The tea is piping... (A Sapphic breakdown of Taylor Swift's The Tortured Poets Department)

[@theLeftHandedDog]

This is so fascinating. I could listen to you talking about gay Taylor all day. I love your voice. And you could make a living reading writers books on tape - maybe you do already.

[@soilgrasswaterair]

36:03 One podcast run by two straight gals commented that this line about the closet must be about two sisters fighting over clothes like many sisters close in age do. Lawd give me strength to not say too dumb things about my fellow straights. I feel compelled to applogize, as an ally.

[@lisarogers3393]

What?! I’ve bout had it with the goddamn hetsplaining! 😂

[@TammyOful]

I’m glad of this breakdown cause I was sooo disappointed when everyone said it was all about Ratty Healy.

[@lisarogers3393]

I think Ratty was a photo op before releasing TTPD. This way all the small minds have someone to think that these songs are about. 😆😭😭 Some even think The Bolter is about him😂. If I was that small minded, I’d just exit the building. It would have to be miserable.

[@soilgrasswaterair]

This is really sad if you think about it, such a gilded cage. Can’t imagine having so much, but at the same time be trapped like this and living a life for other out of complete fear of losing the ”good girl” stamp of approval from people who shouldn’t have been given that power over someone else in the first place. 15:22 Wait! Is this a remark on parents not allowing their children (read: daughters), to live a free life? 38:52 We know he is, most saw his unhinged and terrible e-mail that leaked. We also saw how Taylor had to fight to even be allowed to voice her opinion, regarding politics and speaking out against oppression, in her documentary. Edit: Added on a sentences at the end.

[@Mandyb05]

It seems like a sad life. Her team even tried to shut people down and said Taylor doesn't like when people talk about these rumours which is such a weird thing because it's such a niche and rare subset in certain parts who discuss her sexuality. It shows they've been digging to find information and lock it away. Just... odd.

[@PlaceForAnEcho]

While listening to this album I daydreamed about talking books and vocabulary (her vocab is impressive) and then I think hell if I was Swift I would be so worried about my safety all the time. I can’t imagine living like that. She is very talented and a great business woman.

[@soilgrasswaterair]

@@Mandyb05 Well it makes sense even if it’s sad and tragic, for her and her team to go out of their way to bury certain conversations. It’s normal for people who hide things, to want those things to stay hidden and out of people’s discussions, even if it’s at a minor scale.

[@Sara88890]

Was waiting for the Tessa T Swift album breakdown, and you didn't disappoint girlie! Tattooed Golden Retriever is Dianna coded, I don't make the rules.

[@theatreislove]

The delusion. Taylor never dated Dianna or any other woman. That song is about Matty

[@oopsgirl44]

I'm so happy to be back on the sapphic taylor sideof the internet haha

[@AngelsRapture]

This video deserves a standing ovation. Maybe even the bestowing of a doctorate. If Taylor should ever watch this. I would imagine she would be compelled to track you down for a face discussion about your analysis. On another subject, it’s splendid to see you wearing couture for this.

[@kelsey7134]

Swiftgron will always be my Roman Empire.

[@an6516]

Little mermaid story was literally an allegory for being a gay man in non accepting times. I think it’s very likely that it’s actually a queer song.

[@caitlinb35]

I'm so glad to have found your channel and that you made a video on this! I feel so validated right now.

[@judo1313]

Yay! With all the gaylor drama the past few months I was worried you wouldn’t go over this album

[@Vampirepup22]

Even lexa(fruity femme) came back for this album

[@lisarogers3393]

Are you talking about the Time Magazine article? Taylor never mentioned that article except in a song where she said “time, doesn’t it give some perspective”. It’s when she’s calling out the vipers dressed in empath’s clothing. 😂 Time Mag would never do that unbeknownst to her.

[@om-boi]

What gaylor drama? Links please.

[@glitternpain]

YESYES i was waiting for a video from u regarding ttpd ❤

[@waverlyearp34]

I'm having his baby, no I'm not. This line is so iconically sapphic. That's just one of the ways we all thought about coming out to our conservative family. Be like mom dad I'm pregnant and then like no I'm not I'm just gay. Kinda way to come out like hey I'm just gay it's no big deal it could be worse I could be pregnant

[@theatreislove]

You’re just making things up. Nobody does that. Taylor isn’t sapphic and none of her music is.

[@waverlyearp34]

@@theatreislove that's what y'all said about billie eilish. Whatever stay blind

[@theatreislove]

@@waverlyearp34 you can’t compare Billie to Taylor at all. Billie is 22 years old and is just now figuring herself out. Taylor is 34 and knows who she is. She’s not gay. She’s very happy with her boyfriend. She’s never going to come out and she’s never going to date a woman. You need therapy

[@waverlyearp34]

@@theatreislove thank you for worrying but I already go to therapy and I'm fine. You're right she does know who she is. And if I don't you dont either. You're delusional if you think because she's 32 she should be out already. Plenty of people never come out and even get married with kids while being fully gay especially in the industry

[@theatreislove]

@@waverlyearp34 she’s 34. She’s said she’s not part of the LGBTQ community, is an ally, hasn’t experienced homophobia, didn’t date her friends, doesn’t like it when people seggsualize her friendships, had her people go to CNN to say Gaylor rumors are untrue, invasive and inappropriate. So no she’s not gay. You are so out of touch with reality it’s concerning.

[@rturney6376]

An Internet scarlet - Karlie has an Internet channel called Klossy. She is saying having kids doesn’t erase the past. Interestingly, 🤔 it is said that Karlie and Josh are going to revitalize the magazine Life with trendy interviews. They bought the rights to it. It is supposed to come out in 2025.

[@dragonfox2.058]

Very interesting.....

[@rturney6376]

Taylor likes to intertwine storylines as to keep the listener guessing; talking about her.

[@manuelamartins2384]

This was perfection, madam.

[@sascharichardson217]

Chloe, cocaine. Sam, amphetamine Sophia, opiates Marcus, Marijuana

[@missmemister271]

thanks a lot for making this video 💞, its veeeery frustrating watching people twist clear sapphic coding just to fit their heteronormative narratives

[@theatreislove]

Nobody is twisting anything. There is no heteronormative narrative. Taylor just is actually straight and that’s okay. She has no sapphic coding in her work. You are the product of confirmation bias and delusion.

[@SkateStar017]

I want to point out two things I observed and figured out myself that has a queer context: First the song "Robin" sounds like a dedication song to Gaylors, such as the lyric "the secret we all vowed/ to keep from you in sweetness" sounds like Taylor's team decided to keep Taylor's sexuality a secret from her fans in the most sweetest, kindest way possible (so that they don't "ruin" Taylor's career and image). The "you look ridiculous.. you have no idea" sounds like when h0mophobic Swifties accuse Gaylors of sounding "crazy" but Taylor is reassuring us Gaylors that we are on to something, we were right all along. The second thing I want to point out is in the song "But Daddy I Love Him" I feel like the having a baby joke was implying that people would look at Taylor funny if she claimed she was having her muse's baby since she and her muse are both cis women and cis women can't have babies together naturally unless they get IVF treatments, but most straight people are not aware of the fact that there are family-planning methods for sapphic couples so they would look at a woman funny if she claimed she was having her female partner's baby.

[@theatreislove]

I mean this the nicest way possible but you really need to go get some professional help. You’re extremely out of touch with reality and it’s concerning. Taylor isn’t gay, she has made it clear she’s uncomfortable with Gaylors and she’s not sending signals to your cult about her sexuality. Please get help.

[@naturaldyer]

the song robin is about Aaron dessners daughter............

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@naturaldyer Yeah and Betty was supposedly about Ryan Goslings kids......sure sounded gay to me and a lot of others

[@naturaldyer]

@@dragonfox2.058 she’s said they’re Gaylor theories make her uncomfortable. Why do you all continue. How is that kind or acceptable to try to out ppl even if you do think she’s gay. So bizarre.

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@naturaldyer I bet she gets uncomfortable about bing linked up with every penis bearer who walks by too. What do you think?

[@panama_scroll]

ok! You cooked, but all the ingredients were definitely there :D

[@cocoaswann2095]

Learned something new...again! Thanks Sapphic Underground! Yes, agreed. I'd feel the same if Charlize Theron or Halle Berry or Lucy Liu looked my way. Just sayin'. And RESPECT to Taylor for expressing her true, authentic self in her music.

[@jwoginrich]

Always here for this content darling

[@rturney6376]

These 20’s are supposed to be HUGE compared to the 1920’s.

[@AndreaMackenzie-r8r]

I agree with you about the album as a whole, for sure. Thank tou for this!!

[@thebrightqueen]

This is underrated. Thank you.

[@computerblue84]

35:33 “fix your face” is also a figure of speech in the American South meaning, “turn that frown upside down” or “get that crooked/upset look off your face”/ “change your attitude” - seeing as she is also from the South, it could also be from that angle! Once again, killer content!! Keep up the amazing work!!

[@maanihunt]

omg yes i was waiting for you to comment on this hahaha

[@yourmidnights13]

the way tily makes no sense if u think about it for more that 12 seconds

[@dragonfox2.058]

It's a great day when Tessa deconstructs a Swift album. Maybe I'll find something redeemable in it. Not fond of this one of hers

[@mathies3598]

why not? its so good

[@sabinacedillo3704]

But daddy I love him definitelyy a sapphic song

[@PlaceForAnEcho]

Haven’t listened to all the songs. Literally bought her album off her website and I’ve been playing ‘Who’s afraid of little old me’ on repeat. 😳I wish So long London was a half hr long. The cadence and vocabulary in guilty as sin is just top shelf. Who’s afraid little old me sounds like Lana Del Ray the most. How she pronounces and elongates words but the crescendos in it are amazing! This is all subjective, all these takes. I think it’s interesting but some reaching. You did admit it’s a lot more of a reach though for I can fix him. 👏🏾 Taylor’s dad seems like a dick. In her documentary he wasn’t supportive of her when she’s talking about stalking, laws to protect women, she was crying and got up and left the room. He seems tone deaf to what she experiences. Who’s afraid of little old me immediately made me think Who’s afraid of Virginia Woolf. Oh my hell you had to break down what the word masqueraded means for your audience? The audience is that dense? Oh that’s sad. Unrelated-I think Dianna really leans into the sapphic energy in roles, outfits, the killers music video, her posts. Taylor likely is very restricted to lean into anything sapphic. Also wasn’t Clara Bow the 1st “It” Girl while Taylor is the modern it girl. And Emily Jean Stone (Taylor’s friend) was an it girl and she very cerebrally broke down it girl is really only a concept. And I’m amused you commented you wished some songs weren’t song and didn’t go on as long or you didn’t expect them to be so heady (not the word you used, but) the album is called tortured poets department for a reason. You’re a poet. I’m like 🧐🤨poets obsess, break down, over analyze, over think, ruminate and you didn’t think those traits would show in the songs? 🤯ok.

[@om-boi]

Where are the gaylor theorist videos on the Travis Kelce relationship? I have been looking and not finding.

[@rturney6376]

What did you think 🤔 out Alchemy?

[@thebender3118]

I am sapphic myself, and I love you sapphic underground. But I'm sorry because this is definitely a reach 😭

[@ashslippedaway]

You’re trying to tell me as a lesbian you listened to an HOUR of this and have decided all of it is a reach?????

[@TAYLORZACHLANA]

If you’re interested in gaylor you should look up “me and Britney” Taylor swift unreleased. Also look up “Taylor swift old myspace” im not even kidding I’m gay and she said more fruity things on there than I have my entire life😭

[@lesbemo]

didnt like the album but im always sat for ur analyses

[@Vampirepup22]

Someone needs to show this to what i will say right now 😂

[@percysmitera6881]

You used the phrase "the plight of the bisexual." Do you have any videos that speak more to/about that? Thank you.

[@TAYLORZACHLANA]

You should look into reputation. It has a lot of sapphic themes

[@LinaSingers]

I love Taylor's music and I do think sapphic readings are reaching. Nevertheless, I like watching these videos as they open up new song interpretations for me as a lesbian.

[@realkingofantarctica]

You ever play "Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening: Special Edition"?

[@thr0wnaway]

I love this🩷

[@rturney6376]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ love love you are here!!! So sick 🤢 of the fake relationships!!! Blake Lively

[@rturney6376]

It is said Taylor is drinking 🍺 a lot and having an identity crisis. Smoking 🚬 weed. What are your thoughts 💭 about Travis K. Can’t get more of a meat head . So far from a s relationship.

[@dragonfox2.058]

It's nearly insulting at this point. God, he's so hairy too 🤮

[@panama_scroll]

Now! Billie Eilish's latest album! 😏

[@TAYLORZACHLANA]

In down bad it says “I’ll build you a fort on some planet” intrigues me because there was a song rumored to be about karlie with the lyrics “I’m laughing with my lover, making forts under covers” might be a parallel but maybe not since it’s a bit of a reach

[@TAYLORZACHLANA]

Also when it says “to the one who says I’m the girl of his American dreams” karlie referred to Taylor as the “American dream and the all American girl” many times

[@artistrophe6738]

Grabbing at straws but I'm here for it

[@lisarogers3393]

If she’s hiding her relationship’s, it’s because she’s a role model for most young girls on the planet. She probably doesn’t want to break their hearts. Who else could they look up to? She is the only “wholesome” artist on the planet for young girls. Moms are always thanking her for that. It would be be hard to pull a big 180 and let them down 😆. However, she knows that most of her fans realize that she’s written songs about her sapphic relationships. Only people still living under a rock are blind to to this.

[@dragonfox2.058]

Yeah, well, her pretending to be so submissive and weak around her beards is NOT a good role model IMO

[@snm2839]

What makes you think gay women can't be role models? Jesus, the self esteem of y'all is so low and so sad. Of course there can be gay role models for girls, they ALREADY EXIST.

[@A-Milly-A]

Taylor hasn't been wholesome for a while now, her songs are littered with swears, and ttpd literally has a song where she sings about masturbating.

[@katcounter5383]

If this is true I would hope she knows that being public about a sapphic relationship would not make her any less of a role model or wholesome. It’s no less appropriate for young girls to see than a heterosexual relationship, despite what closed minded people may say

[@snm2839]

@@katcounter5383 Taylor Swift knows that. FFS! She is just not a lesbian. Gaylors do not know that because they are trying to diminish the heroes of their own community instead of elevating them.

[@giadabonanno1205]

Artemis a lesbian?! What mythology do you know? Never say anything like this in front of examination commission. Male homosexuality, considered “normal”, was distinct from the female one, decidedly outrageous. Pay attention… ❤

[@giadabonanno1205]

Artemis was the Greek goddess of hunting, wild nature and chastity. I would like to investigate more about the role, responsibilities of the goddess and the deeds as they are passed down, without seeking invented meaning. 😊

[@WanisdaVocalQueen]

Mind blown shooting rainbows 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@JustChim]

You are the strongest warrior of defencing Gay Tay sapphic side nowadays. Respect

[@rturney6376]

I would be interested in your take on Matty Healy. People think she is calling him her twin; that the harder it was to love 💗 him the deeper the love 😮 🤷‍♀️

[@patriciamcallister6168]

I know that the world has changed as a whole, but I think it's incredibly important to acknowledge that Taylor's main fanbase is that of heterosexual women, mostly people that have grown up with her music. So even though it may be hard for you or I to understand, we must be aware of this fact. Especially since I'm fairly certain closeting in the Hollywood scene is still very proment. Just imagine that for a former country star that began her career in the 2000s, whose fanbase also regularly dives into her relationship with men, much like we do when it comes to her relationship with women. If Taylor is sapphic in any way, there is a selfish part of me that hopes she does eventually come out, because I believe it could potentially allow her some relief in life while also causing a dramatic shift in the industry as a whole. Plus, it would just be cool to say on the daily that Taylor Alison Swift is one of us 😂

[@theatreislove]

Taylor isn’t sapphic. She’s called herself an ally, said she’s not part of the LGBTQ community, said she’s never experienced homophobia, and she didn’t date her friends. Her team went to CNN to say that the Gaylor NYT article was invasive, untrue and inappropriate.

[@snm2839]

"Taylor's main fanbase is that of heterosexual women" Because she writes about her experiences about men, which is something straight women are very familiar with. If she were writing about her experiences with women, her audience would look so different to what it is. The fact is that she isn't. The fact is her music appeals to straight girls the most and that is the biggest clue you should have to NOT SPECULATE ABOUT HER SEXUALITY.

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@snm2839 Exactly. AND she'd lose a LOT of money

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@theatreislove And gods know our heroes would never lie! 🙄

[@snm2839]

@@dragonfox2.058 why would she? Her songs would still be the same! 🙄

[@dragonfox2.058]

The question of remaining closeted is probably more "yes" than I've seen it in a long time. Homophobia is ramping up again all over the world. This lesbian visibility week has seen some awful reactions to women coming out that I've seen. Nobody likes us again. It's another backlash. My guess it's the loudness of the trans element causing it. People are really starting to react to that and dragging us down with them

[@Applebliss99]

Just to be clear, you're blaming the "trans element" aka trans people for the homophobia of a bunch of conservatives?

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@Applebliss99 They've spotlighted eh entire gay (former") community with their BS. Don't kid yourself, we'll get it in the neck too, as was probably intended

[@Christine.152]

@@Applebliss99I think they’re (hopefully) more so blaming big pharma for pushing drugs onto children, and the trans people who don’t say anything about it. That’s harming everyone in the community, and it’s absolutely happening.

[@smgcrazy7]

That is not lavender. There was no actual lavender in the installation. Google pictures of lavender.

[@zoetevka4653]

Love you 🥰♥️🍁🪴☕️🏳️‍🌈🍁✨🥰♥️

[@EponineReads]

quoting You.Got Mail..."daisies are the friendlist flower" a movie where Meg Ryan's boyfriend is obsessed with typewriters. but fine whatever gives you the ability to sleep at night. Lesbians are so obsessed with symbols you leave no room for genuine use of words.

[@snm2839]

Not lesbians. Just gaylors. They really can’t see two white women together without sexualising them. But only the straight ones.

[@SmartisanArtisan]

Probably because we have had to use them so much. Easy to see what you convey at times. But does it matter? Speculation is human. No one is dragging her down. And being a lesbian is honestly a huge burden, but those of us true to our selves will know when we see. And we see. :)

[@snm2839]

@@SmartisanArtisanwhat kind of self aggrandising nonesense are you saying? Taylor mentioned over and over again that she is an ally. You don’t have to speculate at that point. She has made her position clear and it’s not your place to contradict that, regardless whether is true or not.

[@belle90150]

not lesbians just gaylors

[@belle90150]

@@SmartisanArtisanTaylor has said that she doesn’t like these speculations

[@SwiftieEdits1313]

I think its pretty rude of you to continue to speculate when she has shut this down multiple times.

[@emmalee8615]

Omg thank you it took so long to find a sane person in these comments

[@MrKaseyooo]

Taylor has clearly stated she's not a part of the lgbt community - "I didn't realize until recently that I could advocate for a community that I'm not a part of", and more than once. Can we not respect that as a community? This is so much reaching. She openly talks about how people also sexualize her female friendships, so none of her friendships are seen as safe spaces for her. She has healthy, deep female friendships. As a lesbian, this video gives me the ick. We should really respect people who advocate for our communities a lot more, rather than create fictional speculative Easter Eggs on how they're secretly also lgbt+ . It feels almost predatory. Especially when this album is overwhelming very clearly about Joe, Travis, and mainly Matty Healy... confirmed by the fact his family came out and made a statement of how he was tipped off. I will be unsubscribing.

[@sonyxperia7881]

Sir you right... Too much of ambiguous coincidences in the past lyrics... After Taylor's statement, it's purely for the delulus. I am one such. Sorry I failed TS

[@edithbunker3018]

I don't believe you were ever subscribed in the first place, considering Sapphic Underground has been analyzing the queer themes in Taylor's work for quite some time. You're just now coming to this conclusion? Sure. And Billie Eilish has explicitly said she was straight, but just came out, so it doesn't matter if Taylor said something 5 years ago. People are allowed to change and people are allowed to observe Taylor's work through their own lenses.

[@elizabethmorgan293]

I'm not much of a Taylor Swift fan, but I won't be surprised if she ends up being the Evelyn Hugo of pop. Don't forget that back in the day, screen sirens Ava Gardner & Marilyn Monroe were two of the biggest closet cases in Hollywood. To this day, straight people think that both of them epitomize female heterosexuality- man crazy to the max. Not so; both were aggressive skirt chasers. IMO, Taylor accessorizes w/ men. They just become part of her persona at any given time.

[@dragonfox2.058]

I've argued this before; she'd have to come out to be part of it, and she hasn't. Until she does, she ain't part of the community

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@elizabethmorgan293 It was hard to find anyone back then who wasn't gay. Barbara Stanwyck too

[@snm2839]

I really do not understand what is wrong with this particular group of people. You are not interpreting lyrics. You are taking lines out of context to PROVE that Taylor is gay. That crosses a line. You have no right to do that. The truth is there is no reason for any artist to hide their sexuality in the way you guys are implying. Imagine the amount of resources she has had to invest to keep something no one cares about "secret", especially when no one actually believes she is a lesbian. Either you believe she has the entirety of New York on a NDA agreement to hide her queerness, or just accept, she has never dated a woman.

[@wilmepelin589]

There's plenty of reasons for people to hide their sexuality. "You have no right to do that". Lighten up, clown. This video has 3,000 views and is probably the only one on youtube that talks about the lyrics possibly being about women. How did you find it, anyways? Don't watch it if it upsets you so much.

[@theatreislove]

EXACTLY. These people are so out of touch with reality it’s scary. She’s said she’s not part of the queer community and that she’s an ally. Among other things including having her team go to CNN to dispel a Gaylor article and yet these people claim she’s never said she’s straight or said anything to stop their delusions. Taylor is so obviously straight. Her music is all about men and she’s happy with her current boyfriend. And somehow pointing this out to Gaylors they will call you homophobic which is just not true and ignorant.

[@cfor8129]

Did you watch an hour long video you knew you wouldn't like? Have you heard of watching things you think you'd enjoy?

[@theatreislove]

@@cfor8129 didn’t have to watch it to know this video is ignorant.

[@snm2839]

@@cfor8129I stopped watching the moment she brought up that Zionist uneducated woman who betrayed her.

[@annemariebretz1610]

I'll take her at her word that she's not gay, but certain of her lyrics, close female relationships and apparently disposable male relationships don't help her make the case. Someone on Quora answered a question posed recently about whether or not TS could be mentally ill and made at least as compelling a case for that as for her possible gayness. He noted that the rate at which she collects and disposes of men, and even women, though differently, without any real sadness, then immediately turns the affairs into songs/stories isn't typical by average (non psycho- or sociopath) emotional standards, makes the relationships more of a business enterprise, whereas an average person might be wracked by guilt or a mess of emotions after a failed relationship. I find the sheer rate at which she goes through people, including female friendships/affairs, weird and makes me question her ability to relate honestly and deeply to anyone without a songwriting/business ulterior motive. She could be on the spectrum. Definitely a complex woman. Having attained such an extraordinary level of fame, wealth and power, her highest priority is probably to preserving that status over being honest publicly about her sexuality if she is, in fact, gay.

[@sonyxperia7881]

Gaylors once again fail mother Taylor...I'm in for it 😅

[@sonyxperia7881]

@@Sara88890 chill yo. It's an expression

[@josephgilbert1864]

The reaching in this video is astonishing

[@isabellascalzitti9524]

why don't you ever talk about the most obvious possible girlfriends like Blake Lively Emma Stone and Gigi Hadid??

[@EponineReads]

"but Daddy I love him" is a cliche that any petulant teenager has said. this is just like Luke I am your father. In the movie Ariel does NOT say the word 'but" I hate this 'lavender' stuff. It is a pretty color. Why do you get to own the color?