The Sudden Murderous Downfall of YouTuber, Ash Armand

In July 2020, Fitness KZbinr, Male Escort and Reality TV star Ash Armand was arrested for the murder of Herleen Dulai. Ash claimed diminished responsibility, but what really happened behind closed doors?
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00:00 Intro
01:17 Las Vegas
02:30 Herleen Dulai
05:30 Meeting Ash Armand...
15:50 July 16th, 2020
18:52 Aftermath
21:06 What happened?
22:50 Legal Proceedings
24:50 Remembering Herleen
26:11 Thoughts, outro
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[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thanks for watching, folks! What are your thoughts on this case? I have a huge case coming up next week! Also, additional links are below! Ash's KZbin channel: www.youtube.com/@AshArmand1 Interview with Ash Armand by the Morning Dinner Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6mYeHRpqalqfaM

[@Phoenixrising1925]

Please do not change the shirt though!!! Leave it, it's epic!!! LOL 🤩🤩🤩

[@1ChxnceLxnce]

@@Phoenixrising1925ehhhlo Julie - remember me?

[@sweetlittlewee]

Leave the shirt, I love them. I've known of Ash for a LONG time,but never heard this before. So I was shocked. You did Herleen great justice with this story.

[@1ChxnceLxnce]

@@sweetlittlewee ehhhlo Mary - remember me?

[@LysaMarriott]

Hey Adrian 👋, I've been a fan of yours for quite awhile now and wanted to let you know how much I appreciate you and all the hard work you put in weekly for us and I love each and every video you make. Sending lots of love ❤ and blessings 🙏 across the miles from Canada 🇨🇦 !! Lysa x

[@debbie7747]

He didn't just murder her, he tortured her. Those that support him should be ashamed.

[@ewksi1]

You said it as if "just murdering" would've been more more justifiable.

[@donnasulja6038]

@@ewksi1with respect, it seems like you’re looking into this comment too much.

[@tammarra3955]

@@ewksi1yeah, no. That’s not at all what she was saying. She was saying it was much more than just a murder as people would assume he ended her life “swiftly”. No he tortured her prolonged her agony, and took pleasure in it. He’s a scumbag and doesn’t deserve air.

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

Yeah making her watch Avatar was way over the line.

[@americaneclectic]

Evil!

[@Sneatt]

I've always HATED the "manslaughter" charge for these types of crimes with a burning passion. He brutally beat her to the point her beautiful face was unrecognizable. She had internal bleeding, blood in her lungs, and her teeth in her stomach, he beat her. Blood was all over the apartment, he planned to run, and tried to clean it up. How does this case scream "I didn't mean to kill her"? It's murder in my honest opinion and he should be locked away for life.

[@halofornoobs93]

You're opinion thankfully doesn't matter regarding the law. Homicides have to meet fairly specific criteria to be ruled as murder. While I think the crime was horrific, there really isn't enough evidence to make murder the charge.

[@Sneatt]

@@halofornoobs93 So in your eyes, everything he did to brutally murder her doesn't matter because he was probably on drugs? or a Hallucinogen?

[@jonweman6128]

@@halofornoobs93 manslaughter should be reserved for cases like when 2 guys are arguing, maybe pushing each other, one on an impulse grabs a knife, and that one stab turns out fatal. Here there was sustained violence, the physical difference between perpetrator and victim was huge, and we only have the killers word that it was an impulse act. I don't know about Nevada law but in Sweden "voluntary intoxication" is never a mitigating circumstance, essentially if the criminal voluntary used alcohol or drugs he is sentenced as if had commited the same actions sober (though sentences in general are lighter in Sweden so he may or may not have gotten away with 15 or 18 years anyway, with parolle possible after 2/3 of that time, and life sentences are typically not served for life but commuted after 20-25 years). Here usually when the manslaughter label is applied there was at least some provocation or violence from the victim also though well below the threshold for legitimate self defence.

[@amityislandchum]

​@@halofornoobs93 Lmao way to pull that out of your ass.

[@jborden18]

💯

[@jeffb.140]

Narcissism is a hell of a drug

[@fatisummer9106]

@@AnonymousAccount514 He burned her with a candle and multiple knives and there was weird statue, before she die he told there was a dark aura around her and he took her before to many spiritual places,I am guessing he wanted her to do some kind satanic ritual but she refused or he sacrifice ,his family said ''she was going to die anyway why putting our son in jail" ,he may have thought the same ,

[@jadebijou9508]

Nipple ring, psychedelic drugs, massage therapist, escort for a career, seems like a narcissist, his conversations seem boring and like he’s unintelligent and just a basic common guy; I could never date someone like him in general, but sucks he turned out to be super wicked. RIP to that beautiful girl.

[@funshinebear4822]

And he was frivolous with his money and had Helene paying for his rent. An absolute bum.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

man when he opened his mouth... suddenly i wasnt attracted to him anymore lol 🤮 what a ditz

[@suzimonkey345]

If he doesn’t know what he did or why he did it, how on earth does the judge know that he won’t do it again in the future? 😡

[@mariaharrison7228]

Thank you, if he does drugs again he can 100% do it again. Should have to do the whole 20 years

[@Bexks]

Good point!

[@angelarice8418]

I thought the exact same thing!

[@bubblybubbles4023]

I wonder if he's still trying to look like that in prison?

[@AdoptedRetroSpecs]

Exactly

[@beckymoffitt7705]

I will never understand a murderer not getting life without the chance of parole.

[@dilekk7758]

If they are capable to end someone's life, they are capable to do it again. In my opinion. Probably after experiencing they get away with it the first time.

[@jasperG007]

they let them go because its too expensive to house them all.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@user-dw4cs4xv8y Ahhh, the iron age mentality of the god botherers.

[@lrockbr]

Because death or real rehabilitation would put millions out of work and the economy would not benefit as it does without the cheap labor. Sick societies depend on and require people like him to thrive. Sociopathic societies breed and perpetuate sociopaths.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

Pretty sure the jail gets a tax break of some sort with every prisoner they add though, so it depends on who you ask@@jasperG007

[@bridgitsubramoney9405]

The beating this girl endured with blood all over the apartment...and her teeth found in her gut ... screams murder in the first degree....he should be getting a life sentence...

[@joltjolt5060]

They kill when you say you're leaving.

[@wolfwillet431]

Yes they do

[@asiriperera7735]

I don't follow a lot of true crime channels as they tend to be overly dramatic or too sensationalist. But I like Adrian's delivery.....balanced, informative and also respectful of the victims.

[@davideaston8314]

If only he could master intonation and pronunciation… 😂

[@spideyfan6296]

Oh my Gosh yes!!! He's the best

[@QueeniesKillaCrafts-by4dz]

This is monsters covered it. You might like him

[@MrPumpkin8ter]

Agreed and I like the shirt.

[@JBrodo]

Having just watched a ludicrous, gross television true crime ep that had horrific recreations of the victims' actual last moments before being killed...I cannot agree with you more...

[@Captainrizzlicious]

As a female licensed massage therapist, people like him perpetuate the sexual propaganda that surrounds my career choice. People like him give professionals like me a bad name. He became a massage therapist not to help people but to predate on people.

[@ilikesteakandbacon150]

First thing I thought when I heard massage therapist....

[@MiyakoPisces4.0]

Agree.

[@SamS-uv2ql]

How do you know that?

[@maryjane4432]

@@SamS-uv2qlcommon sense

[@maryjane4432]

My cousin quit doing it bc of the rumors

[@interesting_reads775]

He claimed to be healing people but he could not even heal himself

[@dakg8034]

"A man so gentle and kind would never be able do such a thing." Well, to all you simple Simons, not only did Ash do it, but he did it in one of the most monstrous ways possible. And to add insult to injury, the justice system essentially "rubbed salt to an open wound" when the judge opined that Ash was unlikely to commit another violent crime and followed-up with a sentence that failed to reflect adequate justice for Herleen and her family. Is it any wonder some people take the law into their own hands?

[@bonnielee316]

She cut him off. She left his rent money at home. She had tape over her mouth causing her to have to swallow her own teeth and blood! Boy the judge was wrong on this case!

[@ieshjust16]

Exactly, sometimes you have to get justice on your own.

[@58DeBe]

Ash was actually too full of himself! He deserves more than 20 years without the possibility of parole!

[@Christine-qi5sk]

Exactly. His ego and self-love were his downfall. I don't think jail time will change him. He will be his old self when he is released😠

[@58DeBe]

@@Christine-qi5sk I totally agree 😥 also over dosing on steroids make people aggressive so his vanity makes him a cold blooded murderer! When he gets out chances are he will do this again!

[@CeciliaGonzalez-bi3yh]

​@@Christine-qi5skThis is not self love. If he loved himself he wouldn't of always looked for attention and being fake. He actually was the opposite and didn't love himself. He may of been narcissistic, but not self love.

[@badrequest5596]

Ah dont worry. Pretty boy like that will have a lot of 'fun' for 20 years in jail

[@erickiyoshiphillips2323]

@@Christine-qi5sk lol oh jail will change him I mean prison. Pretty boys aren't taken well. If booty bandits are gonna try him he won't be liked by others. I'm sure he'll get in a bunch of fights

[@annewagner196]

The fact that she required 15 hours of reconstructive surgery after she was deceased for her funeral should be enough to prove what a dangerous and violent person he is. 8 years in the slammer is a slap in the face to her family.

[@trudytriad4574]

😢😢😢😢

[@jenjoestar.]

Exactly!! The fact that people get more for smaller crimes is beyond me

[@kayakazi7765]

And with this ridiculous jail time, he will definitely do it again

[@javageek123]

For a guy who lives by his looks and spends money and time on his looks. Prison might be extremely hard on him. Prisoners may not be the nicest folks. By the time he is released he might look unrecognizable and full broke. He should have become a programmer like indians

[@ginw565]

20yrs doesn't seem like enough time for such a brutal murder... Her family and friends must be devastated 😢

[@flynnlivescmd]

Law Abiding Citizen time!!

[@mrredman4354]

He'll be out in 8 years! Incredible

[@ginw565]

@@mrredman4354 no way!!!! That's terrible!!!! 😧😮 shocking that the law system allows this ⛔

[@Callsignethiopia]

He has connections plus Vegas is a super corrupt place if you’re involved in the sex industry out there you definitely gain connections

[@CidVeldoril]

@@ginw565 What does society gain from keeping a person locked up that would no longer be a threat to said society? Any legal system that works to get revenge instead of rehabilitation is inherently unjust and this person could likely be easily rehabilitated.

[@Geordan419]

Hearing the details made me sick to my stomach. I’m so broken thinking that i share the same air with people like this. Not only violent, but furthermore extremely good at “faking it”. This is so crazy!

[@brennafarrell2606]

15 hours of reconstructive surgery so she could have an open casket?!! And they want to truly believe "he's a good guy and won't do it again"?! 15 HOURS! That's an amount of rage that's just so inconceivable to me (and I have a lot of rage in me). My heart truly goes out to Herleen and her family.

[@timgallagher9229]

Hope u heal. Having a ton of internal rage is quite unhealthy

[@elypowell6797]

Who does plastic surgery on a dead woman? That is insane and should be questioned.

[@waffle_chair9269]

Could also have been a psychotic break brought on by all the drugs.

[@waffle_chair9269]

@@elypowell6797probably under some religious rights.

[@chadberles2056]

Just jealous you're a client of his to be his lover compared to the losers you've been with

[@rightweaponry908]

Honestly, the murder not being premeditated and him having no obvious motive is MORE scary.

[@anajackson6677]

True. With NO motive you can't really protect yourself. You will never see it coming.

[@dontmindme633]

Yeah I don’t understand why they are so certain he’s not a future risk? He beat a girl to death out of nowhere. Pretty scary.

[@musicinthewildwood]

I totally agree with that.

[@jesusisgod4992]

​@@dontmindme633It's because he has shown remorse.

[@veronicapaul2996]

​@@jesusisgod4992will the remorse bring the dead girl back to life?

[@jamessitati7396]

i never understand the American justice system, this excuse of a human murdered a young lady and only got 8 years, people get tougher sentences for lesser crimes, this is so unfair.

[@josimpson7999]

Agreed! Absolutely shocking miscarriage of justice.

[@LinnLinnok-fe5tq]

US courts routinely offer plea bargains to criminals to get a guaranteed outcome in effort to avoid a lengthy and costly trial with less predictable outcome. Trials cost a lot of public funds + there is no guarantee of a guilty verdict or longer sentence after trial. In the interest of saving public resources and expediency, they will offer plea bargains to lesser charges. If the person takes the deal, they can get a lower charge and lesser sentence than they might’ve gotten after trial. The courts then get a much faster and less expensive closure, put the person in prison and move on. Jury trials are long and very costly, and there is always the risk of a not guilty verdict with a jury. Plea bargains get a predictable outcome and cost a nothing compared to a trial.

[@jojo-xh5ik]

He got 8 to 20 years. So he may serve 8 years but may serve 20

[@AtheneHolder]

Still not good enough, considering the method details of the crime ​@@jojo-xh5ik

[@emmycaty4670]

That a lot of beating. Her teeth found in her stomach. 5 broken bones, etc. He really doesn’t have mercy or empathy while she was suffering. He is completely a psychopath.

[@barbarapaige]

Adrian, thank you for your compassionate coverage of this very sad case. The sentence is an outrage - he is a "gentle" giant that beat a woman to death, and the judge thinks he won't do it again. He takes drugs that cause him to savagely beat someone and he won't do it again?? Is she so sure he'll never take drugs again? And people still support him because he is pretty? What a sick world we live in. Also, I appreciate your underlying the danger of people like Ash who are into "healing", but have no real training and can do real damage to already hurting people. She was vulnerable, and he took total advantage of her. Definitely not a good person, nor a healer; he's a destroyer.

[@stephendacey8761]

Especially steroids which can make a person become overly aggressive. There's a very good chance that he will do steroids to bulk up once he gets out. The longer he stays in jail the BETTER.

[@martinacarson]

Agreed

[@ShunaJenkins]

@barbarapaige Leave this man to the wolves. I'm sure there's a betting going on in the jail for who gets first dibs. His suffering has yet begun. I also find it terrifying that just as long as you're pretty you'll get what you want. how disgusting the justice system can be SMH :(

[@dtz1000]

Female judge. that's why his sentence was lenient.

[@rmarvel169]

​@stephendacey8761 so true, was married to a complete id*ot like this

[@Phillip_higgins]

How can they even say he’s unlikely to do it again? They have no idea . He could black out drunk the day after getting out and do it again. That’s some spiritual healing there. What a crock. He’s a narcissistic psychopath

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

It came from his defense team. I'm sure they knew their attempt would fail but it's what they get paid to do.

[@botanicalitus4194]

@@JustMe-fo4evbut the judge agreed that he probably wont do it again. Which doesnt make sense bc his actions seemingly triggered at random

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@botanicalitus4194 My bad - you're correct. I didn't catch that part. I just heard that the attempt to get the sentence reduced was rejected. I agree with you that I'm not sure we can say it wouldn't repeat itself, especially if he went back on steroids.

[@cdes1776]

He's a poser.

[@azazello1784]

Let me explain it to you... He didn't have a history of violence. The drugs might have had an unexpected side effect that clouded his judgement.

[@annettehellingrath8288]

This is the type of man you run away from - usually screaming at the top of your lungs. That line of his, "I've had a lot of women" is one I once heard from a guy during dinner. He said this like it was a good thing and assumed that I would find this to be impressive somehow. He was a neighbor, who I ran into quite often while walking my dog, so when he asked me to dinner I didn't think of it as a date, he was not my type. Up to that point we had had five or ten minute conversations over several months and that was the extent of our contact. The first time that my dog Noah met him on one of our walks, he made it obvious that he did not like this man and Noah liked everybody. He stared at him, stood between us, his entire body was tight and his ears were up the entire time he was around this man. When this behavior continued I started to avoid this guy because Noah's dislike for him was embarrassing, and on top of that Noah was a very tall 125 lbs. black Bouvier, not a breed you mess with. Fast forward a year or so and I found out that this man had shot his brother in law dead and spent ten years in jail for his crime.

[@melissamoonchild9216]

animals always know ❤

[@springfauna1465]

Reminds me of this guy I met on FB through a mutual acquaintance. He was a real smooth talker and bragged about how he used to be a player, which I found totally disgusting!! I then watched him online flirting with a fan base of women who fawned over him like he was a celebrity or something. After that I eventually blocked him and never heard from him again!! Talk about a clown!

[@AtheneHolder]

The dog knew....

[@vakhbod100]

Stay away from wolves in sheep skin. Stay away from drug addicts. If they don't have enough mercy on themselves by abusing drugs, they won't have mercy on you

[@Rollacoastertycoon]

I love how he’s using women according to the narrator but he doesn’t consider women who do the same to men as using them. Talk about ironic and hypocritical . Like he’s an escort . No need to say he’s taking advantage of women smh lol

[@enayoracle]

Very smart remark. Well said . People think they can change others or that others will not harm them, it is wrong . If you abuse your body you will abuse others …

[@enayoracle]

Did he ever had a real valid professional license as a massage therapist? He is a disgrace to the profession. He did not just murdered her, and abused her, he abused everything else in his life and used it for evil. Why can’t he get life without parole?

[@Fairy71128]

Well said! Substances are brutally altering brain. You can’t trust addicts

[@tigergreg8]

Very good advice. I also say, if someone treats animals or their mother badly, they will never treat you any better.

[@RXavierDeLaVega]

It’s not every day you watch a crime documentary and realize you knew the victim, even if only briefly. I am the photographer who took those photos of Herleen, in her Indian garb, in that park during the fall of 2011. When I saw that image at 5:27 mins in, my heart absolutely stopped and sank as my mind reeled to reconcile that I was in fact not dreaming. I only met Herleen the one occasion, but she had this beautiful, serene energy that literally made her glow. A makeup artist from PA that I knew, brought Herleen to New Jersey for this shoot, and when I look at the gallery, my heart breaks knowing now her tragic end. 💔 It it also seethes in the injustice of Ash’s sentence, because out of those 8 years, he will likely do far less and then carry on with his life. It’s an extremely more visceral outcome than say a manslaughter in a drunk driving case. Thank you, Adrian @coffeehousecrime, for covering this case. I am a huge crime documentary viewer, and have followed you for awhile now. Were it not for you, I may have never known what eventually became of Herleen. There is truly sorrow in knowledge.

[@Mizugetsu94]

It must've been a horrible feeling to realise that.

[@ZoeAlleyne]

Oh wow, that must be difficult to see, I'm sorry.

[@cassiem3893]

Ouch. That must hurt. 😢

[@diedichtung2183]

your photos of her are lovely and have immortalized her beauty.

[@laurab5750]

He was sentenced to TWENTY. The eight only makes him eligible for parole. No early release and not even a guarantee of getting out after 8.

[@sxhizornsmn]

that is CRAZY. head to toe black & blue?! the amount of anger that must’ve been behind each and every punch… poor Herleen didn’t stand a chance against such a big guy :(

[@mattodonnel2835]

Narcissism is a dangerous headspace. It can lead to loads of violence like those narcissist men that kill their family to move on to another woman or women that kill their toddlers to go out partying.

[@IrishHoopers]

The "reality" tv footage is sooooo cringe

[@Ershnill]

This case is insane. Even more for the fact this guy got so little time. He made the choice to take what he did. It shouldn't matter if someone is under any drug effect. They should be held responsible no matter.

[@HelenaMikas]

I agree 100%..

[@Wastingsometimehere]

All those drugs likely damaged him beyond repair mentally on top of his physical power. he's a social threat.

[@kylereyes2337]

I’m a firm believer of a saying “a drunk mind speaks sober thoughts.” That can apply to anyone who uses drugs and all.

[@evalunloca]

I hope none of y'all ever have anything happen to u or someone you love while under the influence because you will be treated as u treat others. Not saying this guy is not a POS but for y'all to be so judgemental y'all may be perfect

[@farzanabland6701]

No one forces you to do drugs so whatever you do while under the influence IS your fault.

[@THEDubbleHelixx]

I get why his friends and family were so slow to believe that really happened. While I wouldn't say he comes off as genuine, per se, he DOES publicly conduct himself like a gentle, thoughtful man. It's a chilling reminder that you never really know anyone. People can be capable of anything, even horrors.

[@subconsciouslyinyahead7977]

Yup.

[@teeeahwilson7873]

I was friends with his wife, I only met him a few times but I would have NEVER guessed he was soft spoken and seemed so gentle but in hindsight he was destroying his wife in front of my eyes I just didn't recognize it at the time. I'm horrified at what he did to this poor girl and the thought that I ate at his kitchen table, hugged him!! makes my stomach turn. He ruined his wife's life, his sons, and his victims her family, his own, omg I just can't even deal.

[@imchuckbass4757]

I used to work with a fitness instructor who was the nicest guy you could meet: great dad, hard worker, etc. Then one day he was on the news for kidnapping a girl, holding her hostage, and assaulting and torturing her. Absolutely blew our minds. Totally agree with your statement.

[@imchuckbass4757]

@@teeeahwilson7873 gosh, I hope his wife has been able to get her life back together. I also hope she didn't experience any of the physical horrors this poor girl went through🥺...of course the emotional ones will always leave lasting scars as well.

[@manon562]

@@teeeahwilson7873 I am always weary of people who use psychelic drugs. These things can change your personality.

[@enayoracle]

Did he ever had a real valid professional license as a massage therapist? He is a disgrace to the profession. He did not just murdered her, and abused her, he abused everything else in his life and used it for evil. Why can’t he get life without parole?.

[@alwayssunnycali1700]

40 lbs in 30 days?! I was all about those crash diets in my early 20s but that seems impossible even for my older self.

[@socalknight5482]

I believe that could be an error seems almost impossible

[@user-yw8qf8cc3t]

Possible. If you start cycling or hiking on a long trip

[@di3486]

That’s a dangerous amount of weight to lose in a month. I think is an error.

[@ashleycleaver7766]

I like the term “Pretty Privilege” a very apt analogy. Society has this warped perception that beauty = innocence. I have never in 30years of working with human clients, ever, thought of anything more deluded. Beauty has nothing to do with psychopathy. In fact, if people love themselves to an unhealthy level, how can they have love for anyone else? Their ego is consumed by them. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is named after Narcissis for a reason, he fell in love with his own image and no time for anyone else.

[@keahithefieryone8513]

he knew his pretty looks can get him anything, it will get him a few boyfriends in prison

[@MARCOx87x]

I concur. Pretty privilege is real. I have seen examples of it many times. Nothing against those individuals but there are benefits to beauty. Not everyone of them can be narcissistic tho.

[@benjaminollis7621]

It's a term invented by lazy obese women so they can feel a bit better for a few seconds while they waffle on about it too other lazy obese women. Next week will be healthy privilege..

[@naimalee1046]

The most beautiful people are crazy actually

[@Veracityseeker7]

Well said.

[@Flabooga]

As a former drug user, when you described him as a "hippie chasing magic mushrooms guy rather than a cocaine addict on a four day bender" I understood completely. I've seen that in real life. And I've been in both of those states. I'm shuddering remembering all of it. I'm just glad I grew up and became clean and sober 🤙

[@Dreamkeeper_101]

Steroids too. You dont too that big without help

[@JB-bm1to]

Congrats on your sobriety babe!

[@Flabooga]

@@JB-bm1to thank you love!! 😊 muchos besos

[@StefanReich]

Stop portraying mushrooms like that. You are very dishonest

[@danceswithcats97]

@@Love-hx6nbit depends on the person really. I had a bad reaction and it intensified my paranoia. Honestly if you are a naturally anxious person I don’t recommend mushrooms

[@DashRay19]

Holy crap this happened like 10 minutes away from where I live and this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Such a sad story.

[@lanoosaurusrex]

20 years is never enough. I had a friend who was murdered (premeditated) and his murderer only got 17 years. The same goes for the guy who murdered my uncle. These scumbags should never see the light of day again - people never see how bad the victims’ families have to suffer for the rest of their lives because of a ‘stupid mistake in judgment.’ But I have seen firsthand - the pain persists long after the murderer gets out of jail, and the family dynamics are completely ruined. Yeah, the murderers may get a second chance at life, but the victims remain forever 6 feet under.

[@elypowell6797]

I hope he is released early for good behavior and returns to living a normal life.

[@elypowell6797]

@@MQJ007 Well thank goodness, this man should not loose anymore of his freedom over this. Maybe the next one wont try to manipulate and play mind games.

[@EllaNonimato]

you are a troll @@elypowell6797

[@ivdweerd2351]

​@@elypowell6797 are you mental?

[@johnwoods1161]

Absolutely love how realistic you are with your delivery. No unnecessary jokes, dramatic waiting, etc. Just pure content.

[@lesleyhughes3174]

Judging others for differing personalities, is not something anyone should be doing. We don't know their lives, past or present. Anxiety and nervousness, or any other reasons for how they may present their stories.

[@vanesslifeygo]

he has joked a bit, in prior video s

[@joen8529]

For those who like humor in their videos, Ash here’s KZbin videos take care of the comedy factor. Even if he wanted to be funny… Nothing Adrian says could compete with that comedy.

[@johnwoods1161]

This was just my own opinion as someone who's seen a lot of true crime content absolutely glorifying the killers while ignoring the victims

[@joen8529]

@@johnwoods1161Yeah no doubt, I’m just throwing in that evil “Ash” here provided the unfortunate comedy himself, in the form of his own content. What a maroon!

[@me21464]

Who paid him that kind of money?? Girl buy a dog!!

[@starseed4430]

I watch a lot of true crime documentaries just because it fascinates me to see what human beings are capable of and of course, it also disturbs me but this case gave me goosebumps. It is so horrific that I haven't been able to get it out of my mind. Teeth found in her stomach!!! !5 hours of surgeries!!! The horrors she must have experienced at the hands of someone she trusted so blindly. This monster should never be allowed to let loose on the streets.

[@drewintampa]

The guy was a ticking time bomb. I'm a bodybuilder and in the past I used roids. I can tell you that they make people crazy. My personality completely changed. Obviously, I stopped. The combination of mind altering dr_gs, roids, the fact that he was living a lie, and his dependance on her turned deadly. There are many cases of bodybuilders on roids who killed violently. Maybe she told him that night that she didn't want to help him financially anymore and he snapped? The rent envelope was at her house. She could have taken it if she planned on paying his rent. He needs much longer that 8 to 20. My God, what a slap in the face to her family. Thanks Adrian!

[@bonnielee316]

He put tape over her mouth forcing her to swallow her own teeth and blood. That takes down the likelihood of roid rage.

[@Indusxstan]

Definitely deserved 20 without parole

[@lilygoatdemon]

Yeah, I'm guessing between the drugs and the steroids, whatever transpired that night made him snap and he lost control in the worst possible way. The roids could contribute to making your anger more intense, and the mushrooms might've lowered his inhibitions. From his public image, he definitely does not seem like the type to snap angrily or hurt anyone; yet here he did exactly that. Either the dude was a fantastic liar, and his public soft sweet image was all a lie, or the drugs and whatever happened just got to him. Steroids are scary as hell, and I don't even know about the way mushrooms could interact with that and the other stuff he was using. I dunno, it just seems very strange, but the sheer violence of the murder is absolutely shocking and astonishing. Poor sweet Herleeen.

[@SY-ok2dq]

​@@lilygoatdemon You know what they say, beware of wolves who come to you in sheep's clothing. I sense a narcissistic person who liked to portray this good guy image. Remember what Bill Cosby's public image was back in the 80s and 90s? Also, so many pedophiles were in the Roman Catholic Church, acting all holy as priests. When you think about it, what could be a more perfect profession than priest in the R.C. Church if you want all the secret access to littl boys or girls that you want?

[@vandaloo]

Yup. steroids in combo with other substances. Bad news.

[@stefan.5987]

He was clearly a leech to her, it's sad she fell for his charisma. If you really want to heal, seek professional help instead of choosing different ways. His sentencing was outrageous, that's no justice. 😮 R.I.P. Herleen.

[@laraoneal7284]

You did a better more detailed explanation of this case than I’ve seen done on a different channel. Very thorough. Ty so much.

[@joeyblogsy]

She was really gullible getting with him in the first place, giving him money, falling for his pseudo medication nonsense and allowing him to drug her. He was a psychedelic-head and a roid addict and he wasn’t even good looking at all other than his muscles. She should have never gone near him to begin with. You can’t ever trust someone like that

[@inspace3753]

I cant believe it was questioned - why he was with her.

[@jojo-xh5ik]

He looked good when he was young and still skinny. The douche beard, pumped up muscles, and tattoos did him zero favors lol

[@kristinwright6632]

I'm afraid I have to disagree with your assessment. Maybe not attractive to you but most assuredly he is a pagan god for women in the alternative community. And none of his techniques would have been that strange to people who follow that. I know because I used to be there. I don't subscribe to the pseudo-med anymore but he is still fucking gorgeous.

[@betsyvanek9275]

rather rat faced in non-professional photos

[@springfauna1465]

She was definitely naive and probably because she had been sheltered from manipulative men. The devil comes in all kinds of disguises pretending to be something he's not.

[@kennethweser]

This guy gets no sympathy from me. He's a predator and an opportunistic phoney who took advantage of a vulnerable young woman. Whatever made him snap, I don't know but it's no excuse. He should no get any leniency. Also, don't change your shirt pattern Adrian or anything else with your videos. There great just the way they are.😊 ❤CHC.

[@Trancymind]

I'm not trying to defend him but did this guy had any criminal record or aggressive behavior before? It is odd because I have tried the stuff he took except steroids. MDMA and magic mushrooms wouldn't do this type of a very violent crime but being drunk on alcohol and being on steroids is a very questionable risky approach. What an odd case where you barely hear this type of case of happening.

[@bonnielee316]

She left his rent money at home, in an envelope. That could have made him snap. He put tape over her mouth forcing her to have to swallow her own teeth and blood!

[@THE_CDN]

All the drugs certainly didn't help, but it was his extreme narcissism that caused him to beat her to death. She likely said something that hurt his precious ego and/or threatened his meal-ticket. Something like, "You're just a drug addict using me for my money and I'm leaving!" He sees his cushy life slipping away, gets angry and viciously takes out his anger on her because he knew she was right.

[@anitae7708]

Out of all the comments made here, yours makes the most sense. The ego is a powerful drug. I think you may have solved the case. Such a heartbreaking story. Prayers for her family🙏🏽

[@AwfulDog1]

Steroid rage wouldn’t help either. You are probably right as a drugged state doesn’t explain him trying to clean up.

[@T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.]

i have a feeling the shrooms caused her to see right through him, and that he could not allow.

[@user-eh3zv1ex5o]

He was 38 years old....and he knew he was facing a future he couldn't bear to contemplate.. Who cares about a washed-up 40-yr old Gigolo, right ? Ash wasn't the sharpest tool in the box, either. And yeah, STEROIDS create massive mood-swings. Chew a bunch of shrooms on top of that AND alcohol......Ka-BOOM !

[@lilypagan4019]

Exactly!!!

[@meredithhayes6022]

I love your channel! Best I’ve found about crime shows. I’d rather watch your channel than TV crime shows!

[@stoneyanne]

Absolutely love your channel!! So well researched and well presented xx

[@pimpindymepiece]

She was STUNNING, so sad she couldn’t see or feel it herself. He deserved life

[@wildheartxxx135]

No he deserve electric chair!!!

[@lovelysosweet8386]

She was stunning! He was just ok, he probably was jealous of her!

[@barbie6695]

We don’t know how she felt about herself. Maybe she did know she was beautiful.

[@shyruu2]

she was aight

[@isitoveryet9525]

@@barbie6695right? Such a weird assumption for OP to make

[@stavrianileonti9108]

Why would they offer him a plea deal? He should have gotten life in prison his crime was so violent! Absolutely disgusting..Shame on the justice system smh

[@juliagulia5823]

Adrian!? Haven't seen your channel in a long minute. Glad to see you're doing so well.

[@steffyredd8146]

Stumbled upon your page a few weeks ago. Can't stop watching. Also, i love your shirts!

[@batmanofsanantonio5331]

He’s nothing more than a monster. Regardless of good looks, charm, evil is evil. He played people, took advantage of this beautiful insecure young woman, and beat her, tortured her to death. To those who support him and send him fan mail, you are just as wicked.

[@victorformosa228]

Not that I condone it but they get a kick out of it, some would be happy to marry him.

[@flaviomorofurian5271]

Good looks? 😃😃😂😂🤣🤣

[@dancingqueen2526]

Hes not cute at all. Gross

[@cookiesncream_24]

good looks where?!💀

[@keahithefieryone8513]

Chris Watts gets mail too, omg

[@alisong2328]

People like Ash are so dangerous! I'm so sorry for the victim and her family. Thanks, Adrian, for all your videos!

[@got_rats]

I find it difficult that anyone could judge his actions to be "unlikely" to be repeated. Once a person shows that they can become violent when on drugs, and they continue on using drugs, they will eventually snap again

[@pastryshack551]

This woman who was brilliant, I don't see how she could choose a man who let's you know he is a gigolo. Her parents would never allow this, that's why she never told them. So sad.

[@Tyler-si2rj]

@@got_rats its also not that he can become violent, he became a living lethal weapon, what he did was incredibly brutal

[@ChocolateMilk..]

@@pastryshack551 Women loves narcissists like him, even those who claim they don't.

[@laurieowens8510]

What a narcissist, @ChocolateMilk. You don’t speak for all women. You can only speak for yourself.

[@Wistful77]

Wow! Only heard vague reports on this case. Thanks for the info! ❤

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thanks for watching!

[@susan9919]

Your videos are very well done! Keep up the great work ❤

[@jayjo77144]

20 years not enough I cannot believe anyone supports him He’s a monster ! Poor girl 💔💔💔💔 cannot imagine what she suffered Appreciate your video thx

[@GenXfrom75]

He's a POS. If he'd been busy being a dad, he wouldn't have been available to torture this poor woman. My heart goes out to her family. And yes, his son.... he doesn't deserve THAT legacy.😢

[@ozzielee9058]

This is a shocker. I remember seeing him in a reality show that followed the lives of a group of gigalos called "Gigalos." Your channel is informative, concise and balanced. Keep up the great work(s.)

[@bonnielee316]

He could very well have been a psychopath/narcissist who put on a pretend mask of a good guy. A humble guy. Then he met Harleen, who seems to have borderline personality disorder. Borderlines attract narcissists. Ash, decided to try out his natural manipulation skills on Harleen. He probably hated himself getting dependent on her money. At some point, he either lost control of her or she unmasked him. He must have pretended that things were ok or got her to come to his house where he exacted his revenge on her. He, “ over killed “ her, like, duh, yes that was deliberate. Obviously his psychopathy and charm got him a lesser charge. He’ll only have to do eight years for that. That’s what this show was saying. He got twenty but will be let out on good behavior.

[@bonnielee316]

Tape was over her mouth!

[@SheTheDee1971]

My suspicion is that this was a case of Roid (Steroid) Rage. Something occurred that he will not talk about and the man became unspeakably violent. What happened to that poor girl was overkill - uncontrollable anger. He was just the type to latch on to a woman's insecurities and low self-esteem and leech off of them. He was essentially doing that as a job. It is so tragic that poor Herleen crossed paths with this narcissistic beast.

[@jmequeenbee4339]

This is such a good point. I can't imagine PEDs, shrooms, MDMA, and booze are at all a good or safe combo. I also don't understand how any of this was supposed to contribute to "healing". Mushrooms have some therapeutic effects for certain mental health issues, but only when taken in controlled doses in a controlled setting. This just sounds like someone trying to make their drug addiction sound spiritual, who managed to convince a desperate person that he was more legit than he ever was.

[@kentyoung2563]

He had performance issues, is my guess. That's what sparked it.

[@annewagner196]

I suspect the gravy train was ending. On a petty note, I hope he goes bald in prison.

[@dontmindme633]

@@kentyoung2563I totally agree. One thing that combo likely would do is cause issues in that department and he was a gigolo and she did have an envelope of cash for him….

[@mariahclaar7915]

​​@@jmequeenbee4339Mushrooms aren't physically addictive though, so he wouldn't be excusing or spiritualizing an addiction.

[@johnwells5414]

My wife and I just started watching your videos! We really appreciate how insightful and caring you are with these cases. It never feels gratuitous.

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thank you, and welcome aboard! Glad to have you guys here :)

[@waterlessaxis6212]

You guys came to the right place. My wife and I also stumbled across CHC a year or so ago and fell in love with the way he tells these stories. We love these so much that we rewatch our favorite episodes.

[@dancingfirefly7761]

Welcome! Adrian is a great storyteller and a caring person who tells true crimes and honors the victims' memories in the process. ❤

[@HeyCutie90]

I feel the same way about this channel. So many true crime KZbinrs (particularly the makeup crew) tell stories in such a gratuitous and exploitative manner, it feels gross listening to them and turned me off of true crime for a while. This is one of the only channels I still watch.

[@alisonlogan824]

I agree with the others. You're in a good place. Welcome! Adrian is a wonderful entertainer!

[@aaronwhite1038]

It really bothered me that when the girl asked the age of the victim, the news reported proceeded to describe the guy

[@amylynn7881]

Breaks my heart how our deep insecurities are so powerful in impacting the partners we connect with in our lives. I hope I said that right. She was such a beautiful person on the outside, but what is on the inside is what truly makes a person “beautiful”. 😢 I wish we all could learn and believe that about ourselves while we are young before ending up in a horrible relationship with trauma or worse.

[@VioletJoy]

I wonder how she ended up that way. It does seem pretty clear that she was lying about having a brain tumor, so there was a lot going on. I wish psychology and relationships were taught all throughout school. I personally think it's far more valuable than much of what is taught.

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

I was thinking the same thing but then I thought it must be hard to be a woman on the American West coast where it's all about facades.

[@Trancymind]

Sadly there are attractive people who will put other people under the bus either they rejected a person or the person found out their manipulative intentions and will try to hide their tracks and in a very desperate situations will tried to put them under the bus as well because they think they are still very valuable or important people.

[@AnnaSenPrice]

A sickening outburst of violence from a drugged up narcissist! She probably called him out on his bullshit when high, and he lost it. Horrific, and 20 years just not enough.

[@kakadoodoo3000]

I figure the same...she said something that deeply offended him, so he flew into a rage and killed her.

[@Lilione111]

Yea & probably told him that she’d stop paying for him etc.

[@annsam2111]

This screams narcissism! That poor woman didn't stand a chance 😔. Condolences to her family and friends. He really should have gotten life without parole.

[@thisisme3238]

Like your style, like your content, I subscribed...looking forward to more.

[@04211975]

15 hours to reconstruct her face for funeral. That's crazy. He was in a rage. He deserved more than 20 years i hope the family shows up at every parole request.

[@emilydavis162]

We really glossed over the whole 40 lbs in a month thing but Harleen must have been very disordered to lose that much weight in that amount of time. Ash targeted a genuinely ill woman, brain tumor or not

[@shadowfox009x]

Right? Unless she was morbidly obese then 40 lbs in a month is concerning and not a good sign. Especially as she was also building up muscles at the same time.

[@JB-bm1to]

I caught that and was confused too. I thought maybe I was just mishearing "14" or something. Because how in the hell?!

[@pixymixy1980]

This 40lbs in a month’s time seems way off. I lost 40lbs in about 4 months and that was pretty substantial in that short amount of time. Something is not right.

[@StarlightSweetie]

@@pixymixy1980 I’m thinking that she must have been using/abusing Stimulants or some other drug… I can’t see it being any other way.

[@TheNester.]

40 lbs in 30 days is NOT possible. And Ashley will NOT be happy in prison with that long hair. He may have been able to beat a small pacifist to death on the outside, but he will be the victim on the inside. And Gigolo and Male Escort are 2 words that should make you run!

[@elizabethsohler6516]

The fact that someone"lawyers up," is an absolute right that should NEVER be held against them. It is a right that protects ALL of us, especially if we are wrongly accused.

[@NekoAioshi]

Hope you feel better! Wonderful video I only knew the Henrick v Abella so appreciate all the info! Esp about the "vile hack"! Gonna change my whole game experience! Bless 🙏

[@midwestyle]

It makes me furious when people defend someone as "Gentle, kind, and caring" and they "could never see them doing something bad." Killers are not a different being. They are someone's brother, sister, child, father, mother, cousin, best friend, etc. People have different faces for different people in different situations. Every person is capable of heinous crimes in the right (or wrong I guess) circumstances.

[@musicinthewildwood]

Totally true.

[@Shay_-cq2cl]

I’m dumbfounded by the support of his “fans” who have been spoon fed the image he wanted for them to see. Between the possibility of steroid rage, mental illness and his inability to “love” someone other than himself, he is capable of such an heinous act.

[@uruloki2758]

Mentally ill people don't deserve support. Got it.

[@SY-ok2dq]

'roid rage came to my mind too when I heard he used steroids. This gives me the feeling that for some reason, Armand flew into an uncontrollable rage that night, perhaps over some small argument, and he completely lost it. The beatings suggest an explosive fury. The injuries sustained were shocking and honestly, I would feel concerned about letting out this guy that it could happen again, seemingly out of nowhere. Just unpredictable.

[@rachaelvaughan1017]

Having watched the show, he was the guy that I would've felt more safe with which is crazy with all that happened. From what I've read, he was in a long term relationship with another woman and they had just broken up around the same time. I don't necessarily feel bad for him but I do feel bad for his kid that has to grow up without a father

[@rachaelvaughan1017]

Having watched the show, he was the guy that I would've felt more safe with which is crazy with all that happened. From what I've read, he was in a long term relationship with another woman and they had just broken up around the same time. I don't necessarily feel bad for him but I do feel bad for his kid that has to grow up without a father

[@kayakazi7765]

And he will definitely do it again

[@DiegoRooks]

Hey Adrian looking good man . Good work hadn’t seen your work in awhile

[@joesmith-em2cd]

Great videos man, keep it up. 👍

[@ananimity7332]

Because of the severe violence he committed that took the life of this dear girl he needs to be behind bars for life.

[@HP-mk2lw]

Love your videos. Wanted to note that technically prostitution is allowed in 10 counties in Nevada but it is illegal in Clark County (where Vegas is) -born and raised in Las Vegas

[@user-zm3js7sv2n]

Love the your channel! I think your choice of shirts is awesome. Bright Blessings to you moving forward.

[@kimmoran4437]

Great video, Adrian.

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

Fifteen hours of reconstructive surgery post-mortem? I don't want to imagine what he did to her.

[@markhagen1329]

Just found your channel. Great job!

[@Liberalism-is-a-mental-illness]

Him being allowed to be released after just 8 years for torturing a woman to death is despicable. The judge had the authority to punish him appropriately & give Herleen’s family some *JUSTICE* but just like so many other judges these days, she chose not to. The justice system doesn’t need anyone or anything to make a mockery of it. It does a damn good job making a mockery of itself. The good old American “justice system” is a thing of the past. We just have a “legal system” now, a shameful system that hands down pathetic sentences like this, to a man who brutally beat a woman until she finally died. Her teeth were found in her stomach, he tortured her!

[@ieshjust16]

People are doing longer for robery..

[@morganwebb5244]

It makes my blood boil to know he will be eligible for parole after serving the amount of time my dad was in prison for drugs

[@msbramble176]

USA is a crazy country. The law has a weird thing about drugs but totally lets big pharma roll out the addictive opioids.

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

Adrian I know you’re covering mainly international cases, but there’s a case from Houston TX from the 70s that blows my mind. Dean Corrll was a serial killer who killed almost 40 kids from one neighborhood w/the help of 2 teenage accomplices. It’s one of the most brutal cases I’ve ever read about. Maybe you could cover it in a future vid. For some reason it’s almost forgotten. Your shirt pattern is iconic. Keep it ❤

[@MsTtilly]

Um... Houston 🇺🇸 IS International Adrian is from the UK 🇬🇧 😂❤

[@kennethweser]

I remember the Corrll case. He had the largest body count until Bundy and Gacy were caught. He was shot by one of his accomplices.

[@arcanah02]

That would be international for Adrian as he’s from the U.K, so it’s possible he could cover it if your comment gets enough attention.

[@battousai9795]

Americans are so funny, you really think America is *the* country and everything else is international lol

[@canismajor1186]

@@MsTtilly Adrian is from Seattle but was raised in the UK. I think in one of his early vids he said he doesn't want to cover child cases much because they're really sad. He has done some but don't get your hopes up.

[@JoanBrown-tf6dr]

So enjoy your videos Thankyou. Blessings 😇

[@srichey444]

Temu's version "Rico Suave" should be ashamed of himself.

[@rebeccasimpkins8231]

What?!? I love your shirt and your content. Thank you for digging into these cases and bringing to light things that wouldn't necissairly make it to main stream. You do it in such away that it gives respect to the victims. Something I turly appreciate.

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thank you! Don't worry, the shirts are staying ;)

[@michaelpipkin9942]

Cool name.......

[@hollymcdowell2865]

Shirt game is strong don’t switch up

[@davinjones4271]

Did I hear you say in a video recently that you where living in Australia ? Where abouts? Did you take your cat? @@CoffeehouseCrime

[@ChunSah17]

I personally believe he is very capable of doing it all again. People like him, overly charming, are one of the most dangerous people to exist. I just wonder that perhaps she told him she wouldn't pay him rent anymore or something for him to snap like that. It's just super tragic and sad he took advantage of her already and then ended up taking her life in such a gruesome matter. Words fall short on how tragic it is.

[@kayakazi7765]

Ow yes he will do it again....

[@Scarfacekiller]

Listening to these true crime stories just proves that justice is rarely ever served. So sad.

[@minasust4693]

Only 20 years and you know he will be out in 8. I always thought he was strange and very insecure. What a horrible act he committed on this beautiful woman that he obviously was taking advantage of…I hope he has to serve the entire 20!years which is not long enough for what he did!

[@tkh1231]

This guy used this innocent women as a punching bag, and beat her to a pulp, it seems like she suffered enormously. He should have gotten at least 25 yrs. This is crazy.

[@marivipalomino6975]

I say a life for a life. He has no right to walk free.

[@lewafflez5356]

Multiple murderers had gotten lesser sentence and some were even able to walk away free from the most brutal of cases. If there's anything, I blame the fucked up American system

[@jesusisgod4992]

Because he showed remorse, they think he can be rehabilitated. Like they say, "The first step to receiving help is admitting you have a problem." Sociopath's and psychopaths blame others and deny they had anything to do with it. Or in Betty Broderick's case (one that comes to mind), she's proud of what she did.

[@twocents7495]

@@lewafflez5356and it’s better where you are.

[@lewafflez5356]

@@twocents7495 in my place, we take the phrase, A soul for a soul quite literally

[@Another_taco.Yes_please]

Seems like roid rage and the mix of drugs might have been the culprit. Also his ego didn't help. She was very pretty and sounded like a nice person working on herself. No one deserves to be beat to death, such torture. I hope her family can find peace.

[@zachrichardson5581]

Yup exactly. Roid rage is a very real thing then add tripping on shrooms and it's a bad mix for people. Shit is fucked up smh.

[@allylondon9579]

I'm just horrified by the fact there are women that would not only sleep with him but pay him on top of that 😳

[@cherylmaynard5657]

We love your shirts. They are your personal signature. Do not change them.

[@scottscott232]

I feel so very sorry for this young lady and her family. The suffering that she endured at the hands of what can only be described as a narcissist is incomprehensible.

[@danielaroblesaguirre2140]

It's always nerve-wrecking to see a beautiful soul so violently ripped away from the world. Thanks for being thorough and respectful, and for always putting the victim first. I really enjoy your videos.

[@azazello1784]

Beautiful but dumb. She believed avatar movie will heal her??

[@JoanBrown-tf6dr]

Great video Thankyou Blessings

[@mandymaree9430]

He could be out in 8 years?! How insulting to Harleen and her loved ones. She looked like the most radiant and gentle soul. This guy was ....not,evidently.

[@johnhenderson131]

The injuries you described are horrendous, I have not seen injuries that severe even in high speed vehicles accidents. This is a level of rage that I can’t imagine and finding teeth in her stomach is very disturbing. It indicates a prolonged extensive beating far exceeding a level of rage most can maintain We all get angry at times but the rage in him goes far beyond anything I’ve ever heard of. I can’t imagine the fear, pain and extreme suffering the poor woman endure and she was completely helpless! He is a violent, narcissistic psychopath…..a parasite living off the money of women. Hardly my definition of a man. Pathetic and cowardly! No, 20 years is another punch thrown at her and her grieving family, parents never recover from the loss of a child. I find it appalling he is still receiving support from fans, and I disagree that he wouldn’t do it again, what’s that based on? Hope? It’s not worth the risk. 27:01

[@DoorsToHideBehind156]

Extremely well said.

[@soso-sae3702]

You are right

[@Ernitschka]

I totally agreed with you!

[@artisthusnatalal3099]

I was also shocked with those injuries my Lord😳

[@Kisha_can]

It's gross and I've never understood how people support inmates like this. Serial killers get TONS of fan mail, too.

[@OaklynMediaLLC]

It's crazy that no matter how many cases get covered or researched, it never gets easier to understand a killer. It gets easier to predict most cases, but not to understand the killer themselves. It's just crazy...

[@VioletJoy]

It almost always starts with upbringing. I'd say 99.99% of the time. The human brain is complex and very impressionable.

[@quel7850]

But some can be raised in the best environments and still seem to snap. This is why I trust no one. Tell people diff things just to see what comes back to me and tht tells me who said what. I trust my 2 kids. And hell sometimes I question them because u gotta be out to get me if u constantly drive me crazy and stress me out. (I’m def jk). But real shit. Gotta watch who u trust. Even the ones closest will screw u over. I stay to myself with very selective few friends literally like 5 total because u just never know. They will paint a good pic and then boom. They tru colors come out. I’d just rather not even put my self and heart thru it

[@OaklynMediaLLC]

@quel7850 this is totally true. Some people have like a psychotic break and then return to their sane frame of mind. Like a random trigger

[@VioletJoy]

@@quel7850 That would be extremely rare.

[@musicinthewildwood]

My dad was a grade school teacher for 30 years and what I learned from him was that sometimes, the kids with the worst backgrounds turned out to be the best people, and the reverse being very much the case as well. He himself was orphaned/abandoned as an infant, was put through the public system without ever being legally adopted and suffering horrific abuse at so-called "fosters'" hands, and was just about the best dad ever. You can't always predict on background alone.