The Terrifying Rise of the Woke - Peter Boghossian (4K) | heretics. 32

Peter Boghossian is an American professor concerned that Diversity, Equity and Inclusion has led to the end of meritocracy in colleges, with corruption and plagiarism absolutely rife. And it’s trickling down to the rest of us. We discuss the Claudine Gay Harvard scandal, and much more.
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Chapters:
0:00 Boghossian Highlights
0:45 What is DEI?
1:45 Peter Boghossian’s Hysterical Studies
4:25 What Helen Pluckrose & James Lindsay Proved (Corruption)
5:45 Can We Use The Word WOKE
7:45 Why Smart People Fall For This
11:45 The One Really Scary Thing
13:45 Does College Still Mean Something?
15:45 Is DEI & Woke a Cult - Compared to Far Right
18:45 Right & Left Authoritarianism
19:25 Plagiarism & Corruption
20:45 Harvard President Claudine Gay Plagiarism
23:45 Peter’s Big Prediction (Terrifying)
28:45 How Do Corrupt People Feel Good?
30:45 The Sane Left Know Something’s Wrong
33:45 Peter & Andrew’s Disagreement
36:45 Why do academics plagiarise?
39:15 Woke Racism (Presumptions About Minorities)
41:45 Should Your Kids Go To College? (South Park)
44:25 Unconscious Bias & Racism
47:45 Restricted Speech
51:25 A Heretic Peter Admires

[@andrewgoldheretics]

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[@zxyatiywariii8]

Subbed! 👍🏽

[@patsyballantyne9886]

84 great numbers Andrew 😉😊

[@liberality]

I subscribed when this channel started. Checked today, and I was unsubscribed without my knowledge. Thanks KZbin!

[@DrWrapperband]

Encouraging abusive toxic cults, I thought you seemed better than that Andrew.

[@haydenwalton2766]

interesting discussion andrew. one contention - the people that believe this stuff are not 'intelligent', they are high functioning - at best. Intelligence and wisdom are very different attributes. and one more - (when anybody can be bothered to check) the data fraud and faulty methodology that will be discover in the social sciences will blow these institutions out of the water

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you for having me on your show, Andrew. I really appreciate our conversation.

[@DaniTofte]

Just got done watching. I can’t get enough of this topic. It just keeps getting better!

[@mistuhgee]

In all seriousness, you are a hero!

[@Mithras444]

Keep speaking up and thank you for doing so!😉

[@lmaololroflcopter]

I’m terrified by the woke , Peter. SAVE ME DADDY!!!

[@mistuhgee]

@lmaololroflcopter I am actually. Woke supports Hamas, wants excellence out of schools from k to PhD, thinks a 50 year old man should be allowed to enter a girls' change room, hates men, hates Asians gorgeous being White-Adjacent, etc. It's terrifying. Given your reply, you also support all thise things.

[@carolinebee7432]

“ Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals would believe them “

[@jazzochannel]

this is why religion appeals to both smart and dull people, but some of the smart people have converted religion into a tool for control. anyway, my point is any ideology and any type of blind faith is bad for truth and liberty.

[@user-vc7sn6oy3j]

"Indoctrination is no respecter of intellect" -Plato- err me

[@jenniferbailey5914]

@@jazzochannelit’s been a useful tool for thousands of years for people to get rich and have control over the masses. People have died in the name of religion yet they still blindly follow. The promise is that they will live forever….I got news for them. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. The End!

[@redshirt5126]

"The frustrated intellectual is one of the most dangerous creatures on the planet." James Lindsey

[@Globaldave1970]

Yeah, like they are so clever they've lapped common sense.

[@Matsyendranath792]

The term "far-right" is routinely levelled at people who aren't, by any definition.

[@lesliehouser1131]

Yes it is. I would like them to define what they consider far right.

[@RealtyWebDesigners]

@@lesliehouser1131Far right is when you have Swastka tattoos .. like Ukrainian soldiers for example.

[@RealtyWebDesigners]

@@lesliehouser1131Far right is when you think only women can get pregnant. :)

[@jsgdk]

Liberals are getting called far-right at this point.

[@michaelmillican5592]

Today's republican is much more like a democratic from the 1990s and before. The modern democratic is something entirely different. We need a new name for them, because they are different.

[@ponyboygarfunkel1675]

$900,000 per year for a Harvard professor would lead me to suspect that these people have lost touch.

[@ponyboygarfunkel1675]

Note: I am a proud graduate in the class of 1978 from that most prestigious institution, Slippery Rock State College.

[@PeteQuad]

I disagree. I would love to see teaching become a well respected and extremely highly paid career. Unfortunately the way things are going in the universities this is unlikely to happen.

[@ponyboygarfunkel1675]

@@PeteQuad >"I disagree."< With what?

[@PeteQuad]

@@ponyboygarfunkel1675 that $900K is too much to give to a top university professor

[@ponyboygarfunkel1675]

@@PeteQuad Which is exactly what I suggested.

[@hd-be7di]

"It removes the possibility of error correction" I believe the correct term for this action is: BRAINWASHING

[@FocusedFighter777]

100% But dont you dare say this about religions! If I type it here YT will delete my comment and threaten my channel with removal due to "hate speech" Isl@ M0 Ph0 Bi@ INST REAL. They are taking over but using all the woke $heep$ to fight for their cause.

[@rross27]

"Unethical Hypnosis" techniques, brainwashing... Read about and compare the methods used in cults to capture & control the minds of members. It sure looks to me like these same methods (first developed in China more than a thousand years ago) are being used in so called, "New Age Religions" and on our children in modern re-education camps known as universities.

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

true

[@sellesportico]

If ideologies could be ‘improved’ they would converge towards common sense.

[@hermanbril2682]

I started talking about these things without holding back. I have lost ALL my friends. Most of them first wanted to shush me. Only one left. You have to understand this. Now, I have been a musician and teacher (History and German) for 38 years. I don't care about that. I see the lies all day. But its not just these people. It's the people like us that do not speak up that I blame.

[@DaniTofte]

Sorry to hear this. I have lost most of my friends but still have a small tribe left.

[@seekingishwara737]

This is the way. I came to the same conclusion. We must accept and allow little discords day to day. In order to prevent a great clash.

[@kathyhansen2820]

Honestly, you're probably better off without them.

[@kimberlyleal9820]

I appreciate your comment, as it hits home. Not speaking up is a form of complicity.

[@karllib]

Sorry to hear this. I knew PC was divisive over 30 years ago. The woke tend to like it as a litmus test between oppressor and oppressed or enlightened and unenlightened. Now we've lived through PC, identity politics, wokeness. In a Jr hs teacher's wall in my town hangs a poster that contains 57 different gender identities. The "rabbit hole with a telephone," comes to mind.

[@esthermarcen7587]

Gay not only plagiarized, by using full sections of a book that was published in 1993, she denied it. so she is a thief and a liar, what kind of teacher she can be?

[@marycronopulosraz9776]

The search committee did not even consider her publication record.

[@tsf637]

I would not want my kids influenced by the likes of her!!!

[@machtnichtsseimann]

If Gay were completely held accountable, wouldn't it be the most humanizing, respecting, and Equality-supporting action? Otherwise, it comes off as a back-handed move of racism, i.e. why would this person of color be expected to think for herself, credit all sources, and not steal/plagiarize? Play according to the rules of all graduate school students? Holding her less accountable is infantilizing. What's worse: Gay's plagiarism OR Harvard's institutional corruption?

[@Namelbmert]

Gay is a typical modern reeducator, nothing more, nothing less. Pigment protects Gay and its ilk in its leftist playpen.

[@UNCHART3DGAMING]

A serial plagiarizer that obtained tenure by way of fraud retains her post @ $900K/YR - any parent sending of their kids to these institutions are idiots and part of this massive problem

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

We are way too sensitive these days. I notice it when I spend time with my 70 year old dad and his generation. They constantly roast and make fun of each other and make jokes at each other's expense. No one gets mad or offended. I mean I'm not saying there's no line you can't cross, but I feel like younger generations are just wimps. That includes my generation

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

That's my inclination too. I push against it at every opportunity! I am 73 and true to gen BB, I will have my say...while also listening to others...how else do we learn?

[@M0odyBlue]

I was always taught “don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.” So very tired of all the woke nonsense.

[@JoJo-xo7lg]

​@@maureenrhysjones4643I'm 97 and your generation were the original woke pussies. 😂

[@davidmuir7711]

Oh my! You’re a big meanie. I’ll have to go to therapy twice this week.

[@wudly9195]

Because they are authoritarian Marxists . They are brainwashed on an academic level to see the world through power imbalances . Offensive speech (in their minds ) validates those perceived power imbalances .

[@sues3218]

People need to grow a spine, and just laugh it off if someone calls you a name. Time for adults to grow up in this nation.

[@janettedewar6617]

Sticks and stones etc

[@bobbiejay2085]

True however people must also hold their tongues.

[@kthxpls]

@@bobbiejay2085 holding our tongues is exactly what these weirdos want us to do, so they can keep destroying everything that is good, we need and should speak against what it is evil, and this woke virus is pure evil, is satanic and diabolic, we normal people that live in reality should speak the truth and not be afraid of it. So, away with this "hold your tongues" bullshit..

[@ciflaudin9755]

This whole bs is propageted by women with their "comapasion" and "empathy".

[@josephwilson1385]

But is it just words?

[@dionbram]

"The curse of the intelligentsia is their ability to rationalize and re-define. Ordinary people, lacking that gift, are forced to face reality." ~Thomas Sowell

[@Truthnowhere2020]

Fantastic work. Having just left my PhD studies last month, this resonated with me intensely. When asked why I decided to leave, I quoted a loss of faith in academia and the university made me feel like a complete idiot for that response. I'm so happy to know it wasn't in my head, thank you.

[@pandakicker1]

I have abandoned it as well but left without saying anything. I am waiting for Peter Boghossian to start his university up so I can go there and nowhere else.

[@ianross225]

Good for you. You’re so right.

[@michaeldarling33669]

​​@@pandakicker1 he has. Look up University of Austin

[@ijustagirl74]

Mathew,we need more like you to stand up and say something.,dont be dissheartened you will find its the best decision as you knew deep down it felt wrong so you stepped away.

[@aclark903]

Can I ask which department? I think some subjects are woker than others?

[@DragonBiscuit]

We’ve reached a point where our academic institutions have become so infected, we can no longer trust anyone’s credentials. In other words, just because someone has “graduated” and is a working “doctor” “lawyer” or other “professional” does NOT mean they are competent. This is a much bigger issue than people realize and will increasingly harm our society for decades, even if we were somehow able to immediately rebuild these institutions (which we cannot). Ask the question: How do I as a layman, assess the competence of my doctor? Answer: You cannot. These are dark times indeed.

[@PinballBob1]

At 1 point, you could be assured that because they had a degree, they were competent, whatever their genetic makeup/ sex, etc. Nowadays, one looks at their markers & can decide whether or not they are capable. The complete opposite of what woke people would hope to happen.

[@lil-al]

Especially if they are from a "minority" group whose only criterion for even entering a degree course is being a member of said group.

[@kristenmarie9248]

I know 2 young people who are studying to be therapists. They both are completely brainwashed, radicalized woke idiots. Their personal lives are a disaster, and they have no common sense. They are easily taken by any breeze of social injustice fad. The future of mental health care is doomed if there is not a societal change.

[@nextwave1314]

The problem is you can lose your job, in some instances, if you don’t play along. All of this wokeness would have had no wide acceptance if businesses didn’t buy into it and enforce it.

[@coolwater55]

Yes, Canada is whacked now. Scary, but our Charter of Rights now protects pronouns..a man getting irate over being misgendered can get some8ne front page news and fired. Or fined, or mobbed.

[@kittenclawsguitarvideos6147]

Watching this gives me hope. There are people who still have logic and who are brave enough to speak out.

[@zoefree3950]

There are a lot more than we think, anyone who is not jumping on the woke bandwagon and is just staying silent is very definitely on the common sense and logic side….

[@kittenclawsguitarvideos6147]

@zoefreeman3950 it's on TV, ads, I've heard people using the woke language and having to take training. It's in most movies too. I've been to communist countries, and it's eerily similar

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

brave enough to speak out? about what? people with exactly this message are the mainstream, jordan peterson is probably the most recommended by youtube figure on youtube. he IS the mainstream. holding views like his isnt brave or subversive whatsoever.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

@@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate May I suggest that you try to get a job, then once you have that job - particularly so if in media, for any American or European company, or technology company; then see whether speaking out like Peterson is "in the mainstream". Specifically also, referencing kittenclaws' comment above; check out the makeup of people in advertising, then decide again what is 'mainstream' (advertising after all should be the most mainstream thing going, appealing to the most main of mainstream audiences). In several firms, speaking out like that will see you lose your job, so I'd consider speaking out to be a pretty 'brave' decision on the basis of that. For example the case of Allison Bailey (search Garden Court Chambers Allison Bailey unfair dismissal), and this is not uncommon, it's just that it's not often that people are willing (or able) to risk their livelihood (usually meaning the risk of losing their house, their car, children etc) - remember that Peterson himself though "mainstream" has also lost his career, initial livelihood, and qualification, due to speaking out. Many people are not in the position to be able to pick up a 2nd career as a broadcaster - and even several who do (such as Carl Benjamin) are cut off from income by companies such as Google as a direct result.

[@kittenclawsguitarvideos6147]

@@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate mainstream on youtube is not real life or the workplace.

[@v.c.de-beaupre2855]

"Go to trade school.." Yes, good advice👍🛠

[@user-sf8mu4pl2j]

I met a man who got training as a boiler maker, he told me the 🍁 government paid for it, and he started in his 40s, he said he wished he started sooner & they can make money to buy house in no time.

[@carolewilson1311]

if that is what they want

[@sanniepstein4835]

A whole generation of tradesmen has been retiring in the past few years. Opportunities abound.

[@user-hp9xs1tu9l]

Tradies are making buckets right now but if everyone becomes a tradie that will flip and then jobs that require degrees will be really hard to fill and then you're in trouble. Because you need the person to build the building but also the engineers to make sure it is structurally sound. You need the Dr and you need the person that fixes the Drs car so she can get to work.

[@HandgunSafe]

Nobody believed me when I was studying psychology. I kept saying only 50% of the psychology papers I read held up to scrutiny. The methodology was faulty in half the papers, and obviously the studies could never be replicated. I kept saying this over and over.

[@oceanpier]

The book' lying with statistics' did it for me.

[@saoirse2963]

@@oceanpier Do you mean "How to lie with statistics"?

[@gwenj5419]

I agree. I am basically conservative in politics, religions and values. I don't require anyone to think like I do. But I don't want my way of thinking punished by authoritarian businesses, educational institutions, or governments either.

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

So nicely put! I couldn't agree more!

[@sophietemple2728]

I’m not very conservative, though I probably am in some respects, and having both “progressive” and “conservative” mindsets in society I think is important, to balance the extremes of both ideas. This idea that if you’re even a little bit conservative you’re basically evil is just dumbfounding to me and clearly a mechanism for woke authoritarianism to control the political zeitgeist.

[@carolewilson1311]

well said

[@treesixnine]

And you better get ready to protect it

[@stirlingoscar736]

So excited to see Peter Boghossian is on! Heretics is your masterstroke Andrew. Well done.

[@cathyharris-gilliam5164]

i graduated in 76 and it seems i saw this coming. no way did i want my children going to college all 3 have went to trade schools born 75..77 87...all own own homes upstanding citizens.thirr children are all almost all grown and throughout thier lives the friends that went to college cannot mow thier lawns!!! this subject is so true!!!!! thx to you both

[@lesleyrichards4278]

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

WOAH! How did you get into college with that wonderful grammar/punctuation? Given that you can do a degree in banal subjects in USA,, it is to be expected I guess.

[@jenniferbailey5914]

Mine too. They had the brains to go but chose a trade instead. All married, got children, own their own homes and have a comfortable life while their college educated friends are working at McDonalds.

[@grannyannie2948]

It's the same in Australia.

[@ianross225]

I graduated in ‘81 and even then the insidious march of “woke” was starting. We used to have a rag mag each year which was full of crude and disgusting jokes. We all loved it. The 1981 offering had been sanitised to the state where there was nothing funny at all. As an engineering student we had, however, our own publication: LEWD (Leeds Engineers Weekly Dispatch). It maintained a level of smut and filth throughout my time there. Brilliant. If you didn’t like it, you didn’t buy it. It’s that simple. Fight the good fight!

[@kathrynm9927]

Absolutely brilliant. A measured highly intelligent exceptionally articulated voice of reason. He's too young to be my dad, but my dad got to 8th gr. He was a timber farmer in the Redwood National Forest at 13 w/ his older bro. A Bell Diver in WWII in the Great Yellow Sea of China. A coppersmith & a ferrier. The last bear trapper on horseback in the State of CA. A Wildlife Habitat Supervisor for Region 1, 7 northern CA counties was his backyard. He was an artist. A musician. An author. A humorist and great story teller and the least racist, sexist but the most exceptional grandpa & funniest kindest man I've ever known. And he lived & taught all these principals his entire life. I still miss him. 8th grade graduate. Great show. Not a heretic in the least but I get it. 🙏🏻❤️

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you! I’m delighted you enjoy the show!

[@metgirl5429]

Please keep going don’t stop we need this to save us 🕊🙏🏻🕊

[@aligned4good]

When I was in college, I had a classmate contact me to copy my work. I said no, and asked her what was she going for? She said she was going for Nursing. I explained that I would like my nurse to think for herself and not be stumped by a challenge. Let just say she never approached me again….she was pissed off!

[@Cymricus]

“aligned for good” - username checks out. good on you for being possibly the only person to push back on her in her life, despite that being a difficult thing to do.

[@christinahaslam7076]

I had one also

[@kristenmarie9248]

There are stupid people in every profession, and nursing is no exception.

[@mariekatherine5238]

In high school I had a student offer me $100 to write his papers. His objective was to get into college to avoid the draft. I refused, of course. What was he going to do if he got accepted? Pay someone to do all his college work? Apparently, he’d already arranged to have his brother take the SAT exam.

[@aligned4good]

@@mariekatherine5238 Good for you for standing your ground. Some people will go through life cheating, but there will be a time where they realize that the only one who was cheated at the end is them. Acquiring knowledge is the only way to independence & freedom.

[@joemendiuk]

I live in conservative rural Alberta. Mostly descendants of pioneer homesteaders still living on and working the land. Farmers, ranchers, hunters and such around here. So a neighbor's daughter recently moved out here with her trans fiancé from Toronto. They said that it had become intolerable to live there, a woke hotbed of disfunction! So now they are promoting their same woke activism around here which may result, if effective, in making it intolerable here also! These ideologues are demented and delusional. Woke is a destructive joke!

[@kathejohnson4241]

I'm sorry. Viruses spread.

[@joemendiuk]

@@kathejohnson4241 a real pandemic!

[@francoisetabor7632]

Andrew, I predict that your channel is going to sky rocket. I love the guests you interview, plus you're a great interviewer. Cheers from 🇨🇦

[@mikefox3653]

One of the signs that someone or something has been captured is when they use the term Assigned at Birth. Absolutely destroys their credibility full stop. When someone or something points out the imbicility of the term, I know they're legit.

[@apebass2215]

I always ask them who assigned it? Did the midwife flip a coin?

[@lindsay9824]

what about birthing person instead of mother

[@apebass2215]

​@@lindsay9824 🤮

[@user-jb5my7ly5f]

@@gretaeberhardt541not to mention that the existence of intersex people actually confirms the binarism of our sex. They are intersex BECAUSE they do not fit the criteria even WHEN THEY SHOULD, and said variation is actually a medical diagnosis that translate into a bunch of health problems.

[@apebass2215]

​@@gretaeberhardt541 people born with DSDs aren't even exceptions, they're all either male or female like everyone else. Karyotypes aren't sexes.

[@A_cool.person]

Brilliant 👏 well done guys! So important to speak out about the absolute madness that's happening at the moment!

[@annebaugh2835]

I’m seeing “gender assigned at birth” used in all kinds of places, on-line application forms and many mainstream places. If it’s possible to back out and end affiliation with whatever organization is asking I do it, but it’s becoming harder and harder to refuse.

[@ELee-zv5ud]

Just cross it out and write sex at birth & fill that in.

[@_Diana_S]

@@ELee-zv5ud Or simply "Sex", it is not that sex changes as you go ).

[@Currer.Ellis.Action]

They even ask pregnant woman what they were "assigned at birth". Can't cross it out as it's online forms.

[@amyb.6368]

I always do "Prefer not to Answer" on those. Because I prefer not to answer such an inane question. I got boobs, WHAT DO YOU THINK.

[@DiamondLil]

I have always seen a "decline to state" option so far.

[@jaymacintyre1777]

"Terrifying" is not too strong a word for what is going on. This is a great discussion. Hard to hear and downright depressing. You guys do a great service by openly talking about this.

[@Icy24blue]

More people need to go back and read 1984 and Fahrenheit 451

[@Deepbluesky805]

And Brave New World

[@christopherharris6145]

Add Brave New World to your list.

[@jazzochannel]

why do i need to go back though? can't we just read it now? or go ahead and read it?

[@Icy24blue]

@@jazzochannel lol I only said that because I bet some people have read those books many years ago so they should go back and read it again. Hope that helps explain what I meant 😊

[@user-jm8ig9sw5w]

And watch "they live". 👍

[@lyndadietrich8471]

My grandson studies at very good University in Eastern Canada. In 1st year he offered an opinion on a particular idea. He was shot down by his woke classmates and professor. And felt ridiculed. He vowed to not give his opinion on anything again through the rest of his uni days. He graduates in about 6 weeks and remained true to himself and did not offer anymore opinions.so sad that in an institute that should be a place for debate and honest sharing of ideas it was quashed. So what actually was he able to learn at this place of learning. ?

[@rogerdodger1790]

He isn't there to learn he's there to be indoctrinated

[@coreyscott9590]

I spent time and money at a similarly "good university in Eastern Canada". Aside from a huge debt, what has your grandson got now?

[@spaceranger7683]

I didn't go to a university until my late 20's, after I'd spent those years in the workforce first. While I hated feeling "behind everyone," and I didn't get the stereotypical college experience, I also didn't come out of there indoctrinated into bizarre ways of thinking about the world. Maybe society has reached the point where 19 is too young for kids' bullshit detectors to have developed and they need to start later in life?

[@janeproctor5542]

Now they are fully contaminated with bs before university. They have to prove it to get into the damn places.

[@kristenmarie9248]

Absolutely! I know young people who went off to college, and became totally radicalized Aholes. They are now estranged from their families, and friends.

[@ghostdog4330]

It cracks me up everytime Peter talks about those papers he made. Absolute quality!

[@fifidownunda]

The fact that "academia" accepted a fake paper plagiarising Mein Kampf without realising what they'd done is effing hilarious!

[@marina.chayka]

It's terrifying actually.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

I have taught research methods for over a decade. There’s no reason for plagiarism. Scholarly writing is mostly quoting other scholars. It makes no sense to look up a reference, use it, and skip proper attribution. I use spreadsheets to keep track of references and images, etc.

[@liberality]

It makes sense if you have no ideas of your own, but need to pretend to have original ideas.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

@@liberality This is either a BOT or you are responding to someone else.

[@aodhanofailain]

And if anyone is not keen on spreadsheets, there are now several reference management software packages on the market.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

@@aodhanofailain I used end note which is fine, but end note does not handle approvals and licensing. Each publisher has different processes for getting references approved. Images are an entirely different thing. Some want hundreds or thousands of dollars for a single image. I excluded some images due to costs and then used verbal descriptions of the concept. I’ve recently written a book and hired an assistant to work all of these approvals. While you are writing you’ll get responses back from all of these publishers. Many take 3 months or more.

[@liberality]

@@jamesdellaneve9005 I would agree that there is no 'good' reason or excuse for plagiarism. However, power-seeking, cheating individuals also have their own reasoning, which is that the ends justify the means. Imagine you were one of those people and had so little respect for education that you were willing to rely on plagiarism. You would also need the confidence that plagiarism works and that you would not be punished for it, which suggests previous experience of plagiarism, possibly all the way back to high school. P.s. I am not a bot.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

I feel like people underestimate how much money you can make in various trades. Especially once you get good at it, establish connections, build up your inventory of tools, and get a reputation for excellence

[@priscillamanthey9861]

Bravo so right. Power to your elbows

[@BlowinFree]

Then get a team of men working for you

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

However it must be tempered against the fact that there is a shorter 'shelf-life' in many cases. Much like professional sports, where insane (literally...) amounts are earned on a per-month or per-year basis, but 'careers' can be over by mid-20's or at best, early 40s in most physical sports - it's not wholly different in trades. You do see shopkeepers, lawyers, accountants (presidents..?) in their 70's, but not many roofers, gas fitters, mechanics, as the activities take a toll too. So the increased money is necessary as it has to last a longer time in retirement quite often.

[@BlowinFree]

@@OsellaSquadraCorse absolutely my friend has spent 30 years on building sites and at 50 he is now paying the price. His body is wrecked

[@davidjohnbonnett]

"Nothing is more dangerous than a smart person gone stupid" - Homer

[@johnking6067]

absolutely love the content that PB is putting out these days, this man is the epitome of common sense, if every professor was like him then university would be passing out intelligent, informed sensible adults instead of cry baby woke safe space seekers.

[@joce11]

I'm pretty sure prior to the late 1990s most people going to university would have been taught by people like PB. When I was at university debate was key and encouraged by lecturers but sadly not anymore.

[@samuelcraig]

I honestly fear for the uk. the scariest thing (amongst others) is that the "wokeness'' has resulted in a situation where we are no longer able to question or criticise or engage in critical thinking out of fear of being called something (that usually ends in phobia or *ism). This has been perpetuated by institutions that are so fearful of the label or by media and politicians that stoke up hatred. We will likely end up like Canada that introduced laws that make it illegal to engage in hate speech, but what are the parameters? If I disagree with something or someone and they automatically label me a racist am I then to be imprisoned for hate speech? How can we police something that is subjective??

[@corystarkiller]

KZbin kept recommending your channel to me, I can see why. You've managed to interview some very smart people, in only 3 months. Dr Boghossian's interview was excellent. Great job on creating this channel.

[@mustang607]

Woke marched through the institutions years ago, but their tactics were so covert, so uncivil, so confusing, so devious, so merciless, and so morally superior feeling, that most could not believe this collectivist cult was what a rising number of people were saying it was, and said it would do.

[@cathywasserman4571]

Your show keeps getting better and better, thank you for your devotion to it and truth. Moreover, the nuance you are able to hold and share is incredibly important as is how you hold your own words to a high standard and acknowledge where you may be incorrrect, much gratitude!

[@helenkane8594]

Glad Peter mentioned Glenn Loury, Carol Swain and Roland Fryer ❤ all great thinkers and Roland Fryer is so funny in the Bari Weiss interview

[@djquinn11]

“Never attribute to malice that which can be readily attributed to stupidity.” Hanlon’s Razor

[@kristenmarie9248]

Screenshot taken. 👍💯

[@coreyscott9590]

Here endeth the lesson! :)

[@joanofirk6216]

Andrew, I just want to tell you that I appreciate how you don't confine yourself to a specific perspective, when you bring us information about the world. This episode is incredibly important, but I also enjoy your other channels. Good for you, for exploring so many aspects of what's really going on in the world, and for sharing it with us. Cheers!

[@McNoiseboy]

This interview could have been twice as long and it still wouldn't be enough. Great stuff! Encore!!

[@char-leewiebe7199]

"A lot of Smart People belie stupid things" - Peter Boghossian I agree, just look at how many people have been had by the Cult of Scientology!!

[@jenniferbailey5914]

Religion = cult. Brainwashing can happen to smart and dumb people.

[@DieFlabbergast]

Just look at how many people have been had over the past couple of thousand years by crazy cults like Christianity and Islam. There is no end to the nonsense that people will believe because they desperately WANT to believe, and because they desperately WANT to belong to the group, who all believe, or, at least, say they believe.

[@DrDeuteron]

I read that as the cult of seismology. I mean those geophysicists, all worshiping L Ron Richter.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@DrDeuteron hahaha

[@marysalluce9685]

I think the woke industry career track is much more about ambition (money and power) than being perceived as a good person, but that's cool too and makes for a sexier social life. Most of the beneficiaries are not from lower class/poverty.

[@flamechick6]

It's a runaway train straight to h e l l and I don't know how I made it off it alive 😅🤷‍♀️ I've found peace within and the only thing that I see to do is work on myself, raise our children to, and hope others do the same..

[@steevoh7186]

that's all we can do ultimately

[@user-yc9ib2he7l]

I am thinking of J Peterson, it all comes down to liying. Lies begets more lies and in the end it all falls apart

[@coreyscott9590]

Amen. I abandoned a PhD and teaching in Canada largely due to this looniness. It is a cult of the lazy, deceptive and demented.

[@robh8024]

It makes me feel hopeful to see that common sense still exists. Great discussion guys!

[@andrewmorton3344]

That last argument is so true. If you aren't allowed to say it then sooner or later you will not be able to think it. At some point you will know something is wrong but have that wrongness clouded by inarticulacy, some time after that all thought on the specifics will be impossible.

[@seanguzy9601]

Which causes PTSD, trauma bonding and lastly it will create mental illness. OBVIOUSLY.

[@kristenmarie9248]

​@@seanguzy9601🎯💯 It's a psychological operation on the masses.

[@kristenmarie9248]

​@@seanguzy9601And, you're on your own to retain your mental health because the field of psychology is totally compromised, and weaponized.

[@kristenmarie9248]

And, enter big pharma to save the day. 🚩

[@amialal4510]

Brilliant conversation, very enjoyable! Thank you!

[@delishme2]

Absolutely frightening. Great Podcast, thank you for sounding the alarm bells and articulating the truth of what many of us have suspected for some time.

[@reinemarais4392]

Thank you, Andrew and Peter. That was fascinating.

[@slappy8941]

I'm nearly 60, and this is been going on my whole life, but people act like they just now noticed. 😂😂😂

[@drchrisbartlett]

As someone who always comes out left of Jeremy Corbyn on political compass (🤷‍♂️) this tearing down of woke culture is so important - it is ruining society and individuals. Huge fans of both of you, this one was a BANGER.

[@Fidelio116]

The left is the scvm of the earth. And all results of it leads to this.

[@DutchJoan]

I know these conversations need to be had, but gosh, it freaks me out.

[@pandakicker1]

Try attending some university courses. You’ll get a healthy dose of struggle after struggle after struggle. Yes, I do mean communist struggle sessions. That’s all it was unless the professor was over 50. The one who was just a year older than me (he was 27 when i was 26) was the absolute worst. His entire course was literally to turn us into activists and to grade us on literal activist activity. It was a rhetoric class and he only ever focused on marxist rhetoric and forced us to do an entire semester project on local activism where we had to actually go out and do the activism in order to get a grade. I’ll never stop being disgusted with him going and bragging to the librarian behind me that he is certified in Critical Pedagogy. Go look that crap up. Have a bucket nearby for you to vomit into.

[@AndyJarman]

It's being taught to children in schools, it's being followed and is compulsory in all government departments and publicly listed companies.

[@MackerelCat]

I really enjoy Peter boghossians talks. Great guest.

[@michaelstanwick9690]

Gold's reference to "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" in Fantasia is bang on target. That is precisely an illustration of the mechanism and how it originates.

[@BlowinFree]

I like Andrew a lot however this analogy has been used before

[@michaelstanwick9690]

@@BlowinFree Still good tho.😉

[@BlowinFree]

@@michaelstanwick9690 💯

[@nigelgregory569]

One of your best interviews yet....not many thinkers clearer than Boghossian these days.

[@brek5]

Plagiarizing the acknolwedgements section is the most insane thing about that case. I've proofread hundreds of theses, and that's the most personal section, haha, the one area where you can kind of "be yourself" and put a little emotion into a paper. But the other weird thing is that the advisors didn't mention the lifted parts early on, just like, "That sounds a lot like X's iea. You sure you don't need a citation there?" I would normally assume (from experience) that most cases would be detected by a first reader with a keen eye (or people can pay somebody like they paid me in my old job to look over it ^^).

[@sarahsaatzer7033]

Its such a relief to be able to go into meditation beyond thoughts and to feel joy in the heart and love. Beyond all the arguements discussion and intellectualism. But I love this podcast heretics

[@shelleyscloud3651]

Andrew, you’re absolutely smashing it in this channel!!! Bravo! #AmYisraelChai

[@Aemirys]

You should have Peter back again soon! Please ❤

[@JamesHawkeYouTube]

We have arrived at the natural nadir of the postmodernist thesis.

[@bethotoole6569]

This episode went by so quickly!! I could have listened for another hour!!

[@terrywilson4300]

Thanks for this conversation.

[@moragdavidson3967]

The ego has taken over honesty and truth. The whole of society is like this not just universities. I have an issue with my local council covering up their planning mistakes on phone masts and ignoring everything, and no one wants to stand up and are just covering everything up. Group think is rife and its crazy that it is in all levels of power. There is no balance of opinion, they hire their mates or people with the same way of thinking.

[@cestmoi4532]

Thank you for all this great work. Very grateful! ❤

[@marylouleeman591]

This is so deep. We are facing off now. Our country was always leaning on upright character, based on a beautiful form of govt exceeding anything that mankind had ever attempted and amazingly or not is still in motion. My particular understanding is that small business (yes, they can grow to be large) is the backbone of our society. It demands character if it wants repeat and sturdy clientele. Therefore it works to give us creativity, courage, families working together, adventure, all the good things American life offers. We CAN combat the takeover by the intellectual loonies. Grass roots!! Come on, folks. As for this piece by Andrew and Mr. Boghossian I am delighted to enjoy it.

[@greatredchicken]

"a beautiful form of government" Don't know if I should laugh or cry. Sadly, this is the problem

[@seekingishwara737]

Really well said. And yes, the US form of government approaches beauty in its sober recognition of human nature, and the checks and balances applied to contain the excesses inherent in that nature. Look at other forms and the way they fail. And look at the evidence of how this form has lifted individual freedom compared to other forms. But it was built on individuals assenting that they are _under_ God. That there is a Higher, of some kind. If that individual nature no longer holds in sufficient number, the concrete foundations will fall to quicksand, and a golden age will end. This is what we are facing now.

[@greatredchicken]

@@seekingishwara737 no, no. A nation built on genocide from its start. I know not everyone's guilty. Democratic principles weren't, aren't, and won't be exclusive to the USA. I recognize your important contribution, especially in the 18th and 19th century. But it isn't "exceptional" in the sense you make it out to be. That is the big American myth, the one which lately has turned into a global nightmare

[@seekingishwara737]

@@greatredchicken I disagree with your view but I wish you a very good day.

[@helgashouseofpain]

Peter Boghossian, you are fantastic. Thank you both for a great discussion.

[@lotteingerslev5776]

Beautiful and so important conversation.❤

[@gimmeproof]

fabulous interview. Very informative.

[@koalanectar9382]

I've noticed that politically, people very often move from left to right, but almost never from right to left. I've never heard a good explanation for this, but it seems like a good question to answer for anyone who was born a lib and dies a lib.

[@AmritBirdi]

Great guest. This podcast has very quickly become one of my faves.

[@marymorgan8728]

Thank you so much for this interview Andrew, Peter Boghossian is utterly brilliant at exposing the dangerous lies we are all expected to blindly follow as truth. I'm hopeful the backlash against (for want of a better word) woke ideology has begun and truth will triumph.

[@EvaMoritz]

Andrew your podcasts get more and more sophisticated! Well done!

[@waynebollman]

I'm 59. Did some college when I was 18-20. Not everyone there was a genius, but I distinctly remember lots of actual "thinking" going on; lots of interesting, deep, friendly debates about all kinds of things; MUCH more challenging course work regardless of your major; fewer (if any) "underwater basket weaving" classes; and compared to now, the average student spoke like a scholar. It's horrifying to see what college/university has become.

[@helenbeach5581]

Thank you both for speaking out! So many cannot, tread lightly, are frightened. You give them courage to speak and back their own speech with evidence.

[@followerofchrist198]

Excellent interview and analysis of the insanity of these so called professors

[@blueberry3168]

Absolutely brilliant episode Andrew! Love Peter’s work and passion. I agree with his advice regarding trades, and having worked in Australia as an English language teacher embedded in trade classes, I can vouch for the range of real life skills and knowledge students learn that they most definitely don’t get at university. Bravo 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤❤❤

[@halojones1153]

Peter’s series ‘Woke in Plain English’ from 2 years ago is brilliant. As is this interview. TY 🙏

[@halojones1153]

11:25 resembles a childhood game that we called 🇨🇳 whispers. I’m sure it had many more colloquial names around the world.

[@user-py6xv2er8u]

Great interview!

[@albertfromgc5599]

He just described the postmodern academics who inspired the woke movement!

[@steevoh7186]

this one's gonna be a banger

[@4468marcossi]

what does that mean?

[@steevoh7186]

@@4468marcossi going to be really good

[@lechenaultia5863]

Please keep up this vital work. Universities are ridiculously, obscenely expensive, have no freedom of speech, pass people who are functionally illiterate, deny research funding unless applicants produce a 'compliant' 'diversity statement' and provide 'safe spaces' for the usual groups but the opposite for anyone who questions the orthodoxy or is, say, older (!) If you want to study psychology, social work or other social sciences but don't buy gender identity ideology, forget it. Get a trade.

[@anniebleuey6359]

This was fabulous! I could listen to you both all day!❤️

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

Keep fighting the lunatics mate

[@Tied2getherr]

Another great episode!!

[@paulmead5832]

What an unbelievably wonderful convo, Peter and Andrew. What burnished gold!

[@brithopper]

Brilliant interview

[@rickipacaci1338]

Delighted And thank you Andrew for this conversation. It’s great that you have moved away from Scientology and Cults. What Peter has to say is intellectually stimulating and thought provoking 🙏🏻

[@Curiouscatnap]

Very, very insightful, thank you!

[@tsf637]

This was an awesome podcast! Excellent guest

[@csk4j]

Very grateful for work of the Dr and Mr Lindsey!!

[@susanmitchell4744]

I love all your interviews Andrew. Keep up the brilliant work.

[@Rainbow_with_slowfeet]

I love you both and look forward to your content. Thank you!

[@stephwalsh9158]

Another excellent episode!

[@jonasirw1]

Great interview. Shocking

[@tylerpestell]

I like that he talked about having a mechanism for error correction. If you aren’t willing to re-examine your beliefs that is how truly awful things happen and you have zealots willing to do anything.