The SUPREME Aeldari Tier List In 2024-“The Giga Dragons Cometh!!”

[@ProxyHammer1]

Forgot the War Walker!! Man… 😅 I would put it in A-Tier for its excellent trading value and Scout move! It’s durable as well which puts it above the Hornet now that SoF is more scarce!

[@jester12341]

War walkers piss of my opponents so much.

[@davidfeline5850]

Definitely A tier, would be S tier to my mind if it could take a weapon above S12. 🙂

[@iselbub]

Forgot the Wasp, Firestorm, and ForgeWorld Corsairs.

[@jpshaffer1989]

If warlock conclave was cheap I'd run max unit with eldrad and s5 flamer everything I could. Or they could actually be a reliable overwatch threat

[@anselme9493]

War Walker is so stealthy he misses Tier lists

[@MrThepatriot30]

A unit of 6 wind riders with buff from shroud runners is amazing to clean objectives ! It's a fast coordonate attack 😎 Thank you for the video. Always interesting.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I definitely agree! I love that unit and run a pack of windriders myself!

[@MrGenerichead]

Avatar is so good. He can kill in 3 phases: Shooting phase, melee, and your opponents movement phase.

[@ProxyHammer1]

He is an amazing unit!

[@diamondeyethunderbow5678]

It's Trajan Valoris, the Captain-General, for Custodes. Grimaldus is a (very good) Black Templars Chaplain, but he doesn't do the same thing.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ahhh ok I got the two mixed up since my last couple of games lol 😂 Space marines all unfortunately sound the same to me

[@Julio.A.Chavez]

What does a Monolith, C’tan shard, Venoms and Raiders have in common? They fly, and what’s good against flyers? The crimson hunter! +1 to hit and wounds could make the difference.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Agreed! Love the Crimson Hunter!

[@Julio.A.Chavez]

@@ProxyHammer1 dude I started the hobby this year. I saw the crimson hunter and I said I have to have one. Ppl were telling me that aircrafts are memes. But you came around praising that beauty. As of yesterday I finally finished painting my 2000 point eldar army... It has 3 crimson hunters and I am gonna play my first ever 2000 point game tomorrow on a tournament. It's gonna be wild.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@Julio.A.Chavez That is awesome dude! I wish you the best of luck! Great looking model and quite effective!

[@SeanHoltzman]

Best of luck ​@@Julio.A.Chavez ! May the Strands of Fate weave in your favor! I think target priority is huge, keep an eye out for opponent's unit keywords, a lot of people forget how many things have the fly keyword 😉

[@abcdodd]

in those small pictures, the way to tell the revenant from the phantom, is that the revenant has jump jets.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya for sure! I tried to make them bigger but alas… I could not 😔

[@maxmagnus377]

Great vid, great list, though a little optimistic on some of em for my tastes. Long post warning xD Asurmen suffers from 2 things to me: The unit this guy can lead is just kinda bad, and his abilities, damage and survivability don't really reflect the cost for me. Almost double the cost of a full 10-man DA unit is way too much. Perhaps for 95 points he'd be good. C tier for me. Baharroth suffers from too high a cost for the damage, surviability and abilities he brings as well. If you want move shoot move, spend less points on Shadow Spectres. C tier. Both Corsair units belong in C for me. Jacks of all Trades, masters of none, and get outperformed by more specialized options we have at any job you put them to. Dark Reapers really rely on facing an opponent that suffer against the Exarch's indirect. Any T4+ 2W+ infantry make it very easy for this weapon, but also the unit in general, to whiff. B tier for me. Dire Avengers have been consistently awful for me so far. Generally just not that great at the job they're made for, and I can never find the points to spare for them. They should be experts at holding the line, but an objective centered unit that can't reliably hold an objective doesn't belong any higher than C to me. Maybe if they had sustained hits 1 on overwatch they could push into "good" territory. I think it's too early to call if Fire Prisms belong in S. Mid A would be a safer bet I think. They're good as 2, arguably even decent as 1 just as a versatile gun platform. I have not enjoyed playing Guardians at all this edition, not even after the SoF nerf. Very fragile, lackluster shooting now that Bright lances aren't as great as they were. Good screening for the backfield for about 3 turns, but then they'll most likely die if you haven't been able to keep the opponent away from your backfield. Just kinda meh, High C perhaps. Howling Banshees: D tier. Silly example as well, no decent Drukhari player would charge these with Incubi, they'd get shot up with Splinter cannons, or splinter anything for that matter. If their best use case is having them come in from reserves to mop up a damaged unit, it's clear they just don't do what the lore would suggest they do, a running theme with some aspect warriors. Cooled a bit on Illic. Since phantasm got nerfed you're putting a lot of points into a big risk of losing at least 125 points to a couple bad dice rolls. He can still put the hurt on characters though, just not as great as he has been. Might even bump him down to B. First one I rate higher than your rating. Karandras has been putting in a ton of work for me. Great weapons, great abilities. Sustained hits 1 on half your attacks on the charge AND dev wounds mean he can dish out substantial damage when played right. I'd bump him up to a low S. Maugan Ra is laughably overcosted. The fact that he's the worse Death Jester says it all. Does nothing for his unit either. D tier, one of the worst. Giant model as well, hard to hide xD Storm Guardians on S is very you, but no. B tier. Throwing Fortune and a LFR on these seems like a waste to me, almost always better targets for those. Scorpions I'd actually rate higher than you as well. They're solid, especially when led by Karandras. Low A tier for me. Vypers I just have a hard time justifying the points of in my lists. Could be B as you say, in the right list, but that right list isn't a great list most of the time, I feel. I'd put it as a high C. The Webway Gate does not deserve to be on the list, F tier.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I’m an optimistic person 😉

[@VorteXMaxsong]

About Autarch Skyrunner - yes, you actually right, he can generate CP from Reserves. Rules commentary specifies this

[@ProxyHammer1]

Really strange but I’ll take it!

[@darko-man8549]

For Fuegan pronounciation it should be pronounced the Welsh way I think, considering the elves in WHF and 40k often use welsh

[@ProxyHammer1]

🤷‍♂️I’ll think about it 😉

[@eldardave1226]

Yeah, but the Spanish word for “fire” is “fuego” (pronounced “FWAY-go”). So while it doesn’t go with the lore, “FWAY-gan” just seems more appropriate with the whole “fire” schtick of the Fire Dragons…. Unless the Welsh word for “fire” is also Fuegan or Fuego?

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@eldardave1226 Agreed!

[@TheLagiacrus1]

What is the Welsh way?

[@Rasmus.Elnegaard]

This was a nice rundown! I still haven't tsking the plunge into eldar, despite them probably being my favorite faction, but they seem like a really expensive army to collect. However, I like theorizing untiI, so I am prepared when i take the plunge. A question: I really like windriders but am not sure how to make the most of them. Would you run 6 or 9 as a damage dealing unit? And would you include a warlock and/or a farseer skyrunner? Also, an idea for a video: Build the cheapest possible list, while still keeping it functiona. Eg starting with a combat patrol (or two?) and adding units, while keeping an eye towards the units that bring the most point/money while still being at least decent - I would love to see that 😁

[@ProxyHammer1]

Hey man! Glad you are looking into taking the plunge with the best faction in 40k ;) I would run them in units of three however i would absolutely consider taking them in a unit of 6 with a Farseer and warlock and have done so several times to great effect as they hit really hard. If you dont have a hard hitting MEQ killer in your list i would absolutely recommend it! Grabbing two combat patrols is a great way to go about starting an army at 1000pts plus make sure to grab an Autarch Wayleaper while you are at it and you will have a very functional 1000pts list that is also well rounded. This will cost you around 250$ which imo is a great price for 1000pts! You could also use the extra farseer as a warlock, I've converted one myself and it looks pretty convincing! I've done a video on the Eldar combat patrol i think it's a great buy this edition as all the units in it are solid for both learning and playing at higher levels. Good idea for a video I should really do that because unfortunately Eldar currently with all the old metal models and Unavailable stock are hard to buy atm. Heres actually what I would purchase if I were you and you can get some of these on Ebay for rather low costs. 2 Eldar Combat Patrol - Amazon ~112$ US each 1 Eldar half of Eldritch Omens EBAY~100$ US 1 Support Weapon EBAY~ 30$ US 1 War Walker EBAY ~30$ US 5 Striking Scorpions from the new kit EBAY ~30$ Plus tax you are looking at about 450$ for 1500pts of models. From there you can expand to 2000 slowly as you learn the army and which units you like or dont like. Truthfully though all the models in the above kits are great once you learn how to use them!

[@Rasmus.Elnegaard]

@@ProxyHammer1 wow, this is an incredibly detailed answer. Thanks a lot!

[@ProxyHammer1]

absolutely dude!@@Rasmus.Elnegaard

[@WarhammerDad1]

I like how you do this... i think you might put the title of the unit your talking about in text on the screen... sometimes its hard to piece together what you are talking about in each situation. You are awesome though!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya that’s a good idea I’ll definitely do that going forward!

[@Wybrand418]

I hope you know that I'm building an Aeldari army right now, and I'm basically building it around your tier list because I haven't played the game since 3rd ed and only vaguely know how it works.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Nice dude!! You won’t go wrong with it my friend!

[@kevinishki]

Shining spears should change from a melee unit to a shooting and moving unit that causes battle shock and restricts movement or something

[@ProxyHammer1]

Totally agree with that!

[@kevinishki]

@@ProxyHammer1 and ruin the enemy shooting because losing the ability to tie up a unit with them would suck

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@kevinishki Yes! Would be super cool

[@gabbu297]

1:07:08 the units are in alphabetical order, so it's obvious which titan is that.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya I realized that afterwards 🫤

[@MrThepatriot30]

What about the knight with inferno lances ? Deep strike, come at melta range, shoot 8 times + 2 star canons... And if it's still alive, back in reserve for a deep strike again ... ? It can be funny...

[@ProxyHammer1]

It’s super good! My only issue with the melta cannons is the fact that the damage isn’t great against invuls

[@sachadaitz9677]

No War Walker? Haven't had time to watch the vid just looking at the end. I think War Walkers are S tier

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are great unfortunately I forgot the Walker but they are extremely good!

[@gillesmelet1044]

I didn't play the wraithguards yet, and now that they were nerfed so much, I would try to run 5 into a wave serpent

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think that’s a decent idea!

[@Sealbag]

Great vid! Super interested in an overview of your game with hypercrypt if you're considering it. My most frequent matchup is into them because my literal neighbour runs them. His staples are Nightbringer, Transcendent Ctan, 2 doomsday arks, 2 X 6 wraiths with technomancers for objectives, and littered with smaller units like heavy destroyers, single regular destroyers for screening (so cheap), and some other small infantry units. Lately he's brought out the Seraptek Heavy Construct on occasion instead of CTans or other unts. Super obnoxious army to deal with 😵

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely! My opponent is running double monoliths 🫤 and double ctan… it’s going to Be a hard matchup for sure!

[@Sealbag]

@@ProxyHammer1 Yuck! 🤢

[@lordilluminati5836]

Is the hemlock good at fighting chaos space marines? They use leadership for their army rule and it should be betterat MEQing than the crimson hunter

[@ProxyHammer1]

well, you have to take into account 2 things 1.) It can use its ability out of reserve because its only 9" range 2.) it has BS 4+ with an average of 7 attacks which is worse than the CH that can also get 7 shots with the Starcannon and Pulse Laser with BS 3+ and has bonuses vs fly It's a good idea to use it against LD based army abilities but without being able to have the range for it to affect units as soon as it comes in on the board its not very useful :/

[@lordilluminati5836]

@@ProxyHammer1if you are going 2nd you could rapid ingress it on your edge of the board so that on your turn it flies right into the middle or wherever their squads are. I do agree that it is weaker than the CH. They really need to give it more attacks or more damage or a big points reduction

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@lordilluminati5836 True you could, but your opponent can still shoot it out of the sky because of the way flyers work everything will be able to see it 🫤 idk maybe there is something I’m missing about it but I just dont know I hope they give it a meaningful buff in the codex

[@lordilluminati5836]

@@ProxyHammer1 me too. Maybe it could be good in a wraithost detachment since it has a wraith construct keyword. I have used it once in a casual game and because it has a big base and canot be charged I ended up blocking an attack from a big block of hormagaunts, but you could do the same with the CH

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@lordilluminati5836 Yes true it does have the big base but remember that models can move right through it because it’s a flyer as long as they have the movement to move completely through

[@DeadofNight40K]

My mission is to make the Lynx A Tier

[@ProxyHammer1]

My friend I think it’s almost there!!!

[@davidfeline5850]

Love my Lynxes. 🙂

[@thetimebinder]

Me too! I love the Lynx ❤

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@davidfeline5850 They cool 😎

[@luigiciotola91]

Yes!!! I waited for it!

[@ProxyHammer1]

My friend it has arrived!

[@guyperson7487]

I think wraithbone form and abilities like it that specifically don't specify "to a minimum of 1" should negate 1 damage weapons. A lasgun shouldn't do anything against it

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya I tend to agree, in editions past that was the case

[@escherleduc9567]

Great video.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ty!! 😉

[@escherleduc9567]

@@ProxyHammer1 Your welcome :)

[@PhO3NiX96]

Thank god when I bought my night spinner i didn't build it yet LOL

[@ProxyHammer1]

Lmfao true! Magnetize it!

[@PhO3NiX96]

@@ProxyHammer1 Yes will do but my usual magnets won't be strong enough i think, I never magnetized bigger than small weapons or bright lances etc.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@PhO3NiX96 the pieces are quite light but I would invest in some bigger ones it would save you a bundle!

[@timlowesmusic]

God I ran 5 banshees once, and they turn two charged 5 assault intercessors, and for the rest of the game the two failed to kill each other

[@ProxyHammer1]

Lmfao 🤣

[@trek2k409]

i still always love 15 banshees. they suck but i love the models too much not to run

[@ProxyHammer1]

Definitely man! Great models and very fun to use!

[@thetimebinder]

Shadowseer lets Troup Advance and Charge and reroll charges and gives Stealth. How is it D tier? It's solid B tier. Other than that, list looks pretty good. I will point out that Aeldari have a flex group that are highly meta dependent: D-Cannons, then Fire Prisms, then Wraithguard, now Fire Dragons + Falcons. Other units got point costed down several tiers: D-cannons, Wraithknights, Nightspinners. Other units bounce between S and A: Shroud Runners, Rangers, War Walkers/Vipers/Hornets.

[@ProxyHammer1]

My issue with the Shadowseer is stealth doesn’t really do a lot and the Advance and charge only works if they don’t start the turn in a transport. If it was a flat -1 to hit that worked in melee and you could advance and charge out of a transport she would be much better

[@thetimebinder]

@@ProxyHammer1 I was just putting Shadowseer and 10x Troupe in a Wave Serpent. Drive it up turn one, then turn have them pop out advance and charge. The other option is to hide them in buildings the advance and charge through the building. The Stealth just gives you a but if protection versus indirect fire.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@thetimebinder unfortunately they cannot advance and charge if they disembark from a transport 🫤 that’s really why I have it down in D but I suppose there is an argument for Rapid ingressing a big unit with shadowseer

[@0MaxK0]

I think you're sleeping on the Visarch, with Sustained 2 in a harlequin unit so he gets +1 to wound is terrifying. Fights first is getting a lot more traction now that you have a few more melee armies on the rise (especially Drukhari) I cannot recommend the Yvraine + Visarch Harlequin brick enough now that Indirect is at a higher premium.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I may indeed be sleeping on him a bit, just seems overkill to me in a unit with yvraine, I ran him quite a few times early in the edition and his unit of 10 Quins with yvraine ran through everything they touched but alwayd died to shooting right after despite the 4++ and FnP… honestly though I’m going to have to give him another shot now that DE are on the rise

[@Saieden]

Yeah I agree, I had him with Troupes in a falcon, and that unit hits way harder than it has any business to, deleted 6 or 7 Bezerkers without even charging (my opponent didn't explain that properly, but whatever, fusion pistols lol) .The big shame is that you can't take him and Yvrainne with a fully kitted Troupe unit in a wave serpent.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@Saieden Ya they are a bit too big and you lose out on the extra harlequin pistols if you do do

[@SeanHoltzman]

If you're running Ynnari, Yvraine does okay in almost anything, but I ran her in a squad of Kabalites in a Tantalus, using the tantalus' size for tagging as many objectives as possible at the start of game from the sticky, then throw them up board usually double tank-shocking due to tantalus getting basically a similar output on charge, and then just bully the objective and body block Yvraine and squad as long as possible letting them out behind a wall on center to hold it, and that was before the balance changes

[@SeanHoltzman]

Might be able to play with 2 Troupes one for each character in a Harlequin transport each also, I think there's some solid play there for center or heavily combatted side objectives

[@redtailsparody]

For 10 voidreavers in a wave serpent, how would you equip them? all rifles and a shuriken cannon? Neuro disruptor worth it? or maybe all power swords? wraithcannon?! BLASTERS?! SHREDDERS?! DECISION ANXIETY SEND HELP

[@ProxyHammer1]

I would give them the blasters, shuriken rifles, and wraithcannon so that they can scorch units on objectives with rerolls.

[@ProxyHammer1]

of course generally you just want to give them as many special weapons as possible

[@Eve___]

scorpion is the best unit in the Eldar army tbh ss+ tier i run it in every game and ive only lost like 1 game with it

[@ProxyHammer1]

You are a god walking on earth!

[@StorytellerCharm]

I just added a scorpion to my list. Could I see your list since I’m having trouble figuring out how to build around it

[@tomkollatz8812]

Does the list hold up if you can choose drukhari as a Ynnari player?

[@axel9937]

The winged autarch loose a lot because he can't be warlord so no CP

[@tomkollatz8812]

I guess also the Battleline Units might suffer compared to Kabalite Warriors. 🤔

[@OniGanon]

Well you won't need an Autarch because you won't get CP, you might take Scourges over Spectres, Reavers over Windriders, Incubi over Banshees, and your tough objective holder unit will probably be Yvraine with a Harlequin Troupe rather than Wraithblades or something.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Well I mean I think that Ynnari is really in a league of its own and would adjust the list accordingly, for example I think SG would drop down due to kabalites and reavers would also have to be considered in comparison to things like shrouds and mandrakes compared to hawks

[@prickles21]

I'd watch a Ynnari tier list@@ProxyHammer1

[@Xydusa]

Are wraithlords any good?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Solid unit! Probably about 20pts higher than they should be but still a solid piece with lots of depth

[@ResonanceSD]

Any chance of getting timestamps?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya I need to start doing that on my videos!

[@ResonanceSD]

I really just need the stamp that says "yes, the unit of 9 windriders, a farseer and a warlock, supported by a vyper and (following that other video that I just saw), shroud runners, was a good idea. @@ProxyHammer1

[@obsidanix]

I've really struggled to make firedragons work? S9 into guard / marine tanks - most T10, T11+ so without Fuegan, guard or marines pop smoke. Dragons hit on 4+ wounds on 5+...even with two wounds (being lucky) your averaging 6 wounds on a 12 wound tank which next turn, annihilates you....!? You have to go into transport or t8 stuff which is often screened from the falcon and then your not trading because the transport vehicles are also around 80 points .. Haven't made them work for me!?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Have you been running them in a Falcon? Usually if you take a Fire pike most T11 is going to be taking a hit from that and with wound rerolls two more from the dragons. If they pop smoke not only are you burning their Cp but remember you still have a reroll to hit with the detachment bonus. At the end of the day they are only 85pts so if they die afterwards you still made a good trade. With Fuegan…well he can one shot a vehicle by himself lol 😂

[@obsidanix]

@@ProxyHammer1 ah missing the fire pike! Will give them another try!

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@obsidanix For sure dude! S12 and Rng 18” makes all the difference!

[@theStamax]

@@obsidanix To give a bit of input, assuming you are coming out of a Falcon, reroll the fire pike and you are shooting at a t10+ vehicle with a 2+ and the defender pops smoke (and is in cover, which tbh he'd probably be anyways), you are dealing an average of around 8 wounds (+/- 5%). Numbers change a bit with AoC. That is definitely worth it against basically everything. Actual numbers may be a bit higher cause of the way the reroll factors in, but you get the idea. You can expect to make your value back more times than not. Against something like a Russ you'll pretty frequently one shot it too, since 2 shots going through will end up dealing a bit more than 14 wounds on average.

[@twintomwrx]

gigaChad Storm Guardians lol? They are just "ok" If they were like 80 points and then I would say yes 100% I am going to try to use them with a warlock to get that extra 6" movement to run to another objective to get Sticky on it though.

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are probably more of an A tier unit I just wanted to shake things up! Lol 😂

[@twintomwrx]

As always good content though, Always like to see what you have cooked up.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@twintomwrx 😉 my pleasure and thanks! More to come!

[@guyperson7487]

do autarch and wayleaper have same base size?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Currently yes both have 32mm

[@Saieden]

I would put Autarch skyrunner in c or even d. Terrible damage, no good bodyguards, meh ability. Footarch I can at least make an argument for running with a guardian squad of either flavour, abusing matchless agility, feigned retreat, -1 to hit, go to ground, and just being annoying with fastish OC2 infantry.

[@ProxyHammer1]

He’s definitely not great but I think there’s something to bring able to farm Cp from reserve

[@Saieden]

I guess it is kinda relegation by comparison, but I think it really has nothing going besides the CP, and is just more expensive than being on foot.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@Saieden Very true sadly 🫤

[@fadedlobo]

Yeah boi!!!!

[@ProxyHammer1]

😎

[@Botjer1]

I love these kinds of lists, but I flip them over. These lists tell me what units i can spam and just play really hard with. The weaker they are the better.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Nice dude I love that mindset!!!!

[@anselme9493]

This is how you played 3x large Footlock Conclaves and 3x Helmlock Wraithfighter with 3x Vibro Cannons!

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@anselme9493 F$ck it we ball

[@nickbrooks7215]

Couldnt see the warp hunter, I love the model but I understand why you forgot it. Sadly the rules are trash.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I could have sworn I got old Warpy! I guess not 😔 sorry man… probably C tier imo

[@CritBeatsRaw]

look at that beautiful A-tier full of my clowns 🤡🥰

[@ProxyHammer1]

They great my friend! 😎

[@josesolias]

Your Mike was not it's usual quality

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya it was a live recording, sounded much better than my last live video, but ya I’m unfortunately not in a studio or anything so have to use noise suppression

[@darko-man8549]

So stupid how we can’t get those pieces of equipment on Autarch sky runner - kit bashing is not hard here

[@ProxyHammer1]

I know dude it’s a real shame I’m hoping for a new kit and rules in the codex for him!

[@darko-man8549]

i just hate how we "have to wait for a new kit" rather than just be given the rules. NMNRs really is a slow death of hobby if you want to play by rules @@ProxyHammer1

[@ForcesOfBattle]

Fire dragons are basically sold out everywhere always and forever

[@ProxyHammer1]

I’ve found metal ones on eBay often

[@ForcesOfBattle]

@@ProxyHammer1that maybe the direction I go as well

[@ProxyHammer1]

its the best way imho@@ForcesOfBattle

[@Dedread]

I wouldn't mind seeing this as a written list. I don't always have 2 hours to commit to watching a video, and I can't identify all your icons visually.

[@ProxyHammer1]

For sure I’ll keep this in mind for future videos by putting a list in the description!

[@Dedread]

@ammer1 Thanks, that would be great. I love to hear your opinions, but sometimes I just can't spend the time.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@Dedread I absolutely understand!

[@warp5p1d3r6]

its valdor from custodes. grimaldus is the black templars.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I knew I was getting that wrong lol 😂 I’ve recently played against both and they kind of merged together in my mind

[@phoenixguy101]

It’s not constantin valdor, it’s trajann valoris

[@ProxyHammer1]

lol literally all sound the same to me im sorry!!😑 @@phoenixguy101

[@phoenixguy101]

@@ProxyHammer1 That's alright, just wanted to make sure the right name is known! I'm familiar with it cuz I have a friend who plays Custodes and he's scary...

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@phoenixguy101 He is very scary!

[@justaguy-i1v]

What armies do you play against that storm guardians can do anything 😂. They just die to anything, and they’re too big to hide for long.

[@twintomwrx]

Basically just try to get them on something to make it sticky mainly. They won't do anything meaningful besides that.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I use them to make objectives sticky and trade with scouting elements of my opponents army and generally just much stuff up in combat. They always seem to survive for longer than their stats would suggest. They are really not as fragile as people think with the right buffs early

[@ProxyHammer1]

I beg to differ I’ve killed quite a bit with them they are easily underestimated and the proper resources are not allocated to deal with them. For example with fortune and LFR it takes 8 bolter rounds just to kill 1, so in other words it takes 96 S4 attacks to kill the whole unit…assuming Ap 0/no cover, with cover against Ap 0 they become even more durable. Two fusion guns can also just pop models instantly with failed invuls even Custodes

[@TheBluBrawler]

I'll second Proxy here, I always run them now, having sticky just allows a more aggressive push and I've killed quite a few things with them like the Heckaton fortress.

[@twintomwrx]

1 squad or two?@@TheBluBrawler

[@Nobodyatall925]

i edge to this

[@ProxyHammer1]

😎

[@TheJordaash]

Bro you literally said that the D-impaler from the Cobra "isn't exactly an anti horde weapon" Dude, it's a BLAST weapon that shoots 6.5 times on average before including the bonus shots from the BLAST keyword and that's with devastating wounds at STR 16 AP -4!!!! You could say it is the best anti-horde weapon in the whole fricking game! If you point this weapon at a horde, that horde likely just gets wiped off the board. This weapon can sometimes pick up 10 or more models in a single volley of shots. Also the ability of the Cobra (which you basically called bad) literally triggers every shooting round and it has the chance to create up to 3 mortal wounds even if no other unit is near the unit you shot at with your D-impaler or up to 6 mortal wounds if any unit is within 3 inches of that unit. Any ability that has a chance to cause that many mortal wounds every shooting phase seems pretty good to me. Also if your enemy bunches up like 3 or 4 units close to each other this ability could cause a crazy amount of mortal wounds. Whether or not you want to call the weapon "anti-horde", I'd say the Cobra deserves some more respect then D tier. Also it's better then the Scorpion IMO.

[@ProxyHammer1]

If someone is aware of what the ability does they will not bunch there models up. Why the weapon does have blast you are paying over 400pts for something that against a horde may kill about 8 models (guardsman, Gaunts, ect..) that’s not great for the cost. The weapon is an anti TEQ or Large platform and should be used against those targets. The issue however lies in its massive size and relative fragility. It also takes up a huge amount of space in your deployment zone. It definitely has a lot of weaknesses. The targets it is good against in the meta have ways of denying its shooting as well which is also problematic. It’s cool and everything, but having proxied one after the September nerfs I can honestly say a good opponent will be able to minimize its impact.