The Texas Chain Saw Massacre Review - Off The Shelf Reviews

Join Gary and Iain for a review and discussion of, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974) by Director, Tobe Hooper. Starring, Marilyn Burns, Edwin Neal, and Gunnar Hansen.
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[@ScreamingScallop]

The first sledgehammer killing. God almighty. It's not even the blow to the head, it's the way the twitching, spasming victim's heels dance on that wooden ramp, and the racket from that door made of aluminum siding. This is one of the few movies in which I can really appreciate the sound work.

[@Galantski]

Don't forget the "squish" when the victim gets whacked. That sound is stomach-churningly sick.

[@Grandmastergav86]

It's a meat hammer not a sledge

[@StoneyBrownTV]

I would honestly say watching this coming up that was the scariest scene in the movie.

[@paulbrown6464]

The reason for the convulsing is that the first blow drove bone fragments into the brain

[@brianmeen2158]

The quivering of the victim makes the scene much more realistic - you don’t see that sort of thing in movies

[@lilpoet27]

I love Jamie Lee Curtis, but I got to hand it to Marilyn Burns, her performance in this was definitely deserving of Scream Queen status.

[@vhs8669]

I agree 100% about Curtis and Burns but I would like to nominate Catriona Maccoll as well. If you have not heard of her then look her up!

[@3plictgaming]

The leather face dance at the end is so iconic.

[@5jerry1]

~ I don't like when people call any aspect of this movie "tame." There's nothing tame about it. There is restraint with the depiction of events, but this is as brutal and hard hitting as anything that has ever followed it.

[@spencerglover1]

So True, the people who say that it’s Tame are not really watching it, to me it’s the most effective horror film ever made, it stayed with me for days, the ending feels so apocalyptic, like end of days, so bleak, the sheer madness in the dinner scene is at times overwhelming, the acting was marvellous, the cinematography was on another level, its the purest form of a horror film ever created, Gunnar Hansen was marvellous as Leatherface, such a terrifying abomination of a human, his movements and noises he makes are so utterly freakish, the film is a masterpiece and the people who see it the way it was meant to be taken in realise what an unnerving nightmare of a creation it was, Horrifying and Beautiful at the same time.

[@theneedle6785]

It was fantastic I agree

[@_Summer.]

The first time I saw this film I was staying with my aunt. She lived on an old dirt road with only a farm house across the street & empty land all around. Couldn't have asked for a better situation.

[@matthias_samahl1266]

Couldn't have asked for a worse situation in my opinion.

[@Blizzard757575]

The sliding of that metal door and the meat hook got me when I was a kid and watched this.

[@phillipweber6059]

Still the most disturbing scene in the entire film. The low tone in the music after the slam is incredibly effective!

[@liam_worships_God]

For some reason, I never found this movie scary but I did find it creepy and disturbing. All the way through it there is a very cold dark feel to it.

[@MooncricketsInc]

No amounts of garbage remakes, reboots , sequels prequels etc will come even remotely close to this great and classic movie.. RIP Mr. Hooper

[@airfixx_8952]

Raw, intense, visceral, brutal...... TCM is absolute horror brilliance. Great review guys!

[@gnc623]

My favorite part of this movie was the chainsaw chase. It felt like it went on forever, but in a good way! It's cool how during the chase, there was no intense music or anything, just the sound of the chainsaw and screaming, but damn did you feel the terror!

[@bucminster9172]

Franklin had the best lines: "Looks like we picked up Dracula." and "A whole family of Draculas.". Among horror characters, Franklin is up there with Shelly.

[@smjjohnson]

He wasn't that far off!😂

[@AlexaExtraordinaire]

Great review as usual. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is the best horror film in my estimation. It feels authentic, whether it's in the unintentional funny scenes or the more suspenseful ones, it has this unnerving vibe throughout. And best of all, it has no famous actors and no musical score. The only film that comes near this masterpiece is The Blair Witch Project.

[@airfixx_8952]

It has absolutely has a score... Just not one that fits with musical and melodic convention. In part down to the era of the production, but the soundtrack is a damn masterpiece and it's a tragedy it was the recorded and mixed directly onto the film audio (due to time and budgetary constraints) rather than being recorded and preserved as audio master in it's own right.

[@jakeen229]

One of the best film, period.

[@WrecklessEating]

Been on a major binge. These are perfect for the gym lol. Keep kicking ass guys.

[@III_Ed_B_III]

The film also, metaphorically, addresses the state of the US in the mid-70s: the patriarch is Nixon-like in look and behaviour, a fuel crisis, soaring unemployment, the value of life/life as 'meat' or a commodity in the aftermath of Vietnam. That's alongside the exquisite cinematography, sound, and general attention to detail on no budget. One of a small handful of cinematic masterpieces that seem to lose none of their impact over time.

[@kramalerav]

I love how they layer into the background the radio news reporter incessantly feeding us reports of one violent catastrophe after another. This film sometimes feels like Easy Rider’s evil little brother.

[@marcfield1234]

This is a film like no other. You don't watch it, you survive it.

[@cross4480]

I've actually stopped at that store and ate barbecue. Still looks the same.

[@justafanofnerdculture7602]

Same here and I also got some pretty cool TCSM merch when my wife and I visited there. 👍

[@4besideyouintime]

"the story follows a group of teens" if i had a penny for everytime i heard that about a movie...

[@specialsnowfake6744]

chickenpermission because teens are stupid enough to allow things to happen to them? 😊

[@ScreamingScallop]

I know for a fact that the only reason I survived to adulthood was blind, stupid, simple, doo-dah, clueless luck.

[@Armageddon-yt3so]

was that a Batman Forever reference?

[@sasahuzjak2249]

...you d be a rich man ;) Same here...

[@spencerglover1]

Yeh but this was the first film where that situation started, the original and the greatest.

[@jlogan2228]

That meat hook scene is one of the best ever in horror bc like the hobbling scene from misery it shows just enough to get the point across but it's the acting and how much the gore ISNT over the top that it just makes you FEEL how bad that must hurt

[@55bueller]

Gunnar Hansen was renowned for being one of the nicest actors, RIP. I've noticed how easily characters clothes rip in 70's horror movies! Halloween is usually 1# on most lists!

[@lacyinmon1004]

The original is better than the remake

[@LauraSquirrel]

That's usually the case.

[@spencerglover1]

Definitely, the original is a classic.

[@bentramer682]

Always

[@sakio7873]

Every original movie is better than the remake

[@Gideon13397]

@@sakio7873 Not always though.

[@LoneWolf81684]

Definitely one of the best horror films ever. Amazing review, guys.

[@kramalerav]

“Where you headed, man?” -“South.” That’s for damn sure!

[@jackthomas6952]

I live in South Texas not far from where this movie was filmed and I can tell you that heat is such a huge part of this movie, every summer we have a month or more of 100 plus temps and it’s agonizing, it will be over 90 degrees at night still. So many of the natural elements in this film are what makes this so realistic.

[@jaredrubin7843]

guys i saw this at a sleep over in america when i was 13, and i was so creeped out......the hitch hiker scene scare the crap out of me......leather face bashing his first kill then slams that metal door shut.....just insane stuff u dont see in any sequels.

[@billybobtexas]

There is an interesting gut wrenching detail in the film not alot of people catch on to. TXCM is my fav horror movie, it has haunted me, gave me nightmares and as a guy who has wanted to make films it has inspired me to no end, Ive seen the film many times, i even go shopping right on the same land where it was filmed, its a shopping mall now. So back to my observation, when the “chef” gets Sally in his Gas-station and kinda knocks her out, he ties her uo and then reaches over to his bathroom, grabs the rag used for wiping his ass, covered in stains , and stuffs it in her mouth. I mean... ughhhhhh. That alone is a tiny detail horrifically realized in a movie that had every reason to fail, that to this day could still shock and awe over some minor over looked detail. Its a masterpiece. Great conversation/ episode, guys.

[@eduardo_corrochio]

Wow, who has an ass-wiping rag? Don't these backwoods folk have Charmin or Cottonelle at the corner grocer ... LOL!

[@RockinRic]

On a similar line, shortly afterwards when she is in the sack in the truck and he is stabbing away at her with a stick while driving. All you hear are her muffled screams. You don't know where she is being hit, (like it matters!) but his amusement is truly terrifying.

[@bushwick4289]

this is the perfect stuff to listen to in earphones whilst cooking dinner. i love these reviews. may i suggesta review of jeepers creepers ?

[@NICK666565]

I agree mate I'm hooked on these guys since I found them ...Very entertaining indeed.

[@mattmidgley4275]

One of the best horror movies ever made ( this and exorcist) and it’s remarkable that both films have very little blood, one of your best reviews lads OTSR 👊👊

[@Galantski]

It's never developed in the plot, but to me, when the hitchhiker burns Franklin's photo, it's like he's performing an occult ritual. 13:57

[@richardedwards9349]

24:55 jerry was about to leave after knocking first time then notices the towels on front porch, thinks kirk and pam are playing games, goofing on him

[@JeremyLeal1695]

I've actually met the hitchhiker at a con once. apparently, the mole he's got on his forehead was literally a raisin they taped to his head

[@stunningandbrave7475]

26:25 That close up shot of “leather face” where you can see his bubba-teeth through the mask was the most unnerving shot in the entire film for me.

[@bentramer682]

Were those fake teeth, i mean I think they are fake Gunnar Hansen was a fine looking dude but those teeth, I've seen teeth like that before.

[@theneedle6785]

Did you notice that his teeth have grooves filed into them?

[@theneedle6785]

When I watched this film the first time I was disturbed and wondered if the director had mental problems.

[@oldheadprisonofficer7024]

Just discovered your channel and my god you guys are great. I love how you guys can have different views and love the other extra info. You guys rule

[@gboni66]

Leatherface: TCM3 Director’s Cut is worth watching. It keeps most of the gore the MPAA demanded they take out and the DVD includes the original ending.

[@travellingshoes5241]

This scared the bejeezus out of me and i watched it when i was 23 in 2007. It really, really chilled me.

[@spencerglover1]

It’s stilll as powerful now as it was in the 70s and 80s

[@jaredrubin7843]

wow i didn't know GEORGE CARLIN WAS REVIEWING MOVIES NOW

[@NitpickCritic]

Great review, Wayne Bell and Tobe Hooper's musical score truly adds to the eerie and disturbing tone.

[@kramalerav]

That crude electronic score really packs a wallop. From what I understand, they took the sound of the chainsaw and assorted cattle moans from a slaughterhouse, then doused it with a shit ton of echo delay and reverb using nothing but an old analog mixing desk.

[@cruddddddddddddddd]

This film is more frightening than any Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th entry, and most modern horror films. I saw it when I was 17 and it disturbed me for quite a few days later, which no film had done in quite the same way. I was a big Hellraiser fan, but those were just fun for me. I think it's ridiculous that it was banned for so long in so many places, but I get what bothered people back then, because it bothered me in the 90s when I first saw it. It felt like I was watching something taboo, which - considering how often it had been banned - I guess I was, in a way. It's one of my favorite horror films, yet one that I've revisited far less often than a Freddy or a Jason movie.

[@MegaMyrow]

Finally someone who reviews This movie proper a tip of the hat to you guys for not fanboying about it

[@chrisevans5259]

The film as a grainy realism about it that only films from the 70s possess, its brilliantly filmed with an excellent musical score adding to the terror and pace of the film, and in leather face we have one of horrors greatest and iconic characters, a classic horror from the 1970s.

[@LauraSquirrel]

Yep. Long live old school cinema!

[@spencerglover1]

No one else got Leatherface as perfect as Gunnar Hansen did, he made him terrifying and vulnerable at the same time , a perfect performance without lines.

[@whoawtf7419]

is it christmas already? literally been on an otsr binge for the last few days. Just finished an older review (das boot) and refreshed to see this! Fucking stoooooked! Great choice in review guys! Thanks for keeping up the content!

[@ghostlightx9005]

The first minute of this movie is among the finest minutes ever filmed. I was hooked for life from that moment.

[@starblue6tv]

PG movies used to have people's faces melting like in Raiders of the Lost Ark

[@bentramer682]

That's still ten years after this film came out

[@strangerthanfiction4014]

The movie works like a nightmare. WHY THE HELL IS HE RUNNING TOWARDS THE DOOR? When the brunette is inside the bone room... man, it is right out of a disturbed mind! And later, when the blonde seeks refuge in the gas station, the Oven behind the door... It is filmed like a nightmare.... absolutely disturbing!

[@strangerthanfiction4014]

The blonde getting stuck in the thorns while being followed by DEATH is the same as your worst nightmare. These thorns alone must cut into her face, pull her in... its terrifying

[@takayasu2009]

My favourite Tobe Hooper film is 'Lifeforce' aka 'Space Vampires'.

[@willschwarting2224]

always great, I love your longer videos. any more texas chainsaw reviews to come??

[@mrg3241]

Unnerving is a great word to sum up this movie. That kind of 70's horror documentary tone is what I think really sets this apart from all other horror films. That meat hook scene is still one of the toughest sights to sit through. Also, this was the first time I ever noticed Leatherface's mask change during that dinner scene. He's wears makeup, and the face itself seems smoother and more feminine. Since Ed Gein was such a noted inspiration, I wouldn't be surprised if Tobe Hooper intended this to be the visage of Leatherface's mother.

[@SpeedBoost]

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Exorcist and The Blair Witch Project are the only movies I remember being actually scared of the VHS tapes after I watched them.

[@michaelquaill4]

You guys make great videos. I've watched a few of them already. Definitely subbed. You deserve more recognition.

[@mrrictus]

Well. I am now compelled to watch this flick for the 40ish something time.

[@TheJoshuaelmlinger]

My dudes. Love this channel. I was surprised to see you haven't reviewed James Cameron's best movie yet, The Abyss. Pretty please??

[@smjjohnson]

The Best! LOL! 42:42 .. Hitchhiker had about :15 seconds to just lower his arms & hands and jump out of the way.. But noooooooo!!!😂

[@jwalt8019]

The most disturbing scene for me was when Kirk was shaking on the ground from Leather face’s blow. 😳😳😳

[@lotrgirl275]

Just realized how weird the expression "blowing a raspberry" is if you aren't a native speaker. I had to look it up and got no real result at first. It really makes little sense given what it actually means lol we just say "make a farting sound by mouth" haha ;)

[@DrRockso79]

One thing that this movie (and, surprisingly, the fourth one) did that creeped me out is how, aside from not being supernatural, it dragged people not involved in the main conflict into it. The truck driver, the elderly couple at the end of four. It wasn't your typical "Well as long as you stay away from the place with the history of people dying you're fine" schtick. Even if you just got lost on a back road going to a wedding you could potentially be screwed.

[@makaveli4205]

I live in Wisconsin home of Ed Gein and Jeffery Dahmer. This is how u make a horror movie. Kind of crazy it got banned so much. Very little blood in it. It's all in your mind.

[@NickElliott-xn4bg]

Hey lads, I felt a recap of this was in order with the new game being out and I'm really enjoying it I hope you guys are enjoying it aswell. 👊

[@s1050]

One of the greatest horror movies ever. Scared the absolute shit out of me as a teenager. Gave me a lifelong fear of chainsaws

[@Galantski]

Two things come to mind when I saw Sally escape in the pickup truck at the end of the film. First, her hysterical laughing suggests that her sanity has blown a gasket, maybe permanently. Second, what if she didn't realize it, but the pickup isn't really stopping to rescue her, but to take her back to the house?! It wasn't the case, of course, but how much more terrifying would that sequence be if when the driver spun round to look out of the back window, it turned out that to be the gas station guy who got her in the same truck he used to drive her to the house the previous night. It would be a slap on the wrist for Leatherface, who botched it and now much return home to get a tongue lashing for his incompetence. In that scenario, it would be doubly maddening for Sally to see the driver's maniacal grin and realize she hadn't escaped after all.

[@airfixx_8952]

I agree with the lads.... We didn't need the "not really! LOL" cliched ending...... The fact that we don't know for 100% sure what happens to Shelly is perfect..... Maybe she does escape safely and build her life? ....Maybe she she never mentally recovers? .....Maybe the truck is driven by one of the clan? ......That's the beauty of it. Part of what's so amazing about the film is Tobe Hooper understanding of what and when to leave things to the viewer's imagination.

[@kramalerav]

Now THAT should have been the idea for the true sequel! Yes, Sally laughed for the same reason that Jesse Pinkman did at the conclusion of Breaking Bad.

[@zetetick395]

For me the hottest feeling movies have to be C.H.U.D. (1984 - filmed in tiny, dirty basements during a Historic heatwave in NY - everyone's sweating bullets in that movie) and, of course Do the Right Thing (1989) - which is just sweltering heat the whole way through.

[@bentramer682]

*LOOK WHAT YOUR BROTHER DID TO THE DOOR!*

[@shreknet]

This is in my top 5 films of all time. And it is the best horror film ever made. Exorcist is incredible but loses points due to the obvious supernatural element. TCM is a rusty nail, a fly on the wall look at a (as far as the viewers are concerned) absolute nightmare fuelled occurrence that could actually happen in real life. The acting is excellent. The heat and conditions were evident in the final product plus that incredible set design with the bones in that living room will always be insane. Now Tobe Hooper never did better than this. He had a later style that fans love and that's fair. But he never replicated the force of this film unfortunately. The lack of gore was a strength and allowed our imaginations to decide and perceive how horrific the circumstances were. Unlike the new Netflix film that tries to impress us with CGI gore which looks great but is cheap in its effectiveness. The intro scene with the morbid display of red and black shots of the Sun. Nature running its course anything getting in it's way is forfeit is menacing as fuck! The film continues to show solid shots of the Sun and the Moon as bookmarks in what will happen next. And that is what this film is..... The Sun watching a group of tiny entities walk into a home of disenfranchised freaks and getting eaten.

[@JBJB-uk7xu]

I've never watched any of the remakes, sequels or prequels of this movie. I don't want it explained to me how the family got to be how they were. It takes away the mystery of the first film.

[@avalangrin4904]

If you can get them, can you review two movies made from Clive Barker stories: Rawhead Rex and The Midnight Meat Train.

[@mrnaughtycat]

In one scene they cut her for real and when the chainsaw maniac kills the guy in the wheelchair scene she said it still scares her to this day it was on a tv program

[@HomeboyUnholy]

This movie tops Halloween without having the benefit of coming after Halloween

[@theshapeeternal_8388]

I've actually heard Gunnar Hansen say in one commentary, that the hammer was paper mache.

[@marcfield1234]

Your imagination just runs wild with this film. You don't see anything but you would swear to god that you did.

[@HomeboyUnholy]

Lol as I read this the clip where the hitchhiker gets ran over by the semi played.. LMAO

[@GamerWho]

TCM III has a young Vigo Mortensen too

[@spencerglover1]

Utterly Horrifying and Beautiful at the same time, the people who see it the way it was meant to be taken in realise what a genuinely horrifying nightmare of a creation it was, Gunnar Hansen was amazing as Leatherface , a nightmarish abomination of a human being, how strange he moved and the bizarre noises he made, utterly horrifying.

[@jordonfletcher8166]

Welcome to the family, son

[@theflyingguillotine3788]

Look what you did to the door!

[@Knifeguyyy]

Definitely on my top ten list of all time.

[@hewhowalksbehindrows]

This movie taught me a good lesson that is not to go on to a strangers property let alone in to the house with out being invited in.

[@kramalerav]

Yeah, those hippies were indeed trespassing now that I think about it. It’s funny how Franklin called the hitchhiker Dracula. But even vampires don’t enter someone’s home without being first invited!

[@davydevilution7297]

Excellent Review, guys!

[@ChristieKanemetalbarbie]

Awesome! another gr8 review guys!

[@matthias_samahl1266]

Bravo. What a great homage to such a fantastic film! I love the realism you feel in this movie, like Michael Myers its a real man, sure it's a very strong huge man, but still just a man. Absolutely terrifying.

[@volzman2172]

Tucker and Dale vs Evil needs to be reviewed

[@BaskiHighT]

I love watching you guys ! used to hate reviews ! thnx !

[@andrewhesketh5898]

Excellent review chaps.....as always. I remember watching this when I was 11 and it scared me but like Gary mentioned in the review...I only got the full impact of the horror on second viewing about 10 years later!! Its a classic.......Is there a review of The Hills Have Eyes in the works?

[@rosemaryfarell5264]

What I love about this film is that Leatherface is as Scared of the Teens as they are of him. They are invading his home so he just Foes what wed all do. The way hes abused and treated as House Mum always had me Howling. First time I saw this I was 18 and it was 1999, it was an experience. I was half Disturbed half pissing my self laughing especially ehen the older brother starts smacking her with the broom in the car.pmsl

[@bouillonjules2]

It's the carcophony of sound just afterafter leatherface gets the girl, then places her on the hook.... that's what is truly terrifying.... I'd wish I was dead at that point.... really horrifying 😱!! Wow....I did not know anything about the rotting corpses and stuff.... and all the other stuff regarding the actors.... bloody Nora!! Excellent review again. Thanks, guys 👍!!

[@staffzx]

As St. Patrick's day is next week, I want Off the Shelf Reviews to review Leprechaun the horror movie

[@starblue6tv]

I was born in 2002 and I would rather watch JAWS(which I have) then a modern shark movie

[@dejabu24]

Cullen Mitchell if you are that young and watching this channel you are probably on the minority

[@SECRETARIATguy224]

Good for you!

[@NelsonStJames]

Most independent filmmakers today don't have close to the dedication of independent filmmakers back then. I'm pretty sure if Toby Hooper had tried to make TCSM today, not only would he have had trouble finding the cast and crew willing to do it, but it would have cost exponentially more, and that's even with the new digital technology.

[@bentramer682]

I would do anything that those actors hated if i knew i would help create a film as good as this

[@majorccunliffe4662]

very early 2000's bedsit..mushrooms..few mates...mind chain sawed ..loved it..turned my head back to nephilim samples on dawn razor..and many other

[@kenhammscousin4716]

Yea the bit about the guy saying the dinner scene was worse than his time in Vietnam... I’m pretty sure he was just comparing the atmosphere, temperature, smell and etc:. That Vietnam wasn’t as bad

[@packersfaninvegas]

I love your reviews guys u earned my subscription 👍

[@nolimitsamputee5219]

Guys please review Amityville Horror original version. VHS would be fun too. Can't wait

[@ieatmoths1003]

I would really like to hear what you guys have to say about the films that followed this one, with reviews of their own.

[@AlexaExtraordinaire]

It's quite interesting that Texas Chainsaw, The Exorcist and Carrie are hysterically funny in parts, almost verging on camp. Were they always that funny or have we distanced ourselves from the 70's horror over time?

[@eduardo_corrochio]

I imagine that (except in "The Exorcist" whose only light moments come in the form of Det. Kinderman's movie buff dialogue) there is intentional comic relief in the films; I mean, annoying Franklin flying down the hill in his wheelchair is slapstick that the 1970's Inspector Clousea movies would be envious of having. Some horror flicks inject comedy to give the audience a little respite from the buildup and the intensity. Just my hunch. "Carrie", for instance: the tuxedo shop sequence is a scream with the wacky synth music and the sped up film/sound. Also, "The Exorcist" has parts that were heavily parodied over the years, and because of that we find the head spinning and the vomit funny.

[@Stereostupid]

I've never seen this movie just bits and pieces I have seen most all the sequels love 2&3 .next-generation was decent the remake 2003 was really good but after that shite gonna go back and watch the original I really like Tobe Hooper underrated master for sure

[@gnc623]

15:28 - 15:38 Gary's like, "Oh no, what's Iain going to say?"

[@marcfield1234]

In 1974 sombody reved up a chain saw and the world will never be the same again.

[@CDubya.82]

I’ll be on the Exorcist fan list over this but that doesn’t mean this movie doesn’t leave you so unsettled and horrified at what you just seen.

[@brianmeen2158]

Love this review. The Texas chainsaw massacre has a rawness that simply cannot be matched . You can feel the heat and isolation .. oh and the ending is perfect Btw I’d love to see you guys review Texas chainsaw massacre 2 even though I think it’s one of the most disappointing sequels in movie history

[@gtviper1158]

You guys should do Drive next

[@Grandmastergav86]

Three best mainstream horror films, TCM, The Shining and the definitive slasher film Black Christmas. Ed Gein was also the inspiration for Hitchcock to make Psycho. Also other Hooper films worth watching Eaten Alive and the awesome Lifeforce

[@kramalerav]

The Five Best Horror Films are as follows: 1. The Exorcist 2. Jacob’s Ladder 3. The Thing (1982) 4. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 5. Suspiria

[@jackcraven2266]

Great review of classic horror film guys! Personally, i love TCM 2 and i don't mind Leatherface and remake, but other sequels are really bad IMO, and knowing that newest film is shelved at this time... doesn't sounds like it will be any better.