The Sun VS the Ascendant in Your Birth Chart: Kelly talks with Michael Morris

Kelly's online Astrology training program: www.kellysastrology.com/cours...
Kelly and Michael discuss their mutual love of sharing Astrology with others in multiple ways. They give us glimpses into their own stories but also dig into the differences between the story the Sun tells in a birth chart and the ones told by the Ascendant and the ascendant’s ruling planet.
They explore the spirituality and philosophy of the Sun, the ascendant, and the visible planets. They discuss the beauty of and the connections between ancient and modern astrological perspectives. They reflect on the question: “How central a position does the Sun take in your chart?”
Join them in this engaging exploration of astrology as a support system to understand our full selves, our potential, and our world.
Co Witchcraft offerings with Michael J. Morris - www.michaeljmorris.co
Kelly’s 2019 NORWAC Keynote ‘Towards a Collaborative Future’ is available online at www.kellysastrology.com/produ...

[@BigHenFor]

I've been studying astrology off and on for decades, and this conversation was a lightbulb moment that clarified a lot of difficulties that were boulders in my path. Thank you both for showing me a way over.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching! Glad we could be with you for this lightbulb moment.

[@waalitjkoort6781]

"Yet when we commit to true love, we are committed to being changed, to being acted upon by the beloved in a way that enables us to be more self-actualized. " ... such a wonderful quote to ponder. Thanks, Michael.

[@morrismichaelj]

you're very welcome! it comes from All About Love by bell hooks.

[@kurtfausset3102]

This was such a lovely and inspirational conversation. I hope to see more of these chats between you two in the future. It's such an honor to be a part of a community with so many amazing queer voices. I've studied astrology for about 29 years, and have been interested in architecture for even longer. I found it funny when I realized they were both ruled by Saturn in astrology. Throughout my architecture career, I've learned about so many different types of walls: demising walls, pony walls, skirt walls, retaining walls, non-bearing walls, double walls, and on and on. Some walls need to keep out the cold, and others need to hold up rooves. Some need to resist fire. Others need to insulate sound while being transparent. As I result of this architecture knowledge, I've started joking that I specialize in Saturn. It's given me such a nuanced understanding of Saturn and all of the ways he can appear in peoples lives.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for such generous words, Kurt! It’s an honor to share this conversation with you. And I love that you have become a Saturn expert by way of architecture! That makes so much sense, and it’s somehow still the first time I’ve heard someone who lives at that intersection of astrology and architecture. Thank you for sharing!

[@sammyellini8980]

Two wonderful, articulate, and compassionate humans! So grateful for your wisdoms and insights on this extremely important and relevant topic. I cross-pollinate my astrology studies with floristry! When I do in-person consultations, I will usually end the session with creating a bouquet or floral piece for the client. As I create it, I inject the piece with so much intention (choosing the right colors, types of flowers/foliages, smells, and overal asthetic), that I believe can be used for healing and to boost positivity, in similar ways that people use gemstones. I also will make ALL the plant metaphors.

[@morrismichaelj]

I love that you connect astrology and floristry! There's such a long tradition of connecting the planets with different plants and astro-herbalism, and it sounds so beautiful to bring that into floral design. What a beautiful gift for your clients!

[@jodiearrington]

Great interview with Michael. He, like you Kelly, has this wonderful clear and concise way of explaining things. There were so many moments of clarity in this talk with him. Thank you both!

[@aidanjohnwalsh2129]

Their (Michael's) pronouns are them and they.

[@lisamichel7984]

Oh Kelly. This is why astrology is so brilliant. The connection you have with Michael is super exciting. It was obvious you were meant to meet. A truly antiscia moment ... I mean you really bring out the best in each other. Looking forward to more of Michael. What a precious gem of an interview.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for these really kind reflections, Lisa!

[@thesashaboyleastrologyshow4026]

I just love your conversation here Kelly + Michael

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks for watching, Sasha! I LOVE what you've shared about bringing the zodiacal melothesia to your sequencing of asana. As a long time yoga practitioner/teacher, I find that really inspiring. Thank you for sharing!

[@Grace-lw4hd]

What a wonderful episode! ❤❤❤Michael is fantastic- I learned so much from this conversation! Thanks so so much for sharing this on your channel !💕💕💕

[@KellysAstrology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sofiedimarco5851]

This was so energizing to listen to! The concept of cross pollination IS the reason I’ve profoundly connected to astro ⭐️

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching! I agree, astrology is literally devised from making connections-between the movements of the cosmos and life on earth-and so it really lends itself to more and more connections and cross-pollination.

[@janetcetera]

This was really lovely! So proud to be your student, Michael & Kelly.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Janet! I’m very grateful to get to work with you.

[@450QueenStreet]

I could listen to Michael Morris for hours! What a beautiful video. Thank you both!

[@morrismichaelj]

What a generous thing to say! Thank you for watching, Sarah!

[@jonenos8]

Outstanding conversation guys. I have been waiting for a an in-depth treatment of this topic for some time. Thanks very much.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks so much for watching, Jon!

[@lisadiomande6046]

I so appreciated how, in a funny way, you both exemplified exactly what you were discussing: in the literal sense (American/northern hemisphere; Australian/southern hemisphere; older/younger; cis/binary; hellenistic/modern interpretations) and how the entire point of your discussion was the crossing over, the exchange, the appreciation for BOTH as part of the whole. I also loved the SHARING, the CONNECTING, the UNDERSTANDING between you and your chosen material - really fantastic! Thank you both!❤

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Lisa! What is thoughtful and generous reflection on all the ways we embody what we were discussing. I hope it was useful!

[@invisiblemissx]

37:07 - This is so well said! For better or worse, these intimate relationships shape us into who we become. This current Venus Rx conjunct Pluto is taking place in my 6th house (I'm Leo rising) This marks the end of a 16-year relationship with my therapist who I looked up to as a second father figure. It's taken me all these years to realize the full extent of the manipulation and misconduct he's perpetrated behind the scenes. I thought I was the only one he critisized and was condescending to in therapy. As a Leo with years of criticism shattering my confidence, from my own 'father-like' therapist, it's taken me months to bring myself to this point of 'betraying' him to investigators. However, after over 6 months of research (moon in Scorpio, sun in Gemini) I was heartsick when I realized his narcissistic and psychopathic traits, along with his professional credentials, meant it would be impossible for me to leave this daunting task to anyone else. Having been on the receiving end of his manipulation for as long as I have, and now recognizing the patterns of how his mind works, I can anticipate his responses and cover all those bases in my report, including counter manipulating him to get things on the record so he can't change his story when confronted. This is not a "skill set" I ever wanted and it's still difficult to imagine my future without him and the mutual friends we've shared over the last 16-years -- but for better or worse, he's shaped me into the person I am today. The mental games necessary to make the case as solid as it needs to be and the determination not to let my loyalty/emotions get in the way of doing what I know needs to be done. I learned that from him, in an albeit more destrctive manner but I'm not sure if I would have learned those lessons without him playing the role he played in my life. I thought this was an excellent interview. I love how Michael describes the the complexity of human nature and relates it back to astrology. This warmed my heart after all the recent negativity I've been having to focus on. ❤️ Cheers to you both.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much for watching. It sounds like you are moving through a very painful process of disillusionment and separation from your therapist, and I hope that you find healing in the grieving and beyond. This is not the end of the story.

[@invisiblemissx]

@@morrismichaelj Thank you so much! It's been a journey of awakening to get to this point. As overwhelmed as I feel sometimes, I am fortunate that my emotional wounds aren't as fresh as a few of the other victims I know. These individuals are not only a reminder of the reason I'm doing this and the harm I'm working to prevent in the future. But their love, support, and encouragement throughout this process-- even while still in the early stages of healing from their own traumatic experiences with him-- has been a testament, to the resilience of the human spirit. Our capacity to struggle, to grieve, to share, to comfort, to reflect, and eventually, to overcome the past that once held us captive. I'm not sure where the story will take us but I'm confident it's somewhere better than where we've been. You're wise beyond your years, Michael. Hope to see you in another interview again in the future. 💕

[@katandpancho5513]

Great chat. Micheal articulates the points so well with Kelly

[@morrismichaelj]

thank you so much!

[@annaritafilosa2623]

So great to see Michael 🤩 and their wonderful earrings 😍

[@CurtisTaylor3813]

"central organizing principle" wow! Michael that's by far the best way I've heard it described. Bravo 👏👏. You don't know how much you have just gave me clarity. Thanks dearly for sharing. I've been struggling with this topic for way too long and you just pretty much summed it up with 3 words. Bravo 👏👏

[@morrismichaelj]

I'm so glad that idea resonates with you! Thanks for watching.

[@MrsBoobaloo]

What a gorgeous discussion, so rich and meaningful and addressing a topic that I’ve been tripping over in my studies. Listening to you riffing off each other is such a joy, your enthusiasm for the topic is infectious!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much for watching! I'm glad you found meaning and joy in our conversation.

[@spaceforthesoul6286]

acidentally clicked on this from minute 6 and it is So Valuable 💛 loving it. thank you both!

[@KellysAstrology]

You're so welcome!

[@lifecanbefun_]

Yesss! I've been telling everyone to start looking at the Ascendant as the sign of our personality and character, urging them to identify with it as main zodiac sign. Because it is, that is true :) Great conversation and I love you both, beautiful people!

[@morrismichaelj]

thank you so much for watching/listening!

[@lifecanbefun_]

@@morrismichaeljyear after this comment and I came across this video once again. Astrologers seem to really be undecided what placement stands for identity - Sun or the Ascendant. From my understanding the Sun is center focus of our life and it's purpose that is fueling our vision and motivation. The Ascendant is everything that we are, our identity, personality, appearance (shared with moon) and behavior

[@rubiemonteiro2902]

OMG you guys are amazing!!! Love to see Kelly receiving Michael here 🥰❤

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Rubie!

[@blancam5272]

Love the reference to “cross pollination” I am an immigrant and a professional health care interpreter. I find myself blending the lessons from my traditional Mexican upbringing into the way I read charts. Such a great guest and invaluable topic to speak on. Thank you.

[@morrismichaelj]

I love this, Blanca! I think our astrology gets so much richer when we bring these kinds of influences into how we interpret charts. thank you for sharing!

[@blancam5272]

@@morrismichaelj 💜💜

[@MrFredward24]

Who else agrees that these long-form discussions are the bee's pajamas?! Fantastic discussion, thank you Kelly and Michael! Can't wait for more :)

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, mike! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@darlakrebs7177]

So much gratitude for this! 💜🙏🏽✨ Loved the "bibliomancy" reveal 😸and everything in this conversation. Went by so fast.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Darla! Yes, I love the way astrology turns me back toward books and how the books turn me back toward astrology. It's such a big part of my practice.

[@lkhfun6575]

Wow!!! Fantastic discussion! I feel a new reverence for the nature of astrology and a desire to notice the subtle cross pollinations that make me who I am. Thank you, Kelly and Michael!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@cathys4055]

Great convo! And thank you for sharing Michael with us!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much!

[@zaccpowell]

I love this chat SO👏🏽MUCH👏🏽 Thank you to you both for sharing your wisdom 💕

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Zacchary! Very grateful for you.

[@janerobinson6820]

Wonderful presentation! this is my first exposure to Michael's work - so great to hear this voice being shared in astrological circles. Also loving the social justice angle, I work in the counseling field and hold space for those marginalized and oppressed in our society and offer counseling from an empowerment lens.

[@morrismichaelj]

thank you, Jane! it sounds like you are doing really important work, and I hope our conversation can be useful in some way.

[@sweetcarolyn777]

Geez. I can listen to Michael all day long. Thank you so much for sharing your gift. Thank you so much for introducing him to us.

[@KellysAstrology]

Thanks for listening! We're so glad you enjoyed the episode and found it helpful. A quick clarification, Michael uses they/them pronouns. Wishing you a wonderful weekend!

[@ranniazorya]

Absolutely GORGEOUS discussion. I love when astrology meets social science and humanities theory.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Zoha!

[@ranniazorya]

@@morrismichaelj you're a brilliant thinker. I hope you keep shining for us all to witness.

[@TheAmyzingLife]

Fabulous discussion! Loved your dialog ~ great info. Many thx to you both 🙏 you 2 are quite the inspiring duo ♡♡

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Amelia! I’m glad you enjoyed it.

[@pennymay2141]

Ah thank you! This has really helped me to get a handle on integrating Astrology with the rest of my life.

[@morrismichaelj]

thank you for watching/listening, Penny!

[@MissingFromPartsUnknown]

This is packed full of really helpful information. I've watched all of it and put it in my watch later to go over again more slowly. Thanks to both of you 💞💕

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Dani! I'm glad the conversation was helpful.

[@jem2250]

Kelly - I surely hope you do more of these interviews of this caliber. What a brilliant find for the community to hear Michael speak and shine. As for CROSS POLLINATION. I really can't imagine what in life does not intersect and overlap with astrology. I view the whole of life through this lens. Often I hear key phrases of favorite people interviewed on You Tube etc describe their life that completely reflects their charts for example (great teaching tool). Also, in retrospect, with the progressed Sun in Taurus I had a grand garden and self-identified as a gardener. And now, with so much stimulation with Uranus there, I am becoming much more aware in a meaningful way about sexual identification, perspectives on life from other views I was not listening to before etc and this is freeing as when we allow others to be out of the boxes, this frees our-self to do the same. Because our life becomes more informed, a natural consequence is that the astrology we do for self and others does too. I see cross pollination to be very close to Jungian concept of synchronicity. The outer reflects the inner, and the outer mirrors the outer, is constitutive to use Michael's term in its own way. All of this reminds me of Martin Buber's I and Thou. We find meaning in relationship.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Jem! I agree, the more we allow others to become more of themselves, the more capable we are of extending that generosity and space to ourselves as well. I'm glad astrology is supporting you in that process!

[@caseygannon8467]

Fantastic session/ interview/ whatever with Michael. Michael J. Morris is a superstar! Can't wait to hear more from him. It's so important to listen to a variety of teachers, even if you're a devoted student to one main teacher, still don't stop looking in other places for different takes. It's vital to the creation of your own individual offering to the world. Blessings

[@anna3097]

*them

[@Velvet_Intrigue]

This was absolutely wonderful! Such a helpful and refreshingly integrative perspective!

[@KellysAstrology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@druish99]

Beautiful conversation. Love listening to you two shining suns!

[@morrismichaelj]

thank you for listening!

[@elleobi]

Very inspiring conversation! Thank you

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching!

[@el_museo.mp4]

Kelly has the warmest soul.

[@Kimartist11]

Fascinating discussion leaving so much to think about. Love the enthusiasm- it’s contagious!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks for watching, Kim!

[@Kimartist11]

@@morrismichaelj Great to see you Michael! :)

[@nataliefbehler]

What a great talk, and even more exciting to learn of such an excellent astrologer in my part of the world! I often find myself thinking about how astrology connects to other parts of life, even things like personal style and especially storytelling and folklore.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks for watching, Natalie! I love the connections you're describing with style, storytelling, and folklore, and I definitely think they can all inform how we make meaning with astrology.

[@m.r.7836]

Thank you both! PS Michael - always a joy to see you!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Monique! Always a joy to see you as well.

[@m.r.7836]

@@morrismichaelj 🙂

[@deidrelorenz8851]

Thank you, michael & kelly! You are both beahruful souls & beings!! Michael, i love how you discussed integrating multiple modalities/practices into your work. Very good astrology interpretation..💚♥️🎊

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Deidre!

[@solmma]

I want to be part of this project! It made so much sense to me!

[@cinza6670]

Thank you for letting me in this conversation! I listened to you as I made chicken soup on this very cold day n Michigan ♑️ I cross pollinate with my healing work and what is tending w my clients.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for listening, Cynthia! I hope you are staying warm. Astrology has a very long history with healing practices, and I love that that is a synthesis you are advancing as well.

[@juniperthewolf5624]

Exactly what needed hearing. Thanks a million.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks for watching! I'm glad we could offer something that you needed to hear.

[@MB.77]

I enjoyed this very much. So much substance and interesting perspective. Please have Michael on one of your future interviews or podcasts again. They’re just so well spoken knowledgeable and intelligent. There are countless things that validate Astrology all around us each moment of every day which makes it just so endearing and fascinating. I love to create astrology related art and also pay particular attention to the ways in which different types of artists and people in general create and being able to relate it to their birth chart, and also observing how progressed charts influence those closest to me in their current lives. I enjoy paying attention and observing how Astrology constantly manifests itself at a personal level as well as at a collective level. As someone who can appreciate originality, unconventionality and our differences, with Uranus in Scorpio in my VII house, it was great to be reminded of all the nuances that make us the complex evolving individuals we are. So much interconnection between all living beings and the universe. Very inspiring conversation! Loved it! Thank you both :)

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Marilyne, and for these really generous words!

[@MB.77]

@@morrismichaelj You’re welcome 💛

[@cathymicallef1783]

Thank you beautiful souls!

[@KellysAstrology]

Thanks so much for watching Cathy!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Cathy!

[@Michelle-cb5jf]

Loved this! Michael is amazing!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Michelle!

[@KellysAstrology]

Yes they are!

[@LadiEncore]

Sun in 10H, comments around 22 minutes is spot on! Moved around multiple time for my job, sacrificed personal life. Interestingly I changed all of that during my Saturn return

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for sharing! That's exactly the kind of thing I might expect from the Sun in the 10th House, especially as that gives the Sun even more importance as the luminary of sect.

[@joollywoolly6864]

Kelly and Michael, thank you both so much... this was truly helpful and i am grateful.. from a leo rising with an aquarian sun in the 7th, who has struggled to differentiate. This breathed some air into my chart and my understanding. Thank you both so much💕🌊

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much for watching! I'm glad it was helpful.

[@joollywoolly6864]

@@morrismichaelj you're the first person to ever help me feel it, Michael. Magic!

[@sweetcarolyn777]

Oh what a beautiful soul you are!! Great for you. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@alicianicole4634]

Love this! Thank you, both!!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Alicia!

[@trish4977]

Great discussion, thankyou.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Trish!

[@claudialarsson7439]

Thank you! Wow! Such brilliance!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Claudia!

[@NicksElixir]

Love this. As I've adopted a more traditional approach to Astrology, I've been meditating on the difference between the Ascendant and the sun.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@zenlifetv4837]

Please do more of these types of videos!

[@teadale2693]

This is so wonderful Kelly and Michael, thank you!.. I don't have an exact time for my birth.. I have it down, I think to a 15 minute or so range.. between Sag and Cap.. I've tried, over the last year or so, as I've been learning astrology, to remediate it as much as I can.. I think I need a professional to just give it the last look. It's so frustrating not knowing.. especially as it is so central to who we are.. I guess it explains why I've never really felt known... even to myself.

[@beautygymnast99]

Look at Saturn transits and what house they’re going through for both of those signs. Whole sign it would be 2nd and 3rd house. Saturn brings restrictions or responsibility. Do either of those resonate with you more?

[@shanebowles6335]

Carl Jung states that whatever is rejected from the SELF manifests in the external world as an event. This psycho-spiritual-physical material observation bridges the modern and the ancient POVs on this.

[@astrologyobsessed]

I liked this

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks for watching!

[@loribarnes]

This was fantastic, it was a pleasure hearing your philosophy and practice of interpreting the Sun Michael! I am curious if you use Solar Returns in your practice and if you use the same concept for yearly forecasting. Like do you look at the sun in the SR chart as providing information for what will be the multivalent central organizing principle of the year by placement and rulership? Thank you so much Kelly, your videos are always fantastic!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Lori! And that's a great question. I do work with solar returns, but mostly along with annual profections, examining the condition of the annual time lord in the solar return as a indication of its ability to deliver the natal potential. Sometimes I'll look at the solar return chart for topical information, but never as a stand-alone chart from the natal chart. The Sun in the solar return is special because it will always be in the same sign/degree (by definition), but I would perhaps consider the house placement in the solar return to be descriptive of a central focus in that particular year-especially in a Leo profection year. But mostly I focus on the profected time lord for the year in the solar return chart as describing the focus of that year. I hope that's helpful!

[@TheEphymarium]

This was actually one of the best talks on astrology I've listened to! Such interesting view points and really cleared up some concepts I've found elusive. "Allowing for the messiness of life.." so much yes 🤍 It is my mantra. Thank you both!

[@KellysAstrology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@el_museo.mp4]

Loved Michael!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much!

[@mspioneergirl]

Great talk. I love the idea of cross pollinating. I am using my love of astrology and tarot to figure out a way to bring them together in partnership, incorporating numerology and crystals. I hadn’t thought if my writing and graphic design in that way. The live the thought of also bringing in my life of gardening, cooking, and singing into the mix. It all speaks of my Scorpio Ascendent / NN, Taurus Sun / SN with my Leo Midheaven. Heading toward my mid 60s and a path I’ve travelled and veered off of my whole life. Making lots of family connections, too.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching! It sounds like you are living a rich life all around and throughout your astrology and tarot, and I have no doubt that your numerology, crystals, writing, graphic design, gardening, cooking, and singing all already shape how you are making meaning of the sky, even if in subtle ways. What an exciting path you are travelling!

[@mspioneergirl]

@@morrismichaelj oh, thank you. I’ve always felt a Jack of all trades master of none, but in the past year have learned to embrace it and see that as a gift. 💫💛💫

[@CurtisTaylor3813]

Apologies Kelly! Thanks for sharing; I really love what you're doing, it's given me more direction in my life. Sagittarius rising and Gemini Sun descendant both on the axis line

[@pimlico3225]

All I know about astrology stems from the books I'd started reading in high school all the way through internet blogs in the early 00s' and now ongoing through the Astrology Podcast and your channel. Sadly my library dwindled with each city I'd move away from, but at some point I'll look at recreating the entire inventory, haha. At some point I'm quite certain I'm cross-polinating or borrowing certain turns of phrase, although it would seem most would eventually when speaking about the same topics. Anyway, really appreciated this chat and the willingness to explore other aspects of astrology that while not steeped in tradition, might have some validity in areas. Mentioning black-and-white thinking vs. the inclusivity of grey areas and acceptance of messiness is something I've been championing quite a bit of late. Great talk, thank you both!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much for watching! I'm glad things we discussed resonated.

[@genevievechirelstein6537]

Hi Michael thank you

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Genevieve!

[@brendapappas8433]

Love this.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks, Brenda!

[@theplayofsunandshadow7062]

Good stuff!

[@KellysAstrology]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@christiecollins8296]

Kelly your hair looks extra beautiful today ♥️🌟♥️

[@KellysAstrology]

Thank you! I hope you like the interview

[@christiecollins8296]

@@KellysAstrology Loved it !! Xx

[@shanebowles6335]

Desmond Tutu, I think it was, said a person is a person in relation to other persons.

[@LostSound4]

I have been confused by sun and rising for years, until now

[@EVschoice10]

I love you both!!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you so much!

[@mattwebb8255]

Brilliant!

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks, matt!

[@ameliamohamed5039]

Thank you. .

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you for watching, Amelia!

[@thesashaboyleastrologyshow4026]

I just adore you both.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Sasha! That's very kind.

[@KellyWatts1302]

I have an Aquarius Sun 10H and Taurus Rising. The ruler of my Taurus rising is Venus and she is also in my Aquarius 10H. These houses square each other which means that I am very much these 2 parts.

[@jem2250]

Brilliant. Thank you. PS Jupiter square natal Moon in Sag as I listen. Just awesome time to hear this.

[@morrismichaelj]

Thank you, Jem! I'm so glad we could be part of your Jupiter transit.

[@aidanjohnwalsh2129]

There is a theory that we become the average of the five people we spend the most time with.

[@sabam9845]

Great conversation thanks , a question please so Ac is more important than sun sign but what if we have stelium in sun sign ? I have virgo sun and mercury venus saturn and north node in virgo and ac is cap so my ruler is in my sun sign , so which one should I listen more? My sun or Ac sign?

[@morrismichaelj]

Thanks for watching! I wouldn't say that the Ascendant is more important than the Sun, but rather that they describe different things. I hope that's clear. I'm not sure what you mean by which one you should listen to more, but I would say listen to your whole chart rather than any one part of it. It's all describing your life in different ways. If both the Ascendant ruler and your Sun are in the same sign, then the topics of whatever house is occupied by that sign are going to be incredibly important for your life.

[@tzerpa9446]

What about Leo ascendants, since the sun is the ruler of their ascendant? Do they conflate sun and ascendant?🤔

[@hvvlsn9237]

tekrar dinleyeceğim harika

[@bhavens9149]

In Japanese mythology moon is male and is a messenger also early mesopotamian Moon is male (Sin) is a messenger and advisor (very mercury style identity) but those are exceptions rather than the rule, I agree, just like to mention the outliers.

[@morrismichaelj]

That's fascinating! Thanks for sharing. I by no means think that the so-called western astrological tradition's significations are universal. It's just the tradition in which both Kelly and I practice.

[@bhavens9149]

@@morrismichaelj Understood! :) was just putting out the exceptions as FYI, thank you for the response!

[@shanebowles6335]

What about Cancer Moon on the Asc in square to Mars and opposite Venus and Mercury?

[@anitamurkes9511]

Are traditional astrology using vedic astr. chart ?

[@KellysAstrology]

Western traditional astrology doesn't use the Vedic style chart.

[@gimelresh]

😍😍😍

[@cherchezlamoon]

Hi. I plan on listening to this later but did they cover what if the sun and ascendant is in the same sign? Thank you. I learn so much from Kelly

[@krasen.dimkow]

No.

[@cherchezlamoon]

@@krasen.dimkow Thank you.

[@BigHenFor]

It's more about what is the division of labour in the birth chart between the Ascendant, its sign, and its ruler and their house and the Sun and its sign and house.

[@gratitudeindeed8190]

My moon is Aquarius ♒ saggy raising. Mom was saggy sun 🌞 Aquarius raising. I don't believe we are alike ...she lived till 45 life was too much for her. .I'm in my 60s....

[@gratitudeindeed8190]

Can u see in your chart if you knew your real dad? Mom said my real dad was not my dad. He believed till death and told me again. Would like to know. Probably not a western astrology we question ⁉️

[@angelam1702]

How can someone who identifies as they-them-their refer to themselves as "I". Shouldn't it be they? Or we?

[@novalunatica]

Singular “they” has been in use for hundreds of years in both formal and informal English language. There is no need to try to pluralize anything. It wouldn’t change the use of I anyway since I is used by all to speak in the first-person and not the third-person where he/she/they is used.

[@angelam1702]

So, may I address them as "you" or not?

[@novalunatica]

@@angelam1702 that would be speaking in the second-person, and yes, you is used for every person as well, regardless of the pronouns used when speaking in the third person.

[@angelam1702]

@@novalunatica I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about this preference. I thought we were supposed to greet with, " Hello, how are they?".

[@novalunatica]

I can’t imagine a situation where this would be true. If you use “you” in the second-person for someone that prefers he or she pronouns, you can use it for someone that prefers “they”. You only use ‘they’ when in the third person. A basic understanding of English should make this quite clear and simple. Is English is not your primary language? If not, then I’m sorry - I know every language has a different baseline and usage. But again, for English speakers, this is all very straightforward.

[@bridieconroy1368]

Really disappointed Kelly to hear you indulge in compelled speech. Enabling the magical thinking of those who wish to ingress women and girls safe spaces threatens all women and girls everywhere. Particularly those who are sportswomen (viz swimming in the USA atm), women's prisons (viz men transferring to the female estate, check California and many other states), viz men accessing dv and rape crisis centres. If you call a man she, you create a world where all the above follows. Please reconsider what you have started doing. Thank you.

[@invisiblemissx]

You're honestly disappointed in Kelly for not upholding the integrity of women's prisons as "safe spaces" for cis women/girls because she had a member of the LGBTQ+ community on her podcast to talk about astrology? What are you saying? Spit it out in plain English. Are you conflating Kelly using Michael's preferred pronouns with some kind of micro-aggression against cis women/girls everywhere? P.S. I've worked at a DV shelter and on our rape crisis team and if you think women are the only ones who can be victims of this kind of abuse, you're willfully ignorant of reality.

[@invisiblemissx]

Oy... 🙄 Rather than posting other people's talking points, how do YOU recommend regulating your binary "black-and-white" utopian society? Mandatory pelvic exams to use the women's restroom? You want your tax dollars to go to funding separate LGBTQ+ jails/prisons and DV shelters because in your society cis-gender men and women shouldn't be in shared living spaces with LGBTQ+ individuals? What about people who are intersex? What's your criteria for determining a person's sex? Genetic testing? My co-worker's child has kleinfelter syndrome. They have XXY. Where do they go in your binary world? Physical presentation? So as long as transgender people are POST- gender confirmation surgery, that's alright? If you believe your own defining characteristic is what's been their legs, I'm sorry for you. I believe you're more than that. Just like I believe Michael contributed more to this interview than just their preferred pronouns. It seems like you believe women deserve the opportunity to get an education, to have careers, to play competitive sports. Yet, every one of these things were considered "masculine" and "unladylike" not too long ago. I'm not saying you need to adopt non-binary titles for yourself or start going to LGBTQ+ events if they don't fit with your personal beliefs. But maybe consider that nothing in life is as black-and-white as the media or political parties paint them out to be.

[@bridieconroy1368]

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[@invisiblemissx]

_After you failed to answer a single one of the questions above, you're posting ANOTHER link with almost 2 hours worth of someone else's talking points??_ Do you have ANY independent thoughts of your own? Because at this point it seems like you're 'doubling down' on willful ignorance and trolling the comments section in order to critisize, invalidate, and spread unwarranted hate-- which, mind you, is entirely unrelated to the topic being discussed in this video-- without even reflecting on the questions that I've asked you. I'm open to engage in respectful dialogue with you but dropping these links in order to use _OTHER PEOPLE'S_ words and opinions to respond to questions that _YOU_ refuse to answer is both lazy and cowardly.

[@leerylifeform]

This is how Kelly gets her woke points. I found this “discussion” so empty and rambling. Like, get to the point instead making all these lame, vague comments. Imagine how bad the classes are.

[@anitamurkes9511]

That’s how I thought it ment (outside influences and supportive energies) already from first vedicastr. video.