The Terminator Deep Dive + Top James Cameron

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THE TERMINATOR DEEP DIVE + TOP JAMES CAMERON
Ty Franck (one half of James S.A. Corey) and Wes Chatham ('Amos Burton' on The Expanse) finally do a deep dive on one of their favorite movies of all time... The Terminator. Also they talk a lot about Arnold's dong...
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[@davidlericain]

I like that Wes always asks "Do you remember the first time you saw it?". Such a good question that leads us into the movie.

[@ricardob.6924]

So cool that you guys acknowledge how great Michael Biehn is. If you guys haven't already, you should check out his two appearances on the Inside of You Podcast pretty recently, within the past year. He comes across as one of the most honest and sincere actors out there. He says he's sober now and looks fully recovered from his stroke and still loves acting. Let's hope we get to see more of him performing in the coming years.

[@BeckerFlag]

I always thought Bein could have been what Bruce Willis became as a star.

[@NomeDeArte]

I born in 1984 and when I was like 4, 5 my dad have a vhs recorder (which was rare at that time in my country). So one night he said to me "I record the terminator, a movie about a robot which has to kill a woman, check it out" and he recorded the last scene, like when the truck get on fire, the robot burn and the final chase at the factory. Off course I love it, but for YEARS I believe that THAT was the whole movie. I don't know, I was little. But people was "remember when he mess his eyes in the bathroom?" and I was like "what bathroom? that scene is isn't in the movie".

[@deflxr]

The factory at the end is actually cyberdyne if you check out deleted scenes. They basically delivered the chip and endoskeleton directly to be reverse-engineered

[@GazpachoTabletop]

yeah there's those two employees looking the chip over and wondering if it's Japanese. Great clip

[@GaricSnow]

In depth analysis of Arnolds dong, that's why there are 1's of us. Keep up the good work boys! Always a joy to watch you two.

[@iainyoung8057]

*orders blu ray*

[@lmamakos]

You don't get this kind of in depth cinematic analysis anywhere else.

[@rebreaville9332]

I was at Air Force Officer Training School and saw this movie on base at night. We went as a group (we did everything as a group) and we had to wear our uniforms (because we always wore uniforms). We were all pretty amazed. Our expectation was that it would be stupid. After “I’ll be back” I was sold. I saw T2 while assigned to the USS JF Kennedy (I flew with the Navy for a while), and it was even more amazing. When Linda Hamilton was doing pull ups and all muscled up, one of the pilots in the squadron said “I want her”. We all fell over laughing because A) we were all married, and B) Like, yeah?! I think this movie began my fascination with AIs. You could not have a 20 year military career and not believe that Terminators would be created as soon as possible. I think that they ‘d have a sliver of soul in their minds. “I’ll be back” is not a necessary communication for a robot. In fact, it’s deleterious. But, it’s consistent with a bad ass with self awareness. So…a tiny sliver of soul. I’m a Guy who loves your podcast. Great teaming of an actor and a writer together.

[@kerrissedai6857]

I saw Terminator on VHS. I knew it was going to be good when there was text crawling at the beginning of the movie😂. I was probably 8 or 9 yrs old when I saw it. I just loved it! I didn’t realize it, but I love stories with a female protagonist who find their power. I think Terminator is a great romance story with some action scenes. I fell in love with Kyle Reece/ Michael Biehn.

[@yamagata008]

I continue to log into this channel to see Wes' intros. This was a good intro. What I want to write is that Wes is the coolest Dad out there. I hope his kids appreciate him. If they don't, I want hm to be my Dad! Great episode -- nice dialog and interaction. I loved this show!

[@echobasealpha2678]

I'm going through the 'Sarah Connor Chronicles' tv series right now, (really enjoying it), so thank you for talking about the movie that started it all!

[@theMLBfan]

Really enjoyed that show. Just be ready for an amazing cliffhanger ending that sadly never gets finished.

[@Bikewer]

That was a series that just got better and better… And then was abruptly cancelled. Some really great writing.

[@kerrissedai6857]

One of my favorite episodes is in season 1…it punches you in the stomach. Really enjoyed Brian Austin Green!

[@J.A.1969]

Saw that series when it first came on and really liked it at the time.

[@theMLBfan]

One of my all time favorite movies. Can't wait for your deep dive on T2.

[@monicafelstead3260]

I liked text crawls before Ty, but now every time I see one I'm thinking, does it really need to be there....

[@hpw101]

Same. Has Ty ever commented on the Star Wars crawls? Feel like that’s maybe the one instance he could get behind them.

[@monicafelstead3260]

@@hpw101 He mostly hated the Star Wars ones too lol

[@GazpachoTabletop]

yeah, seeing it through Ty's eyes it would be cool if it jsut started with Arnold being plopped at the observatory

[@VincentBrancatisano1980]

It’s not only the best Terminator film but the best film James Cameron has made this far. It’s also an easy top 5 film of all time for me. Love it so much.

[@Ultratoast01]

I had the best intentions to listen to this live, but then I promised myself I'll be back. It always bugged me how the VHS box had a picture of Arnie on the cover with The Terminator above it, spoiling the first part of the movie when you're not supposed to know which one of the two characters who travelled back in time is the villain.

[@jamesmoriarty7796]

Michael Biehn is such a fantastic actor. Ty is completely right. He should have been at Tom Cruise levels of fame.

[@ShishakliAus]

Biehn makes this movie work. Without him, it's just another b movie. They say the actor does not denote the king. The actors around the king denote the king. That's what Biehn did for Schwarzenegger

[@OffRampTourist]

I kept waiting for it to happen after this film and Aliens.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

Biehn was fantastic in Tombstone as Johnny Ringo #InVinoVeritas

[@CaptainEnglehorn]

@@ShishakliAusfrom what i remember him saying, he just hated doing press junkets for movies because he felt so phony doing them, so he never did them.

[@GazpachoTabletop]

Man, The Terminator is my all time favourite film. It's just so good. I saw it on VHS when I was a kid around 10 or something. I just love how it's so bleak and smart and the way it was made too. Loved watching this (as it happens I was painting my terminator minis for the Terminator Genisys the Miniatures Game) as I don't get the opportunity to just talk about The Terminator with my friends. So it was really fun to be a part of your discussion if only tangentially

[@kenraves7931]

Hahah aww, my partne rand I just put this on our roulette of stuff to watch today, how romantic~!!

[@roovodi]

Robots are strong, and bodybuilder type bodies are good cover up for their strength.

[@GazpachoTabletop]

I kind of thought that it was 'we need a big guy to be able to fit this machine inside of'

[@lmamakos]

Ty's shelves seem to have achieved completion! So many Stuff and Things now.

[@VIRGOLEGACY]

@40:22 I always had that same nitpick like even if the terminator is injured he wouldn’t stop with the mission

[@danielcote5841]

First, thanks for the awesome and well deserved shout out to Michael Biehn 🤩Second I remember vividly seeing the movie in theatre 40 years ago and even if the scroll was superfluous, the fade out from the flash forward scenes to the opening title tied in with my second favourite score (after The Thing of course) of all times has been seared in my brain ever since so yeah, it worked a lot for me lol.

[@GazpachoTabletop]

oh yeah the soundtrack to this film is just amazing

[@jeffstubblefield6818]

In an alternate universe, John Carpenter directed The Terminator and James Cameron directed The Thing.

[@davidcoleman757]

It's been Deep Dive Nirvana recently. Really enjoyed this one. Thanks guys.

[@freshhands9461]

Just love your enthusiasm. Like goshing over favourite movies with your buddies :) One thing though: The future battlefield scenes in Terminator 1 are among the best ever. Since I was a kid, I wanted a whole movie set in this world, with that exact visual direction. I do get your point about text scrolls however...never gave it much thought, now I kind of hate them, too.

[@simonemason2281]

How did you like Terminator Salvation?

[@tommc3622]

There is only one Terminator movie. The resistance had stormed the time displacement complex. Skynet sent a single T-800 to 1984. The resistance sent Reese after it, and blew the complex. ... "Nobody goes home and nobody else comes through." ... "Well don't you have ray-guns or something?" ... "Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go." ... I guess the audience is supposed to forget about the main plot device for the sequels. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@theMLBfan]

They could've found a second complex that Skynet built. One with more advanced capabilities that could send a T1000 through. 🤷‍♂️

[@tommc3622]

Possible. But none of that is ever shown or explained to us. All we, as the audience know, is that a T-1000 can't travel through time.

[@FlyingwithFire]

future timeline changed

[@tommc3622]

​@@FlyingwithFire Please refer to my previous statement above.

[@kousetsuhana]

I love these two movies, I'm delighted you guys are deep diving them 🥰

[@miller-joel]

They didn't mention Harlan Ellison, though. He'll probably come back to life to sue them.

[@simonemason2281]

A great movie with a great podcast. I'm looking forward to the one for Terminator 2

[@DarkSideofSynth]

Ta da tan ta da tan... Ta da tan ta da tan... 🎶

[@LtKirthGersen]

another good one, guys

[@Katatonic2000]

Good Chat Boys! Tech Noir Forever! 👏👏👏

[@DavideTarasconi]

The Terminator fixing his own arm is probably one of my first movie memory ever (I'm 40), I was probably 4 years old when my parents watched it on TV, and full-on in the "why" period and I kept asking why and how he could fix himself.

[@LarenOz]

I actually put of watching The Terminator for so long because of Arnold being in it. I only got the video from the petrol station because I’d watched every other sci-fi they had. It’s now one of my Top 5 movies ever.

[@mudmonkeymagic]

Re Ty's desire to avoid text crawls: I was at university in the 80's and saw Highlander on VHS with a bunch of other students and so many were confused by what was going on. Some actually left! Typical comment 'why are there hills above the car park?' That was when young me realised that a degree don't mean you're smart. So, I am with him 100% but I can see why Hollywood execs might want to spoonfeed the masses!

[@dw7646]

You guys mentioned “the hight of rampart” at 41:58. If you look at the walls of the police station during the shootout, there is a map that says “rampart” on it in one of the offices. I don’t know if you were directly referring to that, but, I thought it was an interesting detail. It’s on Traxler’s door when he tells Sarah “Stay here”. Btw, model 101 refers to what the T-800 looks like. It’s the designation for its disguise. I’m a dork, lol. Great video guys 👍🏻

[@GazpachoTabletop]

yeah I think 102 is the other terminator who kills those dogs in the resistance shelter. I wonder how many skins they went up to?

[@brotherjustincrowe]

Wes is right. Lance Henriksen woulda been incredible.

[@J.A.1969]

Agreed about Michael Biehn that he should have been a rock star in the world of actors. Recently watched him in an MK Ultra type of action flick called Time Bomb and he was amazing in it. Not a great film but he rises above the bad direction and unfinished looking special effects. There's an interview with Hamilton during Dark Fate on a talk show and she revealed that she almost didn't do The Terminator because of A.S. She knew who he was but she was very wary. She got on set when they were filming him alone because Cameron was really hoping to convince her and she eventually thought OK, she could do it. She reveals this sitting right next to Arnold and he was completely shocked and had no idea that had happened.

[@sorscha1308]

Absolutely LOVE this film. Saw it when i was 8 or 9 (80s parenting was the best. My mum still swears she didn't let me watch it but i would not have had to explain the timey wimey aspect to my babysitter, she would've got it and mum barely understands Back to the Future soooo case closed). I absolutely loved it from the first watch and must have seen it dozens of times. I don't recall ever noticing Arnold's dong and for me Reece was absolutely the star of the show from the beginning. I loved that character and MB's performance was pitch perfect. Linda's was too and i always think of it as far more of a star crossed love story than an action film. Their timey wimey arc is just heartbreakingly cruel fate but i love it. I also can't really watch the theatrical cut of T2 after seeing the director's cut, as it puts that aspect back in, with the dream sequence of MB in the hospital. I get that it needed to be a popcorn movie for the theatres but that scene puts the heart back into the narrative for me and i can't watch without it now.

[@gexay]

It's worth pointing out that in the Fallout universe, the timeline diverged from ours in the 50s and technology and society didn't really advance the same way ours did. In fact when the bombs dropped, it was actually in 2077, but the world resembles more of what people in the 50s beleived the future would be like.

[@J.A.1969]

The Terminator is truly an amazing science fiction horror classic. Recently watched a 35mm scan of it and the grunginess of it is still one of the best things about it. Linda Hamilton is the real centerpiece of this film and the soundtrack is awesome to this day. For some reason, this film has got some serious John Carpenter vibes to it. When I watch it, I can't help but wonder what if John Carpenter had directed this film instead. It just seems like a film that was made just for him to make. I do agree that after the second film, the others don't exist but I actually really like Dark Fate. It feels like a proper sequel even though John Connor gets killed in it. That was a real drag but it's still pretty good.

[@nigeldonaldson1647]

I don't know if youve ever seen the VERY underrated 1973 film - WEST WORLD BUT it was the the original TERMINATOR film parts of it even inspired ROBOCOP as well ( the patronising, humouring, Delos promotion advert seen in the beginning etc) WEST WORLD was the template model of how to make quality suspence Science fiction for the adult market.

[@howtoirishdancewithalanfox7078]

Come with me if you want to not die!!!!

[@moonrazk]

Snobs like to hate on the Avatar movies but I love them, they're _amazing_ movie experiences, they're very much worth watching "the way it's intended", aka in IMAX 3D.

[@Mortys_Toilet_Attendant]

If you can accept a block space time universe time travel works a bit better - as the back and forth will always have been there, so no paradox.

[@kuningaskolassas4720]

"Could the terminator have sex?" The T-1000 definitely could

[@tommc3622]

Guys, PLEASE do a "Deep Dive" on Sorcerer.

[@pacodance29]

First R rated movie I saw uncensored was T2, and it was INCREDIBLE. So much so, that it ruined T1 for me. All the tension was deflated by knowing there was a sequel (that kicked ass).

[@daplace902]

Henricksen Wes ... HENRICKSEN

[@vektor7136]

A cybernetic organism - living tissue over metal ENDOskeleton, Ty. Endo, not exo. Hurt me every time. Hurt me real bad.

[@gillianrosheuvel6750]

Did they do Terminator 2 already?

[@roovodi]

James Cameron directed like 9 movies. You could've rank them all.

[@seisdoseis]

Shouldn't it be just skeleton or perhaps endoskeleton? Exoskeletons are exterior. Exo= exterior, endo= interior. Geeking out.

[@Mortys_Toilet_Attendant]

My boys are 6 and 8, is that too young Wes do you think?

[@kubrickenigma7977]

Most children's teachers of any generation would recommend against. I say this as a guy who watched T2 at 10 in the second-run theater, and my Dad was pretty good at covering my eyes to keep it PG-14ish.

[@ChrisGwilliam83]

🔔👍🏻

[@princepsbellum3413]

The ONLY acceptable James Cameron order is: Aliens T2 True Lies The Terminator The Abyss