The Tesla Cybercab is a Fraud.

[@TheTramly]

CORRECTION: After consulting with an actual software engineer, I was wrong about Tesla FSD being completely impossible. I'm still skeptical about its capabilites right now, but I do concede that in the future, a camera-only self driving car may be possible. I don't think this changes the thesis of the original video, I'm still extremely skeptical about the vast majority of Elon Musk's claims, but if Tesla somehow pulls it off, I'll publicly admit that I was wrong. Go check out the software engineer that helped me understand this issue better: @dariusdarkshadow1288

[@ob0273]

Thank you for the correction. Although I am fed up with with Musk's bullshit about solving traffic, robots being controlled by humans etc., I am really bored with people ranting on FSD and completely ingoring that huge progress in last 2 years. These people have no idea how FSD works, think "more sensors = more good" and absolutely ingore differences between self-driving on premapped roads and FSD. I am happy to hear that now you realize the differences. 👍

[@benjaminmeusburger4254]

still impossible - Tesla does not know about traffic regulations. They claim, that their cars learn by AI (I call BS on that) and AI behaves like other people from the training data. Different countries have different traffic regulations and the numbers per country are drasticly smaller than the US. They can not make country specific profiles/behaviours and will break the regulations all the time. Also - they would never be able to react on any changes in traffic regulations since the AI model would lack the behaviour data of drivers to a new regulation. Therefore they will never take full responsability for anything outside the USA. e.g. Good luck with translating and interpreting a sign like "Bodenmarkierungen ungültig" or "if you drive on a country road and overtake a bycicle while driving >= 60kmh your side distance needs to be at least 2m" (

[@mikelytou]

nobody in their right mind actually cares if it's possible, we'd never use it even if it were. Not if Eloon has the possibility to crash that car into a wall because you don't align with his totally centrist political opinions (and he totally DOES). I'll get into a taxi where the driver will be F'ed himself if he crashes into a wall. But I won't get into an FSD that is potentially controlled by literally the real life version of a James Bond Villain. Watch the film Upgrade (2018).

[@ob0273]

@@benjaminmeusburger4254 Looks like you don't realize it's not year 2001 with poor processing power, small storage and slow internet. Ofc it is not easy and it wont be ready tomorrow. But there is absolutely no reason for not being able to do country specific profilies. Number of different traffic signs is also finite. Yes, they need to make the car understand them all, so they will do exactly that. And driving in different countries may differ but not that much. The goal is to make it safe, not to obey the law in 100 % cases.

[@rayseyfarth]

Did you watch the video of a Tesla under FSD plowing into a deer at full speed? This was recent and the cameras did not show the deer as a problem to address. It was dark and foggy. Radar or lidar would have given the information to the system that there. I am a software engineer, so you can trust me ;-). Seriously I am a retired computer science professor with a lot of success in programming. FSD looks pretty good, but the camera-only decision is not optimal. I am still not convinced that FSD will continue to improve. "Debugging" is what I learned to do to solve problems with code. You don't debug FSD. Tesla feeds more video into a black box and expects things to improve. I think lidar or radar could help reduce the impact of accidents. I think the deer in the middle of the road would still happen with improved sensors and no software could save the deer. With radar the car could have observed a problem and hit the brakes. I would never expect 100% success with a big problem, but there are a few things I would do differently. I would have an emergency over-ride feature separate from the neural network to detect problems and guide the FSD system to brake as safely as it can. I would write all this software using humans so that it could be debugged. The current FSD is probably better than hard-coded software with only cameras. I would not concede on the camera-only concern. Radar is obviously cheap enough since Tesla has radar on most of its cars. Why not use something which can see when humans can't?

[@Ben-kz2km]

Fun fact: We have electric busses in many major cities in Europe. I'm using them all the time. They can transport two to three times more people than the Tesla Robovan. Sure, they are driven by human drivers, but I've never heard anybody inside say "I wish this would drive autonomously". They are on the road RIGHT NOW, effortlessly climbing speed bumps everywhere. Unfortunately, they don't have the slick LED stripes that Elmo so loves.

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

maybe you'll understand when these robo things are ubiquitous. maybe not

[@coastermad13]

Lol you've already attracted simps. We have electric busses and autonomous transit in London. The Docklands light railway has only a couple of people managing the entire network remotely. Moving 10s of thousands of people a day. Robo Taxies will NEVER be a thing.

[@carvoloco4229]

Plus they provide extra jobs

[@Fissan_Poulsen]

But you've probably heard people complain about others' behavior on the bus. If taking a taxi cost the same, everyone would do it.

[@Karras353]

@@Fissan_Poulsen Then everyone would spend a lot more time in traffic jams. The video already raised the subject of existing congestion on roads.

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

Now that Elmo's bought himself a president, he doesn't have to worry about being caught lying again.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

To be fair did he ever worry? I mean nearly ever product he has ever revealed was full of lies. Most of his demo's were faked and nothing ever happens to him. It doesn't matter who is in office.

[@Manelneedsaname]

Those pesky regulations are not gonna get in his way to make a car out of a child's idea of futurism

[@Manelneedsaname]

Now those pesky regulations are not gonna get in the way of his child brain's idea of the future

[@Lascarnn]

4 years will pass fast. The higher he will go, the bigger the fall will be.

[@missfaztudo9312]

And he will get access to how much money he wants!!!! Taxpayers money.

[@P4eeoo]

I don't think this is coming to the EU and maybe thats good

[@TheTramly]

Not gonna lie, I agree. I wouldn't want them here either, at least not in this state

[@flashthefalcon948]

@@TheTramly btw, it costs more than 35k thats factoring in "FuEL sAViNgs"

[@katokianimation]

England created a colony to see what would happen if gun laws and safety regulations weren't things.

[@dsego84]

The EU is funding a different robotaxi company in Croatia lead by Mate Rimac of Rimac hypercars, it's called Verne (previously proj 3 mobility). > The European Commission approved a grant of EUR 179,5 million to Project 3 Mobility As I understand it, they will use level 4 with geofencing and remote drivers if the cars get stuck somewhere.

[@xax2952]

​​@@dsego84rimac is a similar bullshit artist like musk.

[@BismuthKaiju]

Unfortunately, Musk now has the support of the US president, and a promised position in government.. We're screwed, I guess investors might win.

[@KatrinaLeFaye]

I am a long term bicyclist here in the USA. There are no trains, buses, or public transport where I live. I have been hit 21 different times and run over by an 8 ton truck, in 80,000 miles on bicycle. The USA is not set up for public transport other than cars and trucks. It is sad, it is pathetic, but it is how the USA is.

[@morbid1.]

that is fucking crazy...

[@damham5689]

If you look at the history of transportation in the US public transportation was everywhere in metropolitan areas, up until the auto industry paid politicians to scrap public transportation in favor of automobiles.

[@SteveBueche1027]

Maybe stay on the sidewalk and not in the street where bikes do not belong?

[@d.optional3381]

​@@SteveBueche1027get some oxygen, grandpa

[@dudu28r81]

​​@@SteveBueche1027That's illegal in most areas, and the U.S. often doesn't even have sidewalks lmao

[@mikelytou]

4:50 "Look at the thing! The tesla minibus is so low to the ground that you couldn't even stick the remnants of Twitter's valuation down there" 😂 My man, I applaud you for that! 👍 That was an epic diss.

[@cameronchisholm1066]

You do realize that is has an air suspension that will raise it up as required, right? Most of the pics/video of the event showed it kneeled down low to make entry/exit easier.

[@DimebagDarrenLowe]

@@cameronchisholm1066 i always check on this level if idiocy, just to make sure i know what the unhinged are thinking

[@YungAnt7]

Twitter was not purchased for value. It was purchased solely for freedom of speech. It was a large social platform that government and politicians were silencing ppl on who spoke their minds.

[@valkyriedd5849]

A 2 door coupe for a taxi? Where are the rear doors/seats? Elon has really benefited humanity, it is great to travel from New York to Los Angeles in two hours on Hyperloop and visit the Mars base for my holiday this year...😂😮😢

[@skunkjobb]

And build super cheap houses from the bricks you get for free from his tunnel boring company that makes tunnels 100 times faster and cheaper than anyone who knows something about tunneling.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

Most taxi journeys are made with 1-2 passengers. Not all, but most. And we've already seen taxis that don't work for everyone in widespread use. A proper, custom made taxi should be wheelchair accessible. But yet most taxis around the world are just normal cars. Some people can't use them, but most people can and that's good enough for economic viability. We've never seen taxis operate 2 seaters, because historically 1 seat would be required for the driver, and apparently a 1 seat taxi isn't economically viable. When self driving taxis become a thing (not saying this robo taxi will be that when, but at SOME POINT it is going to happen), it will be interesting to see if the increased operating costs of a 4-6 seat car are intact justified by the ability to carry a fractionally higher percentage of fairs.

[@valkyriedd5849]

@@HALLish-jl5mo Just another example of Musk trying to reinvent something that has existed for decades, the London cab has existed for years, has wheelchair access, can fit a whole family with a week's groceries and has the tightest turning circle of any car. Self driving going to have to develop massively to compete with a London cabby's 'knowledge', especially in a real time situation.

[@djsUltra]

​@@valkyriedd5849 The idea is that the other Tesla models could be used for journeys that need more seats or space. The 2 door robotaxi certainly has enough room for groceries though as it is supposed to have room for two large suitcases and carry on luggage. I'm not saying this is guaranteed to all work out, but if it does, then I can't fault the logic.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

@@valkyriedd5849 The London Taxi has existed for years, and most taxi companies use normal cars. Because while it's an amazing taxi, it's an expensive vehicle, and it's usually better to go with a cheaper vehicle that's adequate most of the time. The Knowledge is pointless now. Just use satnav. That is absolutely a skill we have automated out. Tom Scott tested Google Vs a taxi driver with The Knowledge, and over I think 6 trips the difference was about 2 minutes. That's not worth someone studying for 3-4 years. And that learning time is factored into the fairs. Proper taxis are obsolete now. They spend years studying, and a fortune on medallions, in order to obtain and prove a skill that's only a couple percent better than having Google maps on your phone. And in a few years, as Google improves but humans don't, will probably be worse. The only thing keeping taxis running is laws restricting their competitors to hails by apps, which is extremely artificial.

[@FracturedOrigins]

How soon after it gets on the road that the center screen breaks and you can't control the AC. Elon is so smart to remove all redundancy!

[@hoclabtec]

Dont forget about software update locking you out of your own car

[@cityforall]

I'm feeling a vibes of Adam Something :) Bloopers are very nice. Thamks for the video!

[@centurion262]

Haha I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that especially when he mentioned trains!!😅

[@jnb756]

This was nothing more than a life sized RC car being operated in a back room by humans

[@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail]

same as his lame "robots"

[@djsUltra]

They had just under 50 cars operating non-stop for hours, taking people around the area. If they were all remotely operated, that would be quite a feat. They should have just made them use ai to save them the trouble.

[@AWriterWandering]

@@djsUltra honestly their self driving technology is perfectly serviceable in controlled areas. It just can’t handle many complex situations of real life driving

[@hhjhj393]

Your life will be in the hands of some random indians lol.

[@Aussiemarco]

@djsUltra Taking people around “the area”? Hey Tesla fanboy, do you realise this event was staged in the backlog of a movie studio? 100% controlled spaces, Musk’s employees controlling everything. No AI needed at all, since nothing unexpected was ever going to happen. Every vehicle and “robot” entirely RC. Total fraud.

[@ElekToth82]

I'll bookmark this video to see how well it is going to age.

[@abhilashyadav2274]

wine .

[@dot.6799]

Look up "elon FSD Timeline" wont need to bookmark anything, the proof is already there

[@rebkahibasdeys]

Elon's design philosophy: if it has a HYPER or CYBER in it, Even though i myself named it, im building it.

[@PhoenixHen]

Not Just Bikes made a great video on why autonomous vehicles are terrible, though it's only on Nebula yet

[@TheTramly]

I've seen his community post about it, but I haven't watched it (I don't have Nebula, broke until the next adsense paycheck student grindset)

[@PhoenixHen]

@@TheTramly lol

[@Pidalin]

As a person who program CNC machines (I know, it's not real big programming, but still, I now at least little about it) I am shocked that someone is actually trying it, we will all die. Our today technology is not ready for it and massive problem is that nobody is testing anything, they just make it and directly send to customer who is alpha and beta tester, thousands of people will die before they update software in those cars to the state that you will not die in next crossroad. 🙂 All those things like AI, autooptimalisations and autolearning are just propaganda to commercials, we can't do it, you still have to program and optimize everything manually in old fashioned way and then test and test and test for months or years if you want that thing to be working, but corporations want to hack it, it will be a disaster, already now most of products don't work at all and they want some AI cars....

[@harrynac6017]

​@@PidalinAmerica's going to be the playground for Musk. He's going to get rid of regulations, and his cars, robots and brain chips get rolled out. A big lab with human Guinea pigs.

[@tjroelsma]

Tramly: "Big brained genius" Musk Rest of the World: "You mean ketamine addled brain" Musk?

[@madcatter427]

Fun fact he also drove it on the Warner bros movie lot completely felt like it was all just for show an empty promises no way are these vehicles gonna come to full working completion in our society fully autonomous is just too far ahead still before we can make it work without error

[@thejosh3866]

Even if the robotaxi was real, they'd never sell it to the public. If you could make that kind of money from a vehicle that cheap, they'd just create a taxi service and keep all the profits for themselves.

[@Karras353]

The idea that anyone would want to send their own private vehicle off unsupervised, to carry many random people around is bizarre to me. In addition to the risks of passengers abusing the vehicle, it sounds like a regulatory and liability nightmare. Presumably the private owner would need to be insured along the lines of a taxi operator for a start. But I doubt there is even that much demand for that many additional taxis in most existing urban areas anyway. Especially those that do have relatively well developed public transportation. Even if successful, this is just a recipe for putting human taxi operators out of business.

[@dot.6799]

Its gonna get oversaturated then become a race to the bottom

[@loonateer]

No Problem. Pump you Stock and then buy an Election.

[@crispyrobot77]

What I find very troubling is that there are drivers out there using a BETA product that puts NON-Tesla drivers AND innocent pedestrians at risk. Did the NHTSA approve this? WTAF? I think a class action lawsuit it warranted to END the BETA test upon Humans who did NOT OPT IN for this test that may result in loss of life.

[@theaypisamfpv]

LMAO, it has already save people, and you still need to maintain full control of the car when using it, look up the NHTSA safety report, Tesla are one of the best in term of active safety. look up the blue cruise "autopilot" from Ford, it can't even take a turn without going into the incoming lane, THAT will result in loss of life, tho is way less popular than tesla, and it's not fun to critic Ford.

[@Alitar1212]

How much more rich would tesla and Elon be if he just made standard electric buses and trains and lobbied for better public transport

[@jabanan]

Not much really at least at the beginning, because he would lose all of his investors interest in cyber-futuristic dysfunctional silliconevalley nonsense

[@kodwanikennethmsosa]

Introducing... your legs

[@DiamondKingStudios]

Even if we get to fully autonomous vehicles, I do not think the steering wheel should be disposed of, in case the technology (which will always to some extent be vulnerable) fails in a critical situation. Some sort of manual override is always going to be necessary whenever a piece of heavy machinery is traveling at high speeds on a public thoroughfare (which presents countless variables for possible movement). It would be fairly manageable in a controlled space on a fixed guideway, but that is impossible for a car on a road, and I think policy makers should keep that in mind when regulating autonomous road vehicles, before a Cybercab “comes to breakfast” at someone’s house because a minor dent no one noticed or cared to fix caused the car to forget the lane markings somewhere. I’m already annoyed car windows didn’t retain a manual hand crank for if the motor to raise/lower the window failed; there are multiple instances where I can’t just leave it in place before I get it fixed and I don’t want to put any wrapping/tape over the open segment in the meantime. Systems often aren’t as reliable as manufacturers and users depend on.

[@MTurner504]

im pretty sure California already has driverless taxi's out on the roads.

[@Arctic740]

We do

[@SorbonpesMC]

Yeah, but these cars have huge lidars on the roof. Tesla is still only cameras

[@TarequlSifat]

Previously you needed modems to access internet. Now you can access internet from your iPhone.

[@SorbonpesMC]

@@TarequlSifat Yea but that still doesn't change the fact that camera can't see in the dark very well or if sun is shining right into it it's basically blind. That's equivalent to saying that you can watch movies on iPhone but you still rather watch it on your big TV or in cinema.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

​@TarequlSifat just been reading how these existing taxies are 3 times as expensive, and way slower.

[@The8BitGuy]

I have been letting FSD drive me around in my model 3 this last week. It is absolutely mind-blowing how well it works now. I've let it drive me probably for a total of 10 hours. I think I had to intervene exactly once. It's very close to being as good as a human.

[@TheTramly]

Whoa, never expected to see you here, haha As per my correction, I've admitted that camera only self driving is possible, however I'm still quite skeptical about its capabilities in irregular situations, + Tesla STILL doesn't take any responsibility for crashes/other accidents on FSD, which is still kind of a red flag, in my opinion

[@juice954]

Heck yea dude. Just watch videos of people not touching the wheel at all in teslas

[@TheJase8566]

If they actually cost less than $30k, why would Tesla sell them? They would just use them themselves for a taxi business

[@nebylicza]

It’s like no public transportation advocate understands that cars isolate you from both the environment and people you don’t want to be around. Some people smell, some are crazy, some bus rides are crowded and uncomfortable. Also, you are tied to a route and have to wait. With kids all of this exacerbates sevenfold. Cars aren’t going anywhere.

[@CrispyDaFrog]

fr idk where he was going with that, for me the nearest public transportation is a 30 minute drive away

[@hoclabtec]

2:15 just look at all those different types of sensors on the Mercedes. Elon want to make full self driving with just cameras. Thats literarly impossible

[@TheTramly]

After consulting with a software engineer, i do concede that camera only driving may be possible, but still, I'm INCREDIBLY skeptical as of now.

[@Highfreqgaming]

I have a Tesla it drives me to and from work no problem. But still needs to be perfected for mass use. It’s pretty comfortable once you get used to it.

[@saiello2061]

The fact that Techno-Jesus made his presentation on a film set should tell you everything you need to know about the man and his products.... 😏.

[@Pancakegr8]

And this guy’s getting a seat in the White House. This is so infuriating.

[@Pidalin]

Everyone who knows something about programming and about today technology and how far we are has to realize, that people will be dying if we let these things ride, things are not properly programmed and tested these days, corporations want product fast and nobody is testing anything, they make it and immediately send to customer who is alpha and betatester, I am already used to that things don't work these days, but when my brand new coffee machine don't work because it has bugged software, I all survive it, cars are something completely different and honestly, I think that authorities must be bribed when I see what is legal to drive even in Europe, like lights shining to eyes instead of to road, or lighs having strobo effect, pretty much all new cars are like that, how the hell is this legal? It should be completely banned. On one hand there are mandatory crash tests and airbags, but on other hand it's ok that 95% of modern cars have lights with strobo effect? How is this possible? I don't get it. I can imagine that self driving trains on separate corridors with no other kind of traffic can be pretty near future, but cars driving on roads alone? I don't think it's possible with today technology. I am not saying we should not be trying it, but you can't do this in today corporativist capitalism where things are not programmed and tested properly, it's too dangerous, I don't want to sound like I support commies or something, but I would probably feel more safe in some Chinese car. And with all those sensors, it should use co called discrimination method, that means that one thing doesn't work and car can't move because of safety, can you imagine using one of these cars? Already now, car people constantly need some service, it's constantly broken, I work with CNC machines, it's not even riding on roads and still, you are getting plenty of errors every day and it's top tier today technology, I can't imagine using some autonomous car that will show 20 error messages and each maintenance will cost 10 000 eur. 😀

[@granienasniadanie8322]

From what I heard the operating cost of cybercabs is 0.30$ per mile, assuming 2 people per car it's 0.15$ per mile per person. The operating cost of a city bus is 40$ per hour, assuming average speed of 10 mph and 60 passengers it's 0.07$ per mile, per person. Like always, silicon valley lost to buses.

[@djsUltra]

@@granienasniadanie8322 What about outside peak hour? I've been on busses many times where there's only a few people onboard.

[@FSMDog]

From the man that brought the hyperloop....

[@TurfSurf]

Elon Musk literately is Elizabeth Holmes in a black leather jacket.

[@Vahamedus]

Bro, thanks for introducing me to MY LEGS

[@nebylicza]

The entire “Robotaxis generating passive income” idea sounds plausible unless you think about it for 5 seconds. It’s like a driverless Uber so it comes with all the maintenance an Uber ride has + additional risks, because there’s no driver. No driver = no supervision. Most people are responsible, but we all know that 5% will smoke there, have sex, puke, you name it. The legal side of things is going to be a nightmare. What if your Robotaxi crashes with a customer in it? And finally, if Robotaxis actually generated 100% return on investment, Musk wouldn’t be selling them out of the goodness of his heart 😂

[@theaypisamfpv]

there are cameras, you would be dumb to do weird thing in, as to get in you need to be registered using a tesla account, so if there are any degradation, tesla will know who did it. But it's still important to look at that side of human, the dumb ones that ruins everything for everybody.

[@lawnmowerdude]

To the painted tires come standard?

[@DatDude923]

I recently had to do some work for a customer four hours away. I’m headed back home now. I’ve driven over 750 miles, correction, FSD has driven over 750 miles on this road trip. I have been using full self driving since April. I am really enjoying it, it is not perfect, but it works extremely well. What is shocking, is how little I have driven in the past six months. But one of the things I will say is we have to as a society get to a point where we are OK with someone else’s purchases. If you don’t want to partake in the future, you don’t have to and no one’s forcing you to. But why is there a need to stop someone else? If I want to get on an airplane and you are terrified I don’t think we need to cancel airplanes. Maybe you just don’t get on one. If the issue is safety, then we currently have a real problem because there are so many car accidents across America per day, literally in the tens of thousands. But if we can get that down to less than 1000 using robots, I would think that would be better. No?

[@johnmarkjames5447]

Well said.

[@hankvandenakker4271]

GOOD VIDEO, BUT NOT ALL OF US CAN WALK (@ 6:58 IN), OR PEDAL BIKES. THIS 64 Y.O. DISABLED VETERAN RIDES A RALEIGH TRISTAR, A 3 SPEED TRIKE, WITH AN ELECTRIC FRONT TIRE BY "HILLTOPPER". I CAN RIDE @ 16 MILES WITHOUT PEDALING.

[@SteveBueche1027]

He should state the real price for those who don’t owe $7,500 in taxes and wouldn’t qualify for that discount. Now if it was a Point Of Sale discount, that would be nice.

[@a_life_painted_with_color]

If elon already had FSD, he'd be selling them already

[@arandominternetperson4462]

That VW XL concept ain't coming here :D

[@sntxrrr]

The cybercab platform can be used as a basis for a Model 2 hatchback with normal controls and that car would be an instant success. But maybe that is too boring for Elon. That event with the telepresence robots felt like it was only to raise stock prices so Elon could cash a few more billions. That didn't work out so well.

[@GenoppteFliese]

Both vehicles are ridiculous. The cybercab is too small for a serious cab|taxi, I think London did a good job of designing proper passenger cars with their taxi design. The mini bus has an outside luggage compartment which is okay for single stop coaches doing longhaul point-2-point trips but not for a hop-on/hop-off ride. I think that taxi drivers can name lots of regular customers that cannot use a FSD cybercab because they need the taxi driver to help them in some way. Many taxi rides in my country are done with a kind of medical's voucher and health insurance is paying the ride. Will Tesla's app accept this paper currency?

[@UncleJoeLITE]

The obvious snake oil level was like an MLM cult gathering. Cheers from Canberra 🇦🇺

[@191fox]

why not a tram or a train it's looks like it and it will be more helpful to low income familys

[@triage2962]

Elmo hates trams, trains and bus. He wants to sell cars.

[@191fox]

@@triage2962 why dose he hate it if you dont know its ok

[@paul2413]

4:29 “Tesla Hyper-Sigma-Chungus-Autoloop” 🤣🤣🤣

[@pse2020]

Not only was the whole set up fake... it proved teslas only camera aprouch does not work. they had to geofence and map the area before the event.. that is not good.

[@Bzuhl]

FSD is mostly Musk trying to sell Teslas as an investment. Probably to make his Las Vegas Hyperloop more viable as it might be the only context in which he has a chance at autonomous vehicles on the short term.

[@maifantasia3650]

The LVCC has been operating for more than 3 years and they still can't operate the vehicles autonomously.

[@churchofmarcus]

FSD on other Tesla models requires human oversight to prevent it driving in bike lanes, turning down the wrong side of the street, and giving up when there are obstacles nearby. This would be fine if the passenger had to sometimes correct the car. But the passenger cannot do that, because the car has no pedals or steering wheel.

[@cookingwithsilence]

He's in charge of whether or not I get to keep going to school now...

[@CZpersi]

The doors on that thing... There is a reason, why this design was abandoned in the 1970s.

[@Fouss_8]

Honestly, i was ready to hear some solids arguments and change my mind about the robotaxi, but i really didn't. "tesla isn't ready for full self driving because it only uses cameras, whereas mercedes uses more technology ! " If you look at the reality, tesla fsd is already way more stable and trustworthy that 90% of humans drivers, while mercedes don't even have fsd so i don't see the point of this comparison ( altho, musk's obsession with using only camera is wierd and stupid ). And the "there are already alternatives to taxi, just walk" is probably the stupidest thing said in this video ( respectfully ) : everyone using a taxi is traveling a distance excessive for walking ; and above that, this is faced towards US market where there is little to no public transportation and where people never walk outside. Plus taxi is a concept that exist since a long long time, so i don't see why a taxi is usefull, but when tesla does it it instantly become useless. Apart from that i do agree the the van is stupid in many many point including those you mentioned, who tf thought this disign what a good idea 😂?

[@CrispyDaFrog]

average youtube nothing burger

[@abinlukasabraham]

It's all looks and no substance. They could have made it a six seater with height for ease of access. Instead of a 2 seater sports car looking thing. That's when you know it's just to wow people.

[@gagaplex]

Yeah, what a waste of materials. But Tesla always focused on luxury, huge EVs, so the notion of environmental protection was already absurd.

[@Bloodlinedev]

Dev here - I used to think FSD cant be that hard because basic automation of driving is pretty easy but the more I think about it the more I'm sure that FSD requires AGI or adapting roads and/or other cars (which is a different way of saying not in the foreseeable future). More sensors make the task easier to achieve but even then... sun blinding the cameras and a random lettuce blocking lidar the car will just into a random stop because it has no concept of how hard or soft something is. This is obviously not a common occurrence but combine this with the random faults from the implementation and people will not like you putting 3 ton death bricks on the road. I think he knows that and between promising this tech years ago and not putting sensors into his cars that make this easier... I think they f'd up pretty badly. And he keeps lying.

[@wuiss__._]

Autonomos driving should have never been considered for cars, cars should be for those who want to drive and those who not resource to public transport and taxis, that way we could make a significant impact into emissions and basically cars would be an entusiasts of driving item, only for those who really vallue the concept of driving, you see a lot of people that dont like driving (thos who this shitshow would catter to) and i just ask myself why do they drive

[@CrispyDaFrog]

i dont like driving but public transport is just not a possibility whatsoever where I live

[@wuiss__._]

@CrispyDaFrog i understand that, and its unfortunate cause public transport should be an important thing when planing a city, my coment came from an european perspective where most of countries in here have funcional to good public transport, i do understand that unfortunately most of the world doesnt have that but i firmly belive that should be a change to be made

[@Ryzard]

The bus wasn't moving over 10mph on a closed set...

[@Zomonitan]

Since we know that the "robots" there were just being controlled by people, maybe the "self driving" at the show was just remote control

[@jabanan]

or the whole area was premapped and scanned and was there any traffic? Any reckless drivers?

[@glenmurie]

I'm certain it will never be able to detect if a drunk passenger is about to throw up and pull over and get them aimed outside before they hose down the interior with vomit. Or notice that a prior passenger coated the interior with various fluids and carry on to pick up the next passenger.

[@haraldputensen7955]

Danke!

[@TheTramly]

Danke für die Superchat, ich hoffe, dass Sie die Video genossen haben :)

[@t3rr411]

Not only is this a crap taxi a nightmare to build, a lawyer would have a field day trying to destroy tesla on if this can legally operate anywhere with real traffic

[@austinzizzi1142]

Technically with the FSD 13 update Tesla is now a level 3 autonomous vehicle. You don’t have to touch the steering wheel or pedals for any part of the drive.

[@axeleriksson7240]

Sure, call it a level 3 autonomous vehicle. But the reality remains the same, Tesla is promising to deliver a fully autonomous taxi service next year, but they are still to receive state approval anywhere in the world. It could be because Chinese and Western officials are trying to stop Musk because they are woke and corrupt, or simply because the no-Lidar approach is failing , doesn't really matter. Whatever the reason, Mercedes, BMW, Geely, Waymo and Zoox are clearly winning this race at the moment. All of the cybercab promises are happening while Tesla's competitors are actually operating autonomous taxis in the public. Tesla is now expanding the project to include some sort of bus? They are seemingly already losing the race, and have somehow decided to start competing in the heavy-segment where Mercedes, Scania and Volvo have been operating autonomous trucks and buses on actual roads for half a decade. Coming from the perspective of an engineer in the automotive segment, with no interest at all in the stock markets, it looks like Tesla is promising a lot when you consider what they've actually delivered.

[@realquadmoo]

If anyone’s wondering, the reason Tesla only uses cameras is because Elon Musk won’t allow any sensors, stating “Humans can drive with just two eyes”. Teslas have far more than two cameras, as that was the compromise.

[@Katrina-mx2sf]

I would never get in a robo-taxi.

[@AirBush64]

I think that comparing tesla FSD and the actual part of Mercedes autopilot that is level 3 self driving is like comparing apples to pears. And in this case the levels of self driving shouldn’t be taken word for word when a car can be labelled as level 3 if it can only stay in the lane on a motorway on a sunny day with no traffic because the company allows you in this scenario to take your hands of the wheel and doesn’t actually refer to the ability of the car to drive from a to b by itself

[@AirBush64]

And although i don’t think the cab will cost 30k$ i believe that it is less expensive than the model 3 because number of parts is reduced and the battery is smaller

[@truedarklander]

​@@AirBush64It's literally a model y without a couple of elements

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

There are historical aircraft that are legally not allowed to fly because they lack an airworthiness certificate, but can legally conduct fast taxis at airshows. Occasionally the pilots mess up, or there's a strong gust of wind, and they actually do fly. Is that an aircraft that can fly or not? Practically, yes. Legally, no. So how you class a self driving car that has capabilities far beyond what it is legally permitted to use is awkward. It gets more complicated when there's an electronic inhibitor installed. It's like electric speed limiting. What is the top speed of a car, 145 because that's when the computer has been told it's not allowed to go faster than, or 180 because that's what the car actually do?

[@andrzejostrowski5579]

Easy test: Mercedes takes all responsibility for what its vehicle does. If a manufacturer is not willing to take this responsibility, it means that they don’t believe in their product themselves!

[@stevenbaumann8692]

"The speed bump!" made my day

[@Celestara]

The only edge cutting Mercedes Benz does is it’s Ev sector 😂😂😂

[@CAESARbonds]

But now as Minister of transportation under Trump, this is the transportation of the future.

[@jabanan]

Transportation of the future and another problem for future governments to fix

[@magnusdahlgren3715]

Will insurance companies even want to cover a Tesla cab? And if they do, how much more would that kind of policy cost?

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

Did you know that Tesla is also an insurance company? Also, did you know that these are typically not meant for consumers, but large scale fleet operators.

[@Karras353]

@@SiisKolkytEuroo So Tesla will have a monopoly on insurance for them, including pricing and total control over what they are liable for (short of law suits at least)? That sounds healthy. Otherwise the question still remains as to if third parties will want to cover it and for how much.

[@triage2962]

@@Karras353 If You go above Tier 2 the company is liable if something happend with the selfdriving because the driver does not need to watch the traffic anymore.

[@Karras353]

@@triage2962 Right, but somebody still needs to insure it, no? Or would Tesla as "the company" be required to cover any claims by default, due to the level of self drive? Because I'm pretty sure that in real world usage, local laws will still require some insurance policy to apply to the vehicle.

[@PDVism]

@@SiisKolkytEuroo Why would Telsa need to be having you to pay insurance for their perfect fully self driving? If they really believe in it they should be 100% liable by default and have to prove that any and all mishaps and accidents aren't due to their superb fantastic FSD system, shouldn't they? Oh wait, of course they won't do that because.......... their system sucks and is not only not leading the way but in fact is way worse then all the competition.

[@pauliusgecas472]

i want public transport with human drivers only. dismissed.

[@rpinnon]

how many near misses and deaths caused by drivers driving themselves looking at cell phones.

[@SunRunn3r]

About the alternatives here is what I think every tesla critic gets completly wrong: Tesla does not compete with Public transportation. No matter what Tesla does, local governents are not held back on improving public transport Systems. What Tesla truly competes with, is single car usage or ownership, thus decluttering our roads and turning carbon intensive travel, into way less carbon intensive travel. Tesla is self funded, almost no taxpayer money goes there so its a logical fallacy to say public transport is in any way more competing with Tesla than any other car brand.

[@TheTramly]

Tesla receives a LOT of subsidies from the federal, state, and local governments subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc +, Elon Musk seems to be hell bent on not improving transit, as proven by him pushing Hyperloop for the reason of getting California High Speed Rail canceled time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions/

[@cybercab]

It seems the market is confident in his efforts.

[@dariusdarkshadow1288]

7:30 Trains are not self driving. Trains have a conductor, which is 80% of the cost.

[@TheTramly]

GoA4 automated metro lines don't have a driver, or a conductor. I wasn't mentioning traditional, intercity trains.

[@jabanan]

Trains dont have to deal with trafic they have the the right of way, they dont have to yield. They just need to know when to stop and detect people on tracks. Just control power and brakes.

[@jmd1743]

It would be a nice car design on it's own. But it's bust because Tesla doesn't even have waymo type of car depots.

[@mt-mg7tt]

Trains IN GENERAL are needed, whether automated or not.

[@jonahblock]

Those robots were just people remote controlling them, not autonomous robots at all

[@AlexWall-z5n]

then you are not a tesla owner at all

[@AlexWall-z5n]

it just seems like it

[@AlexWall-z5n]

you aren't a tesla driver

[@mitchg7809]

Do we know what’s behind the two front seats? I have a sneaking suspicion it’s a hidden compartment with a steering wheel, video screen & and a driver.

[@SuperChaoticus]

Seat belts may not be needed in a vehicle incapable of going more than 5 kph.

[@Darkmatterdwarf]

This BS leads to a new legislative question: If you have a car with level5 selfdriving, but the car has no pedals no wheel no nothing to drive is by yourself, do you even need a driver licence when you are only pointing at a place in googlemaps. We have definitly some more years untill that question becomes a practical one. When the industry leaders start their lobbywork into that direction, then we know that they at least believe they are close to level5.

[@FlutterGuy121]

FSD is stupid and a very bad idea. Most people may suck at driving, but they at least won't turn into oncoming traffic or attempt to run over pedestrians on purpose. Companies need to stop shoving so much tech into cars so people don't get distracted.

[@didiermejia780]

I saw this at the LA auto show. 😂😂😂 it looked like someone made it at in their garage. The wheels and tires looked like someone took spray paint to them. 😂😂😂

[@zinussan50]

4:29 😂 that is great car name hahaha😂

[@Ryzard]

Can we acknowledge that even if this thing DID work, it would suck. *BECAUSE IT IS A TWO SEATER WITH NO LUGGAGE SPACE. WHY WOULD THIS BE YOUR CHOICE OF TAXI?! NOT A VAN? NOT A SEDAN? all this is, is a reskin of one of their existing cars with a different interior and some delorean styling, all of which make it WORSE.

[@davesmith9451]

I am sure it is disappointing to all riders who have physical limitations that the cab and bus proposed by Tesla seem to be designed and intended for able-bodied riders only. Not a great look from a company that says it is revolutionizing transit. 🤨

[@RoeVenturesLLC]

3:36 FSD has proven to be mostly great and reliable in beta

[@osdial1]

bro has clearly never seen full self driving in a tesla before its basicly level 5

[@coaldoubt2879]

what could possibly go wrong? lol

[@skofijak]

It's crazy but on the road you drive 90km/h one way, and there is a car literary cm away moving 90km/h the opposite way, so one invalid move of AI and you are dead. We just got used to the risk, and also learn not to turn randomly in to incoming traffic, but it seems like brain doesn't have gliches and unforeseen program errors and stuff, so it works somehow. When you let AI drive the car, where we are unable to tell how exactly it works, we just know it works, it might cause some problems in unusual road situations.

[@VESPITO1966]

Nice way of making an advertisement for the STOP principle and public transport. This can only work for urban areas and cities.

[@eleghari]

Trump -- who just admitted in his acceptance speech he had never heard of StarLink -- will believe this is genius 😂

[@abandonaut]

Fully Automatic Robot Taxi - FART

[@loofers]

Real question. Have you been driven in a tesla with v12 fsd in fsd mode? I think you wouldn't be posting this drivel if you have. I feel like you haven't even sat in one with fsd

[@tureytayno3154]

Is there anything Elon is pushing that is not a scam?

[@cycleistic1365]

Self driving cars won't solve much anything, it's a pipe dream that aims in sustaining the car industry for the future rather than solve any actual problems of cars or personal transportation in general. All car industry should be stopped posthaste and its resources converted to mass transit and bicycle manufacturing. Next in turn to stop should be passenger planes.

[@PL8tektonix]

"Bus is so low to the ground"...you know that it has a variable air suspension, and can raise itself up...and that it is only low to the ground in this picture because it is at "entry" height, as people are exiting. These negative takes from negative people don't seem to care much for the facts.

[@TheTramly]

before i see it in action, I won't believe it. Elon Musk has made his word absolutely worthless after all the false promises.

[@ptonpc]

Do you have any links to video or technical data showing your claims? This is a presentation from Ketamine boy so in carefully controlled conditions. He has a long history of not following through on things he claims (turns out he admitted the Hyperloop idea was just to scupper a mass transit system proposal he didn't like). So. by default, anything he claims must not be trusted.

[@PL8tektonix]

@@ptonpc Many city busses "kneel" when they come to a passenger stop in order to make entry and exit easier. The dump air from their compressors. This is common, and nothing new...so you should not be surprised to see a Tesla mass transit product do so. Also, I own a Cybertruck, and I can raise of lower it any time I want with air compression. So, again...not hard to imagine. Also, in one of the many videos that I watched with a reviewer at the event, he mentioned that that mass transit vehicle could raise or lower via air compression. I'm not going to search through every video that I've seen in order to hunt that one down, but as I said, it is a common feature of mass transit vehicles.

[@PL8tektonix]

@@TheTramly Consider the following. Elon doesn't lie. He makes predictions. He is actually being radically transparent. Few CEOs will be so open about their future plans, for fear of giving the competition some insight, or for fear of turning out to be wrong. However, Elon tells you the direction of where they are headed, and gets the timing wrong, because it is unknowable. He even opens up his patents to the competition. I bet you make a lot of predictions on your KZbin channel. When you turn out to be incorrect, does that make you a liar?

[@jakubnadvornik6865]

Skvělé video pane, máš naprostou pravdu s těmi vlaky a tak.

[@W0Ndr3y]

I don't think you are too correct here regarding the self driving. FSD is improving every day and cameras are plenty powerful to deal with driving. As a driver you arent equipped with more than your eyes and ears either. With the minibus I think the skirt on the bottom will be removed in final version for the clearance and seat belts I believe will be there in final product.

[@DJ1573]

You cant compare the human sense of sight with a camera. Same with the processes going on in the drivers brain. FSD is improving but at the same time strange errors are occuring which the engineers cant explain. More data does not equal better performance

[@W0Ndr3y]

@DJ1573 yes but have you seen how people are actually driving? Elderly woman nearly killed me last week when she ran a red light on pedestrian crossing

[@antsantsantsants]

FSD is only a good technology when put in the hands of good drivers, many of which are not. I’ve experienced many friends with teslas using the beta full self driving without losing access because it is impossible for the car to check if the driver is actually paying attention or on their phone while holding the wheel with one hand.

[@Ben21756]

@@DJ1573 I’m sure the engineers will figure it out someday, it’s a win-win for all of us, Tesla is developing this tech at their own expense, and that’s perfectly fine. I hope they do succeed, and that’s all we should really care about unless you’re like invested into Tesla or something…

[@pauljohnphillips6873]

I find it hard to believe that anything tha amazingly honest and not in any way deceitful Elon Musk is involved in is in any way fradulent. It isn't as though he has ever tried conning anyone ever before. Hooray for Elon, the saviour of mankind.

[@fernandogarciadeleon6292]

You would have been an ICE engine car hater in the early 1900s 😂😂😂

[@QuantumEX]

Elmo is a clown, but that clown is about to become a very powerful oligarch. These fake taxis will be subsidies by the taxpayers, and we will have to love them.