Kioti CS VS. Mahindra E Max Side by Side in depth walkover and comparison.

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Kenton Equipment

Kenton Equipment

Күн бұрын

Nathan at Kenton Equipment Company, Northern KY/Greater Cincinnati's 5 Paw Premier Kioti Dealer, going over the Kioti CS2220 and pitting it against the Mahindra E Max 20S in a subcompact shootout!
SPEC SHEET-
Total Package Weight- Kioti CS2220H 2,633lb/Mahindra EMAX 20S-2,396
Loader Lift Capacity- Kioti CS2220H 1,062lb to 73.7"/Mahindra EMAX 20S- 617lb to 71.3"
3pt Hitch Lift Capacity 24" Off Ball Ends-Kioti CS2220H 700lb/Mahindra EMAX 20S-680lb
Engine Displacement-Kioti CS2220H - 61.5 CI/Mahindra- EMAX 20S- 60.6CI
Engine HP-Kioti CS2220H 21HP/Mahindra EMAX 20S- 19.4HP.
PTO HP-Kioti CS2220H- 16.3HP/Mahindra EMAX 20S-14.2HP
Fuel Tank Capacity-Kioti CS2220H- 6.7 Gallons/Mahindra- EMAX 20S- 6.6 Gallons
Hydraulic Pump Capacity Flow Rate- Kioti CS2220H0- 6.97GPM/Mahindra- EMAX 20S-6.2GPM
Warranty- Kioti CS2220H-6 year powertrain, 2 year bumper-bumper with no hour limits. /Mahindra- EMAX 20S- 7 year powertrain w/3,000 hour limit, 2 year bumper-bumper w/2,000 hour limit.

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@ididiesel1
@ididiesel1 Жыл бұрын
The radiator behind the motor pulls air from the steering column by your feet and pushes the hot air out of the front of the tractor. That configuration is actually cooler on the operator than the kiotis setup.
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 Жыл бұрын
Same on my Kubota BX
@MrMelvinkennedy1
@MrMelvinkennedy1 Жыл бұрын
A lot colder on the legs in the winter
@sheilamclaughlin963
@sheilamclaughlin963 Жыл бұрын
Always something, don’t get along with heat, can wear coveralls in winter as I have to regularly
@clintgage6801
@clintgage6801 2 ай бұрын
Love the vids! Starting a lean care co and a LOT of your vids have help me fix, maintain and get equipment ready.
@gonzalosanabria2251
@gonzalosanabria2251 9 ай бұрын
Mahindra has a Yammar engine and with loader, mower and backhoe out the door price is $27,500. It’s a beast of a reliable workhorse machine
@BD-oe4ht
@BD-oe4ht 8 ай бұрын
I bought mine for that reason and because the dealership experience was way better.
@PilotLifeNet
@PilotLifeNet 7 ай бұрын
27500 for the smallest tractor? even with TLB that does not seem like a good deal.
@madtater5948
@madtater5948 Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing the video ,I own a rx7320 had it for about a year it's been a great tractor, really like that little kioti in your video the specs are best in its class
@UPWAY2HIGH
@UPWAY2HIGH Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Nathan. I got a quote from a Hawaii dealer on a CS 2220 with mid-mount mower and loader delivered to Kawaihae Harbor in Hawaii for $30,000. I just requested a quote from a California dealer. I'm hoping it comes in a lot cheaper. I've gotten quotes on equipment on Island that are much more than I can buy from California even after factoring in the cost of shipping. Your price is very reasonable.
@kevin-gs7jn
@kevin-gs7jn 10 ай бұрын
I like that the pedals are side by side on the kioti, it's a small thing but it's a lot more efficient than the heel pedal for reverse, for my needs anyway.
@jeffwyatt7199
@jeffwyatt7199 10 ай бұрын
When you talked about serviceability, you missed the battery. The kioti has it right at the front. You have to remove the panel under the steering wheel to access it on the Mahindra.
@user-rr6uy7ze3w
@user-rr6uy7ze3w 10 ай бұрын
BOUGHT MY 2022 e-max20s in 2022 for $18K with a bucket and backhoe. This little yard tractor is a beast. Have had no issues . Only thing i did not like was having to take the back wheel off to pull the bar in order to install the 3 point hitch, but it pulld my 1700 pound trailer around my yard like there is nothing attached. If tyou are going to compare tractors try one with the same horsepower and weight.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 10 ай бұрын
I think it's more logical to compare tractors that are the same price. Would I compare a King Ranch F350 to a base model Ram 1500? Of course not, but if they cost the same...which one would you buy?
@user-rr6uy7ze3w
@user-rr6uy7ze3w 10 ай бұрын
So you are telling me that this Kioti cost less than the Mahindra with a bucket and backhoe? @@kentonequipment4687
@anthonylandrum63
@anthonylandrum63 10 ай бұрын
Thank you
@frijoli9579
@frijoli9579 8 ай бұрын
Love the idea of the Kioti, absolutely HATE the forward reverse pedal rockers on the Mahindra, just like the Kubota. Kioti in a heart beat just just for that.
@copierdude78
@copierdude78 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video comparison. I actually looked at both and ended up with the CS2520. So far with loaded rear tires it has done more then my larger CK20 trade in did. Very impressed with this little machine.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
The CK20 was a great model, but in its HST form was underpowered for the size. These little guys will outwork your expectations!
@chezlerq4478
@chezlerq4478 Жыл бұрын
Piss poor video comparison. The Kioti CS2520 and the Mahindra Emax 20S aren't even in the same class. Should have been comparing it to a bigger, more equal model. Then the price difference would have been HUGE. Performance and capabilities would be similar. All Mahindra Sub-Compact and Compact tractors are Way over priced. Their implements are too. Don't know why Anybody would buy one.
@chasesimpson9616
@chasesimpson9616 Жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned that armrests are available for the CS - I love mine!
@tomm9860
@tomm9860 5 ай бұрын
He did he said they were $100.oo dollars more1 Crazy money for arm rest.
@BrickyardPowerMan
@BrickyardPowerMan Жыл бұрын
I'm a Kubota guy and quite happy with it. Really enjoyed this video - well done!
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 Жыл бұрын
Me too ! Happy with my BX
@Nathan-kq2ec
@Nathan-kq2ec Жыл бұрын
The BX is so thoughtfully engineered, and high quality. Like Honda vs Kia, both get the job done, but the Honda is better engineered, and higher quality.
@subixbarbarasson6052
@subixbarbarasson6052 Жыл бұрын
Great vid man. Do you have any vids on root rake grapples? I have a TYM 254 with the 3rd funktion. But the grapple they sold it with is kinda useless kompared to a root rake style. I'm looking at a Titan S/48". My only koncearn is the weight and the design of only 3 teeth on the top klaw. I operate a Kubota L2900 for my boss at his place. It is outfitted with a land pride root rake grapple. I wanna say a 5 foot ≈. That machine is ruthless on brush. Once you get the hang of approach etc. Anyways. Just kurios as to your opinion on a lighter root rake grapple for smaller sub kompakt traktors. Thanks. I subbed to your channel.
@ekennebago
@ekennebago Жыл бұрын
Actually a Shibaura chassis. One of the best small tractor designs ever.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the Kioti or the Mahindra? The new Kioti is on a different chassis than the 10 series. It's completely Kioti-made now.
@chadbinette3201
@chadbinette3201 3 ай бұрын
Right from the start before any talking points just by sight It looks like the kioti loader is a lot beefier than the Mahindra. And I can't stand a hood that comes forward unless you can take it right off like lawn tractors but if your just cleaning out the air filter or checking something quick the forward hood seems to be a pain, can the good open with the loader down? I'll be honest I'm never working on my tractor with the loader up.
@michaelabsher8341
@michaelabsher8341 Жыл бұрын
My Kioti 2610 steering shaft simply snapped one day. Its about a 1 in diameter, snapped right where I c clip was machined and was clearly a manufacturer defect, they wouldn't cover it under warranty (less than a year old). I've also saw other metal parts bend easy, some being thick, some not that thick. he also mentions thicker metal..well...the grill gaurd..mines thick, bends super easy! Overall I'm "ok" with it cause other models are pricey. but I'll be selling it soon anyways, I'm looking to downsize, not upsize. I should also note I had to replace me "easy to replace" radiator from a stick going into it..so...
@paulbooth7079
@paulbooth7079 Жыл бұрын
I suggest you compare apples to apples. The Mahindra eMAX22L is the more comparable to the Kioti CS2220. I looked at both and chose the eMAX22L.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
I think it's wiser to compare dollar to dollar- and locally, these 2 units are the same price. You've proved my point though. The CS2220 severely outclassed the EMAX20s. You'd have to buy the next class higher Mahindra to be apples-apples with the Kioti.
@paulbooth7079
@paulbooth7079 Жыл бұрын
@@kentonequipment4687 Dollar for Dollar where I live the Mahindra eMAX22L is cheaper locally than the Kioti CS2220. Price wise it's reasonable to compare the next class higher which would be Dollar for Dollar. not the only Mahindra unit available.
@joshshaw6505
@joshshaw6505 Жыл бұрын
Im thinking about buying a sud compact tractor before this winter im looking at a kioti cs 2520 or kubota bx series can there be a more in depth video of a kioti cs2520 what brand of engine is in the cs2520 kioti
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
I have a video going over the CS units further back in our list. The Kioti engine is Daedong (who is the parent company of Kioti). They make the whole tractor in the same place.
@Orefamilylawncare
@Orefamilylawncare Жыл бұрын
While the kioti is able to lift 1k lbs the tractor itself is not ideal weight to hold itself to the ground. We can play a numbers game all we want but hit the wrong bump in the yard and 1k on the front could be nasty quickly. With all that said I just purchased a emax20s only because it felt more stable than the kioti. I think both would be a great choice for a first time tractor owner.
@samskaj3051
@samskaj3051 8 ай бұрын
How are you liking the emax
@Orefamilylawncare
@Orefamilylawncare 8 ай бұрын
@@samskaj3051 so far so good. Has done everything I have asked from it and I use it for my landscape business.
@Orefamilylawncare
@Orefamilylawncare 5 ай бұрын
​@@samskaj3051yes it does well for my needs
@jamesbrayall8288
@jamesbrayall8288 Жыл бұрын
i think the cs25 is good but some of the stuff i would do i would need 2610
@ryanlagoda1352
@ryanlagoda1352 10 ай бұрын
You said Kioti manufactures all of it own parts? My Mahindra Emax22L has the same exact 60" fabricated belly mower that the larger Kioti 25hp model utilizes which is actually an Ameriquip Product. When comparing these two specific sub compacts the Kioti does seem better..kinda a no brainier. But in regards to that underhood shock..those little gas shocks never last especially in under hood applications like on cars. That thing will fail one day and that hoods slamming down. That strap on the Mahindra will probably outlive the tractor lol
@billgates-xr9hs
@billgates-xr9hs Жыл бұрын
I just bought a cs 2220 backhoe forks an bucket loader 27500 nh
@mattfarr1323
@mattfarr1323 2 ай бұрын
Why not the CS2210 vs the Mahindra?
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 2 ай бұрын
Because locally the 2220 is the same or less money than the E Max 20s. The 2210 would be even less, but I don't really stock those.
@dieseldood
@dieseldood 4 ай бұрын
I know this is a year old video, but by chance could you stir the pot and do the same comparison with a 1025R? I just made a 3 stop pricing shop. The big 3 in my area, Kioti, Deere (biggest, by far) and Kubota. All 3 set up the same, Tractor, Mower, Snow blower, Front End loader and cab. You'd fall out of your chair at the difference! AND Specs, the Kioti beats the other 2 like a drum!
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 4 ай бұрын
Man, i'd love to. I've had 1025R trade-in models since i've gotten into the video world, but haven't always had the time to record. The most frustrating thing about JD tractors is that they take a GREAT driveline and cover it in a cheap plastic lawnmower operators station. I had a 3 year old unit with less than 500 hours where the cruise control lever broke off in my hand. The Kioti operators station components are shared with the big tractors. Look at the key switch, cruise control switch, and levers. Look at the plastic compared to steel! Then look at the money. It's crazy what they get for them.
@chezlerq4478
@chezlerq4478 Жыл бұрын
MUCH better engine access on the Mahindra. The Mahindra Takes air FROM your leg area and pushes it through the radiator from back to front. The fan is blowing across the engine, not your legs. Your comparing Mahindra's smallest and cheapest sub. 19 HP plain-Jane to a Kioti 25 HP Deluxe model. How fair is that??? You should compare equal tractors, then talk about the difference in price. You should not compare the two you are comparing. They are in different classes. Try, instead, the Mahindra E-Max 25L about $26,000. The Kioti you are pricing, is not the model you are showing. You are pricing a CS2220, and showing AND comparing a CS2520. Also you are comparing Kioti's Very heavy SL2420 Loader to Mahindra's cheapest loader. Use Kioti's cheapest loader if you are comparing to Mahindra's cheapest loader. (Kioti's SL2410 loader can only lift 675 lbs. to full height.) Compare apples to apples. You don't have to cheat and be so OBVIOUSLY biased to beat the pants off Mahindra. Just tell it like it is. Then quote prices. Kioti wins, Hands down. You make me Not want to deal with you. I'll go find a Rural King/(TYM), or L S dealer and just shop for price before I'd buy from you. For you to cheat and show so much Bias, When You Don't NEED to; I could never trust you to buy Anything from you. ,...and you are probably a nice, honest guy too.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
In my area the Mahindra E Max 20s costs more than my CS20 series. That's the point of the video. If you take the amount of money they're charging for the Mahindra, what can you get from Kioti? You're correct though; you'd have the buy the highest-grade Mahindra to get the appropriate comparison, which is thousands more than ours. That's the point.
@gonzalosanabria2251
@gonzalosanabria2251 9 ай бұрын
It’s not that Kioti CS2520 isn’t a better choice but being dishonest is wrong not to disclose what you’re doing to favor Kioti. A few bucks is not that important when you need a good tractor
@brianhillis3701
@brianhillis3701 Жыл бұрын
Need to mention the loader specs are without the bucket. A 200 lb bucket cut the Mahindra to a very low 400 lb. The kioti would be about 800 lb. Twice as much.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
That's a good point, and it can be said about most sub-compacts on the market. Some of the loaders feel downright useless.
@jaykraft9031
@jaykraft9031 Жыл бұрын
That was made by tym and I don't know what the price is on the Mahendra but the tym is much Cheaper in price
@chriscollins9429
@chriscollins9429 Жыл бұрын
Wow big price difference between where your at and where I'm at. I can get a kioti with just the front loader for $21,800 while the Mahindra is $18,800 and that also comes with a backhoe
@emiltegler1043
@emiltegler1043 Жыл бұрын
Guy is showing us a cs2520 and says its a cs2220
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you caught me. We didn't have a CS2220 at the time so I used an (identical except for engine HP) different tractor. It doesn't make anything less true, although I might have included that I sell the 25hp for the same price as their 22hp.
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 Жыл бұрын
The piece of reflective tape instead of actual brake / running lights like on my Kubota BX screams cheap to me on both those units .
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw Жыл бұрын
The running lights and brake lights is on the rops
@stevenhooten4275
@stevenhooten4275 11 күн бұрын
Kubota around here break easier then case or mahindra I'm in oklahoma too many people here buy expensive and it's their money but shows smarts aren't their deal they just want the look without reliability
@donaldraught8979
@donaldraught8979 Жыл бұрын
Can you get it in any other color The Coyote
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
Not without an expert paint guy to redo the whole thing. I've never heard of a manufacturer offering their units in multiple color options, but that would be pretty cool.
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw Жыл бұрын
Funny that I came across this vid, my dealer sells mahindra and kioti , they advertised a special on some leftover emax22l tractors for 18k with loader and belly mower suppose to be a 2020 model I later found out it was a 2018 and to make a long story short it ended up haveing 10 hours on it and the tractor literally lasted 10 mins and the hydraulics gave out and we’re acting jumpy and jittery, the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth so I sent it back and he send me a cs2220 with a loader and 60” rear finish mower for 18k , I did like the larger tires and more ground clearance on the emax22 but I’m overall happy with the cs2220
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
Was the Mahindra used or advertised as new? That's crazy, but i'm glad the dealer worked with you.
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw
@MarkWilliams-vp7xw Жыл бұрын
@@kentonequipment4687 it was advertised as a new leftover , the whole thing was super sketchy after it was already on the way Over he said by the way I put turf tires on for you because the industrials are junk , I was like Uhm ok but it was suppose to come with industrials , when it got here it had stickers from a different dealer on it and like I mentioned had over 11 hours . Super Wierd situation I’m glad it only lasted an hour because I ultimately ended up with the cs which he even admitted was a better built tractor
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you got it worked out!
@shawnconway7890
@shawnconway7890 4 ай бұрын
Does mahindra not use Mitsubishi engines?
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 4 ай бұрын
Some Mahindras are Mistubishi tractors, but this one is a Mahindra chassis with Yanmar engine. MItsubishi covers most of the "compact" lineup, excluding "subsompacts" like this one.
@shawnconway7890
@shawnconway7890 4 ай бұрын
@@kentonequipment4687 ok thanks I didn’t know that, I am looking at buying either of these but haven’t decided which one yet lol.
@ryanlagoda1352
@ryanlagoda1352 10 ай бұрын
However it does work out in favor of those trying to compare apples to oranges though soooo 🤔
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 9 ай бұрын
If you take the same amount of money to each store, these are the two machines you can leave with. Seems like the fruit looks the same to me!
@yvonprescott5139
@yvonprescott5139 3 ай бұрын
Combien un ou l autres et il y a du financement
@brentsullenberger4711
@brentsullenberger4711 9 ай бұрын
you are not comparing apples to apples compare a new mahindra max25xlt which is closer in comparison to the kioti and see who wins i know how dealers work with competitors i am a salesman to and know the game and for you to know i am not a tractor salesman have a unabiased person compare and see who wins i bet mahindra does
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 9 ай бұрын
How much is the Mahindra MAX25XLT? The point of this video is to show two machines that cost the same in our area, not to show two machines with the same specs. Does a Mercedes cost the same as a Chevy Sonic, do they have the same features?
@ryanlagoda1352
@ryanlagoda1352 10 ай бұрын
The thing with this though is your comparison is totally inaccurate..I don't say that to be rude but your comparing apples to oranges (no color pun intended) I've spent a LOT of time comparing Mahindra's to other brands and it's obvious once you do that Mahindra's models are one step off of other manufacturers models. What I mean is that an appropriate comparison between a Mahindra model and this Kioti would actually be an Emax22L...which is a much closer engine comparison but the Mahindra has a bit more power and is a bigger machine..Larger 3 point setup and much beefier model. Also has the fabbed 60" deck over the Kioti stamped. You said your not sure why Mahindra says they have best in class power? Well that's because your not comparing models in they're appropriate class.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 10 ай бұрын
I seem to have touched a nerve here. Keep in mind, this video is for my local area customers to compare. In my area, THIS model Mahindra is more expensive than THIS model Kioti. Dealer pricing is going to be different other places. How much is an Emax 22L in this configuration?
@ryanlagoda1352
@ryanlagoda1352 10 ай бұрын
@@kentonequipment4687 what's the point in asking me what the price is when as you say it depends on area? I can tell you I payed $15,659 for my Emax22L WITH a tiller in 2019 NEW..BUT as you say price is going to fluctuate. None of my original comments have to do with price..it's about comparing models and if your going to do so being accurate and actually comparing appropriate models is the way to do that. Just like stating Kioti makes all they're own parts..that's a false statement. I get it your a Kioti dealer and the object is to sell THOSE....You did a great job with this video but accuracy matters.
@ryanlagoda1352
@ryanlagoda1352 10 ай бұрын
Mine had a loader, mower and the tiller as I said just to be clear.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 10 ай бұрын
I checked and it looks like the 22L is no longer made. I also looked locally, and the Kioti CS2220 is still cheaper than the E Max 20s any way you slice it. That's the point of this video.
@ryanlagoda1352
@ryanlagoda1352 10 ай бұрын
@@kentonequipment4687 You get what you pay for.
@marshallevans9457
@marshallevans9457 Жыл бұрын
This video makes me glad I chose a Kubota BX. It is another step up in quality over these two machines
@iliveinreality
@iliveinreality Жыл бұрын
Elaborate how the kubota is a step up quality wise over the Kioti?
@donrichter3523
@donrichter3523 10 ай бұрын
Kubotas have too much plastic and aluminum, are at least 150lb lighter. The treadle pedal sucks peepees. Basically all other makers use the 2 pedal system. Also just one cyl for the roll/dump function on the loader, blocking your vision. Kubota is stuck in the past.
@reddfoxx2861
@reddfoxx2861 5 ай бұрын
Learn your tractors. The Mahindra pulls air away from your feet and pulls it across the engine not blows air across the driver. Comparing the yanmar engine to the kioti engine is no comparison. Yanmar hands down. Otherwise good video.
@brucearmstrong6807
@brucearmstrong6807 4 ай бұрын
I watched 1/2 of this video and it is so wrong I stopped.
@mickwoodkayakfishing
@mickwoodkayakfishing 5 ай бұрын
Not even comparing the same tractors..you pretty much wasted everyones time with this nonsense..this video is like comparing a chevy 1500 to a ford 2500..next time compare apples to apples...im in the market for a subcompact but this video proves nothing to me..
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 5 ай бұрын
The point of the video is...if you take a certain amount of money and throw it at a tractor, what do you get? In my area, you can buy both tractors for the same price. Knowing that, I think your comment is 100% right on. One is much nicer than the other!
@mickwoodkayakfishing
@mickwoodkayakfishing 5 ай бұрын
@kentonequipment4687 you are completely missing the point...you spent nearly the whole video talking about the specs difference..well no shit the specs are different your not comparing apples to apples..price aside..when I buy something price is irrelevant if the things you are comparing aren't on the same playing field. Learn how to properly compare things or don't do it. You make yourself look foolish in my opinion..The video should start with for X amount of dollars you can have this or that one. Then go into explaining the perks of each unit..
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 5 ай бұрын
I think you're missing the point. First off, these are the same class tractor. 20hp entry level subcompact. If you're a consumer buying two things in the same class, why would you completely ignore the price as a factor? They're almost exactly the same price. If you throw $17,000 at an entry level subcompact, these are the options from these two brands in my area. If you're competitively comparing anything you use price as the primary metric. Are you saying I should get the larger Mahindra with higher specs to compare? Why? It's a different frame class and 30% more expensive than these.@@mickwoodkayakfishing
@mickwoodkayakfishing
@mickwoodkayakfishing 5 ай бұрын
@kentonequipment4687 it just seems to me your review is not 100% accurate and that would definitely deter me from buying from you. I own a business and accuracy when comparing models of anything is critical. I think you might be wrong about the hot air blowing on you from the mahindra. It appears it blows towards the motor from my research. In my area there's a $1,500.00 different in those models and the mahrinda is the cheaper option. How about also explaining who's been making tractors longer?. I've done a bunch of research and I'm very familiar with the flaws on both units. I've talked to several owners of each unit. If the kioti is such a superior unit why is there warranty 1 year shorter. I mean if I'm claiming something is better I'd have a better warranty because I know it wouldn't break down. You're review just isn't very helpful because your clearly biased. Reading some of the other comments others seem to agree.
@kentonequipment4687
@kentonequipment4687 5 ай бұрын
I think it would be more dishonest if I compared models without pricing. If the pricing isn't comparable in your area then make the decision with your own data. I don't think we're going anywhere.
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