The Terror: The Show, the Book and the History. Episode10 We are Gone

[@thenumbah1birdman]

5:30 is Lt. Hodgson-Fairholme led the rescue party in Ep3 that gets killed by the monster.

[@MsSarahJosephine]

Sudden corpse warning at 8:31 to 8:38 - I almost punched my laptop screen in. Also its obvious the real reason the Tuunbaq died is because Blankey's soul was beating it up from the inside

[@anubislover8989]

Headcanon accepted!

[@wormswithteeth]

I've seen it so much now he's like a friend

[@nubiancaynes2128]

Yup… blunt force trauma to stomach tissue.

[@Phoebe5448]

Jopson is best boi. So loyal to Crozier, right to the end. A truly caring and compassionate man. He cared for him like his sick mother. They did my boy dirty. Still mad even though he's been dead for over 100 years. I can only hope all the men that died on that ill fated voyage are somewhere safe now... 😥

[@DiamandaHagan]

Well, Goodsir's safe near where they filmed Thor the Dark World's finale, so that's something a least.

[@asandwell]

I do appreciate how in the last half or so of this episode, after Crozier recovers from his coma in Lady Silence's care, the landscape actually does look semi-realistic, with ice and snow on the ground and the sky being somewhat overcast and/or the sun low. Now if only the same could be said of *all* the exterior scenes in the last four episodes!

[@AstheCrowTries]

Yesssss, my partner and I have been eagerly awaiting this! We've fallen down the rabbit hole hard and read a bunch of interviews with the showrunners. Apparently the Inuk child with Crozier at the end was intentionally cast as a pre-teen so people wouldn't think they were his. The idea was that he was trusted enough by the group to babysit (and maybe teach them how to hunt) but not comfortable enough with his exile to take a wife and have kids of his own. And I really like this about the show vs. the book, that there's separation between the White characters and the Inuit. In the end, Crozier's just along for their ride.

[@DiamandaHagan]

I just figured he'd been there for years and years!

[@MyHeartsBeat]

Thanks for the series. I really loved this show and it hurt so much when Jopson died.

[@noneed4me2n7]

I love this series you do. You bring such an intelligent dry wit with enough referential humor that unless your familiar with a ton of books, films, and music you just won’t get. Thanks again for the content.

[@thenumbah1birdman]

8:30-the ship the body was found on was 'Erebus'. The inuk who gave this testimony, Putoorahk, stated that it had sunk off of "Utjulik", which is the area west to Adelaide peninsula where 'Erebus' was found.. The ship the men at Washington Bay had come from was probably 'Terror'.

[@matrixman124]

This was such a good series from you. A wonderful blend of fiction and the history behind it

[@matthewdavies6470]

seconded, i keep rewatching this series, its so intresting

[@Phoebe5448]

@@matthewdavies6470 Me three! I was hooked all the way!! Such a brilliant blend of humour, storytelling, and real history! Kudos, Diamanda!!

[@JHjh88]

I've been dying (no pun intended) to see this short series! So excited to watch Diamanda break it down. 🖤 From Australia

[@DiamandaHagan]

Aww thanks :)

[@SorrySod]

“InfoWars for Franklin stuff” Well, I’m gonna have to check that out; mix my obsessions with Knowledge Fight and the High Arctic into one! I’ve enjoyed these videos immensely; the context and information is so fascinating. And also makes me want to search out more information. There can never be enough.

[@Howtragicforyou]

My favourite weird bit from the terror is that Dan managed to correctly guess which ship would end up safely in a bay. Grant it he was wrong about Erebus. The fact it is in terror bay is just also incredible. As is that the Inuit name for where the Erebus was found translates to “boat place”. What a strange historical event.

[@martiosullivan6708]

I waited for this episode for months just for you to talk about the chains on Edwards face....so I basically, cuz I was waiting, read online about that discovery and it was said by the Inuit who was a child when her and her mom found at "the tent place" not "starvation cove" but either way it is known that the chains were set up and actually would pull the man's head up when one pulled the end of the chain cuz it wasn't just on his face it was also connected to the tent ....it's my favorite scary image in all the stories of the Franklin expedition

[@Nepenthe1849]

Ok, I’m glad my confusion is legit. Thank you.

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

This was an excellent run, that deserves way more views. I learned so much from watching this. You have both taught me a lot about the Franklin Expedition and highlighted just how much we still don't know and probably never will. I found that description of being a local and finding the ship, huge, alien, inexplicable and full of nothing but incomprehensible objects and the dead very compelling. As you say, it's the opening of Alien but with no sci-fi involvement, just what happens when 2 very different cultures with different kinds of technology & vehicles end up in the same area. Because to them building a boat that large must have seemed like utter madness. The sheer amount of materials needed to do it... Also I am really looking forward to you handling some insane Franklin Conspiracy Theories.

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

One of the things i find so interesting about this Expedition is how much it ties into other imporant things in history The Terror and Erebus helped inspire the Star Spangled Banner, the American National Anthem "And Bombs Bursting In Air" were mortar rounds fired specifically by the Terror Charles Dickens was a good friend of Sir John Francis's wife Then you have the recovery of the Resolute, which the US did to help US british relations and the creation of the Resolute Desk And so much more Its so interesting how its almost a nexus of history, so many things connect to this lost expedition. Its interesting. Edit: removed small piece of info i misremembered

[@DiamandaHagan]

It's a bit silly but Star Trek Beyond is a giant accidental reference. The USS Franklin, captained by a former military guy goes off exploring and gets trapped and the surviving crew turn to consuming other beings to survive.

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

@@DiamandaHagan i did see your little video on it lol

[@asandwell]

Not to nitpick but only the Terror was involved in the bombing of America during the War of 1812. The Erebus wasn't even built until 1826. Other than that, all excellent points!

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

@@asandwell ah my bad. Guess i either misremembered it as both or where i read it was wrong

[@mikeyfjune]

The writers behind season 1 should make a season 3 about the Lost colony of Roanoke.

[@theotherghostgirl337]

I love hearing the differences between historical fiction and the history it’s based on

[@marcellacerda4734]

I loved this series of your videos! Thank you for making them, Mistress!

[@asandwell]

The more I think about it, the more likely I think it is that Crozier went down with his ship as Diamanda implies. As stated earlier, he knew the HMS Terror from having captained her in Antarctica and as Dan Simmons writes in the novel, echoing Scott Cookman's remarks in his nonfiction work on the expedition, Iceblink, the Terror was in all likelihood the true love of his life. As long as there was any possibility in Crozier's mind of him sailing her out of the Arctic and bringing her home, he would never have left his "mother, wife, bride and whore." True to his calling as a master mariner, he may very well have breathed his last at her helm or in his cabin. And if he was the last man standing on her decks, leaving no one to inter him, then he could well have been the deceased specimen the natives ran across.

[@Nystariii]

Seeing 1:46 I really feel like Mr Hinds should have been playing Visconte instead of Franklin, all of the magnificent chemistry and history with Mr Menzies aside. When I first found this series I had only seen the show, and binge-watched it, and then the show again. I just finished reading the book about two weeks ago. Now I have an excuse to rewatch your series now that it is completed. Thank you for making this!

[@ZombiiChix]

Honestly it's my favorite show ever made lol thanks for posting about the ending! I really love this show, but i also wish it could have been a multiseasoned too! Because i want morrrree. Fan art is scarce too v.v And honestly Jopson and Blanky are probably my two favorite characters lol i just adore them

[@Mink-yu8nu]

These videos are so beautifully put together. And I do love a Knightmare reference! Oooh! Nasty!

[@zimattack9994]

This is going to be good keep up the great work

[@jessaminehaak8253]

Just watched all of the arctic history playlist in one go and I loved the whole thing! Can't wait for the future video on the conspiracy! Thank you for doing these :)

[@DiamandaHagan]

Thanks! Next will be the AC Andree attempt to conquer the North Pole in a balloon (guess how that ends!) but the Franklin Conspiracy is coming lol.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Goodsir making sure the cannibals die if they eat him is probably the most badass thing a meek intellectual could have done. Taking ultimate revenge the smart way. Btw not sure how familiar you are with RPGs, but Pathfinder basically introduced the Tunbaaq into the game, but called something else - though theirs is 8-legged and has a super long neck.

[@murrayjohnson5217]

Love your Franklin videos! This was definitely worth the wait. Bravo!

[@MadHatter42]

I agree that a bare-bones, slow-and-deadly retelling of the story, sticking to the facts as we have them, would be amazing. The weakest part of the series, to me, was Hickey, who is so cartoonishly evil that he comes across as more annoying than engaging. While I enjoyed the supernatural aspects of the story in their own right, I can't help but feel that Hickey's God complex could really only exist alongside the giant, mythic figure of the monster itself. It's mystery helped to justify Hickey's delusions, both to himself and to the men who followed him. I think that a story like this doesn't need a bad guy, that the cold, uncompromising threat of the Arctic itself is threat enough, and that Hickey's grappling for dominance over the Tuunbaq was a distraction from the far more interesting drama of simple human survival.

[@asandwell]

Absolutely fabulous review of the series Miss Hagan. My only gripe is that I wish you got them out quicker! I do agree with your assessment of Crozier remaining on the Terror. Of all the officers on the expedition, he was the one who had been with his respective ship the longest, having spent four years captaining her in Antarctica, although a smaller number of enlisted men had also served on the two vessels on the prior voyage. For that reason, I suspect that if any of the men who had served on the Terror with Crozier on the Ross/Antarctic expedition were still alive and well in the summer of 1848--such as Johnson the bosun's mate, Jopson the steward, Luke Smith the sailor/stoker or Diggle the cook--they joined the skeleton crew that re-boarded the ship for the fourth winter and piloted her south. And I also love your theory on the dead large man with the long, rat-like teeth discovered by the Inuit on one of the ships being Crozier dead in his cabin. I don't know if this factored into your theorizing, but one clue that aids in narrowing down the identity of the man is the fact that he was a big guy who took four Inuit just to lift him up. (Presumably they were curious to see if there was anything of value under his form or under his coat.) Crozier was a pudgy bloke like Franklin.

[@DiamandaHagan]

I could have got it out quicker but I have a tendency to agonise over these videos and second guess myself because I don't want to get stuff wrong. And then I always get a couple of tiny things wring anyway lol. Jopson was with Crozier in Antarctica? I wondered about that and once spent some hours trying to find a muster for that voyage. The 4 people needed to move the body thing really aids the view that it's some weird supernatural thing. Like, how large could the body really be? But it could partly be down to the body being in a corner and hard to move or frozen to the bedding. An innocent detail that makes it sound more impressive than it might have been. Anyway, v glad you enjoyed the video. I've enjoyed your comments and hope you enjoy my next history video about SA Andree!

[@asandwell]

@@DiamandaHagan Jopson most certainly served with Crozier on the Antarctic voyage. It's mentioned in the tv series by Jopson himself when Crozier falls ill and you yourself alluded to it when you stated how, in preparation for the Franklin expedition, Crozier was given a say only in choosing his manservant for the voyage!

[@DiamandaHagan]

@@asandwell Forgot the mention in the show, I wasn't sure if Crozier re-chose Jopson or if he was a new hire.

[@asandwell]

@@DiamandaHagan "The 4 people needed to move the body thing really aids the view that it's some weird supernatural thing. Like, how large could the body really be?" Jeffrey Blair Latta sure feels the same way in The Franklin Conspiracy, and I am sure you can guess how the story fits into his narrative! I look forward to your analysis of that book! I've in fact got my copy right here on my desk next to my laptop as I type this!

[@8523wsxc]

6:56 "Jesus Wept!"

[@thepoolforfools2077]

These were awesome man, thanks so much and great job! I couldn't agree more about wanting a Franklin Expedition series without supernatural elements.

[@robmoore8909]

Yes! Franklin Conspiracy video! I'm looking forward to it very much. Many thanks, mistress

[@ivanlukomskiy]

To me this series was maybe even better than the original one. Thanks for an amazing content!

[@dobb7101]

These videos are always so great! Thanks!

[@jakevelasco4072]

I was kinda confused as to what happened to lady silence in this last episode. From what I understand is that she simply vanished after Crozier woke up from his injuries and was taken to the nearest Inuit camp. I think what she did, and this is my personal head canon, but not only she simply walked away and accepted her fate out in the wilderness, but she openly admitted to her actions to the Inuit camp. I think this because of the bear creature that had pretty much divided and destroyed the Arctic expedition crew based on a misunderstanding. If that bear thing was an actual tupilaq from Inuit mythology, the only way to cease its existence was to publicly confess its creation, because the theme of the creature was secrecy, which was not only a violation of Inuit culture, but also a source of power, important for crushing the enemy of the summoner. Sure the bear thing was choked by chains, but if it can come back it would come back to cause more destruction. So if lady silence told the camp leader of this monster, that would have cease the monsters activity. At the same time, the village would of course vanish her for this crime, so perhaps she’s just a lone wanderer now.

[@Courier-Six]

The best way to spend my morning 15 minute smoke break.

[@pendremacherald6758]

I think it’s appropriate that Crozier is the last alive. Crozier was one of the last two men alive, and he made it all the way to Baker Lake. One other man accompanied him, but, without a photo to help remember his appearance by, we do not know who this second man is.

[@kassidymiller3223]

I really enjoyed this review! Also I miss the one of the Passion. My grandmother watched it a couple of weeks ago and I instantly thought of it.

[@Rocketboy1313]

Excellent work. I love your history content.

[@Courier-Six]

@8:10 from the Inuit point of view, that sounds like the 18th century beginning to The Thing.

[@asandwell]

Not sure if this was covered by you in an earlier video Diamanda, one of the Inuit reports of Crozier and the last few Franklin survivors might in fact refer to the first excursion Rae took into the Arctic. This was in 1846 and '47, and Rae was traveling with less than half a dozen others to survey the east coast of Boothia. They spent the winter with some natives before returning to the Hudson Bay Company outpost from which they set out. The story of Crozier and two or three others still being alive as late as 1851-52, spending a winter with some natives, and then leaving to resume their trek out could very well be a garbled recollection of this expedition of Rae's instead. It seems especially plausible given that the 'Aglooka' said after overwintering with the Inuit that he and his men were now heading back home. If these were the last of Franklin's men, and had failed to be rescued after five or six years, then why would they think they would be going home *now* ? But a small group of men trekking out from an HBC outpost, knowing the way back, and with enough provisions to get back, would certainly be likely to announce after their time with this party that they were now returning from whence they came.

[@MrChickennugget360]

interesting theory.

[@shmeeproductions8382]

I’ve waited so long for this

[@Mobysimo]

This was a great series I hope you cover that goofy sounding book you described a few episodes ago

[@strangebot8492]

It's because of your content that I became so interested in polar expeditions (Especially the failed ones, of which there are many.) I'm curious if you're gonna do anything on the second season of this show, since it's about something completely different. I never watched it.

[@DiamandaHagan]

I would if I knew more about the subject matter. I watched it and thought it as okay but it's really not my area of expertise. if someone who knows their stuff did a similar video series I'd be v interested in seeing it though.

[@all_the_bad_news5614]

5:40 pretty sure that is Lt. Hodges not Fairholme but great great great review

[@matthewflynn5458]

I thought the reason the chains were attached was because of the cold. They stuck to his face because of the cold. The special effects might be why it looks more like he was pierced.

[@dapeach06]

Yasssss been waiting for this!

[@3digitsonthebac156]

Sorry to say it my guy, but the dude at 5:38 talking about communion isn’t Fairholme, it’s Hodgeson. Fairholme was the guy who lead the sledge party after Sir John died and was found with his head and several other heads chopped off in episode 7.

[@DiamandaHagan]

Always happy to be corrected!

[@marikarybak7490]

Finally! I really enjoyed the series.

[@tucmakukla]

From the inuit testimonies I thought the general consensus was tha the ship with the bosy on board (and sunk due to hole cut by inuits) was the Erebus? (both location and shallow water descriptions)?

[@Comrade_Jason]

I like to think the officer with the chains in his face was elected leader/God and went full on Xerxes.

[@laragallahue7127]

Great video and series

[@ComradeAussie]

The Audio Drama the mistress mentions is up on YT, put there just a day ago, spoopy timing

[@DiamandaHagan]

That's v cool! Though to be fair I was just using it as a visualisation. But I suggest everyone check it out!

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

I believe the tunnbaq death wasn’t caused by swallowing hickey but in fact lt blankey was still partially alive swallowed whole and was rolling around the beasts stomach and stabbing with his forks causing internal bleeding

[@GallowglassVT]

Ah, for just one time, I would take the Northwest Passage...

[@Hellsinger89]

Was that a reference to Knightmare!? I am not British so haven't seen it, but Jim Sterling has made references to it before.

[@DiamandaHagan]

Indeed it was. It was a great show.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Do you plan on reviewing the second season/story? I watched it to the end but I wish I could get that time back... It was really drawn out and boring. When Teen Wolf did a better representation of the japanese-american internment camps than a serious drama show... well you know there is something wrong with the writing. (And that show had a nagitsune haunting the camp).

[@teddyn240]

They should have make the terror season 2 about the Aleutian island campaign during WW2. Now I get that the producer was at an internment camp during the war but if he wanted a show about that piece of history do it about something else like the Supreme Court case on the matter.

[@ichimaru96]

I think they should have stuck with snowy horror for season 2 and given us something based on the dyatlov pass incident, cause there's enough weirdness in that incident that they could have supernatural-ed it up a bit and made a decent show

[@asandwell]

I also share with Diamanda the desire to see a movie about the Franklin expedition without any supernatural elements. Hugh Bonneville would be my choice to play Franklin, with either Russell Crowe or Paul Bettany as Crozier. Stephen Campbell Moore would be my choice to play Fitzjames.

[@DiamandaHagan]

Bonneville looks a bit more like Crozier!

[@jamierippingale741]

Isn’t it hodgson not fairholme

[@ZoidFile]

I love you history content.

[@lexp6099]

I was disappointed with the series overall (your proposal sounds AMAZING and I wish it would be made) and found your videos to get a better understanding of the context. I love that your summaries are concise, but also leave room for being very informative and humorous! Thanks for putting these together. I'd heard for a while that The Terror was a good series, but didn't know initially that it was based on a book (and loosely on actual events) by Dan Simmons. I'm a fan of his Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion, though the quality drop in Endymion is insane. He seems to have become(?) a Weird Old Conservative over time, which is a sadly common phenomenon. By the sound of it the book would've been as disappointing as Endymion. I was so afraid the show was going to send Crozier off to search for and marry Silna; extremely happy it didn't go down that tired, traditional gender roles route; then disappointed again when I learned the book does. Anyway, thanks again for not only entertaining and informing me, but also helping me avoid a terrible read.

[@DiamandaHagan]

If you want to check out a more eccentric take on much of the same stuff check out my vdeo about the Doctor Who/ Franklin Expedition story, it's basically The Terror (but predates t by several years). The story is an audio and on KZbin.

[@asandwell]

I'm confused on one point Diamanda: how do we know the Terror was the ship visited by the Inuit? Also, if they had to knock a hole in the side to climb aboard, then why hasn't such an opening been found--to my knowledge--in the hull of either ship?

[@DiamandaHagan]

The inuit story is about visiting a ship and finding a body inside. They said they broke a hole in the side to get onboard and it sank when the ice thawed. They didn't know which ship it was but Erebus being heavily damaged before sinking means it's probably Terror, and the crewmen miming the violent destruction of their ship must mean Erebus so again, the Inuit must have found Terror. Unless it turns out their story is about a non-Franklin ship.

[@asandwell]

@@DiamandaHagan Did the Inuit man who reported that anecdote to McClintock/Hall/whoever specifically say the ship sank shortly(hours? days?) after visiting it? If so, then I suppose it had to have been the Terror, unless a sudden movement of the ice smashed the stern and caused it sink as a result, in which case, it may have been the Erebus. But if it only sank after the ice broke or thawed then I still see no reason why it couldn't have been the Erebus, the latter ship's ice damage or no.

[@asandwell]

@@DiamandaHagan As for the 'Aglooka' telling the Inuit their ship had been badly damaged, that could mean only that the last living officers and crew of the vessel evacuated, leaving Mr. Rat-Toothed Giant on board, and later witnessing the vessel's sinking from afar.

[@thenumbah1birdman]

@@DiamandaHagan One thing that irks me about the large party being from Erebus-wasn't this story referring to the party of ~40 men that the Inuit met with at Washington bay and then abandoned as they could not support them? Given the proximity I would assume that this party was from Terror.

[@thenumbah1birdman]

Late, but the ship visited by the Inuit with the big body inside was 'Erebus', not 'Terror'-the ship was seen and boarded in Queen Maude Gulf north of O'Rielly Island, which is where Erebus was found. There is a testimony of a ship that sank quickly that had a white-haired captain who died the winter prior-this has been suggested to refer to 'Terror' and Crozier respectively.

[@Hazztech]

At the beginning-rescue for who?

[@DiamandaHagan]

Rescue for Crozier.

[@TheTrohl]

You still haven't talked about Shackleton and those Swedish guys with the baloon. I hope you know that I expect more.

[@DiamandaHagan]

I have vids scripted, I plan to do them in the next few minths.

[@TheTrohl]

@@DiamandaHagan Good!

[@kinnykiran]

Watch a movie called The Edge starring Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. The bear was actually scary.

[@JasonLucio-g2h]

Hi there

[@falloutghoul1]

Ahh, lovely. Overall, I really like this series, and is a far superior interpretation from the book. Even though the book still comes across as an albatross around it's neck.

[@MrChickennugget360]

i don't see it that way.

[@CanIswearinmyhandle]

Ah yes, inuit... magic land?