The "Tower" in Tower of God

[@eralherdem7160]

The only anomaly in this Theory is Rachel. Why does she wants to go into the Tower to see the Stars if she was "above ground" before entering?

[@emiliansznajdrowski7742]

We have no idea what is outside the tower, Rachel and Bam came from outside but we don’t know what that really is she could’ve lived in a cave for all we know, it’ll all probably be revealed later in the story

[@aymericschneider628]

I had the same theory, the fact that the tower is upside down, for a simple reason : shinsu density. It would make so much sense that it increases and becomes unbearable for most people on the highest floors

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

And it's working with ocean theme

[@Vladislav888]

>shinsu density Same. I didn't think that the next level is an exit, though. I think that the Tower is infinite and the only way to leave is a floor 1.

[@doncleckner9308]

That's also something I had been thinking about for quite some time. It's interesting and gratifying to see that others in the community are drawing similar conclusions without outside influences.

[@aarav7851]

Same but when I presented that theory to other fans no one believed me and I was ridiculed

[@theeyeofomnipotent]

​@@aarav7851 waw, though the community is not made around open mindedness, "to consider anything no matter how implausible(don't be lazy) and systematicly analyze it, and thats how we proof or disproof it" hehe, also ridiculing people just from their ideas is pretty immature, non empatical, non compassionate, well you get the idea, as ideas are not identities and we shouldn't attach it as such(neither to ourselves nor other people). But without other information, i don't know if this is the exact cause of your ridicule, maybe it's because the way you argue, maybe it's because how it is presented, maybe it's the aforementioned attachment to identity, maybe your just unlucky and present it to the wrong people, I cannot be sure As the burden of proof is on us, where we are the ones that made such "extraordinary claims", we cannot expect them to believe it, of course this is quite tiring and we probably need some help, but without it our understanding of the universe wouldn't be so vast, And by the way, you all be so passionate about arguing for a piece of fiction hahaha Have a fulfilling day

[@Rex73777]

You mentioned the tower of babel where everybody has speak different languages. Well, everybody does speak different languages. The only way they’re all able to communicate is via the pockets. Its something easy to forget, since it happened in the first chapter, and hasn’t been mentioned since.

[@demibyte]

True, been a while since I thought of that. Through it would be more accurate to say that they could be speaking different languages. The pocket translates everything to Macsethian I wonder how common it is for that to be someones native language? Actually is kinda interesting just thinking about how languages persist in a world with a universal translator as powerful as a pocket. Guess it's mostly the fact that only regulars have pockets that even giver language meaning. This reminds me of another detail actually, how was Rachel able to understand Bam/Yuri/Evan conversation on the first floor? Headon didn't give her a pocket before Bam showed up did he? Also evidently Headon is either able to speak whatever language Rachel taught Bam on the outside or he has an auto translate built in or something, he is a God I guess so no big deal. Finally it just occurred to me that if pockets only translate incoming speech for its' user than wandering around parts of the outer tower on floors where they have their own language must still come with a lot of potential communication challenges. I mean you might be able to understand any natives just fine but they wouldn't be able to understand to right?

[@Urekyu]

damn you beat me too it lol

[@leafdragoon8551]

I think it was implied that Rachel couldn't hear what they were saying from behind the glass since then they would be able hear her.@@demibyte

[@leafdragoon8551]

Also, when Shibisu's team went to the 49th floor to find Woon Yeon so they could resurrect Khun Evan Edrok manually translated the local language for them.@@demibyte

[@vangelisgru7271]

How do pockets exist even as a newbie entered i to the tower.

[@kiyoshi3002]

“Even paradise is a prison when you cannot leave.” I think that’s quite fitting here.

[@christopherarenas1115]

Maybe the true Tower is the friends we made along the way

[@blazeupp343]

Ohh man if that happened I would kms

[@patrik7716]

Friendship always saves the day

[@blankenator62]

What if the punishment for making the tower is that God flipped it upside-down in an ocean of shinsu. That would explain why as you go up, the shinsu pressure increases, just like how water pressure increases as you dive.

[@drbonehead]

Love this idea

[@leszeksykacz5929]

No,shinsu is controled by administrators

[@demibyte]

One issue I see with this is that Shinsu density doesn't increase linearly with according to your floor. We see that Yuri and party encounter Shinsu that everyone but Yuri consider to be completely excessive in the middle area between floors 1 and 2 and they are all rankers. We also see environmental shinsu of vastly different densities within the same floor all the time in the story. Then there is also Urek and what he has implied. Unless I'm misremembering we are told that Shinsu is only something found in the tower which would make it hard for there to be an Ocean of the stuff to dunk it in.

[@frantavanecek5186]

@@demibyte we are told that shinsu is only in tower but residents of the towr doesnt know what is outside so it could be ocean :D

[@blankenator62]

@demibyte so, to explain how the shinsu pressure is not the same throughout a floor's inner area, middle area, and outer area like you would expect water pressure at a specific depth, the administrators may be responsible for manipulating the shinsu so that regulars can still tolerate it enough to climb and perform the tests. If they did this, then the pressure would be way lower in the inner area and then way more concentrated in the middle area. But as you "climb" to greater depths, all areas of a floor experience greater pressures.

[@rejahaddad1527]

The upside down also works with shinsu pressure. When you get 'higher' in the tower, the shinsu pressure increases, which doesn't make a ton of sense unless it's actually upside down and the weight of the tower above is creating the pressure.

[@renatoramos8834]

The weight of the shinsu, not the tower. Matter pressure increases as you go down.

[@TripleM24]

Imagine TOG ends with the main characters leaving the tower and SIU's next comic just picks up from there following a different cast but now we're in the world outside the tower. My mind is blown.

[@Serene0910]

Probably a TSU story

[@dylendye7410]

That's exactly what Code Vein 2 will be about if it ever happens :V

[@Berrhesworld]

Bam destroying the tower and leading everyone to new heights prob is exiting the tower for all and creating the one true god

[@Urekyu]

I mean if destroying the Tower led to the creation of many diverse languages...it's interesting one of the first things we learn about the Tower is pockets and "Macsethian" a language that everyone speaks. It makes me wonder if Macseth/Workshop is older than the Tower itself and may have played a role in either it's construction or building the civilization that created it.

[@infinitismal8251]

The Workshop exists outside the tower as well, so it's possible they played a part in its creation.

[@whatscookingoodlookin1]

What if the Tower is upside down like you said, but instead, the 2nd/1st Floor is the highest so when Regulars think their going “higher” up the Tower, their actually going lower. (I also like to think the Tower is underwater because the farther you go “up,” the more the pressure increases.) It be kinda symbolic since at the start you’d think the higher you go, the closer you are to your goals when in reality, your falling further and further away from the outside. The deeper you go the more trapped you are. Would also make sense why Bam fell into the Tower, or fell into the 1st Floor. Kinda fun to think about 😁

[@edenuuu]

its a good day when he posts a lore vid

[@left4hash317]

always I hope for more so relaxing

[@Skaterbless]

Fr

[@Aceofspades928]

Facts

[@dariusjohnson6013]

Amen love the TOG videos ❤

[@JM-us3fr]

My own theory is that the Tower is a virtual world, similar to the Hidden Floor. The fact that the Tower is many times the size of the Earth and all the magic and powers are suddenly explained if it is a virtual world. It would also explain why Irregulars are special, because they are the only beings who _actually_ exist, while everyone else is a virtual construct whose fate is decided by the programmers (possibly the Axes). It explains why the family heads think Urek is weird for hanging out with people of the Tower, and why Urek wants to leave. Also, if Jahad was fleeing something from the outside world, it would explain why he doesn't want to leave. I suspect what makes Bam so special is that he is a consciousness that came from the Tower originally, but was given a real physical form in the outside world; basically Pinochio has returned as a real boy. As for Rachel, she's just bad at video games and has a hard time gitting gud.

[@g_phantom_1252]

tower isn't virtual world in virtual world people have blood ? and they can get married ? lol irregulars have tons of childrens from the tower residents ... so tower isn't a virtual world ... its a domain more likely another dimension ... from the first episode we see that someones hand appeared and took baam inisde of the tower after hand touch baam he got teleported immediately and that hand was of hedon ... its not virtual world its real world but its locked dimension ...

[@EpicDiscovery]

A fusion of the 2 for me- I think the whole tower is Phantaminums story trying to find someone to make it all the way through, and whoever does becomes a new Axis. Jahad figured this out and doesn't want someone to pass for any number of reasons, but they could even make him sympathetic, like the whole tower will be destroyed once someone passed and he doesn't want that to happen

[@Berrhesworld]

The last floor will probably be a worthy thing that is why the family leaders stopped climbing because they are not worthy, and will lead to destroying the tower hence why bam is destined to climb it be worthy deatroy it and leading everyone to new heights aka for eveyone to exit it

[@DragonTigerGateMerchant]

I think a lot of these things you bring up are likely true. The tower being inverted especially because it fits the “ocean” theme. The deeper you go the deeper the pressure gets. But as for the second theory, it might be important. There is a Talse User Story where we see these two people that clean the outside of a massive and mysterious tower. They don’t know it’s purpose but there are multiple of them also. So I do think there is some axis relation. Personally I think Phanta might have created that Tower. I think the Towers might be how axis users are created. If you look at the irregulars and shinwonryu especially it is described as completely dominating a physical space. To me that sounds like a very mild precursor to the axis users ability to exert their will over things around them. What if irregulars are just people that are capable of becoming axis. From what we know of the TUS world it’s kind of crazy and chaotic and axis users are these monsters. Maybe Jahad was just afraid of leaving for the exact h reasons you said. But that he was specifically afraid of stronger axis users that he would encounter if he left. The main ‘issue’ I think I have with your theory is the way you framed irregulars and tower natives. Tower natives do not have the inherent right to climb. They can only climb because of the deal Jahad made. Irregulars are not aberrations in the inner tower. Irregular isn’t even a real term, it’s something Jahad invented after climbing to cast doubt. Irregulars are the ONLY people with the inherent right to be in the inner tower and climb. I also don’t think Arlene could have left the way you said. The rings and weapons already had been made with the key. I think Arlene didn’t really physically leave the tower. I think her “leaving” was just finding a way to die. She describes a place free from the admins and the contracts. I personally think the cave is the place she found. I think the cave is actually physically inside the tower but is somehow not bound by it’s rules at all, which is why Bam and Rachel could ‘enter’ the tower from the cave. I think Arlene killed herself in the cave. Maybe the spot on the wall with the three eyes even marked her grave. But I think that is how she “escaped” either way. Great theory overall though.

[@drbonehead]

Good points! But if Arlene never actually left the Tower the way her pocket describes, how did the “Outside God” revive him? Unless it wasn’t an outside god?

[@meichihiro6213]

@@drboneheadMaybe Bam wasn't even the real child of Arlene, like that lil boi on the Hidden Floor, Bam may have a twin, and the one we see now, is the twin, not the real Bam that got killed by Jahad (this is just random pop up idea so there is no evidence to back up, but it sounds fun to me =D)

[@meichihiro6213]

So the "Outside" Arlene enter maybe a mirror world to the Tower, or, she may had enter...the Hidden Floor.

[@DragonTigerGateMerchant]

@@drbonehead I have a pretty big theory about this. I think the cave is exists physically outside of the tower but is not connected to it in a more metaphysical sense so it is technically 'outside'. So the outside God can intervene there and only there. Its the reason Rachel kept him in the cave as well because its the only place you can 'open the door'. Also unrelated but I'm the guy who made the Hot-or-Not that Haku did. You mentioned it on stream and said you thought it was closed but it is still up and available for you (and your wife too once she catches up) if you ever want to do it for a video or on stream. My long term plans are to archive the old results when I add new characters and do it over again once a ton of new characters have appeared later on.

[@Name.she-her-hers]

I have always felt like the tower was some sort of training ground with the goal of creating an axis. It essentially helps irregulars grow and if they can reach the end they will be able to become one.

[@EpicDiscovery]

Yup I think so to! Phant came in to see why tf no one from that group of 12 made it through yet just to find sleeping zahad and left to go inject urek and baam

[@Name.she-her-hers]

@@EpicDiscovery EXACTLY!!!

[@Aegis_Paradise]

I’ve been thinking that the tower goes down deep into the underground for a while. Shinsu (Life’s water) density gets stronger as you climb the tower. You know what else gets stronger as you go deeper? Water pressure. Also, it just makes sense to me that the way out of the tower is on the first floor because normally nobody is able to go to the very first floor. Headon, an administrator, which are some of the strongest beings could block you from leaving pretty easily.

[@sasaki_73]

I think that it's a really cool theory! But I've been thinking: Gustang mentioned in the recent chapters about how Zahard locked the other floors, in plural. So there's probably more than one floor after the 134th.

[@koenigsraster37]

I heard this other theory where the Tower is so crazy big its basement goes straight through the diameter of the planet, piercing Earth's core. After the 135th floor it reaches the surface and there are doors and windows. Then the tower goes on, literally reaching the stars...

[@Serene0910]

The tower is atleast the size of Saturn or jupiter, it far bypasses earth

[@koenigsraster37]

@@Serene0910 Well, yeah. A quote from my post above: "Then the tower goes on, literally reaching the stars..." Also: This is just a theory about a work of fiction.

[@Ohwhin]

Since the floors are so big and we never see anyone just walk through a door, they’re always moving between floors with portals, I think each floor is like a terrarium. Each floor is a sealed environment with increasingly dense amounts of shinsu. It could look like the flat earth model but it’s many discs stacked on each other.

[@mrfancyshmancy]

For some reason i imagine the tower more like a very deep basement, mainly cus baam came from outside the tower, but still was under ground

[@Charlemagne57]

If you read translations of SIU's older works that he took off the internet and are hard to find, there are towers in them. And a Mayor guy who uses "phantoms" as a super power. And there are like thousands of Axes who all have superpowers that function kind of like writing their own stories. But they've found that as godlike beings they WANT to have a god over them. So they created like dozens of towers and put people in them all with the purpose of creating "god". With Baam being pretty much a reincarnated god who is trying to make his way up the tower and probably someday leave it I think he will then enter this greater universe afterwards as an Axis. I think Phantaminum is that local Mayor who is checking in on his tower project, likely for the purpose of chastising Jahad for closing up the top of the tower, but was somehow convinced by Jahad that this was a good thing so he left. I think other irregulars are people from that greater world who are lesser Axis using their powers to create stories within the tower instead of creating their own stories, this is why they're a threat to what the tower seeks to do. The story of the tower is a universe that creates a god, if that story get's mixed up in other things then it ceases to serve its purpose.

[@nathangonzales2661]

Bam starts alone, stacking a tower of rocks and climbing up to dots of light in the ceiling.. Rachael appears and informs Bam that there is more, but he is happy, Rachael is his star. Rachael leaves, Bam climbs, grows, reaches his star, and repeat. Constantly mirroring the story that she told him in the cave.

[@MDLSenju]

I love that 3rd theory I had the same idea about when reaching “the top” of the tower you would reach the outside but I had no idea how that would work but you literally just made it work with your theory and that would explain as to why the “higher” you climb the tower the more shinsu there is because it would be preparing the regulars for the amount of shinsu on the outside since there aren’t administrators controlling the density of shinsu outside also Jahad doesn’t want people to leave him just like how Arlen Grace and V left him at one point so if he keeps everyone in the tower maybe in his mind it’s like no one is leaving him idk about this last part I’m still on season 2 ep 268 chap 349 I’ve been trying to catch up

[@sabotage_my_o2748]

I had a reverse tower kind of thought in the sense that assuming the tower is a literal structure, the administrator with the most control/power should naturally be at the bottom of the structure, overseeing that the foundations stay in tact, so that the rest of the structure can be properly supported... so basically i imagine administrator rank/power/control to be inversely proportional to the floor number

[@jcm86]

So what if instead of being upside down, the tower is circular. Floor 135 is Floor 1 or at least attached. Like the Ouroboros. That way the door that opened for Bam when he first enters the Tower could be the exit route too?

[@drbonehead]

I like this too!

[@richierai1580]

In the TOG game after you progress quite alot and earn things called memory fragments which tell you more about the world of TOG and in one of the story they have a story where a brother and sister created beings in the world, the brother created the species and the sister created hugh creatures who were passive i believe, the brothers creations ask their god to help them against the creatures which the sister created as they were afraid because human nature and the brother being very empathetic with his creation gives them the power of sinsu which was said to be the power of god and the brothers creations build the tower to safeguard themselves from the sisters creations. The sister heard about this and angered that the power of god had fallen the the hands of lowly beings she ordered her creations to kill her brothers creations. It ends there amd I haven't found anything else related the it till today (just finished floor 12 today) I mean it could be nothing since it's a game and they could just put these things there but it was very interesting and it's not talked about anywhere so I just wanted to make it more known

[@Kaze91]

Im going to build on that theory. Its a prison but not necessarily the way youd think. Besides irregulars, people dont enter very powerful. They build themselves as they climb, to ranker and above after reaching the top. The reason youd have to go through the entire tower, is that the power you gained, would warp the outside world(besides axis, gods, etc.). If you could go back to where you entered, youd be as a god to them with how shinsu enhanced your body is. Another caveat, would be that there isnt shinsu outside the tower. So all tower climbers that are actually thousands of years old, could age rapidly and die without being immersed in the shinsu of the tower. So its a double edged sword. You enter and gain great power, but should you earn your way out and be proven worthy to leave, you realize you have to stay in the tower or lose alot of the perks that come with being in it. Maybe the true prize is wisdom and all the experiences and life lessons you couldnt have learned anywhere else and thats the only thing you can take with you. But that still would make you special in the world you came from before the tower. Maybe its a prison in more ways than one. Its all very interesting theories that could be the case. You earn the right to take this knowledge outside the prison just to realize that you lose almost everything to leave it. That could definitely ruin the tower and cause a full blown towee extinction event if they knew the truth. Maybe thats why it was sealed. So many options here lol. Maybe thats why the family heads all had their memories erased. So they wouldnt remember they are trapped here more than just physically. They would have to give up almost everything they ever gained while being in the tower. Maybe irregulars are the only people who can take their power with them after they cleared one of the other "Towers" and thats why they are as gods to normal tower inhabitants. The theory jar is infinite tbh.

[@Kaze91]

Arlene maybe had to give up her irregular status and she died soon after to grant Bam another chance. And thats why we dont know what happened after she left the tower. I should probly stop now, this could go on forever lol. We know so much about the Tower but actually so very little.

[@pepitochocolato489]

People built the tower to reach the true god. They were about to complete this goal but the true god or axis "Melt their wings" (imprisons them )... just like Icarus when he flies too close to the sun

[@billybob-uz6wz]

If it's like you say, and the 1st floor is on top, with the "highest" floor on the bottom of the Tower, it could be that the point of exit is very, very dangerous if it's like Impel Down from One Piece. Jahad might be keeping them in there to play King, or he might have gone out there and knows it's almost certain death, even for him, so he's guarding the exit. It could be that V and Arlene wanted to escape, putting lives in danger, while Jahad wanted to turn the prison into a Utopia so people wouldn't have to risk it all to leave.

[@maneebs]

Just recently found your channel and I'm stoked that there is such a huge TOG community! Keep up the great content 🙌

[@cynicalmandate]

Another way to see it as that the tower represents desire. Desire is, ultimately, bottomless. When you get one thing you end up wanting something else. The people that are in the tower are either drawn to it or trapped by their desires.

[@imiivestreamer]

I am christian myself and its such an amazing theory i would almost say its basically canon all the hints toward it. Im with you Joe!

[@Xiprus724]

As soon as you mentioned Adam I started screaming FIRST MAN!! THE FIRST MAN!!! It's a very interesting theory. I like the idea that the Tower is a trap, and I like the idea that even Regulars could reach the outside world assuming Zahard wasn't there to be a meanie >:( The fact that you can connect so much of this to Christianity is crazy, you're making a believer out of me man

[@mrptr9013]

Still, I believe the best clues are on the larger tales user universe, there is one where we see a lot of Towers and two people wondering what their purpose is. SIU hinted that phantaninum was different from other Axis, he dind't awaken by chance, and he also is one of the top 5 most powerful Axis. My bet is the Towers are Axis making experiments. Shinsu is a way to make potential Axis get used to the Axis field. There is also one story where an axis awakens and accidentally destroys his home planet.

[@jiayu-sama7989]

“You seem to be someone who performs Miracles, a Messiah perhaps? No, your true nature is not that” -White

[@Vaquita_Vibes]

interesting theory, looking forward to SIU story telling in future chs to see if any hints are dropped

[@jonny7444]

Maybe in 10 years

[@tpsspace7397]

I think the tower is upside down and the cave Bam and Rachel were in is on top of the tower, also the jahad symbols outside might make sense because maybe it’s people who escaped his rule and left the tower, maybe they left those symbols

[@a_2xg652]

I love this story just think that this is piece of a whole universe, makes me feel that this story is alive. 😅

[@ryanricciardelli7379]

They did mention though that the guardian on the next floor was particularly hostile. Which seems to imply that there is indeed a next floor with a guardian rather than the next floor just being the outside world

[@qrzone8167]

We know there's an outside before entering the tower, and that there is an outside or top of the tower once you fully beat the tower. This outside after beating the tower is also somehow fundamentally different than the outside before entering the tower. My personal theory is that the tower isn't really a tower, it's actually a metaphor for ascension. Perhaps the 'outside' of the tower before entering is the normal world and the outside at the 'top' of the tower is the realm of the gods. The tower itself is a crucible that forces its climbers to become powerful so that they can survive the conditions in the realm of the gods. Shinsu would also be denser at the top because that is where the gods reside. I think the first two theories are plausible, however the upside down tower theory is a bit lacking and unlikely because its just not good writing. If the tower is upside down, so what? It doesn't change anything at all. However if the tower is alive, or a storybook, or a god-maker, or whatever, there's room for writing in these theories. With a bit of tweaking I think the purgatory theory could be possible too. Considering that the administrators themselves create extremely violent trials I don't exactly think redemption is the goal the god set for whoever reaches the top of the tower. If we also consider that you're supposed to get a wish at the top of the tower, Jahad or any of the powerful people within the tower would have tried to proclaim themselves god or at least asked for immense power if they had the ability to reach the top of the tower since that is their nature.

[@Maryus981]

"Regulars" are literally made out of Shinsu (divine water), they breath it aswell. What if Jahad in his madness, wanted to protect them, by sealing the door, what happens with Shinsu in the outside world? Can they breathe? Can they even exist outside? After all, they are made out of Shinsu aswell.

[@Maryus981]

This aged like fine wine, damn. If you read the last chapters, we see the backstory of the adventurers (family heads/Baam's parents/Jahad) and they actually do start to realise that they are "sinners".

[@aronabraham4657]

Wow wow wow, bonehead that theory has to be accurate. I’ve never heard something so concise, please patent this amazing theory. You’re the best at what you do keep it up ❤ Also I noticed the Biblical messages when I saw the jahad mask. God’s omnipresence is deciphered as the ability to see and be everywhere just like the three eyes (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). It’s great to see something from 3 years back reappear.

[@jiayu-sama7989]

The “First Man” could be the guy that built a tower of stone to be with the stars from Rachel’s story that she told Baam

[@mateusisraelsilva5934]

To collaborate with the upside down tower theory, ever since starting ToG my head cannon was always something like “there are going down”, reason being the shinsu pressure. The higher the floor the higher the pressure, but that’s not how pressure usually works, without going to deep into physics, the pressure gets higher because of all the “weight” there’s above. So in the tower the shinsu pressure would be higher on higher floors because all of the shinsu in the lower floors, that are actually above them. I always imagined the tower going deep into the ocean, but never really elaborated anything further, so it’s cool that this part about the pressure can be used in your theory.

[@demibyte]

Interesting theory, especially the purgatory and religious potential aspects. I remain unconvinced by the upside down tower theory though. One piece of evidence that I wanted to address that I often see thrown around to support the theory (though you didn't) is the increasing Shinsu density as you go to higher (or lower) floors. The problem with this perspective is that Shinsu density is clearly non-uniform. We see in the middle area around floor one that there are places where even most rankers struggle to move. If Shinsu density really was just a matter of depth akin to water density this wouldn't be possible. Another bit of evidence that you didn't I noticed you didn't manage to incorporate is the fact that the weapons that the great family leaders brought in were originally vacuum weapons. There is also the question of where the family leaders (also Urek) entered from. I guess maybe they were space faring and so started at the top? but then what would have prevented them from just landing no the planet below them? Also what about Urek? Been a bit but didn't he describe the outside world as vast, open, full of rolling skies and stars? I suppose that is a fairly vauge description... maybe the outside world is space and not a planet? But then there is the whole scale issue. A floor of the outer tower is said to be continent sized. A physical tower containing this would be... comical.... at least thinking about it from the perspective of a planet like earth. You could invoke more sci-fi I guess and say it's a on a super earth (but then what's going on with the gravity). Or you could hand wave with magic and say it's bigger on the inside but at that point you might as well just say that the tower is some non-corporeal space for all the difference it makes. Personally I still think that the tower is probably some McKendree cylinder esq (but bigger, could even go Topopolis if you need) space based megastructure. It explains vacuum weapons, the relative inaccessibility of the tower (based on infrequency of irregulars popping in) and justifies the scale of the tower. It also potentially fits nicely with the origin story of the tower being all machines and plants (you would need to seed an artificial megastructure with flora using machine automation before introducing fauna). Plus we know SIU likes his sci-fi and maybe it's just purely my feelings but I get the sense that SIU would have a real coherent in universe explanations for the existence and nature of the tower rather than a something more philosophical or metaphorical.

[@orenben-david1530]

I believe that the tower is a wish granting test because if you want money, power, status, immortality you will find it on the way up, and little by little your dreams will be crash even making most of the people forget why they are climbing and start helping others achieve their dreams we can see this in the groups that most of the time the leader dreams is the one that the group are after. Do we find everything you can ever want on the way up and in the top there will be a wish device for one wish.

[@Hlbb4]

I like the underground theory and think it’s pretty likely. Cha is like my favorite character and I’m waiting for his true history be revealed cause I know it’s brings the origins or true purpose of the tower.

[@Remorsefulz]

What makes this even better is Joe posted a video on the same day a tower of god chapter comes out 🔥

[@beagle522]

When you mentioned an upside down tower - i thought you were gonna say the tower is underground and the top of the tower would be exiting to the surface. Would make sense with the start of the story with bam underground in some way

[@URandom_catalyst]

Thank you, Dr.Bonehead, for the updates for TOG reviews and theories.💯 I enjoy the different thoughts of comparative perspective/literature shared through your videos. Helps me understand SIU's masterpiece more. Keep it up!

[@boredfangerrude]

For a long time, I've had this idea of the underworld in Tower of God could be the tower upside down so seeing a theory with the tower being upside down is kind of surreal to me.

[@aarav7851]

It could also be that it's both underground and upside down sorta like an anchor in the ocean since shinsu is like water, maybe they're actually climbing away from their destination, what if after 135th floor you just go back to floor 1 and a giant gate opens up there and everyone gets out If this exists in talse Uzer story then maybe it's like an incubator for gods and the irregulars are chosen by the tower to become a god for the outside world but none of them were able to succeed so phantaminum who became the axis of the tower at some point along the story decided to speed up the process using Urek and Bam

[@angad1290]

Dr Bonehead in TOG new world, there is lore on S tier weapons which seems like diary entries by Po Bidau or someone else with power. I think you should check it out,

[@Poppyrae]

You should do how close is bam to being a true slayer. With his power level he seems close and his rel has skyrocketed since he beat the ranker and nest

[@Complex_assault]

This would also explain why they say "there is no sky," and everything you see is just a replica. They would be above the clouds and atmosphere, where they can't actually see it.

[@theBhavMan]

Alright this is unrelated but GOD DAYUM does the area zero theme just perfectly fit the vibe of TOG lol. Love the theory vids, and I actually think that you might be onto something

[@luisagra1829]

Well I did see all those references besides cha and his attack. But I never rly connected them that way. Makes so much sense actually

[@TripleM24]

The whole isekai debate coming back up is hilarious. It always reminds me of Naruto vs Neji. Naruto disagreed with Neji about destiny only for him to turn out to be the child of prophecy and the 4th hokage's son. I just find it funny that Neji was always right but it never got acknowledged.

[@pyrexnemo]

Lol dang i never thought about that

[@Nawidooo1]

Yo great video and super funny that you used one of my renderings as a thumbnail. Big fan of the channel btw❤

[@godlessheathen7200]

~I like the Top-Down Tower theory where if you climb to the top, you leave. But my issue is the inversion. What if when people join (irregulars), they actually are teleported to the Bottom of the Tower but the Tower isn't actually a Tower, it's a massive underground "facility" or dungeon. You are teleported to the bottom and work your way up to the Exit on ground floor. This would make sense since the Tower doesn't have windows or anything to the outside world, the sky is shinsu based or a recreation that's within the cave. The test are there to measure your shinsu because the outside world (ground floor) has a massive density of shinsu whish is why irregulars can just use it. Head administrator manages the "Tower" from the bottom, kind of like the Devil being thought to be at the bottom of Hell. I like the purgatory theory as it adds up to this.

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

before i watch the video, i'm thinking its the Tower of Babil before it got destroyed, with the 135th floor being bams cave from chapter 1, as an analogy of platos cave The 10 family heads once challenged God and lost. Bam is like "the one" from the matrix, born from an angel (mother) and devil (father) Once Bam reaches the top, he will have to fight God to allow the tower and its inhabitants to exist.

[@GedeAlfitrahPlay]

Dude, you worth to subscribe. I've literally watched only your 3 videos, i'm going to subscribe!.

[@raysevere5417]

I think the tower is a place in a bigger world. Mazino wants to leave. He knows there is a bigger world out there. He KNOWS. Also the tower is a physical place but its magical. It looks smaller on the outside. It can't look 100 plus floors big. Each floor a whole world... nah too big. Thats what I think. The gods outside the tower rule the outside world. The tower is a known thing to the outside world. Maybe there are many towers. Maybe each god owns a tower and controls all of what goes on in the tower

[@Cozad2ll2]

I love this theory and the video itself. Can't wait for more of the Webtoon and your future videos as well! 😁

[@gatoreyd6510]

Man do I Freaking LOVE THEORY VIDEOS!!!! I've gotten pretty out of touch lately but I think I'm going to start a re-read of TOG right about now!

[@fredericclements7687]

Amazing vid! also i noticed on headons clothes in that one photo the buttons are arranged like a cross lol sort of like the one in bams cave

[@jamesklee]

Early webtoon translations gave Rachel's name as "Lahel," which is how Koreans pronounce the biblical "Rachel," so any Korean-speaking Christian got a VERY early indication SIU's story probably involved biblical motifs. I'm a big fan of the purgatory idea for the Tower.

[@6ixthpatheditz400]

Idk if this is relevant, but the Tower of Babel was built so that if God flooded the world again they would be safe. God made a promise not to flood the world again but the ppl didn’t trust him so he knocked down the tower. Shinsu is water so maybe that has a correlation.

[@traviswilliams502]

The Tower of Babel was made because the people wanted to reach heaven and be next to God.

[@mjprodzbyk9220]

Yh that too but it was blasphemous act.

[@Liam-wm8uh]

I like the thought of the tower actually being underground making it more like a dungeon but can't be considered one as you climb and are not descending. This way alot of the last theory applys but instead of reaching the bottom it's still reaching for the highest floors

[@evanmiller4502]

the nier ost you used in the video is so perfect for tower of god

[@pototokayman]

Great Theory, I'm a believer now!

[@trythis2006]

i thought about this also a lot and i think too that you will get actually outside and imagine what kind of beings would be outside, if this was some kind of test and arleen also made a deal with a certain god outside of the tower where she saw stars, i think it makes sense but who created these towers? axis? if so, how did the outside world create axis to make towers in the first place? is it a magic place? whatever it might be, i think having an actual outside makes a lot of sense. really like your theory, also about zahard, you could be onto something, i know how accurate you are with this stuff, its sometimes scary how you predict shit.

[@nagixbachira]

Okay, crazy talk now I am probably just stupid but hear me out. This theory could be true but I think it's not for the reason that at the start of the story when Yuri enters the 1st floor to meet with Baam she comes from the top. We know there where stairs surrounding her and stuff and you could clearly tell she was in a spot higher than the first floor and the stairs have to lead to some place how else would rankers you know travel between floors except for warping. So, this would negate the tower being an upside-down thing. Again maybe I am missing something so sorry for that.

[@demahomcoby3551]

Completely valid take

[@marshallmearns8770]

Also explains why rachel dreams to see the real stars

[@ccjesper]

I think Zahard has to be the Jesus figure, he was the one with the twelve disciples, not Baam, V was clearly Judas, Zahard not being able to have children of his own due to his potent blood, I think Zahard is what happens when Jesus goes bad

[@YoBamboofighter1]

been waiting for some new tog lore!!! thanks man

[@JSendero]

Another little hint about this theory is that, in reference to your last video; headon playing the role of God matches up with his character. He admires Bam for his selflessness, and while never giving him an answer, enables him to find those answers on his own. Additionally, he was disgusted by Rachel’s desire to be a star and knew her heart. The same way God detests self worship.

[@World_Oct2023]

Your theory is what I was thinking but it’s just a vast ocean and they’re all underneath the water and when you reach the top you get to the actual surface where land is.

[@EKunzman]

How shinsu gets denser as you move "up" the tower, also makes more sense as it's likened to water, would get more dense the further down you go

[@erielmaestro7]

Arlene "Grace" fits her. She was graced to leave. Bam being called Messiah, the 25th night. It all fits.

[@GedeAlfitrahPlay]

Maybe this tower is in under water. Not upside down, it's just normal. People maybe start to climb it from the bottom of the ocean trying to reach the surface. Since all the administrator are fishes. And in 1st Ep , Bam lived in the cave. Maybe that cave was in bottom of ocean. My english is very suck, but you got the point 😂

[@carlpichette]

Wow, didnt know what I was getting into when I started watching. Loved it

[@Poppyrae]

Pleasseee do more theory videos I love your content 😭😭

[@ryven86]

This theory is on par with "what if the real top floor was the friends they made along the way?"

[@milyoung132]

What if it's a spaceship traveling somewhere from earth. That's where the concept of a sky exists but when your outside now you have to be underground cause it was parked on earth then it was launched,

[@soralazammoa1770]

Now I'm curious to see what they are gonna do when they leave the tower.

[@captain8480]

Damn this video gave me chills, when you started naming all the similarities to christianity... When you talked about the first man and how the tower could be a punishment (tower of babel similarity) it blew my mind, it would be soooo dark if the tower isnt just a bunch of test to try to get an axis or a new god like theories we've seen, it feels much more like a prison and less like a choice... I have a question: What is the music you used at the beginning of the video, right after the sponsor??? I am addicted to it but cant find it 😅😂

[@Scratch750]

I can't remember where I heard this but I remember someone saying something about the tower being a flower.

[@darkfinitynabil4412]

I think god of tower of god multiverse created many asix or some irregular human turn into axis aka there true aweakning irregular power . Then those axis goes to war aka who was most powerful axis of all irregular . Some of the axis created many things one of them was tower , administrator and shinshu and some of created artificial life or other beings like eneryu and some can reborn irregular aka like bam . Just reminded phantamanium was one of the 5 strongest axis in tale user story . That's mean weakest axis can defeat stronger axis or some unknown legendary axis stronger than those axis .

[@Leo-db4sl]

The theory makes much more sense when you look at it from the perspective of the density and pressure But as we have seen, rankers are allowed to go up and down floors as they please, and we somehow see yuri go down when she was trying to go to a higher floor I'll invite you into another theory: the tower is a sentient non-euclidian space

[@tpsspace7397]

The name itself Tower Of “God” is it’s own reference

[@lordsnia2152]

*SIU loves his plot twists* who doesn't Joe ? solid theory, kinda scary tho; considering if it's true Jahad is really continuing punishment of others for his own fun.

[@matwix_]

Bro I was flabbergasted by your theory. It gave me chills.

[@josematos4615]

Super excited for this vid.

[@KaiUndMoritz]

I got so hype when you got to bam being jesus. As hyped as you were, because it makes sense.

[@Hibye54321]

I've wondered since the beginning why bam's name has the 25th in it and idk if I'm correct but he also seems to be the only person so far with a number in his name. Also what does the 25th represent?

[@quanti5]

Well, I'm pretty sure the 25th night has something to do with Jesus. Bam is probably Jesus with the whole dying and resurrecting thing happening at the start of his life instead of at the end of it.

[@jabiraidan]

What i got from the story is the fact there seems to be a mix of magic and technology suggests the tower was built by a civilisation, think tower of babel. This tower, was designed to train warriors, releasing only those worthy. The water aspect is ibspired by chinese mythology where mana flows through water, so the tower is literally in the ocean. When you reach the top you see sky alright, but you're on an oil rig no longer manned because thw war these soldiers were training for was long ended.

[@Vex_gamin]

Well you are quite wrong on the part that baam reflected Jesus Baam was born in the inside but his creators were from the outside Same was with jesus he wasnt god he was created by god for a purpose again same as baam so you are conveying that theory that jesus is god

[@rudy_blitz]

Maybe the reason why theirs more shinsu as you go up the tower is because it get closer to the sky where their is more air