The Suffering - What Happened?

[@MattMcMuscles]

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[@ShaggyDustbin]

Hey Matt, unrelates to the video or sponsor, but since you’ve talked about Midway so much already, I’d be REALLY interested in seeing you cover a video game called “Freaky Flyers,” their attempt at a Mario Kart style racing game with some….questionable character development in the form of Punch-Out levels of stereotypes It’s one of my favorite childhood games and I’d love to know more about how it was made and what happened to it

[@kupokinzyt]

Please take a look at Cold Winter, an exclusive to the PS2 and a very violent Jame's Bond-like FPS.

[@johnaraya3761]

I just got the first 1 and need to play it already lol so i can get the second 1

[@L.S-D]

Spons game actually looks cool

[@brytilaar]

Can you make a Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion What Happened video please?

[@royconner8045]

This game deserves some Nightdive love.

[@kennethmelo6336]

Yes absolutely

[@ShimodaNexus]

Didn't the game get delisted from GOG recently? Hmmm....

[@TORQUENDB]

This game has a rather odd history of PC releases. Anyone remember the version that was free via sponsored US Air Force ads that popped up every 10 minutes?

[@ashvideoer]

💯💯

[@plutosmash6068]

Amen

[@minstrelofmoria]

The Suffering opened my mind to how weird you can make your monster designs. I've seen weirder since, but not very often, and even more rarely in horror. I wish more developers expanded their vision beyond "zombie" and "zombie but fat."

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

Or zombie but monkey.

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

Any more games with weird designs like this. I wanna know.

[@LordOfHades]

As much as I enjoy it, I really do just forget that the Suffering exists sometimes.

[@TheThirdDaySH]

Same, and I don't know why. It was friggin' awesome.

[@bobafett4265]

Same here a result of WB owning Midway Games and doing screw all with their IPs aside from Mortal Kombat which is a shame since if WB did want to make a little more pocket money, especially with their scary levels of debt they've accumulated with several dog water business decisions thanks to that clueless CEO they've gotten since the Discovery merger. Rereleasing the Suffering games along with the other Midway games they've been hoarding for sometime now will definitely make headlines due to their long absence from the public eye let alone guaranteed to print money going for a GoG and Steam release along with doing Xbox's Backwards Compatibility program and Sony's Classics Program as the OG games released on a payed emulation type deal with some enhancements but nothing nuttier than that as a means to test the waters. Then maybe a full blown remake of the second game acting as a Director's Cut maybe doing the same with the first game before doing a 3rd entry for the Suffering franchise that's how I would do it.

[@phantombigboss8429]

I never forgot game was awesome. 😢 alot people didnt like the second on from what I remember I still loved both. screw WB btw.

[@danielreynolds4716]

Only reason i can say otherwise at least about it's sequel was seeing the reworked health management system in its follow up and saying to myself "there better not be an on rails segment"....there was

[@durag_rico]

Lol I can't relate, those magazine ads with the tortured inmates sent chills back in the day

[@SauloPMB]

This game used to scare the shit out of me when I was younger, which is odd, considering I always loved horror games and movies, this game has such a different vibe to it, I can't really explain

[@danielhuete8798]

Same Prison setting and the psychological horror in the first game was harsh in a way not many games can do

[@greed-1914]

I think for me it wad the years of different stuff that would happen depending on the time period.

[@NeoTriggerX]

It scared the piss out of me but that was why I kept playing it. Just like Silent Hill 2.

[@Big_Z14]

Same here, especially the sections in the insane asylum, that whole place was terrifying and I think it had a lot to do with the sound design and the narrow, dark corridors.

[@JohnYourube]

I heard Warner bros is actually selling the rights for their gaming division stuff. That’s supposedly why the suffering was just delisted from gog two months ago

[@madmaxandrade]

... And also why there's no Mortal Kombat characters in Multiversus.

[@larrytron1992]

This is one of the best PS2 games I've ever played. Fun fact: my Uncle gave me an advanced copy of this game when I was 11. He was working for a company that localised games from the NTSC-U region to PAL

[@TheBloodyViki]

I thank your uncle for his service

[@flippedoutkyrii]

I will forever cherish these games despite their faults, my favourite bit being that they never truly elaborate where the monsters are coming from and every person you meet along the way comes up with their own origins or true being, you really feel like a bystander a hundred miles from ground zero of some kind of apocalyptic event.

[@tai-porto]

If there is a game that deserve a remake or a revival, it's this one.

[@JohnYourube]

This franchise seriously deserves a second chance, free from midways stupidity. Hearing about the potential of the sequel originally being a 360/ps3 launch title really pisses me of because it absolutely would’ve been fantastic and midway fuxked it up for everyone by rushing everything. With the recent success of all these other horror game remakes/remasters coming out lately though, now is literally the perfect time for the suffering to make a comeback. What are they waiting for.

[@advictoriams]

Hopefully Nightdive will do something with it

[@xnlac]

Get in line

[@spliffyrodgers4266]

This was my favourite game as a kid I got it because I busted my hand and had to go to hospital and my mam said I could get a game on the way home I got it because the cover had the guy with his hand out coverd in blood so I thought it was a cool coincidence. I remember going over the back of the case and reading the manual in the back of the car on the way home really exited to play it.

[@_Kuma_]

Oh man, those times where I read the back of the case or the manual the game came with… it was so exciting! Then it took me like 4 days to download the stuff I needed for the game since my parents held onto dial-up for way too long💀

[@Parisiancollector]

Did you have to hide the fact that the game wasn’t meant for kids your age?

[@shenloken2]

Here’s a game worthy of a remake! (The sequel too.)

[@sionyde2345]

They literally delisted the game this September for no reason other than wb hating any old ip's they own

[@shenloken2]

Knew there had to be a catch

[@JohnYourube]

I heard they are selling the rights

[@bouncingbluesoul5270]

@@JohnYourube proof ?

[@DraculaTepes420]

​@@JohnYourube They gave no reason, but my hope is for current gen remasters.

[@TomMcMorrow]

I remember in highschool getting to bring my Xbox to class and setting up The Suffering so we could access the really in depth documentary on Eastern State Penitentiary since that was the field trip that day. These days I'd just KZbin it! 😂

[@evanhanley6437]

The Suffering is extremely underrated. It was a really awesome concept and had great gameplay. It should have gotten a third game. It would be cool if someone made a spiritual successor to it.

[@ricardochavez2946]

The scene watching the cameras and then you watch Horace approaching you from behind scared me as a child

[@swaggerdagger8976]

bro that scene scared me last week 😭

[@muneno1066]

This game was actually damn good. I think there were multiple endings based on your choices. I remember playing beating it multiple times to get the endings.

[@reignfire85]

There were indeed three endings (good, neutral, and evil). I can't remember if the good or neutral ending was the canon for the story going into the sequel. Which ending you go depended on how much you helped or hurt other characters.

[@nahnah390]

@@reignfire85 I thought it imported your ending and expanded on it in the sequel, but I might be thinking of a different prison based shooter.

[@reignfire85]

@@nahnah390 --- I don't remember hearing that myself. I played the first on Xbox and I'm pretty sure I played the second on PS2, so I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny from personal experience, but my impression has always been the story chose either the good or neutral ending as the true canon and went from there.

[@sikevillain]

I really hope The Suffering franchise makes a comeback with either a remaster or a spiritual successor.. i really enjoyed those games and wouldn't mind having it on modern console.

[@JohnYourube]

Everywhere online I see this game brought up, everyone pretty much unanimously agrees a remake/comeback would be awesome. What the hell are they waiting for

[@sikevillain]

@@JohnYourube i was told that it's stuck on mostly abandoned ware & that's the reason why we haven't seen a remaster yet 😔

[@King-ci8sk]

I have been waiting for you to tackle this one for years. One of my favorite games of all time

[@jamescampbell6724]

I would really like to see a What Happened on Jet Li’s Rise To Honor.

[@connormarchand6302]

Midway: we want to do an annual release for all out IP’s every year Me: wow that’s a terrible idea🤩

[@DooDoo-f4v]

Fr imagine if Deadly Alliance and Suffering 1 had more time to develop.

[@JohnYourube]

Hearing that the suffering 2 was originally considered to be a next gen release at the time really pisses me off, because it absolutely would’ve been amazing and stupid midway fuxked it up for everyone

[@JohnYourube]

I still like the sequel we got though

[@joeherrera8826]

One of my most favorite horror games of all time.

[@davidkelley3890]

I love you Matt! Your content means more to me than what makes sense.

[@inudragon2694]

My sister and I used to play Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks on the PS2 all the time. It had a demo for The Suffering: Ties That Bind in the menu, and I watched my sister play it for hours, haha; it was fun!

[@jessehayes8052]

Really wish Midway had survived they had so many great games that were canceled like Fear And Respect. One of the few developers that always tried to pull unique and incredible games out of a hat

[@allancandaza]

Huh? Dude on mid-2000 they started to bleeding cash for what i can tell and also in 2007 or 2008 midway themselves took a loan from national amusement who happens to owned viacom i think they brought 2.8 or 27 million but it didn't survive after all

[@Astrodude55]

I really do love this game and feel like it 100% needs a remake. I played it on PS2 until the disc was unbelievably scratched up. I entered the asylum and phased through the doors to another area. That's when I knew I had to retire the game.

[@NerfPlayeR135]

I saw Civvie-11 play this one; it seems like a hidden gem that deserves a remake. Unfortunately, WB owns Midway's IPs, and they don't care about any of them except Mortal Kombat...

[@JohnYourube]

There’s been talks of Warner bros actually selling their gaming division stuff. Right around the same time the suffering got delisted from gog two months ago

[@weapon877]

I played the first one and beat it. It was extremely fun. I never played the second one. This was a great What Happened, thanks again, Matt!

[@ilovegarradors]

Its so funny to see Drakan the Ancients gates being referenced because I got that game for the first time in the last two months.

[@mikehat7652]

Luckyyyy I was hoping to replay it as it's super nostalgic to me but don't really have a way to do so atm. Have fun, enjoy the dragon riding!

[@spronkjohnson804]

One of my favorite games as a kid

[@Scraxivele]

Loving your channel! Stumbled into it like 5 days ago or so and I’ve probably binged 100 or more videos in that time 😂👏🏻. Keeping me entertained at work! Thank you!

[@savagemathorror4671]

Can’t tell you how much I loved and played both of these games!! We desperately need a remaster/remake with achievements/trophies to unlock!!!

[@Wahgwaanman]

After finishing Outlast, Whistleblower, Condemned & manhunt we need a remake or remaster of this game.

[@kristopherharrispace3215]

My dad bought me this game on Valentine’s Day idk why he gave me a gift but I truly think he was too scared to play the game and knew I would play it for him. I miss being a kid

[@NostalgiaNet8]

I remember playing the sequel's demo where you're in the movie theater.

[@Skipatronic]

Dude Drakan! I remember playing this on my PC as a kid. Totally forgot about it.

[@eddiecheung8055]

On an unrelated note, I am annoyed at your subscriber count. With the amount of quality content you've produced over the years, you deserve to be over 1M subscribers...

[@DOOMStudios]

Developers must’ve suffered developing this game.

[@Areala21]

Yeah, not only is WB sitting on this property and not doing anything with it, but they've had it de-listed from the online platforms that had been selling it so it's unavailable except on the second-hand market. Apparently there's talk that WB is selling off their game-related IPs, so there's a chance someone else picks this up and gets it re-listed on digital platforms, or passes it off to a studio like Nightdive for the remaster treatment, but still, it sucks that there are these two great action/horror hybrids that it's now much more difficult to play if you didn't already own them.

[@coverguymike]

Wow....that Snoop Dpgg "Fear and Respect" Game Imformer magazine cover just unlocked a core memory.

[@PaulDozierZZoMBiE13]

Have we ever gotten a "What Happun?" episode involving the Hunter: The Gathering series? I remember enjoying those games, or at least the first one on Xbox anyway. Feels like a series that went off the rails, but I have no idea why or... pardon the pun... what happened.

[@Valkian24]

Don't you meant Hunter: The Reckoning?

[@SunMor-u8n]

Hunter: the suffering

[@mikehat7652]

Alfabusa??

[@GnegonGalek]

I'd love to hear you talk about Jazz Jackrabbit on the Game Boy Advance in a future episode! It might not be a very infamous failure, but it did pretty much kill a promising franchise, and from what I can gather its entire development was cursed to hell and back, including a cancelled 3D game right before it

[@PororoBongo]

I love this channel so much thank you for always making me smile

[@NanaKyoto]

While I can see the promise in this game being a franchise, signing on with Midway ended up being the mistake that would lead to much suffering.

[@rometherevenant8749]

Oooh thats what i love about October on this channel. Horror games baby! One day, i hope we will get a What Happened to F.E.A.R 3

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

I’m thinking F.E.A.R online what happened.

[@rometherevenant8749]

@@bearerofbadnews1375 oooh that would be dope!

[@SarignCleric]

​@@bearerofbadnews1375F.E.A.R. series in general.

[@rometherevenant8749]

​@@SarignCleric I agree

[@TachikomaKURO]

You forgot this piece of trivia, Matt: Both this game and Ties That Bind were delisted from GOG on Sept. 1st, 2024, by Warner Bros. request. I mentioned this because it's one of those series lost in limbo without any legal way to buy it, making it abandonware in the process.

[@louyork8379]

I loved both of The Suffering games. Played the shit out of them back in the day.

[@SchwaWasHere]

Such a cool demo that came with Shoulin Monks

[@mikehat7652]

Oh my god finally drakkan gets mentioned i loved those games so much, the 2nd one was surprisingly expansive for a ps2 era game. Mounted and unmounted combat, unique armor sets and potion visuals, and a really cool magic system. The enemies could get repetitive but it holds a huge soft spot in my heart. I had no idea they worked on the suffering

[@acidkyledaLSDj]

My uncle had this game and I remember the intro so vividly as my grandma walked into the room as my little brother was screaming as homeboy transforms the first time in the game. Regardless to say I didn't get to play Anymore that day as she was bugging about my brother being scared lol

[@godakillez]

Love the first game and the second game. Love that you're doing an episode on the game and since it's been removed from GOG makes me hope for a remaster or even remake despite how small the odds are. Really want to see a reboot of the series.

[@FearlessSon]

I remember visiting Surreal Studios for a playtest of _The Suffering 2._ It surprised me when it came out so soon after and with such little fanfare. I'd expected playtests wouldn't be happening so soon before release, but this explains why.

[@twowiresthick]

5:27 Alien Trilogy OST playing in the background... Is this a hint at a Future vid? Great game BTW the Suffering and Alien Trilogy. Great Vid as Always!

[@vnable]

I only knew of this game through the demo available through the Shaolin Monks CD. It was definitely a change of pace.

[@EthanTAllison]

I had just randomly remembered this game a few days ago and then you posted this! Weird! You should cover the Midway game Area 51!

[@9Godslayer]

While it's a shame that Stan didn't design the monsters, it _is_ awesome that they they got his blessing on the designs and the one thing he didn't like, they actually listened to and changed! How often do you hear *that?*

[@jonothanthrace1530]

I remember playing some of this when it came out thanks to GameTap. I didn't spend much time with it as the tone and style didn't jive with me too well, but I did find it amusing when you ran into somebody getting attacked and one voice saying "Help him!" and another going "Fuck him!" in a way that sounded less like "he's not worth saving" than "you should go to bonetown with him" to me. I'm honestly surprised you didn't mention the angel/devil voices, because I feel like they were the most interesting thing in the game.

[@MrPwnguin]

I never got to play the first one but do have memories of playing the sequel quite a few times. Glad I managed to snag these titles off GOG before WB pulled the plug on them. I also recall the first one being made freeware for a brief period with the caveat that loading screens had recruitment ads for the air force playing on them which was definitely the decision made of all time.

[@MisterZaz]

It's crazy that I watched the long play for this game last night and this video dropped. I would love The Suffering to get a remake in the vein of the RE games and Silent Hill 2. It would be great to see this updated

[@garylikesgames]

I adore this game. Im so glad you are covering it!

[@TevyaSmolka]

I remember the suffering it was such a underrated game in my opinion

[@seleniebeanie]

I remember playing this when I was younger. I couldn't finish it because I was too scared. lol

[@shadiafifi54]

Funny how a lot of companies following trends get destroyed by their own hubris and inability to know when enough is enough. Yesterday, Atari and Midway, today Ubisoft.

[@ericjorgearnezinochea9679]

The best mix between horror and action game i had ever played.

[@reignfire85]

I have fond memories of the first game. I played it back when I started college, and it was really good (some of the jumping mechanics for the one boss fight were tricky but the game overall was fair, well-designed and had a decent story). I loved the secret Gonzo Gun, such an absurd weapon. I encountered what was probably a glitch in the second and never completed it, so I should probably get around to that one day (at least watching a longplay to get the remaining story). These games definitely need to be released digitally.

[@wichitarichard]

Now I want some " 'This Is Vegas' 'What Happened?' " because I prefer Matt's sleek vocals and humor.

[@patricktorres-m4r]

It makes me happy that this game is still not forgotten. One of the best horror games in the PS2 era. Its sad that they don't make games like this anymore.

[@NutzRg8]

Probably the first horror game I ever played, also *The Suffering: Ties That Bind* this game was great for it's time.

[@SeniorAmore94a]

I remember finding this movie, not sure where or when, but I had a hell of a blast playing this on my OG Xbox years ago

[@Dottra1000]

Ties That Bind Next! Ties That Bind Next! Ties That Bind Next!

[@XDapologist]

The gimp like villain from ties that bind gave me nightmares for a week

[@3ndlessL00p]

Oh, the game whose art and screenshots in a game magazine had me scared shitless and morbidly fascinated. I was raised very christian and very sheltered. Today, I am a horror fiend. Maybe it's time to get a copy of The Suffering

[@Alpha-D-Juliett]

I remember playing this game at like 10 years old on the OG xbox, but it gave me multiple nightmares so i wasn't allowed to play it for a year, even though i still wanted to... good times man haha

[@KaijuKev]

I remember loving this game. I was curious why I didn't get the sequel. Then Shaolin Monks was mentioned.

[@AkumetsuLord]

"Horror games were seen as a dying genre" ...Resident Evil 4 was the start of 2005, Midway! WHAT DO MEAN?!

[@luxorshark4343]

I think an interesting game for you to look over would be the game Sadness that was going to be released only on the Wii and it got cancelled. It's story, design, and gameplay mechanics were really something for the time had it been released.

[@Malicious_Malachi]

I always wanted to play this back in the day but didn't get to until recently through emulation and I can say it holds up even twenty years later, it perfectly threads the needle between Resident Evil's gunplay and Silent Hills dark horror visuals/atmosphere. I didn't care for the big story twist or simplifying of mechanics in the second game but the visuals of a Demon-pocalypse taking over Baltimore city is cool on its own.

[@HaefentheZebra]

I actually enjoyed both games when they came out. It's a shame we never got to see where it could've gone.

[@KallosCrypt]

In the end, I am happy this game ended up the way it did, I am still disheartened to see this series being lost to time. I hope somebody out there will buy the rights to the game and resurrect it from the grave

[@WarSerebii]

This is still one of my fave horror game series, and I played thru the first one just a month or two ago. def diserves a remake/remaster. The monster designs were really unique and had lore behind em

[@Sadboy-ow1ig]

Literally this game does deserve a remake somebody see if they can do a petition to bring this game back one and two full-blown remake to all consoles

[@MaxDrawsStuff]

I loved The Suffering, but Ties That Bind was released so fast and looked almost the same from the screenshots, so I remember thinking that it was just an expansion and never bothered trying it out...

[@christopherstevens337]

Bro I know October is almost over and I’m sure you have a stacked schedule already but could you eventually do a CarnEvil episode? Love your work btw

[@TsunamiSkweek]

my Saturday treat, appreciate you

[@linx832]

Was I not just thinking of this last episode, nice job

[@EddieTHead2266]

Whoa I just bought a copy of this 2 hours ago at Games Ahoy. Had to sell while in college to eat. Been on a reclamation tour latley to get my game collection back. Matt you watching me????

[@officegossip]

I found this at a yard sale in a bundle during the 2000s for dumb cheap. One of the best horror games I’ve ever played.

[@MadnessMan13]

Funny enough the first time I played The Suffering was on accident. I was in second grade & my dad bought me an Official Xbox Magazine for the then “new” James Bond Everything Or Nothing game which came with a demo disc containing a bunch of demos. When trying out all the demos on the disc I finally came to the demo for The Suffering & saying I was terrified playing it as a little second grader is an understatement 😂 it was one of those games I KNEW my mom would’ve killed me if she knew I was playing at the time but I was so invested in it because of the real fear I was feeling while playing it. I loved it, & to this day I attest that demo to contributing to my love for horror games to this day.

[@kylereno5383]

The first game is by far one of my favorite games of all time. I mustve beaten it at least 30 times. The second was ok. This series def deserved better.

[@MrFisher103]

My PS2 copies of these games are the only cases I have displayed cover out on my collection shelf. The first one got me into survival horror games.

[@OscarHernandez-nc5de]

That snoop dogg game just unlocked a lost memory in my head.

[@Skyfighter070]

Aayyy Liam Robertson mention W. Aha looked up his vid when you mentioned This is Vegas b/c I swore either you or he covered it.

[@chief664]

No only is WB just sitting on this. They’re actually been delisting the games too.

[@RetroGamer-un8mj]

Here’s a idea how about a video on What Happened to the SSX Snowboarding game series

[@jamesbump4765]

I was literally thinking this morning that I needed to go back and see if there's a WH on The Suffering that I needed to refresh myself on. Like I swear this already existed 😅

[@Crimsontears83]

Man it sucks that these games just died. Hey, maybe Torque could show up in MK dlc? Huh? NetherRealm? Torque in MK?

[@PlaystationTalks]

The 1st Suffering is still one my dad fav games... Miss those days when my family was soo close.... now... people moved on mad... passed away..... my dad is sick. medical bills gonna kill me as well.. but at least i tried...

[@CoreyJohnson193]

Were so far into the future were getting a well-made Doom clone every week...

[@Alexalicious]

We need a bunch of Midway franchises to either return or at least be remastered.

[@Pipkiablo]

The Suffering is actually in my top ten favorite video games of all time. I'm really sad that it's been forgotten, at least by the gaming industry.

[@OctaviousNight]

Oh my god Matt, this is a game I’ve forgotten about, I remember looking it up but because of how long ago since I’ve seen my cousin play it I gave up looking, I remembered only little of the game(protagonist turning into a hideous monster, being a kind of first and third person game) and now I finally know what it is…thats my biggest takeaway from this episode

[@MrTeslatank]

i still have both games on my game shelf something the games did that i really liked is that it 'ported' over your routes that you did with the moral decisions which where the style at the time :d