The Supernatural is Natural - And the more you investigate reality the more extraordinary it appears

[@RepairRenovateRenew]

Stephen Schwartz has done tremendous scientific studies on reincarnation evidence that are very intriguing.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for the tip my friend I will certainly looks this up! 🙏🙏🙏

[@discordlexia2429]

Really? I'd like to see that. That would be... That would be a game-changer for me.

[@hansenmarc]

When I think about dependent origination and karma, I’m reminded of a quote by Carl Sagan: ‘If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.’

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yes, yes! That's exactly it there isn't anything that doesn't share this trait! 🙏

[@DrOtto-sx7cp]

Carl also stated: "Answers from authorities are worthless" 😏

[@QUIKB3N]

Why is this SO funny 😂

[@flipalippeentown9361]

As a physicist myself I'm not at all troubled by this, infact quite the opposite. I don't think there is any final truth or end to causality, and this brings me great joy and excitement because I feel I can always learn more and it will only open up new more amazing questions that make me even more profoundly in awe of existence.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I really like you way of thinking friend, and thank you for sharing your experience! ♥

[@WilliamBurke-ri1sl]

You speak the TRUTH and you do so in a very REALISTIC way as the Buddha taught. So good to hear you my friend .

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤ thank you William I appreciate your support ❤

[@keyrealm3312]

This video is beyond helpful in my explanations to when I speak to the scientifically minded. You are an amazing teacher friend!

[@ultimatemeaning]

You're all too kind, my friend. Thank you for your words of support.♥♥♥

[@cosmophobia1917]

This is one of the best channels I have come across, thank you & bless you!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you friend you flatter me with your high praise, it makes me blush 😊

[@Sonder8582]

13:38, I believe valid mediation is any form of effort that brings you to the present with a deeper sense of awareness. Washing the dishes can be a form of mediation, applying your focus to the act solely, and quietly. There are so many different forms of mediation, I feel like the best form of it would be the one that puts the practitioner in the seat of consciousness, deep awareness. Awareness of the self, others, the micro and macro aspects of this giant universe.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Granted that there are two basic types of meditation Shamata (stilling) and Vipassana (insight) and that what you refer to here falls into this first category. For that there are infinite different methods, but ultimately insight is required for transcendence. 🙏🙏🙏

[@caseyjones2048]

Without love compassion and mercy none of us would be here

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤ key point in Mahayana Buddhism ❤

[@MarblesProductions]

Thank you for sharing your insight 🙏💕💫from consistent breathwork and meditation I am now starting to experience new parts of the “magical” reality we live in.

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤❤❤how wonderful! I hope your expenses blossom ❤❤❤

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

This video reminds me a lot of something I've heard before. A good friend of mine, who I consider to be a very wise woman, once told me that "that which is, is." Natural and supernatural are rather dualist labels, which at their core only describe the knowledge humanity have of things. But they are just that, labels. And nothing else. If something is, whether considered supernatural or not, it is. Better (and more fun!) to be open to the universe and its possibilities, than to close yourself off to them. Or you might miss those things that exist, just because you assume you already know it all. She meant, anyways, that it's not really a line you have to draw. The division between natural and supernatural is, in some ways, imaginary. And a needless one to make. Great video, friend. Thank you. I look forward to the next clear night, when I get to look up at that awe-inspiring night sky.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for sharing your take on this and the words of the wise woman 🙏🙏🙏

[@donellacurley4941]

Thank you again Lama Choga for the golden nuggets of wisdom you share with all of us, blessings to you and your family!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for your kind wishes Donella! ♥♥♥

[@donellacurley4941]

@@ultimatemeaning ❤🏵

[@coconutmilch2351]

Quantum entanglement is the most romantic thing I’ve ever heard of.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Oh! I see what you mean 😊

[@coconutmilch2351]

@@ultimatemeaning😂

[@Iwantalloftheinformation]

lol

[@SteveCondron]

I remember choosing to incarnate knowing that karma would follow me. It's been a tough gig and worth every minute.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Samsara is the toughest gig friend 🙏🙏🙏

[@bulletman6352]

2:30 it looks like there might be some missunderstanding. From my understansig the reason why it’s instant is because we know of it. Let’s say there is a variable A and it has the conmection to the variable B via this equation A=B-3. If we know A we can find out B easily. Same with quantom particales. The odd thing is that the particle can be in one state or another and it’s both as long as it remains unmeasured. When it is meassured it becomes only one of them and stays that way. Now the particle that is light years away had interacted with this particle that we are experimenting with and via that interaction it is so that what ever charg one has the other will have the opposite. And as we meassure on and thus know it, the possibilities collapse into it being only one of the two charges. And since these two particles have interacted before making it so that they have opposite charges, the possibilities also collapse for the one which is light years away. Nothing is sent to the other particle to make it switch. It’s just that since we know A the possibilities of what B is collapse into one thing. Hope this helps.

[@ultimatemeaning]

The idea that I am talking about here is about non localised (seemingly faster than the speed of light effects) such as the consequences found in the Shroedinger's Cat PAradox🙏🙏🙏

[@UnfilteredBriefs]

I must say on the note of “pride” that you mentioned I assume it’s apart of your humility that you mentioned this, I would just like thank you for the way you communicate these ideas, I respect and resonate with the truth you speak

[@ultimatemeaning]

Uh, I kind of fail on that unfortunately. My Lama is always trying to reduce my pride. But thanks for your kind words friend! 🙏

[@Gettingbetter690]

@@ultimatemeaningIs it frustrating or just something that will go out after time?

[@darlingladymoon]

You put my exact thoughts into words very well. Glad I found your channel, really enjoy the content. And as someone who watches a lot of Buddhist content, you're definitely the coolest monk I've come across. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and for helping us understand ourselves better

[@ultimatemeaning]

You are too kind my friend and thank you for participating in the discussion. But be careful I might get a big head 😆🤣😆

[@darlingladymoon]

@@ultimatemeaning well since you've accepted non duality I'm sure that won't happen hahaha

[@Openskylook]

Experiencing transcendens ans nirvana by meditation,psychedelics or by sudden spiritual experience is more then a experience of teenager left alone with internet and discovering internet for the first time. Thanks for mention of quantum entanglement in video and bell's theorem in comments. This is one of my favorite spiritual,metaphysical,scienceand physics channel.

[@ultimatemeaning]

And thanks for participating in the conversation, and chipping in your thoughts.

[@blair871]

Love your teaser and posted Reels. You would be an excellent marketing director. You know how to grow an audience. 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Blair, I appreciate it. Funny I never was successful in the world 😆🤣😆

[@Noxtep]

I was thinking about this for many weeks now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I thought there was no karma since when bacteria evolved stronger just ate weaker and that's that. But there is always a second layer of information computed by quantal variations in complex proteins, meaning when u eat something, due to this unifying entanglment, you eat yourself there for you will be eaten later. Every pull has a push and every push has a pull. Recent life events really made me think there is no karma but there is, I just am too smoothbrain to understand it.

[@ultimatemeaning]

KArma is the reason why we experience waveform collapse and why w don't experience zombie cats that are both alive and dead, but Karma also means that things are illusion like 🙏🙏🙏

[@obiwanceleri]

@The Theory of Samsara : By the way I am so very grateful for the topics you bring up. It makes my mind and soul vibrate with questions and musings! Thank you!

[@ultimatemeaning]

This is a great asset my friend! ♥♥♥

[@williamjohansson6282]

What a gem, what a gift..🙏 Thank you so much for this channel.. May many beings hear what you have to say..🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you so much William for your vote of confidence! 🙏🙏🙏

[@davefamdo]

Your explanation of things has really improved my understanding of this topic. Thank you.

[@ultimatemeaning]

glad to be of service David! 🙏🙏🙏

[@buntobilli]

I enjoyed the bait and switch with the video title 😂❤ thank you for the talk lama 🙏🏾

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for watching!

[@Jason.L.M.]

So true! Thank you for your content Brother!

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤thank you jason❤

[@hisatsinommonistasih6052]

I like Bob Thurman's term : "Supernormal"

[@ultimatemeaning]

Ahh, I like that too, thsnks for sharing ❤

[@stickybrains3]

I have always been a very science and fact-minded person. It was all I based my ideas off of and I would read books on astrophysics and evolution like crazy. I like to think it got me pretty far, but when I would read about advanced physics and the infinite nature of the universe, it would get me so depressed and hopeless. I've been watching you for a while because I wanted to learn more about different religions, and I enjoy all of your videos, but I couldn't always fully commit myself to the belief. But watching this video and how eloquently you compare the two together, quantum entanglement and Karma, I feel like my eyes have been opened. You've appealed to my way of thinking in such a way that it has brought tears to my eyes, and I feel so much better now, so much more willing to believe and be at peace with it. I just wanted to thank you and to say to keep making as many videos as you want, I love them all!! If you can change my entire worldview with just one video, I'm excited to see what more can do. Thank you again 🙏❤

[@ultimatemeaning]

I am so inspired to hear of your journey my friend and happy to be part of the story. And please bear this in mind- Wherever one looks an inconceivable myriad of phenomena presents itself to us, and yet the more one investigates the more those appearances lose their seeming solidity. this paradox of existence is not something that requires our belief, it is undeniable, rather our tendency to identify with existence and non existence necessitates faith in that which we have not seen. ♥♥♥

[@recklessgoon2308]

Bless you friend, great talk.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks friend 🙏🙏🙏

[@caviper1]

"... And the more you investigate reality the more extraordinary it appears"... to the mind. Best wishes.

[@ultimatemeaning]

🙏🙏🙏

[@brianbuczynski3555]

Thank you for such an important talk. I appreciate this so much! Karma and Renunciation and Meditation…. Inspiring. Thank you for your wish for all our awakening!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you Brian for sticking with the community! 🙏🙏🙏

[@EugenethePhilostopher]

What I got from this: if there is no hope (or at least no guarantee) that we can ever know "the truth" about the world (I actually think so; I am not even sure any "truth" about the world exists), then maybe it's worth putting some effort to the other things, which are not of this [physical] world, i.e. psychic phenomena. It's funny how you need decades to appreciate the trivial "know thyself" expression. Expressions like these are like lyrics to a song. People who've heard the song marvel at the lyrics, because they remind them of the song itself, and for people who've never heard it the lyrics (that they might read somewhere) is lame and dead. Likewise, people who've had the years of experience that lead to the expression can appreciate it, and others have no clue what it "means" even if on the surface it's very simple.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hi Eugene good topic "Is there such a thing "truth"?" There is a huge problem in general when you approach the "truth" indicated in the BUddha Dharma, and that is "the closer you get the more simple the words sound" And because of this many people get the idea that realising that "truth" is relatively easy and so they never apply themselves to the task

[@joeyvelarde5562]

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Welcome friend 🙏🙏🙏

[@rustygrunert5316]

Thank you sir 💚☮🌏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Welcome🙏🙏🙏

[@franzhaas5597]

I found your presentation encouraging, and for that, I thank you.📿

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤😊❤ yes, yes, courage is needed!

[@aleixortizcanto3265]

Thank you very much for your words, dear Lama. I have a rather complex question regarding causation. In the buddhist perspective, the omnipresence of causation is stressed, hence the lack of inherent nature of all things. Given that, my question is: is it necessary the presence of time in order to be causation? The reason for asking is that, for example, in the operation "1+1=2" all the elements are dependent, there is a succession unfolding, and it seems to be causation, but here the transitory nature of phenomena doesn't seem to imply time, given the fact that the relations of dependence unfolded on mathematics are not dependent upon any enunciation or knowledge of them in time. Thank you very much.

[@123gp1833]

I understand what you are talking about. 😊

[@HappyMutantSpeaks]

I guess there's no supernatural, only super-normal. When masters hide in a rams horn or pass their hand through a solid pillar it must seem totally natural to them. Also, I feel like the work of Ian Stevenson actually does count as a little bit of empirical evidence for the existence of past lives.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Funny I made a video about this story; kzbin.info8UYqBijqQt0?si=a8oxy5Y2WFdhJKl2 ❤

[@warriorshedge6772]

We can't see the night sly where i live anymore, the light fog from our LED street lamps have blinded our sky from us.

[@ultimatemeaning]

How sad! Light pollution is nearly everywhere! 😢😢😢

[@Thegoodlol]

Something that would be considered supernatural and impossible is when people have identical dreams (or very similar) or dream about things they could not know and in the next day they verify them. Another one, with even more evidence that can be found more easily on the internet, at least, is people having similar or identical what would be called "hallucinatory experiences" during a psychedelic trip. Because if these are hallucinations, no person would have identical hallucinations with their psychedelic partner, right? But there are a few trip reports on the internet about stuff like that. Then there are also NDE reports and many seem very similar.

[@Blueberryminty]

thank you for your effort. :)

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for participating!

[@RediscoveringApril44]

Thank you! Ugh trying to convey or understand this …in my own way

[@ultimatemeaning]

That's the most important point, my friend to understand it in your own way or to understand your own way🙏🙏🙏

[@ffc99]

Thanks! More please. 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

I'll try to post one a week, and if I can get back up to 2 a week eventually 🙏

[@barbarashirland9078]

I like your feet on the ground practicality. I think it was Stephen Gaskin who said "It's fine to have your head in the clouds, but if your feet aren't firmly planted on the ground you're just flapping in the breeze."

[@strangecurrency]

Another lunchtime treat. Thanks! Quantum entanglement is not quite as inconcievable or mystical as some people feel past/future lives are, as we can measure the effects that give rise to the theory. Similar to gravity. Gravity has no corporeal substance in the form of particles but we all have conviction that it is present as a natural principle because we can experience its effects for ourselves. In my view, the idea of past/future lives is just as plausible as the idea of no past and future lives, but I would want some more personal experience or compelling evidence of its effects before being convinced of it as a something more than just a helpful idea that can help us to orient our lives towards a greater purpose, as there are both assets and liabilities to adopting any logical construct. I know there is some legitimate research out there on past/future lives. Perhaps you could put some links up for those of us toying with how cultivating conviction in this idea could help us become more skillful, compassionate beings.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hope your work is going well see you tomorrow The builders of Stone henge could measure the stellar and planetary transits but the believed everything revolved around the Earth 😂😅😂

[@SARASTANLEY-dg2wu]

👍thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ultimatemeaning]

Nice to see you Sara❤

[@reversefulfillment9189]

That used to be the tourist marketing tagline for BC, Supernatural British Columbia. Many thanks, friend.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah I always laugh when I see the "supernatural British columbia" signs 😂😅😂

[@vedremo9240]

thank you

[@ultimatemeaning]

😊

[@SethEvans-r2j]

12dimentioal 7souls of Ra. Inside something to large to comprehend momentarily. Respect to you for trying to administer a cure intoo a broken mind scape.

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤❤❤

[@SethEvans-r2j]

Vibes of cosmos Extra Antarctica 's 5 min vid break through the mundane. Learned monk empirical research.

[@SethEvans-r2j]

​@@ultimatemeaningUSA 17 hundreds Corporate jurisdiction over the natural man. Bit of quantum mechanics in presedence. Richard Vobes. Video recited recently.

[@stephenowen5229]

Many thanks. 🙏🙏🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

😊

[@kpllc4209]

My interpretation was, timelessness + big bang, evolution = objective unity, no woo woo needed.

[@ultimatemeaning]

interesting, thanks 🙏🙏🙏

[@obiwanceleri]

Why do you need the absolute truth? You are unlikely to catch a dynamic system with static tools. If you search for this type of truth you'll get something but it is unlikely to make sense. That being said ... I'm no spiritual master but I found that if you have questions, just ask them, as humbly as you can. In the past, when I tried to ask very profound questions about the universe I got a "it doesn't really matter and it will not fill your void" type of answer. I'm still curious and I understand in time some of these questions will cross my path. Note : It's my belief we're struggling with quantum physics because we're looking at the world from a different perspective which turns what we see into a "diffusion pattern". Doesn't make it less fascinating ...

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

Hi! If I get a pair of shoes and mix them up and box each shoe so I don't know which box has the left shoe and which the right, then send one box on a rocket that takes that shoe many light years away and one box stays with me on earth. If I open the box and see that it is the right shoe, then INSTANTLY faster than light can travel, I know that the distant shoe must be a left shoe! Is that what physicists are claiming or is it deeper and different to my simple example? 🤷

[@Alexmw777]

Yeah, that's basically it as far as I can tell. It's kind of analogous to conservation of momentum when an asteroid breaks up, but not exactly 1:1.

[@Alexmw777]

also, for a pair of particles light years apart to remain entangled, you have to make sure nothing else interferes with one of the particles and causes its quantum state to decohere. such interactions break the entanglement, I think

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

@@Alexmw777 Thanks. 👍🏻

[@ultimatemeaning]

My opinion is that the waveform collapsed long before you shook up the box. The Shoe already possessed it "leftness" even before you bought it. In Schrödinger's cat the cat was already a cat before it was put in a box with some radioactive isotope.

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

@@ultimatemeaning Yes of course! I apologise for focusing on this side road instead of your main topic. It could be included as an example of the fractured and distracted mind! Physicists speak of coherence etc. I am asking philosophical questions when it is probably best described in mathematics. But I haven't learnt higher mathematics. Yet! Lol. But I have a more important question to ask, how should we refer to you in greeting and parting to show respect and to conform to traditional convention? ✌🏻🧡🙏🏻

[@krischena]

thank jou Lama,

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you too! 🙏🙏🙏

[@noosphericaltarzan]

Do Buddhists believe there is a way to come to understand (as a total beginner) why you you have a particular kind of suffering that keeps happening to you from childhood all the way through to the present day -- what you did -- in order to make meaning out of it, some kind of sense, and formulate a plan?

[@Temachyotl33]

In the Catholic tradition at one time there was a distinction between natural and supernatural virtues. Natural virtues were seen as the result of personal effort, someone that exerted himself to practice virtue. Whereas supernatural virtue was the result of the Holy Spirit, of Grace acting in a person. An example of this is of a person who would be considered a vicious individual suddenly performing a heroic act of virtue, without any personal effort. Something like a life time addict of heroin suddenly dropping the addiction overnight without effort. The Saints were considered people who exerted themselves in practicing virtue but always struggling against their tendencies to vice, until at a certain stage they received the grace of supernatural virtue. Eventually Catholic theologians as they entered the modern world gave up on this notion of a natural and supernatural order. Sometimes I think that the Holy Spirit and Bodhicitta are similar.

[@ultimatemeaning]

The role of the Holy Spirit was very interesting and there are some parallels with the teachings of the three kayas in Buddhism, thank you for sharing🙏🙏🙏

[@danielheflin6658]

What are your thoughts on Hegel? I read this book, Sacred and Terrible Air, by Robert Kurvitz, well known writer for the video game Disco Elysium, can't wait. And I've been introduced to a concept called Absolute Negation, which is to say, Becoming. Sounds kind of like a rip off, amirite?

[@vagabounder3463]

Sir, i have a question that i would like to make to someone like you. I often wonder "Why would someone who does not believe in afterlife should not do whatever he wants to do, even if that activity harm others". I personally have a strong believe in eternal life, but in the realm of logic and cold mind i can hardly find any argument to tell to this hypothetical person who dont believe in anything. Thanks, sir.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Sir this is called the view of nihilism and those who hold this view are destined to suffer in future times because they have no reason to avoid negativity and also no impetus for practising virtue. The Buddhist view is the view of past and future lives, and karma. and because of this the one who holds this view is encouraged to practise virtue and avoid negativity. 🙏🙏🙏

[@louisj2256]

I wonder what you think of NDEs (near death experiences)? People commonly report that we choose to be incarnated here and that we get the choice of our future lives. Of course, this begs the question, who the hell would choose to be born as a baby with harlequin syndrome that gets to die after only a few minutes of coming into the world, or a child in Gaza who gets to have their whole family obliterated by bombs, only to later starve to death, or any number of other horrendous possibilities? Nevertheless, near death experiencers are often able to report details of things they could not possibly have known about according to conventional logic, such as the kind of medical equipment used on them (when they were brought into the hospital unconscious and had no way of seeing such things), details about the room/building/surgeon's clothing, details about deceased loved ones who they met on 'the other side' that they apparently never knew about before, etc. I don't know quite what to make of them. On the face of them, they seem to paint a less scary picture of the cosmos than that of most Earthly religions, including Buddhism. The vast majority of them are life-affirming and peaceful, and most experiencers claim that we are here for a purpose and that there might even be a god. Nevertheless, a minority do report paying visit to hellish realms. Do you have anything to say on this topic, Theory of Samsara? It's definitely an interesting one.

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤here is a video I made about Nde's last year: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpLZY3eFe7WipKssi=sFYSAmBkAgDRWDzY Thank you for sharing

[@badgerbusiness9059]

A sage once said that Taoists escape their karma like shutting train cars onto another track, by decoupling the engine from them. Allan Watts. Super position is Retro-causality my friend.

[@ultimatemeaning]

What's your impression of Watts? Was he a hedonist?

[@badgerbusiness9059]

@@ultimatemeaning no he was an alcoholic! Lol.

[@badgerbusiness9059]

@@ultimatemeaning seriously though, he was a bridge for the west to experience the east, his teachings on Zen, Taoism, Buddhism, and his formal abrahamic religious training made for a unique blending of these. A hedonist, I'd say that's accurate. For all he was aware of, he could not tame his own demons, but he did try sometimes? He's a controversial figure for sure, and you can know something and not be able to put it into practice.

[@Happy_Limpet]

Newton knew gravity wasnt what we are told these days , read the Principia , he alludes to this towards the end .

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for the tip ❤

[@MissionSilo]

I had my experiences with the spirtual realm.

[@ultimatemeaning]

How wonderful! 🙏🙏🙏

[@MissionSilo]

@@ultimatemeaning no. Not wonderful. Any way to reach out to you and ask questions. I want advice on a few situations

[@AnomalousCanid]

I just really struggle to extrapolate the apparent nature of single particle pair entanglement to the preservation and transfer of an entire consciousness or "soul" to another life. Not saying it couldn't be a thing - I hope it is. But I just don't see how.

[@sugarfree1894]

It's possible to understand something thoroughly while being absolutely clear that it is not the whole story. Ps, the great scientists' minds remain open; they know they don't know, through science in any case. Only the truly great ones though :)

[@ultimatemeaning]

Very interesting, do you have any examples? Thanks

[@sugarfree1894]

@@ultimatemeaning David Bohm, Maurice Wilkins, Robin Monro

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@sugarfree1894 Thanks for that I mean examples of understanding something absolutely clearly without knowing the whole story. Thanks

[@sugarfree1894]

Quantum Physicist, Biophysicist & plain old Physicist 😊

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@sugarfree1894 OK I didn't realise there was such a person that thoroughly understands Quantum, Bio, or any other type of physics. It is generally accepted that the scope of any of these disciplines is far too broad for any one individual to understand them in their entirety and so nearly everyone specialises these days.

[@tiggerbiggo]

I want to offer an example to reframe quantum entanglement a bit, while I understand it is being used to frame a larger point, schroedingers cat and quantum entanglement are not faster than light communication, nor does the observation of one actually affect the other; Imagine we have 2 balls, a red one and a blue one. We close our eyes, and without being able to tell where, we put each ball into a different box and close the lid. We now have 2 identical looking boxes, but we know each contains either a red or a blue ball. We can take them as far away as we like from each other, as soon as you open one box you instantly know what the other contains. If you have the red ball, the other box must have the blue one, and vice versa. This is where the "seemingly" faster than light comes into it, and where the analogy of supernatural and natural becomes relevant. I just wanted to offer another way of framing the quantum entanglement "paradox".

[@mesha514]

I like this :)

[@ultimatemeaning]

I appreciate that!

[@WanderingYogiThailand]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💎💎💎

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤❤❤

[@1littlebrainthatcould]

Thanks for this video! I agree that the supernatural, whatever it might be, must be part of the real and so part of the natural world! Well argued! I'm convinced.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for contributing to the conversation

[@Alexmw777]

I appreciate the teaching, but I think that quantum entanglement is not a good example. Quantum entanglement is a description of correlation between a measurable property -- it's not suggesting that making a change to one particle magically changes its entangled counterpart. "when the state of one particle is changed, then the state of the other automatically changes" I think this part is incorrect

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hi Alex please refer to the Bell Theorem for a method by which the non-local effects of Quantum Entanglement can be proven: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem But again the statement of this video is "much of what is taught in scientific thinking seems inconceivable to us" but I will add that much of that which we accept as (scientific) truth will inevitably be superceded. Thanks for sharing

[@Alexmw777]

@@ultimatemeaning thanks for the response. I'm familiar with Bell's theorem, but I think we have different interpretations of it. That's not uncommon, most physicists who are paid to study such things don't agree on it either! Indeed, I hope all our scientific understandings are swiftly superseded. Physical analogies to philosophical concepts are kind of fraught by nature. Analogies can be good signposts, but they aren't sufficient for understanding. For any others here who may be interested, I highly recommend Sabine Hossenfelder's videos on this and related topics

[@sandarahcatmom9897]

Quantum entanglement is already being debunked… scientific theories are theories, not set in stone.

[@DrOtto-sx7cp]

@@Alexmw777 ... plasma physics first ! 😉

[@benphillips4081]

"Physical" reality has been proven by both physics and neuroscience to be a false premise. There hasn't been a real physicists since Einstein failed to measure the electron. There will never be another, physics is thoroughly debunked. Your talking about grifters, nothing more. This has been proven by neuroscience to be a mental projection, or in other words an imaginary place. There are no valid arguments for physical "reality" left, none. Now if they changed their theories to integrate new data, they could possibly gain a shred of credibility back. However, they refuse because they want to grift off their fantasy construct for as long as they can.

[@AscendingGuru]

My goal with this comment, is that whoever reads it: Get their family album, search old videos from their childhood on youtube, try to remember significant things in their family home or kindergarten. If watching this video made you curious about past lives. It gets very hard for me to remember at 1,5 years old. Wierd things start appearing. It's very mystic. But the climb down to 1,5 years old was difficult for me, it took some hours of work. I found stuff there, that is not predicted by buddhist of hindu text, at least not what I have read. Take it with a pinch if salt, this is just my experience. I experience an overlap between death and birth. So, being in the darkness of death, not being able to breathe, becoming the child that can't breathe. Very traumatic, painful that I cant breathe, and entities, voices in the dark and I don't like them. Hearing their voice makes me angry. Very conscious, despite body being dead and rotting, sensing the coffin lid. So I cry as the child, mom says that dad is repainting the living room. The foul smell is just the paint. There was more, I was a place where we did yoga, I did not have my current body, I did a yoga position that looks like a child being born. One time, the teacher stops me, untying my legs position, it is a seated figure 4 with arms in eagle pose, saying "No, that is the suffering". There were places with wierd tv shows and commercials. Tests where they served me hot food and I ate it, burning my mouth, but it didn't effect me, so I failed the test. And the breath was different, I would breathe in, it would tickle underneath my lungs. Then come out of my chest, project forward, tickle an invisible bird, that would tickle a heart with a feather, the heart would shine like an invisible sun and shine my face with happy light.

[@jeanthornton2107]

❤

[@ultimatemeaning]

🙏🙏🙏

[@EliwazMoonites]

If the eyes put out there own light then it stands to reason too that this light can carry information too any one who can see. The body uses as well as puts out its own biophotons. Could this be how thought transfer could work is by light from the eyes.

[@bodhicitta3jewels]

Lama la, this is a lucid explanation. Thank you. 🙏🙏🙏 I'm interested in quantum entanglement because it makes very plausible sense, as does karma cause and effect. As an ordinary being, I may not always know the exact cause of a particular experience, but I 100% believe there must've been one. In a rudimentary way, I can observe the outcome of my choices, and I can then infer that cause and effect can happen at every level of existence. If a person can observe something at a smaller level, then certainly it can happen on a larger or more long-term scale. Also, if (according to the law of conservation) energy can not be created or destroyed and we are crafted of energy, then it implies we have always existed and will always exist in some form or another. Hence, the plausibility of past and future lives. ❤

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hmmm, I like this relation to the law of conservation! Thanks for something new to think about! 🙏

[@PP-G]

Consumerism!. The more you scratch..the longer it itches..

[@ultimatemeaning]

😂😢😮

[@DennisMC1974]

❤❤❤

[@ultimatemeaning]

🙏🙏🙏

[@DougDeYoung-gt4id]

Becoming your true natural Self is the most natural and ordinary thing you can do. You could even call it extra-ordinary.

[@tasha24-7]

🌺 thank you very much. I struggle with the concept of past and future lives, because our conciousness returns to the unified whole/ one-ness .... is conciousness as separate as we appear to be in human form?...... I feel it to be more like an entire ocean..... im happy to be wrong.... perhaps it is the human form which has the karma and conciousness is happy to oblige with all of our evolution? .... and so doesn't mind, doesn't know the difference between hard and easy...... pain and pleasure....... but the physical form inhabited by the conciousness (us, the human being) knows it very well, in fact knows mainly physical things.... even to the point of forgetting it is conciousness to begin with..... quantum entanglement wow!..... you are an excellent teacher. Grateful for you 🌺

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hi Tasha nice to see you again. Consciousness is not separate as there is no experience without it. Also consciousness is in flux and so also the nature of emptiness. The issue (according to the buddha) is whether or not there is clinging to reality, because this is the direct cause of "existence" and so too "suffering" 🙏🙏🙏

[@tasha24-7]

@@ultimatemeaning thank you, that makes sense. I appreciate your videos a great deal . Have a wonderful day 😊

[@wachyfanning]

I tend to interpret these teachings, along with all the myths in the world, to be metaphorical. I've been considering the relationship between change and the 'cycle of life and death'. The child I was when I was five exists no longer: I cannot go back and continue playing with the same toys in that same house under that same sun. We constantly change, shedding our skin and growing new skin, 'dying' in the metaphorical sense, and being 'reborn' as something fundamentally the same but notably different. And that karma describes, simply, cause and effect, and the fact that certain actions objectively reciprocate suffering in others and, as we are a social species, ourselves. And to escape this cycle, to ease our suffering in this life, we must "level out our karma". And while we may not literally be reborn after we literally die, we still very much undergo that very cycle within our lifetimes. This cycle could be seen as a microcosm of Samsara, or Samsara can be seen as a metaphorical macrocosm to elaborate upon what we experience in the objective world.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you so much for sharing your well considered and insightful thoughts. Look forward to hearing more from you! 🙏🙏🙏

[@gwang3103]

I think there IS serious evidence in favor of rebirth. The late Ian Stevenson has done a great deal of research on this and amassed large numbers of compelling case studies. Hundreds at least if I remember correctly.

[@Magik1369]

He's right. There is no "supernatural"...everything is natural...everything is Divine. There is no religion needed to "save" people. People are the Divine's children from birth. Even the process of Self Realization is natural and is baked into the human psyche. Once a person has traveled the path of awakening for several decades, the truth that there is no "supernatural", there are multiple other dimensions and realms with Life on them...and the other dimensions are natural also.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah the Buddha also taught that the quest for realisation was hard wired in what is called Buddha Nature, thanks for sharing!

[@AzmialPrime]

Ohhhh man, something tells me this is going to be a good one! Can't wait! 😮 🐕‍🦺🙏🐕‍🦺

[@danielhopkins296]

It may be misleading to suggest that the Buddha was scene as always being born in the Shakya clan in previous lives. His past lives include births in all castes and , for instance, they believed that Buddhacwas reborn as the sage Kapila who told the Shakya to found Kapilavastu

[@ultimatemeaning]

Did I say that? I think I said he was born in the Shakya clan in this life because they were all fishermen together in a previous life, but I can see how there could be that misunderstanding. Thanks for pointing that out 🙏

[@danielhopkins296]

@@ultimatemeaning no, you didn't directly say that but it did seem implied. Thnxs again brodhisattva for another great video 🙏

[@tuning9044]

🙏 🙏 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

❤

[@S3RAVA3LM]

Don't tell anybody this: Christ taught the Philosophy of the Buddha - who was prior to Christ.

[@viaphilosophica]

Maybe he was Amitabha? Lots of parallels with Pure Land

[@ultimatemeaning]

And who were the wise men from the East? A search party for a reincarnate lama?

[@vagabounder3463]

Maybe yes, maybe not.

[@ΑΣΔΦΓΗΞΚΛ]

​@@ultimatemeaningOuch This comment, and this video in my feed. So, I have to. You may not like this. I encountered and abandoned Tibetan Buddhism many years ago, the Buddha said to test the teachings as though you were testing gold, so I did In the video you mention omniscience, I was told that Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was recognised as omniscient Then I found out that he appointed someone called Ossel as his Dharma heir to take on his students when he died cont..

[@ΑΣΔΦΓΗΞΚΛ]

​@@ultimatemeaning...and it was common knowledge (something an omniscient being should know!) that Ossel was both HIV+ and sexually active with his students As a result people died as HIV was a death sentence back then Like the thorn story you raised, when I asked about this at the monastery they said "oh, Chogyam Trungpa could see his students needed to purify their negative karma in this way" so their attitude was "thank you so much for killing me, Rinpoche" Hmmm Well, that's their religious freedom and if they want to believe that, OK? Cont...

[@Happy_Limpet]

What is the speed of water ?.

[@ultimatemeaning]

current? 😆🤣😆 I suppose all matter is oscillating but water doesn't always have waves. Is "0" frequency light? Well there is no way to tell because that photon would never react with anything

[@Happy_Limpet]

@@ultimatemeaning The underwater "wake " behind a propeller is a disturbance / perturbation of the medium , in the medium . A laser light is the same thing - a disturbance in the medium of the medium [ aether ]. I dont accept [ light ] - the electromagnetic wavelength "bends" , i think it changes direction in differning mediums .

[@PP-G]

nature is super..

[@ultimatemeaning]

Super duper ya!

[@PP-G]

@@ultimatemeaning totally 🙏

[@luizmeier]

Hello. Belief in quantum entanglement comes not just from faith in science, but from solid theory and experiments. It’s based on the work of people like Schrödinger, who first described it, and Bell, whose theorem showed how strange quantum connections are. Experiments, like those of Alain Aspect (who won a Nobel Prize for this), have repeatedly confirmed entanglement in the real world. Through the scientific method - testing, reproducing, and verifying results - we build confidence in phenomena like entanglement, as they are rigorously proven.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I think you miss the point here, and that is for most of us who haven't studied physics to any depth and are not privy to the various proofs given to support such a theory our belief is mere blind faith in the claims of others, in the same way that the religious have blind faith in doctrine. The point isn't about the validity of such theories. 🙏🙏🙏

[@luizmeier]

​@@ultimatemeaningHi! First, I'd like to say that I've been practicing Shamatha and studying secular Buddhism (Sunyata) for years now. My intention in this conversation is not to criticize but to contribute positively to the discussion. I understand the immense value of practical Buddhism and the guidance it provides in one's path. That said, while the teachings in Buddhism are deeply profound, I must acknowledge that there is, as of yet, no scientific evidence for concepts like other lives. In relation to quantum entanglement, I completely understand your attempt to draw an analogy between supernatural ideas and quantum phenomena, as both can seem mysterious. However, it’s important to highlight the role of the scientific method. Theories in quantum mechanics, such as entanglement, are not matters of belief but are based on rigorous testing, verification, and experimental confirmation by scientists like Schrödinger, Bell, and Aspect. The scientific method allows us to build confidence in these ideas through evidence, not faith. Lastly, I’m a new subscriber to your channel and I find your videos very helpful on the path, so thank you for sharing your insights! I just wanted to add this clarification to support the understanding of the difference between belief systems and scientific principles. Thanks again for the content you provide, it is much appreciated. 🙏🏻 (I watched 3 videos in a row)

[@luizmeier]

​@@ultimatemeaning Point 1: In 2:46, my intention is not to criticize, but to point out that while both science and spirituality have their places, it’s important to recognize that scientific concepts like quantum entanglement are grounded in evidence, whereas beliefs like karma and past lives are based on faith, which is not subject to the scientific method. Point 2: I believe we are all born with a perfect Buddha mind, but as we experience countless interactions from the moment consciousness arises, we gradually distance ourselves from this perfection. Though I can’t fully explain or understand this process in a short comment, it’s why I study Buddhism and practice what I believe to be real. Point 3: I appreciate that you mentioned the idea that we fabricate both real and false memories, which I find valuable. Point 4: Then the issue comes up again when you mention quantum entanglement at 7:46. I believe there's an unintentional fallacy where it's implied that if one concept is accepted, the other must be as well. The key point here is that quantum entanglement is not a belief, whereas karma between lives is. This is the crucial distinction in the video. Point 5: I understand that perhaps what explains the donations and you finding a large sum of money could be synchronicity, as described by Jung. Synchronicity refers to meaningful coincidences of unrelated events that feel connected, even though there’s no causal relationship between them. However, you believe it to be karma, and that's perfectly fine since it is your belief.

[@unfair9167]

What makes you so certain that you found the money because you "gave in generosity", does it have to be karma ? can't it be just a coincidence ?

[@grzegorznawrocki8154]

Lama'la, do you believe that "Buddha understands each every causal link that has led to the production of an eye print on the feather of a peacock", like an omniscient God.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Although this is what is taught in the Sutras (and is generally accepted)I don't pretend to understand the mind of a Buddha but there are two main schools of thought on this issue (in Tibetan Buddhism). That a Buddha is actually omniscient, or that a Buddha realising the true nature of phenomena understands the nature of everything (but maybe not the nitty gritty detail.) The definition of a Buddha is one who has overcome the four maras, cleared away all the obscurations and realised the two types of wisdom (the wisdom of how things are, and however many manifestations there are) One of the obscurations is called the obscuration to higher knowledge, and is said to be that which obscures omniscience. So it the debate then revolves around the intended meaning of "omniscience.) But there is something else that might help make things clearer for your- In Buddhism it is taught that the most accomplished being of all is a Buddha and not God. 🙏🙏🙏

[@grzegorznawrocki8154]

@@ultimatemeaning Thank you for your answer, inspiration and your sincere approach to dharma.

[@proyectodepeleador]

osea que el universo es dios que se metio en su propio laberinto para ver quien era? al mismo tiempo al ser omniciente esta gobernado por leyes elementales que no puede controlar?

[@ultimatemeaning]

Eso es imposible

[@proyectodepeleador]

@@ultimatemeaning entonces no entendi

[@Happy_Limpet]

..Dont think light has a speed , its a wavelength , not a particle .

[@ultimatemeaning]

wavicle, or partiwav? Well my position is "from the perspective of a photon the speed doesn't exist"

[@discordlexia2429]

I really want to believe in karma in the way you describe it. It seems very, I dunno... Fair? Like, not handed down from above by a tyrant, but just that the things we do naturally return to us... And I also want to believe in past and future lives. I really do. I feel very trapped in myself and I'd very much like to just be a small step on a long journey. If I may ask, why do you believe it? I want to believe it myself but in my own examinations I've managed to get myself into quite a horrible thought loop (As in, I drug myself unconscious with overdoses and pour boiling water on myself so the adrenaline will calm me). I'm trying to challenge my own preconceptions because I've seen that where I am is a dead end, and you seem like you have a reason for believing what you do. Or, is it one of those cases where words can't really even scratch it? By the way, I think it's really sweet how you reply to so many comments with a cheerful message. It's very aesthetic.

[@thepercepter]

The difficult thing for science is that they see as though they are not the thing they study. In other words no spirit, no god. Kinda like science vs god in a way. The very fact that we live and are on this planet is the truth of experience. How can we not realize we are all one. That is, by the same creature that we are and that creature is us. A thinking human being life has created to become self aware of itself. It’s funny to me that we can not realize that we in the essence of what we are, are All One! The very fact that the mind of man is the creation of science and math. The mind of man is all the ways we obviously come to an understanding of what we read from the mind of man, what we hear from the mind of man what we create from the mind of man. How can all this be that we are one? It is simply we, you, I are the mind of man! Know this simple truth. The challenges that happen are not a thing to escape they are a thing to navigate and the experience is the thing of truth, knowledge, awakening, what ever word we give. Life is self aware experience being aware of itself without me trying to say all this nonsense point of view. Thanks for all this sharing❤

[@mandragon8108]

Will your indignation be of help?

[@ultimatemeaning]

You must be mistaken sir, I have no "anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment:" Not even for the customer service system for the tax office or local internet provider 😆🤣😆

[@mandragon8108]

@@ultimatemeaning Why do you deny being indignant at the Western world's ways? Denial is not a spiritual quality.

[@wazzap6077]

the more you guys are saying all this theories all this stuff about enlightment and path thats hard too understand the more im getting tilted to observe myself too walk to the mountain again go inside the cave and facking eat my meal cause you guys drive me crazy with this quantum, the path enlighment and awakening.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Cave sounds excellent but do not go crazy please 🙏🙏🙏

[@JamesMiller-ex3ff]

6:39 creationists be like: 😐

[@robertshows5100]

Drug addicts have to eat, also.

[@mandragon8108]

Causality is an arbitrary projection. Ego arbitrarily projects cause on a time frame. In reality, there is no such thing as a cause. If it brings joy, one could say that any event has an infinite number of causes and conditions. Btw the headache story is about Buddha being a physician in the past life who was cursed by a patient with a headache that couldn't be cured. Your story seems fake.

[@Alexmw777]

Hume posited that belief in causality was not empirical, but something we do out of habit. Kant believed that cause and effect are baked so deeply into the human mind that we can only possibly conceive of things in terms of causes and effects, as a kind of internal limitation. I wonder if, like how linguistic structures are baked into human DNA under Chomsky's understanding, if maybe the narrative structure of cause and effect is also baked into us. As you said, we need some kind of narrative to carry our understanding of phenomena both across space and through time.

[@mandragon8108]

​@@bodhicitta3jewels If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it is not correct. Why don't you think about what I said rather than say it's my opinion. It's a straightforward understanding. Well, his story is all over the place and makes little to no sense. The one I heard is much more plausible. It's obvious that you didn't think through my words and that you're Lama biased. Thankfully I love Truth more than the sweet lies. Hope, you and Lama will one day too. Best wishes!

[@mandragon8108]

​@@bodhicitta3jewels You, as an observer, have the power to decide a time interval. In that time interval, you decide what is the cause. As the time interval changes the cause also changes. In the example of the story. Buddha said that the cause of his headache is past life. But if you expand the time interval we can say that the cause of his past life condition is his past past life... So automatically in that time interval, this headache is not caused by only one event but many others. The "proof" of no causality is proven with infinite regression. As you expand the interval you'll see there is no cause because all causes are projected/decided by an observer in a certain time frame. The most famous example is the chicken and the egg. There is no prior or caused. Both are uncaused. Creation just is as it is. We all have our causes and none are correct. So choose the ones that make you peaceful and happy. Best wishes!

[@mandragon8108]

@@bodhicitta3jewels A few simple examples for kids. 1. The Skinned Knee Short-Time Interval: Imagine you skinned your knee. You might think, "I skinned my knee because I tripped on a rock." Expanded Time Interval: But if you look at the whole afternoon, you might realize, "I tripped on the rock because I was running too fast to catch up with my friends." Even Longer Time Interval: If you look even further back, you could think, "I was running too fast because I wanted to join my friends quickly since I was late leaving the house." By expanding the time interval, you see that the cause changes from tripping on a rock to running too fast to being late leaving the house. 2. The Missing Library Book Short Time Interval: Imagine you lost a library book. You might think, "I lost the library book because I left it at the park yesterday." Expanded Time Interval: But if you look at the whole week, you might realize, "I left it at the park because I took it out of my bag to read while I was waiting for my soccer practice to start." Even Longer Time Interval: If you look even further back, you could think, "I took it to the park because I borrowed it from the library last week and wanted to finish reading it before it was due." By expanding the time interval, you see that the cause changes from leaving it at the park to taking it out to read to borrowing it from the library.

[@mandragon8108]

​@@bodhicitta3jewels You are very welcome. Hope this causes you to realize there is no cause 😉 ❤&💡

[@EllyCatfox]

I became a Buddhist by staying true to my feminist punk rock roots, 🧷 playing video games, 🎮 studying quantum physics ⚛, and using and following research on psychedelics. 🍄🌿 Go see for yourself what your reality is. Experiment. Love. Study. Meditate. Empower yourself and your community. ☸

[@ultimatemeaning]

Been there, done that, got the tee-short, whatever.🥱

[@EllyCatfox]

@@ultimatemeaning ♥

[@AzmialPrime]

Great talk, Lama Choga. 🐕‍🦺🙏🐕‍🦺

[@ultimatemeaning]

🐕👳‍♂️🐕❤

[@Beijaflordaamazonia]

Got a trigger watching this vídeo. Allow me to tell you a dream I had just before the pandemic and the lockdown, time when I got closer the buddhism and took my first refuge. This dream was very vivid, and still vivid in my mind. I am brazilian and here we use bikini a lot. In the dream I was dressing a bikini and walked in front a mirror. When I looked at me in the mirror all my body was covered by eyes of peacock feather. I got shocked! Stoped to look carefully and my thought was: Oh, Gosh! Am I a peacock? What is this covering all my body like tatoos. This image still intriging me. I felt like I was like an hibrid, because that moment I felt I was a peacock . I didn't understand, research a lot about the simbolism of this so peculiar bird but never get a conclusion. Today, listening you, I realise how it was imediatly before I start to get into Budha 's teachings. No plenty understand, just sharing an insight your words produced. Hope it was not kleshas representation, because I was totally covered 🫣 #justsaying Thank you for remind me it now that I am in another point of the path 🪷 ❤️💙💚