The TLR-7 Isnt a Duty Light.

Hey KZbin, heres a little PSA previously seen on the Sage Patreon. If you are interested in all new and exclusive content, you cant find it there. Patreon.com/sagedynamics

[@permianpractical]

I'm puking and crying and thrashing around because he doesn't think my light is good enough for duty use

[@newerest1]

My day is ruined 😭😭

[@MultiSycorax]

I'm literally crying rn 😢😢😢😢😢

[@nwfreefly]

I’m considering suing Aaron for pain and suffering. This kind of verbal violence will not stand. Stand with me in solidarity! 👊🏽

[@why6212]

My disappointment is immeasurable

[@tsafa]

😂😂😂😂😊

[@ryanmoore5237]

Tlr7 a isn’t a duty light?!? Now I need something more robust when I go to the office for my 9-5

[@TommyTombstone]

Weird concept: maybe he wasn't talking to you

[@ryanmoore5237]

⁠​⁠@@TommyTombstoneweird concept: maybe it was a joke, considering I have a job that doesn’t require a firearm so it really doesn’t matter if I have a “duty light” or not Another weird concept: who said I was taking to you

[@RimfireAddicted70]

The comparison of lights with different background lighting explains things better than any words can, excellent demonstration. This video really hits the point that all tools are not alike and the fact of you need to know what the numbers mean.

[@randolphcirilo4800]

Wow .. that scenario with headlights behind him or hos beside the car with headlights on really sent this message home! I understand the problem clearly! Very cool job man..

[@justinm.791]

@SageDynamics Fantastic video, thanks for taking the time to include the examples... was truly eye opening. I EDC appendix carry the TLR7 on my G17 and will be looking at the Turbo for my G34 nightstand gun.

[@glassmw9823]

Super helpful for law enforcement! And for specific use cases for us civies, too

[@Blankford777]

For some reason the clips of Aaron repeatedly taking a phone, gun and knife out of his pockets just cracked me up.

[@RobotPanda15]

Glad you posted this to YT as well 😂 definitely been interesting trying to explain this to dudes who are hard-set on using the TLR-7 for duty carry

[@LWRoad]

Silhouette and PID, excellent and much needed PSA, thanks for sharing

[@NavYblu99]

Appreciate the content. Hope you and yours are well.

[@rev2505]

I would love it if they put the TLR-7 switches on the TLR1 or the X300.

[@BriefingCobra]

Have you tried the ARC enhanced switches by PHLSTER? They work well on my X300U, for me at least.

[@douglasshouganai2516]

I agree. I love the TLR7a controls and have grown to loathe the TLR1 in comparison. I wonder if the TLR9 has the same candela issues

[@musicman1eanda]

THIS! I actually sold my X300 just because my hands were too small to reach the switches well.

[@paulbrower1812]

100% agree tlr 7 has the best switches. I can’t stand the switches on my x300

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

@@douglasshouganai2516 It's still half the candela of a TLR-1 HL, unfortunately.

[@tizben]

My life has no meaning now that sage dynamics has not approved my weapon light 😔. I wish there were more options

[@NavYblu99]

What do you mean more options? If you're carrying an OWB duty weapon you have numerous higher output options.

[@tizben]

@@NavYblu99 flush ccw optiond

[@NavYblu99]

@@tizben Your carry gun isnt a duty gun. It's a carry gun. The video is about TLR7s on duty guns.

[@thesmirkingwolf]

​@tizben that's a carry gun, bro. it's perfectly fine for that. You're not performing traffic stops at 2 in the morning.

[@tizben]

You guys are right

[@jeremyallen1260]

Great backlighting visuals to back up the data! Very useful!

[@feed_defend_evolve]

Your beam comparisons with REAL WORLDish light conditions is HUGE! Nobody else is doing this content 🤙🏽🤙🏽🙏🏽

[@resolute123]

You gave me a lot to think about. Thanks!

[@CrazyLegz72]

Thanks for the PSA Aaron!

[@alfredrobinson184]

Great video. I wanted to get a TLR7A for duty just to have a smaller holster. More comfortable when sitting in a patrol car. Decided against it when I read more about the lock out feature engaging while in the holster. Agencies issuing the light are experiencing this. I’ll stick with the TLR 1 HL and X300.

[@mikebrown4433]

Drops a video just to show us what we’re missing. Two thumbs up! 😊😊

[@86keen]

I agree with Aaron. I have a TLR-7sub that is on a Staccato Cs for off duty carry. My duty weapon a Staccato P runs a x300-T

[@MiamiVice.]

That's a expensive duty/off-duty pair. I'm envious.

[@jakemunoz2946]

I recently had a comment about my duty light on my duty carry which is the TLR7. Your explanation is really good. Thank you.

[@CodyU571]

This was a great video with great examplea shown, thank you!

[@BradkEDC9]

Thank you Aaron, this video was sent to a few people I know immediately!!!

[@MeliorStrategic]

The Coast Guard recently selected the TLR-7A for duty use and I immediately came to the same conclusion.

[@crey5561]

For who DSF or the whole fleet?

[@ajsomp]

@@crey5561 fleet use. DSF is still separate

[@crey5561]

@@ajsomp how the hell are they going to get all those crayon eaters to go through a low light course? It was hard enough to get range time as is, I wonder what there plan is.

[@ajsomp]

@@crey5561 my guess is that it won’t be part of the live fire course, and will be somehow encapsulated as a recurring LE task.

[@SmokesKwazukii]

kinda wild. i would expect their specifications to be insane

[@richieb3356]

One of the better tests i've seen on YT.

[@erikchristopherson9700]

You make the best light oriented content. Great video!

[@chrits3396]

Thanks for testing the range of this light. I can imagine the positive identification of what's in someone hands can mean life or death for a cop.

[@aznmike4883]

Lol, it's funny you release this video. I just watched Renfield where I'm pretty sure the female officer has a TL7 on her duty pistol.

[@mikegipson295]

Miss your great equipment reviews. Keep throwing us an occasional bone!

[@chipott3705]

All 1811s in training at FLETC are issued a P320 3.9 inch barrel, with a Romeo 1 Pro TLR-7. That setup becomes their duty/carry weapon system.

[@bustacapp359]

Which agency are you speaking of?

[@Boogitywoogity69]

@@bustacapp359he said 1811 which would be a special agent for any agency. So I’m assuming all of them

[@MellowFellowOfYellow]

@@Boogitywoogity69nah. P320 with Romeo is HSI all day. IRS-CI goes to FLETC but issues Glocks for example

[@bustacapp359]

@@MellowFellowOfYellow ATF as well!

[@GetxThumbs]

Yo Arron! Looking good, glad to see you back in shape 🎉

[@k9rka489]

I used it during a low light class. From just shooting and holstering, the bezel rotated and deactivated the light. I’m glad I found out in a training environment and not on duty. TLR1HL went back on the G19.

[@sincityguns3460]

Same thing happens to mine after about 50 rounds.

[@echo_research_and_development]

While I may not disagree with everything you said, let's keep things in perspective. Would more light be better in a number of circumstances? Sure. However, we cannot expect a light to be bright enough to solve all problems either. Sometimes when I experiment clearing indoors, a 1000 lumen light bouncing on things in front of me, or even bouncing off objects I want to see glares too much at times, especially considering that these are types that only has one brightness settings and usually used in situation not calm enough to fiddle wiht brightness settings. I started with an X200, and then switched to X300 soon after it came out. TLR7 has multiple times output compared to those. Sure, X300 Ultra might be twice as bright and even more intense in candela. However, these things tend to keep leap frog. I say there is a fat chance that TLR7 is brighter than about half of X300 models currently on law enforcement officer's guns which those officers purchased many years ago. Not every cops go buy the latest and greatest, and it is not like an old model X300 with not even 200 lumes is better for no other reason that it is a Surefire. But, I don't see anyone urging cops to replace the old X300. Okay, maybe you might. And, it is not always about brightness. I find it not practical to flip down the bad flip up-down switch design of the X300 if I need to shoot one haded with any reasonable degree of ease. While I do appreciate Surefire's reliability and toughness, ergonomic or other area wise, it is a company that is pathetic in terms of innovation. I am not even talking about something mindblowing. Even in simple things like a better switch design, there is very little improvement in anything from them.

[@DB.KOOPER]

I run a pair of TLR7s on my 9mm and 10mm carry guns. I have no experience with being "on duty" and I trust your experience on that greatly, but for me using it for CCW and backcountry carry in the dark woods it works _for me_ . I also carry a secondary flashlight that has a lot more horsepower so I have light. Great video man, thanks as always.

[@asphaltannihilator157]

So what you’re saying is you don’t use it for duty and therefore have no opinion on its duty capabilities? Weird comment lol

[@dsbiddle]

@@asphaltannihilator157that’s his comment on what works for him and his needs. Don’t be a needless asshole

[@SIUDubFiend]

He’s saying that he has two and they both work just great. He uses them for ccw and back country carrying, but doesn’t think that’s “duty”

[@ElevatedAgenda]

​@@asphaltannihilator157 the irony...

[@faltomjager5823]

And that’s great! I have one that I use for a fun gun, because all of my guns have a light. A home Defense or CCW, the TLR-7 makes perfect sense, as you either have limited ambient light in home, or compactness in a CCW roll

[@czjunky2045]

Thank you for sharing on KZbin

[@RandoBox]

Where is the "duty ready" montage??

[@rustyshackleford4438]

I just did a night shoot a used a tlr7a on my concealed carry 19. I am definitely trading performance for comfort of appendix carry. When my rifle setup is 100% then ill spend them money on a sure fire. I will say your not comparing apples to apples. I appreciate the videos you make because i truely do trust your opinions and value the knowledge you share.

[@ClodiusP]

The video examples were excellent. You proved your case.

[@ohreally...]

Thank you for making this comparison. It has brought things to my attention, that I never thought of. Respect. *edit to 7:00 ish comment. Civillians could come under situations where the TLR-7 isn't enough for the same reasons. If I do get one, I'll keep it for home use. I carry 4 magazines not for more ammo, but for failures.

[@SmokesKwazukii]

could you do a demonstration on concealing larger a wml and/or larger pistols effectively? maybe on different body types if you could? maybe you already have and i could look. but i’d like to see your thoughts on concealing these bulkier items and maybe concealing other items as well like TQs or fixed blades or backup pistols. im gonna look through ur backlog, really appreciate your perspective and knowledge on these subjects!

[@range.therapist]

Are you going to do your normal review process on the new Holosun 507 Comp?

[@jerryg855]

As a civilian, my question to an officer or anyone using a light for duty purposes would be, shouldn’t you not be using this light in some of the ways you mentioned. Such as in a nighttime traffic stop. Because then you just pointed your firearm at a potentially innocent person. Shouldn’t the gun only be aimed at someone when a real threat is posed. Therefore a regular flashlight in an opposing hand is the proper method? Asking this question honestly. Not sure what the proper legal use of a weapon light is in these instances

[@TheWhiteboy40]

Great info= knowledge & that's helpful.

[@joshuasmidt8595]

my first pistol light was a tlr-1hl along with a knock off one and within 50 yards its hard to tell which is more powerful. I snagged a tlr7a on a pawnshop find recently and immediately was thinking exactly what you have said and shown here.

[@sootynukkels8366]

Came into this vid thinking critical thoughts but you landed the point home hard on this one with great b roll to show your points as you were making them. Great vid and explanation.

[@cohesive3482]

No weapon light would have met this criteria 10 years ago. Yet, people used them on duty. 🤷‍♂️

[@JamalHenderson205]

Which video posted discussing the need or lack of need for a light on your firearm?

[@TantoBrownBear]

TLR-7A on my concealed carry glock 19. TLR-1 HL on my work gun. Has worked out well for the past handful of years.

[@MR.G-417]

Agree 100% this is a great light for concealed carry. Most if not all my concealed carry guns have this light. LAPD is issuing this light with the FN 509. Don't think it's a duty light at all.

[@nateb9346]

Or a duty gun

[@Bless3dWithACurse]

It's because the new approved level 3 holster is only compatible with the tlr 7.

[@Tact1123]

Thanks, Aaron, I've been seeing a lot of these Tlr7's lately on duty weapons. Granted, the x300 are big, but you have more power and also in case you have to get someone off you in a split second !!!

[@omardevonlittle3817]

*gargle sounds intensify*

[@p51mustang24]

The TLR-1 HL is noticeably shorter than the X300. The x300ultra and tlr-1HL are very close in performance, with the x300ultra maybe being a touch better. The x300turbo has crazy high candela, but you sacrifice a lot of flood to get it.

[@gc5Hayward]

Well said. Thank you 👍🏾

[@TheLordNoodles]

I’m going broke buying lights

[@raftika1]

Thank you for this information

[@NDSTRUCTIBLE1]

For my Glock 45MOS carry I went with a SureFire X300T-B changed it from the X300U-B and a Trijicon RMR Type 2 1MOA On my Glock 19X I had some Additions made Slide had Glock Gen5 for serrations added and milled to run Heinie suppressor height Straight Eight sights with Trijicon RMR RM06 3.25 MOA. I added SLR Magwell to it also. Then I added a SilencerCo threaded barrel with a SureFire Ryder 9 TI2. I had a stipple job done and added a Johnny Glock Combat OEM trigger. The weaponlight is a SureFire X400V-B with an ARES Tactical holster on a Safariland QLS setup. For my Glock 19MOS CCW the difference is I use a SureFire XC2-B and I use a Blackpoint Tactical Mini Wing Light Mounted holster. Also no milling of any kind since its MOS and has the front serrations. When I used a Glock 22 and 17 I used SureFire X300U-B.

[@agcatdriver]

Pretty sure the TLR7 wasn’t ever intended to be a “duty” light and has NEVER been marketed as such. Most anyone with any common sense knows this.

[@ja0298]

I think there is universal trend that there will always be someone in an administration who just doesn’t have common sense.

[@TheTyrial86]

I wonder if there would need to be a discussion on what a CCW holder should look for, and if a duty light would suit their needs. Because, I could see the problems in what you demonstrated as also being problems in what a CCW might face also.

[@um4668]

No because wml's aren't really needed in ccw shootings

[@NSav10137]

I’ve also heard way to many TLR1s suffering the same flaw, and that’s the back hatch breaking off. Happened to mine too

[@miletello1]

Agree 100%. I only went to the 7a when i went to investigations.

[@tvela595]

when are we getting a review on the pulse rifle??

[@jdemun]

When is the M41-A Pulse Rifle review coming out?

[@fariseom-ue8jd]

Any recommendations for people with Glock 22 Gen3 as I have heard there are malfunctions with mounted lights? Others say to change the coils in the mags or use heavier ammo (gr). Suggestions Streamlight tlr7x or Surefire x3000 turbo for Glock 22 Gen3???

[@CM-wo2jq]

Good analysis. I have a 7a on my G19 for bedside duty. Its a good fit for inside my home. If if I strap on a belt (duty belt or war belt) I'd want a 1-HL or X300. Seems like aesthetics > function still rule the day...or wallet.

[@JadedGLORY2689]

Hey Aaron, have you seen the Hellfire Pistol Sight Set from Mak Optics? I was looking for irons for my Glock and ran into these on OpticsPlanet. You should review them.

[@ThomasThePanzerTank]

I tried using it for a while for my edc, and wasn’t too much of a fan. I had previously used the TLR6 on my Shield for a few years so I was initially really stoked about going from about 100 lumens to 500. However, I live in relatively urban area and ambient light was really making me feel uneasy about it’s performance. I sold my shield for a mid frame and upgraded to carrying a TLR1. I still have the 7, however I’m keeping it on my home defense gun where most likely it’ll be used in low light and if there is an engagement, it won’t be beyond 10 yards.

[@robertfoote3255]

Still here, still subbed, still liking and pushing the signal to the masses. 😎

[@anthonywyma6232]

Love the holster, i think its going to be the go due to the axon product that turns the body cam on. Just got the holster and first thing i checked was if the TLR 1 HL fit and nope it didnt which is backwards to me

[@justinroberts1290]

Curious on your thoughts on the sig foxtrot 2. Their electronics department seems to be a new animal these days

[@flyingwangwang]

Thanks Aaron

[@DJ_Driven]

What's the barrel specs on that scar?

[@tylerfrogley1227]

Hmmmm so will the market then work to deliver a compact profile weapon light that IS duty rated in terms of output?

[@oldannyboy37]

Swapped from a TLR 7 to a TLR 1 HL for the very performance reasons you listed. It's not even the brightest/most candela on the market, and it's still a huge improvement. The extra weight and bulk on my 19 are hardly noticeable carried AIWB.

[@p51mustang24]

Slide/light length really doesn’t matter for AIWB until it’s long enough to impede leg rotation. Most people can fit a full length slide no problem. The longer slide may even help push the grip into your body.

[@SteaminPile]

Thank you!!

[@MrSimmons8492]

I see that M41A. When are we getting a review?

[@BrandensOutdoorChannel]

What about for airport LE duties? My issued duty weapon is a G19 and we carry it on/off duty.

[@pudddinounder]

M41A Pulse Rifle in the intro...I love it

[@chopers49]

What better options are there for a G43X?

[@ShawnHinck]

It makes zero sense to neuter a light on a duty gun when the things it does well aren’t a limitation on a duty gun….

[@FitnFire]

*tapes Mag-Lite S6D016 to my Glock 26

[@bennyboy27or]

It does make for a smaller duty holester which is more comfortable in the car. (It wasn't my decision to go with it, i just get what im getting)

[@CannonCountry]

What is your edc? G19? 19x?

[@Infidel92x]

I’m a bail agent/fugitive recovery. All I do is hit houses/locations looking for wanted individuals. My hellcat pro is equipped with a TLR7 SUB and a 407k optic paired with night fision optic ready night sights. Works great for me

[@alrbredwall]

Because you are using a small gun. Small guns get small lights. Your setup would not be appropriate for patrol use.

[@jamesii7]

What sights cowitness the romeo2?

[@stephencooper5040]

Sound logic sir, well stated.

[@Hyak124]

Please do a review on the nightstick twm 30

[@freeandcriticalthinker4431]

Aaron, I am correct in saying the TLR-7Sub is currently the only light that will fit on the Sig P365 due to its propriety rail design? Thanks much , as I figured you probably know. Cheers!

[@1GruntZPOV]

The turbo does not have a lot of flood that demonstration you did really showed me the importance of flood.

[@Osprey1994]

My rule: The bigger the gun, the bigger the light. PS. The TLR7 does appear to have diffuser over the LED. If you look at it side by side with a TLR1 you can see what I am talking about. I would be very curious how the light would behave without that. As for CCW purposes, the light is there for more than one reason. Yes it provides you with light to see a target, but it also serves as a way of preventing your pistol from being pressed out of battery. Now when you bump up to the compact 4" pistol you need to consider a TLR1 or TLR1 HL as the TLR7 isn't going to jut out enough. Just a little food for thought. Of course there are pros and cons to everything. If you like the handheld only life then more power to you. At the end of the day it's up to the individual to decide why they want to incorporate somwthing into their system.

[@asomeguy3000]

It’s not a diffuser, it’s part of the TIR collimating array. The thing you see covering the led is actually to redirect stray light from the led back down to the main reflector.

[@emanuelhoyos1030]

Finally a person with some sense; I’ll never understand seeing dudes with tlr7s on glock 17/19 sized guns. 4” and above gets an x300 or tlr1, or modlite if you swing that way.

[@0fficer47]

Agreed, i made the switch to a surefire x300u turbo when it came out from a tlr7a and i came to the same reasoning. Before the 7a, i had a tlr1HL. Love the output and strobe but the footprint and output would blind you on white walls or background.

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

the sure fire x300 doesn't blind you on white walls?

[@whiskeyonetwoactual1116]

Great vid

[@SlappingCheeks]

The problem is Safariland, we have HK VP9’s, if we want an optic & a level 3 holster, we have to run the TLR7 or XC1. Safariland needs to make molds for duty lights not micro lights.

[@BanditApache-nd6lu]

That’s correct. It is a concealed carry light and that’s why it was made and sold thousands.

[@mikevarnerzski]

Good to see you back in the land of the poors. Miss watching your stuff on a regular basis.

[@levet1797]

The 7 has a place on my normal work carry gun because it's small and my workplace doesn't let us carry. Any other time the normal pistol comes out with a full size light.

[@warweaponx6629]

Love the tlr7 on my CCW. Wish SF would update the switch on the x300T to be more like the Streamlight.

[@jw5297]

Nooooo I love the surefire switch operation. I wish stream light would make their switch like SF

[@PnP-td1mt]

Seems to be several comments stating certain departments are issued X gun with X light and cannot use anything else… What departments in what states? I find it odd that departments still exists or have policies that limit the use of your own ppe….?

[@grilin18.]

wish more people made holsters for the tlr9 as it keeps the great switches from the 7 but has 1000 lumens and while not as good as the x300u, its close. A turbo style revision on both tlrs would also be great.

[@blakeg7972]

It also runs off of a 16650

[@J.Wick.]

YES. Love my TLR9. But definitely tough to find a holster. Even for a Glock. Damn near impossible for an M&P, and that's my preference. 9 deserves more love for sure.

[@xsweetxvampirousx]

Well stated. I would feel really bad for departments that are issued a tlr7 for non-concealed roles

[@MichaelTravis12c27]

There is also a trend toward coupling the smaller lights with duty holsters that have a more compact opening. Sig and Aliengear just released a new duty holster that specifies the use of the TLR7/Foxtrot2. It prevents access to the trigger while holstered. I believe Safariland has done the same thing with their new SafariVault holster. That doesn’t negate the deficiencies of the smaller lights, but it’s a trend based on a perceived need, not cosmetics.

[@ja0298]

I wonder how much of that trend is from actual demand from duty personnel, or from the perceived demand based on social media trends.

[@MichaelTravis12c27]

@@ja0298 at least on the Sig/Aliengear partnership, it is, in part, an attempt to restrict access to the trigger while the gun is holstered. It’s one of the areas that has been identified as contributing to the “my gun went off all by itself” phenomenon. At least that was what I was told by my Sig Representative.

[@user-zv3wr5wx3o]

Now I know I’m late to the party watching this video, but this light is incredibly popular for people who concealed carry due to its small footprint in conjunction with holster comparability, we should also consider the fact that not all threats are gonna be up close and personal, I currently run this light on my carry gun, now I’m considering changing that after watching this video!

[@Kross8761]

You may have reviewed this already for your patreon subscribers, but id be super curious to know your thoughts on the sig foxtrot 2r. It's got a lower lumen count than most full size lights, but a higher candela rating than a lot of "duty" lights. It seems like its trying to be a mini (and i mean mini) PLHv2 for guns like the G43x/G48 and p365 series (afaik it's the highest candela offering that fits that size profile by a fairly large margin)

[@MiamiVice.]

Honest assessment. I carry a pistol with a TLR-7A. It's an excellent light for it's size, but the lights on my larger non-conceal carry pistols are SureFire X300s. For what it's worth, I have drop tested the TLR-7A on concrete. It passed.