in a lapel-mic or shotgun mic.

[@Oztralianmade]

Thanks for the video .. though outdated it still provided good info and things to lookout for .. greetings from the bottom of Australia . .

[@PhotoBobBarker]

The current BX does have a dealer-installed glass cab available.

[@jagx234]

Actually, pretty damn fair assessments. Color me impressed.

[@eloygonzalez4015]

Very good comparison just wish you would have shown how to turn the seat

[@cijoykjose]

Mahindra is better among all in my observation.. they came new with a lot of features .. the price to performance of Mahindra is great..

[@madmax-xv7sj]

Should show on your future vids the difficulty levels if any, on uninstalling and installing the fel and backhoes on these tractors, by the way good job on the vid!

[@rclamb04]

May have missed it but I didnt hear anything about service, cost part availability etc.

[@horseblinderson4747]

You can look your parts up for Kubota even for that outdated 10 year old and just type the parts numbers into eBay.

[@kalvindizzle4058]

hes not gonna bring that up as it is a large downfall for Mahindra. they out source large portions of there tractors tym might as well have there name on the side of this thing.

[@brandonbentley4413]

You can get ag tires on some BXs and cabs are available on the new ones. Also the loaded moves on the BX at idle, that one seems worn out.

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Current Bx's do not offer true ag tires. Cab is something that was just released and we learned is now available, however it has not been an option for many years! Only aftermarket. But also keep in mind the cabs are only dealer installed, not factory cabs!

[@ciscofreak73]

Like how you stress the Mahindra WILL have a two armrest seat but repeatedly state throughout the video we are not talking about the current models and there's no bias. Right. The Kubota has had the skidsteer quick attach STANDARD since 2017. Face it, Kubota eats your lunch every day haha!!

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Just got the new emax in with dual arm rests in to eat my lunch on lol. The quick attach was not a standard feature for awhile. We were unaware of it becoming standard. Kubota makes a decent sub compact tractor, there is a reason they sell so many. No need to get ur feathers all ruffled

[@robertchambers9237]

What’s the price difference on the tractors

[@adamholbrook2281]

would be nice to show the controls and instruments, thanks for the videos

[@erikvaldur3334]

Kubota does offer R1 or Ag tires. Ya didn't mention emissions at all. I worked at a Kubota dealership for a few years til 2016. (Parts sales) I was always told Mahindra didn't have DEF systems because their motors were built to run clean enough without . Don't know if that's true or not.

[@samueltractorton2088]

I like the video!

[@tombutland3226]

Ground clearance?

[@jetdr]

Mahindra is 7,000$ more in this configuration than the Kioti. Also the Kioti has a metal hood. I have one, wouldn’t trade it for anything.

[@HoneyBeagle]

The kioti does not have a metal hood unless you have a different model maybe I just test drove one yesterday and the cs was plastic

[@davidclark8286]

A new BX 80 series would blow the other two machines out of the water. And Kubota’s engine is legendary. The best of the best

[@jeffquinn5653]

I think you could easily say their engines are all well regarded.

[@kevincosma7945]

I hear people say they are "the best" , but when you compare the Kioti features and engineering to the Kubota, it's no competition. Kioti has passed and surpassed Kubota in quality and design. That's why they have taken a huge percentage of kubota's market share as well

[@forcesightknight]

I have a kioti 2410 with less than 500 hours, just had to have welding work done on it. The steel is not hardened, very brittle. It has the power, but with a weak frame I'm looking at more welding work in the future.

[@dkenney3076]

Proce for mahimdra? With cab

[@williamhaynes7089]

Mahindra model is made by TYM... i have that one as a TYM 254.. great unit

[@ggarden8432]

What's your take on the single cylinder dump/curl for the loader.

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

They are all sub compact tractors and for the most part the 3 cylinder loaders work great. But the 4 piston will definitely increase the loader lift capacity and stability on loader lifting.

[@kcdakrt]

i service sub compacts for a living. there really is no need for a 4 piston system on a frame of this size. these units dont have a lot of break out force. theyre good for moving gravel and mulch.

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Dual piston Mahindra loader has 2k lb break out force kubota 3 cylinder and cs series 3 cylinder loaders have around 1000-1.4k lbs break out force. So there is a difference. But I would agree on a tractor this size it is not necessary to have a 4 piston loader. But the 4 piston will give a slight advantage.

[@marke2905]

I own a 2016 Emax 22 with a 3 piston loader. It's specs are exactly the same as the 4 piston. Works great.

[@johnnystieferman6527]

the prices if they were all new would be nice.

[@jesseskidmore3366]

Ive been doing a lot of shopping... they all seem to be around the same price point.

[@sxscustom]

Funny how this guy is showing a old model BX kubota to other competitors. The kubota actually has a higher reach then all of them, rides better, best reliability in its class, and holds its value then any of the others. This guy is doing some weird picture angles and not saying facts. Look up online and compare real facts before you buy. This guy is just a honest jon

[@freedomlawnservice1987]

Everything true except compared to John deere

[@Gongdeadman]

Nice comparison....time to call Kubota dealer..

[@allencolvin656]

I am sold on the mahindra, but what a rough start!

[@torrysteffen8151]

Very helpful! Thank you.

[@mikemilton404]

I KNOW I didn't see him walk under that raised bucket. Another point just because the mahindra has 4 cylinders does not make it lift faster.2 of those were to dump the bucket.

[@kennethbailey2616]

Good video

[@timradke7775]

Glad I got a kubota , they also have a drive over deck option, and glass cab , that’s what I got with heat

[@carlosjoelgarcia3200]

Such wonderful information and educational... Specially for us 1st timers. A kind suggestion: A Lapel Microphone will improve your Audio tremendously. Small investment for improved quality video.

[@chezlerq4478]

Well, you sold me on Kubota.

[@frijoli9579]

lol, hope that was sarcasm

[@ickes7846]

Ok so it's later 2019 and I'm looking at sub compacts Kubota, John Deere, and Massey Ferguson. I've been told by some dealers that Kubota doesn't scoop or dig like their machine, that kubota hydraulics are under rated and or weak. I don't want a good priced loader backhoe combo that has terrible scoop and dig performance. Any suggestion?

[@derekdreke4990]

I think in my honest opinion the Mahindra's are a hard machine to beat especially if you just want a real tractor at the end of the day

[@Confederatemule]

I'd have to go with the Mahindra. Thanks for the video.

[@GotrekGurninsson]

Mahindra sorted their electrical yet? Had one loved it but always had non stop electrical issues. Dealer fixed but after 4 separate issues I sold it.

[@lh98]

Gotrek12345 which Mahindra and what year? 4 issues over how long?

[@poorfatman5317]

What about price

[@missionron]

I thought you were going to actually do a comparison. The lift capacity shoukd have been an actual test.

[@chrismaze3441]

I have a 78 hinomoto sub compact 2 cylinder diesel 12 HP

[@richardreed8091]

You can keep that kabota,the kioti is by far the best tractor for the money.Tym is a close second and even more economical and unmatched lift capacity

[@leethurston4774]

Pricing?

[@DB.KOOPER]

Kubota... the answer is always Kubota. They're the Toyota Hilux of the tractor world and they're just better made then the others.

[@user-eb1ce5sw4w]

What’s the parts availability,and durability

[@Windyhillfarm71]

Great video but would like to know what the difference in price.

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Thanks for the comment. Pricing varies dealer to dealer. and in different areas of the country. However I can tell you all 3 of these machines will be priced in the 18,500-24,000 range depending on current promotions and financing options and estimated dealer markup.

[@georgespangler1517]

Pretty clear Kubota got it right in the beginning and kept it that way.

[@jah457]

Very good review

[@lonecrusaider]

love my Kioti CS 2210.

[@MrBubinski777]

Lol comparing an old Kubota to two brand new tractors makes me want a Kubota more.

[@McScott76]

That's because the only way to find a comparably priced Kubota is to buy an old one with high hours. The premium cost doesn't stop there. The parts are ridiculously high too.

[@cobey24]

Nice machines.... BUT, IMO, a Massey Ferguson GC1710/1720TLB is superior to all of these many ways and is probably more reasonably priced. If your in the market for a compact, do your homework, decide the best machine for your needs and DO include the Massey in your search...

[@perk.isaksen7765]

Hmmm...Is`nt that another Iseki?

[@jtbro7644]

I think the biggest difference is what the cost and attachments you get. There all good tell something brakes.

[@ranchitosantos5165]

Which tractor is a better quality and more reliable tractor, Kioti or a Massey Feeguson?

[@cz5899]

Dude , i suggest, and this is me , you want to compare, do a full 8 hr day , plowing , shredding, digging, then i would say at this point you had a decent amount of comparison of the three , just a suggestion...

[@Derek_00Mustang83]

Biggest thing i noticed was how quiet the kioti was when starting and running

[@orchardhillfarmequipment4347]

Nice observation! The kioti is definitely the most quiet!

[@aaronatk930]

I've got a cs2410. Its quiet and runs strong. I really do love it. It's a great tractor and it's far better built than I expected.

[@leroystepp1628]

I know nothing about these, on here learning, but yea sounds way better

[@jaybee2344]

Well if ya add closed cell foam insulation under the hood. It will make a huge difference.

[@MrBubinski777]

Not compatible to a NEW Kubota,. That one is nearly a decade old...

[@thomasheer825]

Actually your comment on Kubota being the first, sorry Case was building these tractors as early as the early 70's. They didn't have 3 point hitches but other than that they are the same. If you want verification I can send you a picture of my old Case 6018, yes it is beat to hell but it works.

[@73leo73]

I'll take the kioti

[@heresmytake2782]

yep

[@Leafs171]

73leo73 nope

[@Carocade]

Same Here - I have a CK3510 and it is amazing

[@TimsMemories]

Kubota 80 series all the way

[@jamesmanley6721]

this is a very good video where a man takes 20 min to explain that the difference between these three tractors is a 2 min conversation at best

[@joevecchiojr7553]

I didn’t hear you say what fuel was used in each unit

[@ericortis3933]

its diesel...

[@shakessld]

best 3 way comparison I've seen. thank you

[@scottr8495]

I didn’t hear a mention that the Kubota hydraulic lines are not exposed like the other 2 tractors. The loader and backhoe lines on the Mahindra and Kioti could easily be smashed or caught on a tree limb and broken. Whereas the Kubotas lines are ran inside the frame of the loader and backhoe.

[@allencolvin656]

I am sure somone could custom fabricate a tin box to cover around part of it and bolt it on somehow

[@darnellvassar3959]

I need one

[@qfdforme]

Where is the 1025r?

[@actionjackson9290]

I wish you added a price comparison so we're comparing apples with apples. I like to know the servicing required by each models. Which one is the Fiat of tractor world? Fiat stands for "Fix it again Tony"!

[@thisislargemouth5566]

Deere is tractor Fiat for sure.

[@allenhenry1113]

why not test with Yanmar against these?

[@connorvelthuis2221]

allen Henry he was just using what’s on the lot of his dealership.

[@sideskraft]

Or Branson or Tym or LS? Frankly I'm not aware of a Yanmar dealer within 50 miles of me.