The Terror: The Show, the Book and the History. Episode 8 Terror Camp Clear

[@dylanchouinard6141]

Definitely should do a video on the Franklin Conspiracy. Any conspiracy that involves British explorers wanting to steal Inuit magic needs to be lambasted

[@silverwol844]

yes, please!

[@OttoGrainer27]

Literally the only time I felt compelled to comment!

[@Omnicrom]

The question "Should I do a video?" Should always be answered "For the love of you, YES! PLEASE! HAIL HAGAN!"

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

Yeah I am behind that.

[@robmoore8909]

I also cast my vote in favor of that. Your Franklin video essays have been one of the few perks I've enjoyed during this trying time of social distancing.

[@mikeyfjune]

You have the best reviews/analysis of this show. Theres not alot out there about the Franklin Expedition so thanks for making these.

[@k-trainstudios1722]

I’d like the Franklin Conspiracy breakdown, love these videos keep them coming

[@laragallahue7127]

Yes to Franklin conspiracy!

[@thedorkone1516]

You should absolutely do a video on The Franklin Conspiracy.

[@mikeyfjune]

Definitely do a vid on The Franklin Conspiracy! Keep making any videos on The Franklin Expedition.

[@laragallahue7127]

I just want to say thank you for this series as it gotten me into a part of history that I doubt would never find on my own so thank youn

[@laragallahue7127]

*you*

[@DavidMacDowellBlue]

While some people find fascinating about RMS Titanic, I am drawn to the Franklin Expedition. Thank you so much for these.

[@diannebdee]

The funny part about where Fitzjames' wound was on his torso is this: On Tobias Menzies' previous show "Outlander," his character of Captain Black Jack Randall forced Jamie Fraser to use his letter stamp with his initials on to brand himself. The spot where Fitzjames' wound was is exactly where Jamie's brand was. Coinkadink?

[@matrixman124]

This is such a well researched series of analyses. When you're done, you should totally edit it together into a video essay. People will definitely watch!

[@danielallen3454]

There's not a single one of these videos that I haven't found utterly absorbing.

[@YesterdaysNews]

Since James Fitzjames dies in the next episode, and how Crozier's character ends up, I'm wondering if you can research or mention an alleged Inuit testimony I read about on TV Tropes (and have unfortunately been unable to find from a more authoritative source). Apparently, there was an account taken from a mixed-race group of Inuit from the area around Back Fish River that they were descended from three white men who came from two ships a century earlier. Supposedly, one of these men closely matches Fitzjames's description, and he is said to have started a large Inuit family and lived happily until his mid-eighties. Dunno if it's true -- again, this comes from TV Tropes -- but the Inuit have already been proven right about the cannibalism and the location of the shipwrecks, and it's nice think that at least *a few* of Franklin's men found a happy ending out of the whole sad mess.

[@ichimaru96]

I really love these vids and all the other arctic exploration ones, they're well researched and yet very easily digestible, the assumptions made also aren't insanely far fetched

[@DiamandaHagan]

Thanks! I am working on ep9 and hope to have it up next month!

[@zackp8201]

I seriously love this series (i.e. yours) it's pretty much the only thing on youtube i regularly check to see if another episode is out.

[@DiamandaHagan]

I need to get on ep9, apologies for being behind.

[@anubislover8989]

I seriously love your Terror and Franklin Expedition videos! They're always so informative and I always feel like I gain a greater appreciation for the show because of them. Keep up the amazing work!

[@rosebud10123]

I do hope you add the last two episodes to this series. It’s all very interesting and educational. It’s beyond appreciated all of the time and effort you’d placed into them.

[@anthroposlogica9379]

I hope we get another one of these soon

[@slbradey]

Really enjoy this video series. And yes please do another video on the Franklin Conspiracy!!!

[@WebertHest]

I dont know if you read the comments at all, but YES, please, more content like that. I don't really watch your other stuff anymore, but this is the second time I am watching this series.

[@springtime1838]

It's because of your videos about the Franklin Expedition and the Novel/AMC the Terror that i got the Franklin Conspiracy am just a sucker for Conspiracy Theories and i love to see your thought about that book and any other Conspiracy theories about the Franklin Expedition

[@asandwell]

The excerpt from Fitzjames' poem you show at 8:07-8:16 is actually quite funny if you ask me!

[@eddieboyky]

I love everything on your channel, but this series fascinates me the most. It's just the kind of historical nerdery that I really get into. Please do a video on the Franklin Conspiracy.

[@asandwell]

YES Diamanda, by all means *please* do a video analyzing Jeffrey Blair Latta's The Franklin Conspiracy! As I mentioned in the comments section to an earlier video, while I disagree with Latta's overall thesis, there are some points he makes which in my estimation are not so very far fetched. I wonder if you feel the same way and in any event would love to see you conduct a point-by-point examination of all of Latta's arguments. Spread over multiple videos if necessary. Goodness knows you sure seem to have an audience here :)

[@spurguvitunhuora9119]

This series was a delight to watch during last summers heatwave. So was the novel. When you spend weeks sweating through every night and day, a 800 page story where word ice is said like 900435481 times is the best possible thing. Still it was a bit of a letdown that the ending of the series didnt have the balls to stay as brutal as the novel. Looking forward for your dissection of that last episode.

[@SsnakeBite]

I'd be totally down with you making a video on The Franklin Conspiracy. You make this shit fascinating and form what you've mentioned, that sounds enjoyably crazy.

[@olivermarijuanajones1584]

Hell Yeah we want a video on the Franklin conspiracy! Anything about history is greatly appreciated, I wish this was much longer, thanks, we are not worthy...

[@Styxswimmer]

Thank you thank you. I love your episodes on the Franklin expedition

[@MultiMal3]

Totally down for a Franklin Conspiracy video.

[@rabidspace6951]

Please do a video on the Franklin Conspiracy. Also I hope you finish this series, it made me love the show even more. So I have to thank you for that.

[@harryainsworth6923]

please make more, im prepared to watch anything you make bucko

[@TheWorstThingEver]

I love this series (I mean DiamandaHagan, although I also loved the TV series). I'm reading the book now.

[@jadegecko]

2:03 yes The show's already insane, why not

[@RUfor80six]

Thanks for the upload!!!

[@asandwell]

This episode also marks the culmination of Second Master Collins' descent into madness what with him taking the opioids and wandering off while Crozier prepares to execute Hickey and Tozer only for the tuunbaq to come along. Though he was a rather flat character in the book with almost no air time, Collins' portrayal in the TV series is in keeping with how he's depicted in other novels such as "North with Franklin: The Lost Journals of James Fitzjames" and a German graphic novel about the expedition called "Im Eisland". In both of those works, as in the TV show, Collins is shown as being introverted and aloof and seemingly the first person on the Franklin expedition to succumb to melancholy and despair. That can't all be a coincidence. Diamanda, do you know of any existing records as to Collins' personality?

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

I love these vids so much!!

[@birbtron]

franklin conspiracy video! franklin conspiracy video! although for real i'm LOVING your terror/arctic exploration videos, keep up the great work! :D

[@DiamandaHagan]

Thanks :). I need to get the next one finished!

[@noahbanks5876]

great videos keep them coming.

[@thenumbah1birdman]

Can you review the Broken Lands and compare it to The Terror in a future video?

[@operationcreation5583]

I found it strange why in they depict the Royal Marines as part of this mutiny when one of the main reasons they were brought aboard the ship was to quell mutinies.

[@asandwell]

Irony.

[@doorsfan48]

Franklin conspiracy video would be cool

[@thenumbah1birdman]

5:23 pretty sure that's Irving

[@BloodrealmX]

Videos on conspiracy theory nuts would be fantastic!

[@jonathanwebster7091]

Baron Gambier wasn't Fitzjames' father: his father was the son of Vice-Admiral James Gambier who was the uncle (brother of his father) of Baron Gambier.

[@skvader4187]

I just want to say another historical inaccuracy, the crew are using flintlock muskets but the 1842 pattern cap lock musket, and also in some scenes the flint lock woulc not likely fire because of the snow and mist, anyways great review keep it up

[@Pavelof12]

I thought you stopped doing em thank fuck you didn’t I binged watched your whole playlist

[@Rocketboy1313]

Please do that video on the conspiracy theory. I am a sucker for your history videos.

[@ginoc44]

You got the wrong Gambier there. Fitzjames was the son of Sir James Gambier who was a cousin to Admiral Lord Gambier (also a James).

[@jooddart9736]

Ok so this just happened to Penny Dreadful City of Angels but what did you think of the second season?

[@mkaiww]

yes

[@kaelang12]

irving, not farr, was scalped

[@kassidymiller3223]

Yay another one!

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

10:40 Rockets aboard? Yes sir. ...for emergency and beyond line-of-sight maritime signalling...devices of different colors

[@asandwell]

In a similar vein, I also get the impression that Lieutenant George Hodgson's portrayal is inaccurate. In the show, beginning more or less with the previous episode--Horrible From Supper--and continuing in earnest here, Hodgson emerges as a wishy-washy doormat who is easily manipulated by Hickey. He reminds me of Hollum in Master and Commander, which I am sure you are familiar with Miss DiamandaHagan. We know that in real life Lt. Hodgson fought some pirates on the Malaya peninsula just two years before joining the HMS Terror for the Franklin expedition in addition to having fought in the Opium War in China alongside Fitzjames, Des Voeux and others who would later join the expedition. In order for Hodgson to have made it through those conflicts and still remained steadily employed by the Royal Navy, and move up the ranks no less, he must have had a steelier disposition than what is depicted on the tv series it seems to me.

[@ekoostic]

the show does this really subtle bit where goodsir is alone at the cairn early on and looks to where gore has started off, and it's the shot of crozier and fitzjames leaving the same cairn in this episode. it doesn't really have any narrative meaning and is just a post-production flourish - and as far as i can recall has no correspondence to the novel. but when u see it, it hits. the disaster already happened, they've already been dead for centuries. the only story they can give us now is this pile of rocks in a desolate wilderness.

[@sholem_bond]

Hot take maybe, but it seems like the book "The Terror" is based on was kind of some Francis Crozier-as-Gary Stu fanfiction, between Lady Silence apparently being intended to marry him in the book, and his superior Franklin in the show being depicted as an incompetent person who's prejudiced against his Irish heritage and class, and then dies early and horribly/violently, versus just... probably a nuanced person who was wrong about some key survival decisions on this expedition. It seems a little cartoonish at points. (I know the joke is Franklin having to eat his boots to survive in the arctic before, but... he did survive, tho. If he was that bad at this, he would have died then.) Anyway, I liked the show, I just thought a lot of the non-supernatural stuff the author added sounded pretty silly, and like he was just trying to make Crozier look even more badass (which he didn't really need to do, because Crozier already was a cool historical figure?). I haven't read the book itself yet, so if I'm getting it wrong, sorry Author. (Edited because I just tend to proofread, edit, and rephrase a bunch of stuff after I hit "post/submit" a lot of the time.)

[@asandwell]

I think it's worth mentioning that this is the point in the series--if I remembers correctly--when sub-lieutenant Charles Des Voeux of the Erebus starts showing signs of loyalty to Hickey and his gang which differs both from his portrayal in the book, where he remains loyal to Crozier and Fitzjames, and most likely real life. There are only a few fragmentary scraps of evidence as to Des Voeux's personality and character but from those few scraps it seems very unlikely that he was the snarky, rude and ultimately treacherous jerkass he is in the show. Instead, he was cheery, outgoing and amiable, at least as described by Fitzjames plus one or two other officers who served with him before he joined the Franklin expedition. His depiction in the novel is much more in keeping with what he was probably like and served the story just fine. Why that was changed for the series is lost on me.

[@jamesbevan9939]

So... it's been two years since the revelations about JW came to light. Any plans to take down the videos he was in?

[@meanmememachine4395]

Who jw?

[@Motorsportsgeek]

Gay? Couple? He's clearly a father figure.. How the hell do you see any other relationship is beyond me.

[@DiamandaHagan]

Nah, they're couple in the show. And the book the show was based on.

[@cartoonkelly7924]

Conspiracy video! Conspiracy video! Debunk that shit!